Why did humans not domesticate cats but did it with dogs? Too small to cause real damage?
Why did humans not domesticate cats but did it with dogs? Too small to cause real damage?
Why did humans not domesticate cats but did it with dogs? Too small to cause real damage?
Cats were not domesticated, they were designed, that is, housecats are part snake.
>housecats are part snake.
I'll believe it.
why is this thread full of irrationally angry people
I figure it's mostly angry cat people getting emotional, like this dudes schizoid rants
Not all domestications are equal. Horses and camels, for example, are domesticated but neither act like dogs. Cats started out as just predators hanging out around graneries and homes, humans noticed they caught vermin, and so either tolerated them or outright celebrated them. The cats did not give a shit, and were bred pretty much to continue to not give a shit and just keep catching vermin. The end.
Horses are social and one of the most intelligent animals on earth. Camels are also social but not as intelligent, this makes them very easy to domesticate. "Domestic" cats are literally still wild animals, there is zero difference between them and their wild ancestor, the north african wild cat. They behave exactly alike.
OH WOW! Herd animals REMAIN herd animals after domestication! Unbelievable!
>"Domestic" cats are literally still wild animals
t. someone who has never interacted with a wild animal
Here's a wild one that started hanging around humans in namibia.
literally no difference between it and a domestic stray cat
over 6000 years ago they started hanging around humans because our grain attracted rats, they were never domesticated and never will be
>omg the heckin wooferino is exactly like a doggo! tier pet worship posting
cats are domesticated
they have smaller brains
they have smaller bodies
and most concerning is they hybridized with so many wild cats we’re not sure exactly how they used to act.
please refrain from posting “omg wolves are just big huskies heckin wholesome” levels of moronation and like animals for what they are, not for what you would feel cool owning.
I didn't imply any of that shit you posted. Domestic dogs are nothing like wolves, they are completely docile and domesticated, their instincts are gone, their genes are heavily altered.
Domestic cats have smaller brains, yes, but there is literally no difference in their behavior and temperament than that of their ancestor the african wild cat.
>domestic dogs are nothing like wolves
Hypocrite. If you believe this idiocy
>Domestic cats have smaller brains, yes, but there is literally no difference in their behavior and temperament than that of their ancestor the african wild cat.
You must believe that large spitz breeds and wolves are exactly alike... or you are just a fricking moron.
>OMG guise I adopted a pointy eared stray and they suck at obedience DOGS ARE STILL HECKIN WOLVES OK? I saw ONE HECKIN YOUTUBE VIDEO of a wolf acting cute! hoomans will not crush duh nobel wolfie spirit >:3
^you (and it was probably a wolf tainted with dog DNA)
>Domestic cats have smaller brains, yes, but there is literally no difference in their behavior and temperament than that of their ancestor the african wild cat.
>Source: I saw one heckin youtube video of a wild cat acting cute. Muh heckin bastet. Catterino sacred animal.
^also you (and it was probably a "wild" cat tainted with domestic DNA)
Cats are not wild animals. They are thoroughly domesticated and so significantly less aggressive, more tolerant, and more social. They are happier indoors, and unlike their wild ancestors they do best with another cat as a steady companion. Do not confuse yourself because wild/domestic hybrids are fricking everywhere, domestic dogs and cats are not wild animals and even if humans abandon them, they will carry the genetic and physiological markers of domestication for tens of thousands of years.
>words words words
dont care
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>source: cute youtube video
holy reddit. those are kittens which are easily mistaken for domestic cats, because domestication removes the animals ability to fully mature, causing them to act and look more like their young for the entire life. but clearly, a husky or an akita is a wolf as well because there are cute youtube videos of people playing with wolf puppies, rubbing wolf bellies, and cuddling with wolves? a lot of reddit doggays who are just as moronic as you actually think so.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4314262/
https://wildcatconservation.org/wild-cats/africa/african-wildcat/#:~:text=Evidence%20of%20such%20cross%2Dbreeding,areas%20far%20from%20human%20settlements.
https://news.mongabay.com/2023/05/mating-game-survival-of-some-small-wildcats-at-risk-due-to-housecat-hybrids/
can the rest of Wauf please explain why petgays are so prone to this egotistical moronation?
>omg i own a piece of the wild
>my pet is noble and super cool
>basically a wolf/tiger
>le house jaguar
>le couch wolf
holy shit petgays... grow the FRICK up.
More walls of meaningless static and noise that nobody will read.
>feral domestic cats behave exactly like african wild cats, they even take over and destroy entire ecosystems like in australia
>african wild cats in capitivity behave exactly like domestic cats
>meanwhile domestic dogs in the wild: fricking die because they are domesticated and reliant on humans
>meanwhile wolves in captivity: behave like fricking wolves
not even him but
>meanwhile domestic dogs in the wild: behave like fricking wolves, they even take over and destroy entire ecosystems like in australia and india
you are aware that dingoes are not native to australia right anon
and are aware of what's going on in india right now?
>meanwhile wolves in captivity that are reared by humans: behave like dogs
fixed that for you. people have been keeping pet wolves forever, they're just more aggressive dogs that need more space.
the only real difference between a wolf and a dog is less threat processing, some mild neurosis and the duration of their socialization window
coincidentally this is the only real difference between wild and domestic cats, less threat processing, some mild neurosis and the duration of their socialization window
some domestic individuals will be less competent hunters or only stalk things without attacking them, with cats and dogs. the only difference is that with dogs, we separated those morons into their own special ed groups because some forms of moronation are helpful, and with cats we let the intermingle so you have a grab bag of 50 different kinds of special needs animals because nobody really cares if a cat does anything beyond sitting on your lap.
because anon is an incel who worships cats. his ego is tied up in "owning le piece of le wilds" and it makes him feel less like a slave driver/animal abuser if he does not believe his pet was selectively bred to serve him
however, it was. you can abandon a cat without many consequences because they are small, which makes people think cats are wild, but they aren't. you can do the same thing with dogs, chickens, even goats, just turn them loose and pretend they aren't domesticated.
you can get feral dogs and feral cats that behave a little more like wild animals too, because they spend multiple generations without humans
see how short its legs and snout are? that's a domestic cat or a hybrid.
I knew someone with a pet wolf and it was essentially a more nervous siberian husky that was harder to train.
But if you have a pet wild cat and don't socialize and train it well, nothing happens, it just hides under chairs and swipes at ankles.
If you have a pet wolf and don't socialize and train it well, it hides under couches and bites off ankles. The same as a dog that isn't trained and socialized.
It's just harder to raise to behave normally.
>meanwhile domestic dogs in the wild: fricking die because they are domesticated and reliant on humans
I find it funny the cat schizo will say this today and then say “wild dogs are as destructive as feral cats” the next.
He does not care about truth, only hating dogs and worshiping cats.
>holy reddit. those are kittens which are easily mistaken for domestic cats
bro this is a wild one and it looks exactly like a tabby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_XEhm0JAj0
People domesticated cats in Egypt then it fell off then we did it again only about 200 years ago
>Another thread with newbies seething about cats
Lol
>posting facts about why cats were never domesticated
>toxo brain autist feels personally attacked
many such cases
Based
Mad dogcel
>newbie filename
>newbie file format
>reddit video
ishygddt
Cats domesticated humans
Here's the audio version
Nobody really bothered. There's been more attempts at genuinely domesticating them in the past century than there were in thousands of years. Unsurprisingly it's working.
cats are moronic super predators with no social hierarchy or intelligence beyond instinct
in short, they're fricking moronic and impossible to domesticate
Just compare cats to hyenas, a close feliform relative of cats.
>social
>hierarchy
>highly intelligent
A few thousand years of domestication and we'd have small, intelligent, friendly hyenid companions (if you could get over the smell.) This isn't possible with any feline, too dumb, too instinctual.
Imagine if dogs laughed instead of barking
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4685590/
>the number of cortical neurons, neuron packing density, interneuronal distance and axonal conduction velocity—factors that determine general information processing capacity (IPC), as reflected by general intelligence. The highest IPC is found in humans, followed by the great apes, Old World and New World monkeys. The IPC of cetaceans and elephants is much lower because of a thin cortex, low neuron packing density and low axonal conduction velocity. By contrast, corvid and psittacid birds have very small and densely packed pallial neurons and relatively many neurons, which, despite very small brain volumes, might explain their high intelligence.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnana.2017.00118/full
>Carnivorans stand out in that the usual relationship between larger body, larger cortical mass and larger number of cortical neurons only applies to small and medium-sized species, and not beyond dogs: we find that the golden retriever dog has more cortical neurons than the striped hyena, African lion and even brown bear, even though the latter species have up to three times larger cortices than dogs.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dogs-when-you-count-neurons-have-a-lot-more-than-cats/
>A dog with ~429 mil cortical neurons has roughly the same cortex density as a cat
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons#List_of_animal_species_by_forebrain_(cerebrum_or_pallium)_neuron_number
>there are dogs with almost 2x that. ~429 is merely an average for a diverse species
>Golden retriever 627,000,000
>Beagle 844,410,000
>German Shepherd 885,460,000
https://interestingengineering.com/science/modern-dog-brain-bigger-than-wolf-ancestors
>their brains are getting BIGGER
tldr: your dog may be dumber than a cat, if it is a small dog, or a greyhound.
>https://interestingengineering.com/science/modern-dog-brain-bigger-than-wolf-ancestors
MEIN GOTT! No wonder german shepherd b***hes are such a better frick than huskies! They are smart enough to consent!
Cats are demonstrably smarter than dogs as they are actually capable of self-awareness and also exhibit traits that are rare for animals such as pride, something that is completely alien to dogs.
Dogs are slave animals. They look up to us for no reason. Cats look down on us until given a reason not to.
Every single thing in your post is completely made up and you have a newbie filename. You know, for real Wauf users, trolling is a art.
If your idea of bait is regurgitating the ramblings of an atheist with a mental age of 13 try /misc/ on for size because no one is believing that nonsense.
Cats are extremely stupid, they can’t even pass the string test, making them pretty much incapable of judging you, so stop giving them fictional characteristics. What pride tho? The human one or the lion one? The typical house cat displays neither of those. But the dog does exhibit the loyalty trait, which is a real one that comes naturally for them, and hating them for that makes you a jealous catgay. Probably brazilian too.
>t. birdchad
>string test
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/jun/16/psychologist-test-outsmarts-cats
Based. Dogsimps btfo.
Adding your reddit word to my filter. God loves dogs, cats are for satan. Deus vult, trump 2024 MAGA!
>If we know their limits we won't expect too much of them, which in turn is important for their welfare. I am not trying to say cats are stupid, just they are different. We are so anthropomorphic we can't see the world through their eyes."
As always Wauf is ahead of the curve and predicts mainstream culture
By 2030 it will be seen as animal abuse to expect your cat to be anything but a recreational companion animal and having a cat outside of your property or a designated off-leash cat area without a leash will be a crime.
Toxo deaths will plummet. Just like thousands of years ago, people would have miscarriages and blind children from parasites spread by free ranging dogs, and no one cared then, because "dogs belong outside because they are free and need to be free, just pray to god to avoid bad spirits", today's "cats need to be free you frickin...dog sex enthusiast! everyone should just have perfect hygiene and food safety!" will be seen as ridiculous.
>trump 2024 MAGA!
huh, doglover is a fascist c**t - what a surpirse.
I can’t tell if you’re moronic and trolling or just moronic
>The anti cat schizo is talking to himself
Sad
We had a naturally mutualistic relationship, we hoarded food which attracted rodents, and cats figured out we were an easy source of prey so they stuck around, and in turn we left them to their own devices because it was nice not finding rat shit in your grain reserve. Dogs needed to be tamed and bred into more docile beings because wolfs are hierarchical creatures, so there was a genuine benefit to it as it would solve the issues of authority which are inevitable with pack animals. Like you dont want your pet to fight against you to get your hand on the prey you hunted together.
>anime website 😉
PEDOPHILE ALERT! PEDOPHILE ALERT!
cats are the maximum sized feline humans can afford to keep around.
even just a little bigger, they're too dangerous.
dogs are frankenstein creepshows and permanantly fricked in the head. so the size isn't an issuue.
Egyptian royalty kept cheetas as pets without much issue
cheetahs are basically the only social cat with group hierarchy (lions dont count they just tolerate each other at best)
Cheetahs are basically moronic dogs. They even need a slightly less moronic dog (usually a retriever, known for their mix of good obedience and small brains) to teach them how to exist without dying of a panic attack.
If we don’t genetically engineer some horny into them so they breed in captivity that species is probably doomed.
I think he's returning to his site just because you had a gamer moment about the anime website you're posting on, resident. He’ll take your advice and go back to r/chonkers.
I don't think he's going to visit your site just because you had a melty about the cat website you're posting on, tourist. Take your own advice and go back to r/dogelore.
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>reddit spacing
>all caps strawman greentext
Don't care.
Didn't read.
Get a new hobby.
only newbies say reddit spacing and care about (you)s. cats are lap warmer parasites, not useful animals. there's a reason we made them into funny maymays.
Cat website newbie. You will never belong here.
I have been here longer than you have been alive
Cat worship is not part of Wauf. We make fun of cats here.
What the frick is this reddit schizo babble? Cats are an african animal and for satanic witches and goatfricking cultists.
My aryan ancestors burned cats in the town square for fun. all they ever did was drive the rats into the walls instead. Oh, and cats spread plague.
Somehow I could tell you were an oldgay. Maybe cause the other guy talks like a tryhard by comparison. 😛
Oldgays can provide filenames starting with 12 and 13 and understand the difference between hating cats (reddit fedora shit) and just not worshiping them (cats can be shit pest control, an environmental disaster, a public health concern, AND good pets).
newbies filenames always start with 15 and 16 or are random letters and numbers (reddit and danbooru). Now that you know they’ll start faking it. newbies try too hard to fit in and think caturday existing for a while means this is the place for a reddit favorite: bastet autism and paraphrasing lovecraft.
how eloquent
>Oldgays can provide filenames starting with 12 and 13
newbies say this when they first discover archives
>t. newbie that just discovered the archive and thinks he is being witty
Q1: Which of these boards were created in the same year?
Option 1: Wauf, /l/ and /c/
Option 2: Wauf, /jp/, and /h/
Q2: Which of these boards used to be about something else entirely?
Option 1: /jp/, /e/, and /hm/
Option 2: /h/, /fur/ and Wauf
Option 3: Wauf, /n/ and /b/
Q3, open format: Bring back ___
You should be able to solve this
Best husky pic ever
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/film/
Pet war threads are low quality spam and Wauf didn't mind cats prior to bugguy's agitprop.
Anticat posts fall into three categories, environmentalist extremism, console wars false flagging by people who are literally seething that some people prefer dogs to Mohammed’s preferred pet, and tantruming schizos who shit up the board in every direction every time one of their schizo threads gets jannied (bugguy and allosaur researcher/paleoschizo to name two).
Only the first is authentic.
It's not "anti-cat" to tell you to keep your pet inside where they won't die 16 years early after spreading infant mortality: the parasite around the neighborhood.
it's not "anti cat" to tell you that there are no animal based pest control solutions that are not as bad as the pests themselves and the only thing that works is cleaning your shit up and using traps and poison like a civilized man.
that is very pro cat, because deranged cat worshipers have a strong tendency to get all their cats killed by letting them roam and "get rid of the rats" (rat status: still there. wheel well status: ew!)
is it "anti dog" to tell people to follow leash laws and train their mutts not to bark? is it "anti dog" to insist that dogs that attack people should be euthanized? or is it pro dog, because it extends dogs lives and allows them to exist here without giving us a reason to just holocaust the whole species?
dog people are more reasonable when they finally pull their dicks out of them so you know the answer. follow suit. :^)
Based bugguy. Tellem how it is. The reddit cat cult needs to gtfo. We actually like animals for what they are here, not for what folklore thinks they might be.
Crazy cat fans are the feathergays of living mammals
schizo racist alert probably mexican
Wauf has always liked cats you moron
It has to do with the time frame and purpose.
Paleolithic man engaged in persistence hunting, which is tracking prey over long distances. Every time it stops to eat, or sleep, you and your hunting party were making up time until eventually your prey was too exhausted to run anymore and you and your caveman bros just dogpiled on it until its heart exploded, or your stove in its head with a rock.
Wolves also utilize this hunting technique, and are one of the few animals that can keep pace with humans over distance, eventually the two groups realized they could collectively be more effective than they were independent, and a relationship was formed.
Cat domestication came about once agriculture took hold. People staying in one place, storing grain, attracting rodents, and cats liked hunting said rodents, people liked the cats, and so they started caring for the cats in exchange for them chasing off pests.
But the cats never chased off pests, ever. They gave the appearance of chasing off pests, but they just made the pets cautious enough to be below humans notice.
https://travislongcore.net/2021/05/15/no-chicago-feral-cats-dont-control-rats/
The amount of grain 100 rats consume each night in a store room is within a 1% accounting error... early man did not have digital scales, and the rats were eating more than just the grain.
>inb4 SO A BUNCH OF ILLITERATE PRIMITIVES WERE WRONG?
Yes. Do you know how long the fricking stone age lasted? People can be idiots for a very long time.
>cats are not the best animal ever. they don’t do anything useful. cute tho.
>CAT WEBSITE YOU CAT HATING DOG FRICKER REEEEEE
Jej
God forbid cats not be literal gods. If you don’t worship them, you hate them. Woman aka gay aka redditor logic.
Cats are mouse repelents, not rats. A cat can take down a rat but most of the times it is too much trouble and too risky to bother doing so. Mice on the other hand are hardwired to avoid areas with cats https://www.science.org/content/article/scent-makes-mice-run-scared
We bred some dog breeds to hunt rats, cats are for smaller stuff, the fact that some cats can take down prey as big as themselves is just the icing of the cake, their main function is as mice repellent.
I have bad news for you. The cat only works once in its entire life and then it's a very weak effect.
>https://pethealthnetwork.com/news-blogs/a-vets-life/could-mice-be-attracted-cat-urine
>Research found that mice can become accustomed to the presence of a chemical found in the urine of cats and are less likely to flee when they smell that chemical. The chemical is appropriately called “felinine,” and when nursing baby mice were exposed it during the study, and again later in life it was found that the expected, terror-filled flight did not occur.
>While they don’t run from the scent, the mice’s brains did produce the same stress hormones as the control group. They just don’t act on it.
Mice or cats would go extinct if cats always scared off their prey and mice never lived anywhere a cat pissed once. Don't be dumb.
They come back later and produce smaller litter sizes. This has an evolutionary advantage. If there is strong predation pressure, the mouse will be more successful investing more resources into fewer but more resilient offspring. Cats are relatively passive predators that mostly hunt juveniles, especially weak stragglers, so fewer but stronger mice have better chances of having at least some offspring survive long enough to reproduce.
Ultimately, nothing really gets rid of mice except cleaning up your mess and maintaining your building. Maybe invest in glue traps and a bucket trap because cats will do dumb shit like save a mouse corpse on top of your fridge or under your bed. Cats are not FDA approved pest control for a reason. They will even use your grain as a litterbox the same as a mouse will.
the difference between "get rid of the pests so you don't get hantavirus" and a stone age moron doing the best they can is kind of relevant
consider for a moment that humans are not at all intelligent, they need to be trained to be. early humans were literally too dumb to get rid of mice so if cats got them slightly fewer mice that weren't seen as often that was an upgrade.
now we're all trained to actually use our brains and apply technology instead of prayer, so we can actually get rid of mice. but that's us, not some primitive rock stackers in north africa or illiterate medieval peasants that thought sicknesses were spread by invisible clouds of a magic sky man's wrath.
DAE notice the part where the mice need to be within several feet of cat piss for anything to happen?
Does your cat piss all over your house?
Yes, and without training. Especially in my laundry basket where I don’t want to see mice.
Border collie: pile of OCD and epilepsy that dies if it touches dewormer. Scores lower on general intelligence than a malinois AKA a healthy, non-anglo breed.
Golden retriever: known for high rates of cancer, drool, and a foul odor.
Hmmm shocker.
cats' brains are the size of a walnut
it's amazing they can even be taught to shit in a box most of the time.
absolute moron animals
Their brain is becoming smaller, I'm very scared for the species, that and breeders making monstruosities that makes the animals in constant pain or basically cripples them
pretty sure you guys are talking about dogs
nah. dogs are much smarter than cats and their brains are now finally getting bigger.
>Wauf has always "liked cats" therefore if you say cats are anything but THE BEST u r no 4chinz
there is a world of difference between "i like cats, they're cute" and "i think cats are super smart and perfect at everything". i like cats, they're cute, but they are dumb and do not get rid of rodents. they are not supreme gentlemen. they are low maintenance dogs basically.
It’s like brand loyalty of snoys, but with cats.
>snoys
Go back to Wauf cinegay aka heathergay
I like both, but the way cats are bread reminds me of the way some lines of dogs are today and in their case their brain becoming smaller sounds really bad considering they started with less than dogs, I'm no expert true but really I wished they could be cherished without being turned into living plushies because I'd hate for them to get as dumb as one
>I'm no expert true but really I wished they could be cherished without being turned into living plushies because I'd hate for them to get as dumb as one
You're too late
It didn't even take a few centuries for the eternal anglo to try out his cripplehammer on cats. Prior to that, they were merely domesticated, the same as the korean jindo dog. And now, they are so much more. So much worse.
If the anglo's punishment of the dog is to strip it of as much of its ancestry as possible and make it so that no one would ever assume it came from wolves (the golden retriever and pug are the anglo's ideal dogs - totally unrecognizable as coming from nature. the anglo HATES anything that looks anything like a wolf which is why he made the german shepherd look like a roach)... then the anglo has decided to punish the cat, for its laziness in failing to ever get rid of his rat problem, by making it so dumb it could never deign to work at all.
"If you'll bother my sheep then I'll make you too much of an eternal child to feed yourself from a closed bag of food"
"And since I still have rats and you love sleeping too much how about I make you too dumb to do anything but sleep?"
The anglo hates animals. And he hates nature.
>Since you can't work the way I want you too I'll make you an eternal child
Shit this reminds me of women in some places, but outside of that It reminds me of what anglos did to pidgeons, ducks and many other creatures, some of the anglo only breeds are in constant pain, sport (or rather lack in some cases) things they shouldn't, like this pigeon breed with holes in It's head that can't even properly see anymore, I guess we must protect as many of the non afflicted ones from falling in the hands of poor moral having breeders but that feels impossible these days
>absolute moron animals
But enough about dogs
>n-no u
kek
Seething dogsimp
>cats are dumb
>DOGS? DOGS? DOGS! DOGS! DOGS!
Why are you like this? Did a dog suck your girlfriends dick or something?
>ancient middle eastern hunting dog: odorless. silent. looks like a wolf fricked an angel. does not drool.
This is what dogfrickers actually believe lmao
Cats are domesticated. Mine eat their food from a bowl and shit in a box of sand. That's domesticated.
Both animals self domesticated
Dogs were just unlucky enough to be first to the angloid ruination of all creation party. They even did that shit to pigeons.
Originally pretty much all dogs were on a spectrum between husky and akita
You mentally ill anglophobe, you should realize that dogs were domesticated globally by most early humans and most civilizations had some form of domesticated dog.
>grrr anglos
Verifiably false.
Romans were germanic
So Anglo?
oh my,I didn't know brainless people could live that long. Let alone type
Cats are really dumb and basically already do what we want them to on their own. No point in domesticating small cats to the same extent as dogs, and domesticating a big cat is suicide when its walnut suddenly activates predator mode and snaps your little prey neck.
No point on domesticating cats other than to pet them and that's exactly what we did.
Cats hung around human cities because our stored food attracted prey animals. This eventually resulted in a symbiotic relationship and domestication for the purpose of keeping down vermin.
but they didn’t keep vermin down. unless by down you mean hiding but still increasing in number.
cats are a brood parasite
>contributes nothing
>spreads a disease associated with infant mortality
>mimics an infant’s appearance/noises to make moronic humans provide for it and its offspring
and people that fall for it are birdbrained
my cat:
>neutered
>indoor only
>trained to do tricks
eat shit mittens! oh wait. he does. he ate my parrots shit once. kek