youre given a full suit of armor, do you think you can beat a bear using only your hands?
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youre given a full suit of armor, do you think you can beat a bear using only your hands?
Do I at least get a lance with the armor?
I guess it depends how muscular you are. Some guys could probably strangle a bear inside plate armor.
Naked rock bangers killed boss level cave bears that make modern grizzlies look like chihuahas using only fire hardened pointy sticks. I don't know that a modern could kill a bear but the bear would have 0 chance of killing a reasonably fit xerson in full battle dress.
>Naked rock bangers killed boss level cave bears that make modern grizzlies look like chihuahas using only fire hardened pointy sticks.
Some portion of the time. More than half the time they either got killed or just scared them away.
Source?
Nobody knows what plate armor vs a bear would look like because it hasn't been tried, but its unlikely that the bear could cause much damage. Plate armor isn't constructed like a trashcan or other pieces of random metal objects. Its true that bears break into different hard objects and things like cars, but thats usually by prying open the door or breaking glass. Even blunt weapons designed to concentrate impact doesn't necessarily damage plate especially if its high quality.
>but it would just send him flying into the moon or crush him doe
Theoretically the bear could cause damage if its putting itself on top and pounding its full weight down on him repeatedly, but people in armor don't lie down or act carefully in a fight. Bears don't generally "punch" things either, they swipe with their claws and gnaw at you when you're on the ground. There's no guarantee that a bear is going to be able to find an opening, or try to keep the armoured man down if it doesn't know what its dealing with. There is a good possibility you will be very exhausted wrestling with a bear, especially if you get trapped under its weight too much. The bear being able to bite through depends on where on the armor its biting and the specific armor being worn. The real issue here though, is that the man is very unlikely to do any damage as well with just his armored fists. Maybe poke the eyes out? The more likely scenario is that the bear just gets tired of you and leaves unharmed.
>things like cars, but thats usually by prying open the door
thats because people think cars are made from steel, theyre not anymore, cars made after the 70s have the panels made of aluminum, you can kick a dent into that
The bear would just pin you down with the force if a bulldozer
Can I seduce the bear?
Not sure if you're trolling or not but 2mm(at most) of steel will not protect you from the blunt force trauma of getting swiped by a 600lbs bear. One hit to the head and you're done.
If he knock you to the ground you'll get crushed, maybe he'll lose interest at that point.
yeah this webbum basically BTFOs any argument for the human winning. if they wanted to, a bear could you in one swipe and you wouldn't even know what had happened
It's either trolls, bots, or pure contrarians. I refuse to believe people actually think they could take a bear. Your only excuse for thinking that is if you're 12.
I would like to assert that I am NOT 12 and that I am, in fact, much older than that
Grizzly's definitely a no go. An average sized black bear is perfectly doable but they can get massive
Black bears are still bears. It's like arguing a crocodile is easy to wrestle since it's not a saltwater one.
They're also nowhere as colossal and persistently aggressive as grizzlies. That's why they say if it's black fight back
They also say never come between a bear and their cubs or to slap a black bear on the ass with a GoPro. Less aggressive doesn't mean incapable of killing.
it does mean it's likelier to give up in a random encounter, especially if it's not particularly hungry. the OP says "beat" and i assume making it go away counts as a win. it's definitely not unheard of and the plate armor would likely prevent serious injury
Why did you say this goofy ass Joe Rogan shit like "if it's black fight back" isn't a thing?
>He doesn't know
Is this a play fight? Holy shit
Bears training camp
>Ctrl+F "Troy Hurtubise"
>Ctrl+F "Project Grizzly"
>Ctrl+F "Bear Proof Suit"
>0 Results
It appears none of you kids are capable of basic research:
IF I had a knife or something sharp maybe.
No fricking chance with just fists though only if I can shove my fist in the bears throat
>beat a bear
i could beat a bear at chess
Hell nah I can't beat a bear
I think it definitely would help but as people in this thread have pointed out the weight and strength of the bear is gonna make it a hard fight no matter what.
I also want to point out that if the bear is able to rip any part of the armor off you’re in big trouble.
Which is why you need pic related.
Now the bear can’t get purchase on you and any attempts to just use blunt force trauma will hurt the bear too.
Could a bear defeat Leviathan 1v1? What if the bear wore armor?
I need this. I fricking HATE when bears get purchase on me.
of course not the frick? Although the armour prevents being ripped apart it does not protect against blunt trauma. Your bones will shatter and your organs will be mush.
Frick no
Would a bear give up and decide it's not worth it?
Would be pretty confident I could annihilate a black bear, absolutely demolish it like a drunk driver fleeing police officers going off road and running straight over it, not sure about a grizzly though.
The bear just bludgeons you to death. Plate armor is tough to pierce, but any energy that fails to deform it is transfered straight to your body anyways. Concussive force OP.
no, it gets absorbed and defused across the entire surface of the armor, then the left over energy is absorbed into the padded jacket underneath, and if theres anything left it gets transferred into you
>youre given a full suit of armor, do you think you can beat a bear using only your hands?
No but feel free to prove me wrong by live streaming a demonstration.
Hardly. While the bear won't likely be able to tear and pierce through the metal plates, the concussive force of a paw swipe or the mere pressure of his body on yours will most likely severely injure/kill you.
Meanwhile you have virtually no weapons to strike.
Acceleration could become a real problem if a big fricker hits you in the head with a nice swing.
The same way a ton of armor wouldn't actually save you from a fall of decent height or a high speed car collision. Brain goes mush.
This is actually something that like 98% of you guys do not understand.
Quick acceleration or the opposite of it, a quick stop, is something that will frick your brain up seriously, knock you out, and get you killed. You can wear 20 tons of armour, a 20m feet drop will kill you.
No, the bear will smash you on the floor and crush you in the armor.
shove gauntlet down its throat and choke it to death. probably won't even lose the arm
Won't the bear be able to tear your arm off?
No there's some little leather belts keeping them fastened to your body. No way a bear could strap a 3 cm wide strap of leather or the little buckle holding it.
There are 2 recorded case of unarmored, empty-handed men killing Grizzli bears. So my guess is that the full suit of armor wouldn't hurt much, maybe you get your chances from 0.00001 to 0.1, I don't know, but I ain't willing to bet I'm as badass as the 2 known men in history to have managed to choke a Grizzli (one with his teeth), armor or no armor.
>https://metro.co.uk/2013/05/27/shepherd-kills-brown-bear-with-his-bare-hands-after-squeezing-its-throat-3810110/
>https://mycountry955.com/the-wyoming-man-who-killed-a-grizzly-bear-with-his-hands-and-teeth/
my odds are low but never zero. if it's a black bear hell yeah i could reliably beat it if i have plate armor.
yas if i have bear hands
I have seen one peel open my metal garbage can.
People actually believe it will sit there pounding away at metal. A bear would probe the armor, peeling into a weak spot and rip whatever flesh it gets its mouth around. It would be a slow painful death.
Why are you assuming someone in a suit of armor is just going to lay down and wait for death?
What else are you going to do? Dark souls roll away from the swipes and wait for a giant glowing weak spot to pop up?
How about not just lay there passively while the bear tries to perform cpr?
I made a RPG game like that for free
tinyurl: KoalaRPGgoogleV
bears CPR to get break ribs and bones, you'd be paste in 5 minutes
all a bear has to do to defeat muh bulletproof full plate armor is the same shit they do to crack open bear-resistant trash cans in the wild
no amount of medieval europe/tokugawa shogunate larping will save you from a 360 kilogram bear pushing its entire weight into your ribcage like a steroid-abusing paramedic
A bin made of plastic is not the same as a suit of armor.
if you weren't a purposefully disingenuous homosexual you'd know that that literally does not matter, 360 kilos (800 pounds) of blunt force trauma repeatedly directed into your chest will kill you in full plate mail, shattered ribs and internal bleeding galore, because it does not offer adequate protection against PRESSURE, something which
pointed out to you but you immediately disregarded because you know full fricking well you're completely in the wrong.
but no, you're right. the bin of plastic is actually a better option than the suit of armor in this niche unlikely scenario, thank you for enlightening me.
Show me a bear opening a tin can with pressure moron.
What the frick is a pressure moron? You mean a pressure moronant? Why would a bear have a pressure moronant let alone know how to use it?
unironically go back
>b-but that's PLASHTICK
>show me a bear opening something SMALLER and PRESSURIZED that is also METAL
>hahah checkmayte
Ok moron.
Megalomaniacs who think they can defeat a bear with armor alone seriously deserve to end up like that.
They deserve to die under the weight of a bear's paws + their metal chestplate while their organs burst out of their anus.
Learned helplessness: the post.
More like survival instinct
>BREATHE DAMN YOU, BREATHE!
Are you people forgetting that one of the best strats for killing some homosexual knight was to just crumple his armor inward with a blunt weapon?
When that shit dents its going to essentially crush you inside your own armor.
That's what would happen when the bear does this
And if you say
>nuh uh, metal to strong
You have never seen plate before, these guys weren't wearing 1" thick orbs of steel around their entire bodies, they were designed to be worn and movable. Given the right pressure in the right places, that shit would get crushed like a soda can.
what kind of bear?
No, for the same reason blunt weapons are good against plate. Unless you're wearing a nice thick gambeson underneath you're screwed.
No they arent, blunt force only work if youre hitting them in the head, otherwise youre basically invulnerable, ironically blunt force works better against soft body armor like gamebson or mail.
of course
WTF IS THAT REAL??
boy you're dumb
It is. Are you dumb? Its obvious.
Those are obviously actors anon, look at how they move, a bear can't do those moves without going to acting school first
Fluffy
whats the point of these threads, the answer is always no (yes)
>as a species whoose specialty is taking random crap on the floor and morphing into a depiction of myself grabbing an animal persons boobies
>no, i cant no-items-fox-only a creature specialised to either hunt or fend off shitters like me
>yes, i can theoretically pull some wacky strat outta my ass to fundamentally undermine my opponents battleplan, ie cheat and use hax
why not? I'll use my hands to grab the nearest and largest firearm my hands can hold
The bear just has to push you down and sit on your face haha
Bears do this kind of pushing down thing with their front legs when they're trying to break something. So I imagine they'd probably cave in the chest plate in the process and that would pretty much stop your ability to take full breaths. From there it really has all the time it needs before it probably becomes disinterested and leaves.
Beat as in make it go away? Sure, bear would take one look at me and go "yeah I'm not messing with this dunce". Beat as in kill it/do more damage to it than it does to me? No fricking way.
Anyone who thinks they can hand-to-hand a bear should go jump off a 15 foot ledge. Every paw swipe is going to hurt about that much, and armor won't do shit about it.
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What if it's a female sun bear and someone, while armoured, punches her throat?
Full plate armor could withstand bullets. We even have an account of Tokugawa Ieyasu taking off his armor after a battle and realizing he had been shot multiple times when he saw that bullets fell off of it, as he didn't feel anything during the battle. Well made plate can withstand a ton of stuff, a bear is strong but plate armor will absolutely ignore a paw swipe. A charge could pin down an armored man but a paw swipe would do jack shit
>plate armour will ignore a paw swipe
First off those must've been some shitty bullets. Second off no the frick it won't.
A 'paw swipe' might not penetrate the plate but that's not the point. Bears use pressure to open things they want.
Your plate armour will not be able to withstand a bear jumping on it to crack open your rib cage.
And then the bear would do taekwondo, and then the bear would breathe fire, and then
Face it metal has all animals beat. There's a reason bone and horn weapons didn't save the Aztecs from 500 guys with metal breastplates.
>There's a reason bone and horn weapons didn't save the Aztecs from 500 guys with metal breastplates.
Weird European diseases?
Smallpox did not spread thru the entire Aztec empire in the few weeks it took the Spaniards to capture Tenochtitlan. Cope harder.
You'd don't have a sword, gun, horses, a ship or cannons. Just armor and your hands. That bear is going to knock you down with one swipe and I highly doubt (you) could even sit up and get to a standing posistion in a full plate where you can't even bend your abs. The concussive force a bear could hit you with would be enough to kill you in your own suit no matter how thick your coif or gambeson is.
I'd roll.
You don't don't regenerate stamina when you're got all that all that stuff on under your armor you only lose it.
>500 guys
Plus the 10000 locals they hired
OP didn't say you to be by yourself against the bear.
Musket bullets were extremely strong, they don't fragment into shrapnel like modern bullets do but they'd kill any man. Even the shittiest bullet would wreck most stuff, and the example I cited was from the end of Sengoku Japan, the country at that time with the best firearm technology.
Moreover, most armors allow for the wearer to move fully, have you ever seen a real set? Abs bending aren't an issue. At best, the bear will pin you down but if you're wearing full plate it can't do anything more than that.
Do you not understand the concept of impact? Like your brain hitting inside of your own skull? Or like that this animal can basically hit you with the force of two sledge hammers effortlessly?
Do you not understand the concept of armor? Like layers of padding and full harness? Or like that a bear's paws and nails will get ripped to frick on sharp metal edges?
You adding a measly 50-70 lbs of armor and padding to your body does not negate the strength of animal that could throw you with one arm. Even with a modern EOD suit a bear could still kill you just by battering you inside of it. Unless you have comparable mass to bear or the cranial padding of woodpecker it's going to kill you without much contest. If you live it's because it let you.
Anon that measly 50-70 lbs of armor and padding allowed people to slam blunted lances into each other at full charge and fall off of horseback as a form of entertainment.
Still not a bear but maybe you could bore it to death with irrelevant trivia and a tenuous grasp on physics and anatomy.
Thank you for conceding the argument. You can go now.
Jousting armor was far heavier than battlefield armor.
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And battlefield armor was made from far stronger and better shaped steel than the trashcans bears play around with. If you were to be struck in the arm with a bears paw swipe and then a bludgeoning mace made out of steel then the latter will frick you up way more. anytime. That's what armor was made to cope against.
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This is the realistic outcome. It'll wrestle around with the human then ultimately see it as not worth the effort.
theres a reason warhammers and flails in some form or another have always been a popular weapon in combat throughout human history.
you dont have to get through the armor to damage the person inside
They're designed to stop slicing from blades but they're weak to crushing blows and piecing blows like a spike, also at joints
>sharp metal edges
Ah yes like this traditionally authentic European armor
You're a dumb piece of shit.
I own multiple sets of armor and have been hit at by some of my strongest friends with blunt objects. You don't feel a thing, assuming the armor is well made.
Maces and war hammers killed armored men by denting the armor until either the man inside was crushed or the joints seized up, at which point the man inside was helpless and could be killed at their leisure.
Armor heavy enough to withstand casual attacks by a bear would be unmanageably heavy. It would easily knock you down. It would then try to get at you with its claws and teeth. If this failed it would lose interest and leave - you can’t outrun a bear even out of armor, so it could leave any time it wanted. If you got it mad enough it would bludgeon you with its paws and probably injure you armor or not. In any event you’re not going to punch a bear to death in your lumbering metal suit. It’ll just leave if you turn out to pose a threat.
no, just no, hammer worked by hitting people in the head and knocking them down, maces were flanged meaning they could bite and focus all their force into one spot, the most a bear could do is crush your arms and legs with a bite, it swatting you is not going to do much if you just protect your head area
Maces were flanged to crease amor, which could make is progressively harder to move inside it. Yeah, you could stun someone by whacking them in the head, but you could also disable them by damaging their armor. And I don’t think you realize just how big and strong bears get. Plate armor is only going to provide so much protection if one starts thumping you with its twenty-pound forepaws.
it being a twenty pound paw doesnt mean anything and if anything is worse because the force is spread out across a wider area, which is what armor is good against, which is why you just need to protect your head from the swipes and the bite is the worse thing to deal with
Beargays don't understand that bears are made out of pliable flesh. The comparisons to maces and hammers are laughable because maces and hammers are made of rigid metal. The hardest parts of a bear paw are bone and claw and I think steel beats both of those.
Fall into water from 100 metres up. What's the problem? It's a liquid lol.
Not even remotely close to the forces being discussed. Why can't animalgays just accept you lost? I bet you think le cassowary could puncture armor too
>was from the end of Sengoku Japan, the country at that time with the best firearm technology
they had passable clones of already outdated European firearms, what the frick are you talking about?
You’re thinking of Maximillian plate, which was very heavy and could usually stop early musket balls. That didn’t last. As guns got better, it became impossible to wear enough armor to stop them. You will notice an absence of plate armor on modern battlefields. High tech materials have partly replaced metal but they still don’t stop every bullet.
As for the bear, it depends how big it is. 300 pound black bear? Maybe. 800 pound grizzly? It would kill you right through the armor. They are very, very strong and armor isn’t built to stop a 20 pound paw swung by an enormous bear.
A plate carrier doesn't count? I'm kidding, good post. And yeah, a plate carrier is at it's best when paired with a good medivac system.
>a bear is strong but plate armor will absolutely ignore a paw swipe
It's not going to just swipe at you like a videogame boss it's going to push you to the ground and crush you inside your armor
The bear is just gonna eat you ass first
Don't threaten me with a good time.
That bear would open you up like a can of sardines. That or open the visor and claw your brains out.
bears are a lot dumber than you think
Bears are alot stronger than you think
No they aren't.
Only because you don't think.
Bears are slow, dumb and incapable of delivering apex slaying bites. The fat frick would get winded like a dota player walking up the basement stairs to grab a fanta.
As a dota player currently thirsty for a fanta I can confirm this
Yes.
The claws would push you down and give you some dents but you can tank it until it gets tired. Then start beating the shit out of it.
Frick it, give the armor some spikes too. Easier to kill and tank the bear.
okay, now what about an elephant?
What can an elephant actually do though? If you hug its hind legs it can't reach you with its truck, and its too sluggish to get away while you repeatedly pommel it from behind. If you stand to the side of its hind legs then it won't even be able to hit you with a back kick. If it raises its leg to perform a stomp then all you have to do is back off until it finishes its slam, then move back in to continue punching.
>get away while you repeatedly pommel it from behind
kinky
I'll paint the armor gray so that the elephant thinks I'm a mouse
Yes: just jam your arm as far as you can inside its ass until it suffocates
You die inside that armor.
Yes
Yes easily, just let the bear maul you until it runs out of stamina, then punch until its skull shatters
What happens if YOU run out of stamina?
what kind of moronic ass question is this
pussies
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