Why do westerners make a huge deal about eating dogs but have no problem eating pigs? Pigs are smarter than dogs, and the dogs that are eaten are raised as livestock, not companionship, similar to pigs. Seems kinda hypocritical to me.
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Should it be banned? I wouldn't say hypocritical unless someone uses the "my feelings" or moral arguments. Practical reasons I can understand. Like I understand why it sucks to eat a pet animal but those are just emotions. Other anons said it is inefficient and there are plenty of other livestock to use so I see that as a good reason, but why make a law against dog meat? One reason I can think of is to prevent a factory line of dog meat and to just keep using the factory line of normal livestock. Also it isn't the norm to eat horse, but it isn't illegal either. Is it for health and food safety?
Isn't eating carnivore meat bad for you? Isn't it also less nutritious because of how energy dissipates the higher you go up the food chain?
There is literally no argument other than boohoo my feelings.
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He also forgot to mention raising dogs as food is more dangerous than raising pigs, and that dogs are better escape artists meaning their enclosures need to be more expensive and complex
i'm just saying that breeding dogs to eat CURRENTLY is inefficient.
it's not like there's a breed of dogs bred specifically to rapidly grow like hogs for meat.
There is literally no argument for any morals besides "boohoo my feelings" or "boohoo my religion" and yet if you break into my house and say "there's nothing wrong with this, your feelings are just hurt, prove it materially homosexual this is actually natural selection and in some cultures this is ok..." you get ventilated regardless. that's my feelings - you die now.
my culture is the right one. people who do not follow it are idiots. inferior. if they were smart, and dare I say, fully human rather than degenerate apes, they would be following my culture, the correct one. people who do not follow my culture live in filth and corruption and whenever the tenets of my culture are abandoned nations crumble.
we like dogs. we eat cows.
fricking deal with it.
t. right wing white anglo-saxon protestant.
It's also "boohoo my feelings" to go "B-BUT WHAT ABOUT PIGS," so take your pick.
Or you could be one of those homosexuals that goes "heh, what if I want to eat dogs and pigs," but then I wouldn't put it past you to be a cannibal and therefore lacking the privilege of deserving life.
Omnivorous herd animals and carnivorous pack animals have very different psychologies. Dogs do not do well when stuffed in small spaces in large numbers, while pigs acclimate well, meaning it’s crueler to dogs than pigs. Carnivorous animals are also far more likely to carry parasites and are less efficient food items - needing to be fed meat to produce meat. I think a big part of it is just that dogs are more psychologically similar to humans, are more emotionally and facially expressive thanks to breeding, and just because of our cultural attachment to them.
I don’t deny the hypocrisy though.
in some alternate universe, when cavemen met wolves, imagine if they decided that wolves taste good and decided to domesticate them exclusively for meat.
we could've had the chicken "broiler" version of dogs right now.
You're generally right, and these countries aren't dealing with the factory farming phenomenon that plagues the US, China, and other nations, but
>unless the people keeping them are abusing them of course.
The problem with that is the same as it is in many other third world countries in these areas: nobody is going to report it if it happens. On top of that, some of these countries are toward the bottom of the list when it comes to food security on top of dealing with other issues such as the availability of clean water, and as such may not even have much of a livestock industry worth talking about to begin with. So when I see something like "India, Tanzania, Kenya, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Niger and the Philippines are in the top 10 in Animal Welfare," I would read that with a load of salt unless someone has done comprehensive research on any of these countries and can truly say these countries are ethical.
Basically. It’s the same problem with crime in general in those countries. The actual statistics are likely *way* higher, they just go unnoticed because no one reports or investigates them, Ogweno and his five goats aren’t factory workers but I bet he isn’t running off to his local police if someone poisons them or they die from grain overload
>in the west and eastern asia specifically.
Where else outside of those places are they kept in good conditions?
Because dogs were bred for thousands of years to be the perfect human companion, if you eat a dog or do anything bad to one outside of self-defense you're a horrible person, no ifs or buts.
Because pigs are taken care of and 3rd world stickmen who raise dogs to eat treat them like hell on earth.
how come some people are having so much difficulty grasping basic human sentiment? even putting that aside, do you think pigs and dogs got domesticated as they did for literally no reason?
Because for some reason, people seem to think human subjectivity is bad and we should apply standards to everything equally, and then proceed to react in the most subjective manner to arguments and topics.
>why do we eat fat useless leftover eating animals that were bred to be food and keep carnivore animals as pets that we specifically bred to be helpful and more human like??!!???
youre actually moronic if you eat dogs or are ok with it. sorry not sorry. no matter how many times this pops up. eating dogs is fricked up because they are bred to be like people. eating a wolf? just as useless/little meat but at least you didnt breed that to act like a human toddler and then made the decision to eat it for literally no reason other than being edgy.
all types of meat should eventually be banned for consumption and replaced with lab grown meat.
hello schwabman
based
youd have an easier time building a perpetual motion machine, because thats the only way lab meat becomes viable
What are they gonna do about the farmers releasing 3mil+ semi-feral dogs into the streets in protest?
I would call the bluff if it were in a western country, but knowing Asians, they will 100% back up their threat.
Dog meat sources are sketchy. There will be a bunch of random breeds crowded in small cages and be fed a bunch of miscellaneous garbage instead of having a consistent healthy diet that makes the meat taste better. I know Korea has a dog breed specifically made for meat but it's poverty food in other parts of Asia.
You people are moronic. Dogs are more useful alive. Horses are more useful alive. Cats are more useful alive. You don't butcher and eat dairy cows because guess what THEY'RE MORE USEFUL ALIVE. Pigs and beef cattle are more useful dead. It's really quite simple, I don't know why you malnourished vegan homosexuals have a problem understanding it.
Pigs will eat vegans.
PIGS ARE HARAM
Literally just moral/culture reasons. Dogs are meant to be our hunting partners/companions, not meat. Chickens and cows are dumb prey animals bred to be fat food sources. Same reason it’s a faux paux to rape kids, it just is (and should be).
Pigs are not smarter than dogs lmao
>BUT SOIENCE SAID
SOIENCE said rats are smarter than cats because they’re easier to experiment on.
"science" is not a monolithic entity you fricking cretin
Tell that to the morons that think pigs are smarter than dogs because pigs raised to be relatively self sufficient did something more readily than mindbroken hounds
Anyone who has had both will tell you sheepdogs and GSDs are much smarter especially if you let them live independently like a farm animal. Not just obedience, but problem solving and grudge holding.
Therein lies the problem with people who value life based on intelligence rankings
>pige unplig vacuums doe!!!
https://www.newsflare.com/video/496765/moose-the-german-shepherd-dog-gets-fed-up-with-noisy-vacuum-and-unplugs-it
Average hound/mastiff has 300,000,000 fewer cortical neurons than a gsd/mal/collie/etc. there is an unrecognized form of canine moronation out and about, unrecogized because of the intelligence=obedience belief and dumb dogs still obey.
There are massive iq gaps in some species, and full scale iq doesn't even exist for animals. They have limited brain matter and specialize in some cognitive skills but not others. How are you supposed to turn that into a value system?
YOU CAN NOT
Utility, on the other hand - the dog converts lots of food into little food if you eat it or food into safety from robbers, rats, and lost livestock if you use it. Now you see why eating dog is for primitive morons.
By allah even the most useless dog still guards the home, but every dog should hunt pests or you are abusing your animals by not letting them live naturally.
Pigs taste great and have a high protein/fat yield, dogs nope
There are two directions to take this question in:
Imagine a person. His name is Dave. Dave purchases a potted cactus to spice up his living room and some cabbages to to cook and eat at home. Is he a hypocrite for putting one species of plant in his mouth and not the other?
Alternatively, imagine a person named Kiara. She was raised as a devout Hindu - specifically a sect that teaches that cows are sacred animals and slaughter is disrespected. And she experiences culture shock when she moves to the US where beef is regularly consumed. Is she right to force her different religious and cultural beliefs on to other people?
>She was raised as a devout Hindu - specifically a sect that teaches that cows are sacred animals and slaughter is disrespected.
HE WORSHIPS DOGS AND REPTILES! HE BLACKENS HIS EYES WITH SOOT LIKE A PROSTITUTE! HE DANCES AND PLAYS THE CYMBALS IN VILE NILOTIC RITES!
Hinduism is satanism and preaching satanism is always wrong
You worship a schizophrenic brown rabbi born to an adulteress.
No one said they were christian, only against satan, which hinduism clearly involves. There is doubtlessly a singular supreme god, and doubtlessly at least one evil, which you may call satan, or the demiurge, or whatever. And hinduism doubtlessly venerates at least one evil, if not hundreds of them.
Look at this, this is the land leprosy and canine rabies evolved in. Look at this, look at all the deformities, all the disasters, and tell me if they are friends with god rather than living in a constant biblical apocalypse for enthusiastically worshiping demons as "aspects of god". Hinduism even directly caused the indian vulture crisis, which caused an explosion in the feral dog population, and brought rabies deaths up by tens of thousands. Most rabies deaths occur in muslim and hindu countries. Curious? What kind of great and kind religion directly causes the deaths of its own followers for literally nothing, not even a holy war, but just - caring about cows? No god would allow that. Unless he hated them. Generally most rabies deaths occur in countries that are muslim, hindu, or otherwise pagan/godless. China included! Rabies is a problem in great and advanced china. Or maybe, there are no gods and hindus, atheists, and muslims are just fricking moronic and it just so happens that christians are also more intelligent and orderly.
>But a wolf?
Literally the same as a dog with less nervousness/fear towards new experiences. Sorry. Humans and canines are inherently similar. Wolves are very friendly and loving with their owners, and only their owners, never strangers.
High empathy people (aryans) allowed wolves to self domesticate because they thought they were cute. Low empathy people (mongol mutt han) just eat them.
they're just dirty fricks you schizo
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Pigs are icons of sin in basically every culture worth mentioning and some people don't even want to eat them specifically because they are revolting animals
Dogs are much nicer to live with as long as you're smart and high time preference
Any aspect of intelligence they have over a dog is wasted because they will even eat their own children and do nothing for anyone but themselves. But I dont believe they are smarter than dogs in general for a minute. Just smarter than moronic breeds like labs and coonhounds. A border collie is way smarter than a pig.
>Hindu
Not a culture worth mentioning
Filthy and moronic people
>Pigs are icons of sin in basically every culture worth mentioning
Like? I can only think of the abrahamic religions
Yes, it's hypocritical.
>Pigs are smarter than dogs
Livestock is smarter than human newborns, should we eat newborns?
>should we eat newborns?
Why not? We eat pigs.
I'm glad to be vegetarian.
Still legal in canada lmao
Dogs are cute, pigs aren't.
Simple as that.
Next time PLEASE make a better thread, itoddler.
>Pigs aren't cute
>Dogs are cute, pigs aren't.
Terrible and wrong opinion
>Pigs are cute, dogs aren't
FTFY
You have a preference for things that look like yourself huh
>Why do westerners make a huge deal about eating dogs but have no problem eating pigs?
Because the entire purpose of domestic pigs is food (with minor dabblings in companionship, however that remains a rare phenomenon), while dogs serve multiple roles in human society.
>Pigs are smarter than dogs
And that intelligence generally manifests in different ways than it does with dogs. Dogs also have an innate psychological response to humans that no other animal, not even pigs, demonstrates.
>and the dogs that are eaten are raised as livestock, not companionship, similar to pigs.
First of all, wrong. There is a breed that is raised specifically for meat, but there are also former pets and other breeds that end up on the chopping block.
Secondly, the practice has been uncommon at times throughout Korean history and the practice is dying out in South Korea, probably because the only people who really eat dogs are 70 - 80 year old country bumpkins who also consume lovely delicacies such as child fecal wine.
Thirdly, I would argue the circumstances are different. Pork is treated as a staple meat in Western society alongside poultry and beef (and lamb in some countries). Meanwhile, the popularity of dog meat in Korea has always been in fluctuation and the practice could never truly be described as a primary food market.
>Seems kinda hypocritical to me.
For a vegan's mind, which is incapable of nuanced critical thinking, it may seem that way.
>such as child fecal wine.
this is why the mongols forcibly depopulating most of asia was a good thing
>large chinese population
not surprising
>purpose
unless you're religious this isn't an actual thing
I'm sorry the idea of humans assigning utility to animals like tools or goods offends your sensibilities.
Most people don't think about morality beyond the is-ought fallacy
You apparently don't.
why did korea ban dog meat then? were they held at gunpoint by "westerners"?
Figuratively, yes.
Dog meat has become more and more of a rarity in Korea. Especially with many Koreans owning dogs as pets these days, so it was really Korean society that changed their perception than Western influence really.
Dog/cat meat is also becoming rare in China as well, btw. Not that it ever was very popular.
And why did Koreans start owning dogs?
Just for no reason at all?
Western influence is dramatic globally, from Hollywood to colonial legacy and industrialization.
Mainly because they have a middle class that can afford them now. Lapdogs aren't a Western invention.