It wasn't, that tree species does not live long enough for that, and also, it was to prove that their religion was wrong because surely their god would come do something about it. Probably a good thing considering they had absolutely no way to talk themselves out of their spiritual obligation to die while trying to murder someone else.
Sure the tables would have been turned when his god never did anything about transgressions regarding his faith, but the bible has "two more weeks" and "after ur dead AHAHAHA" clauses, which makes proving it wrong impossible. It also has a "i prophesize that people will disagree with me and if they do that's proof i'm right" clause and a "people once believed in something else but that's just more proof i'm right" clause so it's pretty bulletproof using nothing but schoolyard bully tier "logic". Unfortunately it also has clauses that mean you can interpret it any way you want and completely disprove the entire bible using the bible itself so it's also pretty useless.
The actual oldest tree in history was killed much later in the name of muh heckin science. Because the world really had to know exactly how old a specific tree was.
(real motivation: a grad student wanted to pad his resume)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(tree)#External_links
Wasn't the oldest living animal also killed in science when they tried getting Its age? I'm sad to hear trees lost their eldest in a similar fashion, but even worse for a grad's fricking resume padding
Murder is natural and therefore good >THATS A FALLACY
Natural is necessarily good because it is a chaotic system arriving at its ideal resting point. It is synonymous with good. Murder is a strong individual freeing up resources that were held by an individual with a fatal flaw that predisposed them to being murdered. It is natural and therefore good.
Going against nature prevents a system from optimizing itself and is essentially bad, even if you are a nihilist, because nihilism is actually highly natural.
it's perspective anon. stop fighting against the flow. humans are just part of the world, like any other animal, our connection is just frayed. I'm not saying you have to live in the woods or whatever but just having a different state of mind will help you. when you next listen to the wind in the trees and drink in the smell of the earth remember you are a piece of the whole.
and if you smell iron its probably a good idea to leave
Because they are capricious and unpredictable. >Oh tee hee ho you've done it now! You stepped on my favorite branch that I've had laid their for 200 years! I will be turning you into a berry now!
There are no such things. The only spirits are either fallen angels or angels. Possibly some of the souls of the nephilim.
It is possible the tree did house a tempting spirit, or satan himself, for a time. They are not bound to these things though, they lure people from the truth with honeyed lies through whatever means they can. If they can make you worship some useless object through some sweettalk, that turns your worship from the God. That is a success in their minds.
They only act evil when faced with a holy man they can't corrupt. To others, they're all honey and incense because it's more convincing to act nice than it is to try scaring people into line.
Faith is all I need to know it.
But for some level of evidence for the faithless, you can look to its doctrines and see that there is almost no worldly benefit to following the belief. This should make you ask yourself why a bronze age people would have come up with something that doesn't actually benefit them, it doesn't play into natural things like many of the pagan faiths do, or excuse wanton worldly behavior like Islam and Judaism does. It's rigid commitment to sinlessness, often at great personal sacrifice, and you can't even tell a white lie to save yourself, you can't break the dietary law to keep yourself from starving. There's no exceptions anywhere for anything it tells you to do. You follow a hardline, nearly impossible doctrine or you fail and do not make it to Heaven.
The only reason anyone would have come up with this and lived this hard of a life is if it was the truth told to them by the true God.
>there is no wordly benefit
False. Your religion explicitly requires punishment for “sins” and has a long history of imprisoning, torturing, and killing people. Thou shalt not kill is correctly translated as thou shalt not murder, and anyone who is forgiven is without sin and can cast the first stone, which means the church is authorized to carry out executions.
Also “do what me schizo say or you suffer forever after you die” is a clear threat to an illiterate and superstitious moron.
The only reason someone would come up with this is if they were leveraging mythology as a means of social control. Coincidentally, every christian country was a builder of large and murderous armies. The church said spread the faith, the crown said and bring back gold.
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Christian law may only be applied to Christians. You cannot forcibly convert anyone, it's disallowed by God. The things done by Catholicism isn't really in line with the doctrines.
Catholicism maybe claim to be Christianity, but it is polluted with pagan tendencies, the entire Apocrypha is worldly and should not be followed.
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>real christianity hasn’t been tried yet
It is explicitly instructed in your book that sodomites and nonchristian leaders must be publicly executed but only by devout christians. The word of your god itself tells you how and why to kill them.
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Christians who had fallen to sodomy and other negative practices.
The wars with the Canaanites was a specific contextual event. Not a guide for how to make war, not a command to make war. The bible makes it pretty clear there's never going to be a truly Christian nation, it makes it clear Christians will be persecuted by governments, rather than ruling them.
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Wrong
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christianity has eradicated more white culture, writings and religions than anything else during the baptism of east and western europe. You're chimping over a fanfic slapped onto the back of a middle eastern religion. Slavs don't even know their traditional religion, Rodnovery is just an approximation, all that shit was burned. gg betraying your ancestors and simping for the tool of their cultural destruction.
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Returning to Christianity is returning to their true faith, anon.
We all descend from Noah's blood. We all knew the truth at one point. These other faiths are lies, deceitful teachings from satan and his agents.
>The only reason anyone would have come up with this and lived this hard of a life is if it was the truth told to them by the true God.
That is some really weak logic. According to you, the absurdity and "hardcoreness" of Christian belief are the proof of its veracity. So let's say that I decide to start a new faith, called Christianity+, which is the exact same as Christianity but with the added commandments that you need to gouge out your eyes, cut off your hands and feet, and eat 3 tons of elephant shit every day, and failure to do all this condemns you to Hell. Following your own logic, Christianity+ is automatically the one true faith, since it is even more absurd and hardcore than regular Christianity.
>Nature... LE BAD because ummm the pedophile church told me!!!
Nature is part of god. For heaven's sake he was the dude who made it and entrusted it to us to care for and prosper from. Therefore disrespecting nature is equivalent to flipping the middle finger at God.
Hey moron. Everything is nature, your body runs off of food that nature invented. The computer you are sitting at is made of materials extracted from nature. What are you even trying to argue?
Because something is natural, it is good. Creating artificial medicines is natural human behavior therefore it is good.
There is no other objective standard of good and evil besides darwinian protocols. The behaviors evolved by more successful individuals are more good because they are more successful.
I didn't say that? I just said how the forces of nature are the only real proof of something godly and we should focus on it instead of the word of another human. We are biased, nature is not.
Calling this a fallacy is fallacious in itself. It begs the question: what is good or bad? It could be that natural is synonymous with good and that probably dying on holistic meds is preferable in the long term.
But if natural is necessarily good it ceases to be a fallacy
A fallacy is an essential error in logic that invalidates any conclusions made from it, 2+2=5 level thinking, not a conclusion you disagree with on philosophical grounds
Ever since slippery slope became a thing a lot of these fallacies are false now
Yeah of course poison mushrooms and animals killing each other over hunting grounds can be seen as bad but that's nature for you and it is inevitable and justified in most situations
Good or ideal is stupid hippy shit
Everything you eat would eat you in a heartbeat
A tree would eat you if it could move look at carnivorous plants
Killing when it benefits you as inevitable as rising rape statistics if rape became legal
Slippery slope is important because it's important to prove why the slippery slope will happen instead of just throwing whatever out there. People just don't consider the why because it's almost always the j... a gigantic joke hahaha.
The natural fallacy however is very much a religious thing, going all the way back to greco-roman religions. The fallacy is itself fallacious and people do not question it because asking "what is good anyways, and why is natural not an answer?" leads to some conclusions on human nature that adults don't want to say or hear, because they know the untermensch will take it all too far.
Humans can't into simple systems that do fine when followed consistently.
I always saw natural fallacy as people trying to excuse any and all behavior as normal
Animals don't normally want to hurt and kill for no reason its almost always for food, self defense due to fear, and territorial disputes
Not liking a person to the point of trying to kill them has nothing to do with these 3 major factors
Slippery slope was definitely due to exaggeration like when parents told their kids to go to sleep or then the empire falls
>Nature... LE BAD because ummm the pedophile church told me!!!
Nature is part of god. For heaven's sake he was the dude who made it and entrusted it to us to care for and prosper from. Therefore disrespecting nature is equivalent to flipping the middle finger at God.
It wasn't, that tree species does not live long enough for that, and also, it was to prove that their religion was wrong because surely their god would come do something about it. Probably a good thing considering they had absolutely no way to talk themselves out of their spiritual obligation to die while trying to murder someone else.
Sure the tables would have been turned when his god never did anything about transgressions regarding his faith, but the bible has "two more weeks" and "after ur dead AHAHAHA" clauses, which makes proving it wrong impossible. It also has a "i prophesize that people will disagree with me and if they do that's proof i'm right" clause and a "people once believed in something else but that's just more proof i'm right" clause so it's pretty bulletproof using nothing but schoolyard bully tier "logic". Unfortunately it also has clauses that mean you can interpret it any way you want and completely disprove the entire bible using the bible itself so it's also pretty useless.
The actual oldest tree in history was killed much later in the name of muh heckin science. Because the world really had to know exactly how old a specific tree was.
(real motivation: a grad student wanted to pad his resume)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(tree)#External_links
You don’t believe all humans and animals are the product of incest starting at Eden and continuing after the old man let all the animals off his ship after the global flood?
You don’t believe all humans and animals are the product of incest starting at Eden and continuing after the old man let all the animals off his ship after the global flood?
Isn't everything in Genesis just a metaphor for evolution?
I'm not religious but I love stories of saints, they're fricking wild. Like Saint Thecla, who yeeted herself into a lake full of rabid seals. Good stuff.
So who's this guy and what's the story? Why's he going apeshit on the tree?
A bunch of morons were worshiping the tree and thought that they had a spiritual obligation to die while trying to murder people
Under the guiding light of christ, they went on to do more productive things: dying while trying to murder people. But they said "praise the lord" instead of "to valhalla" so it was different I guess?
>Donar's Oak (also Thor's Oak or, via interpretatio romana, Jove's Oak) was a sacred tree of the Germanic pagans located in an unclear location around what is now the region of Hesse, Germany. According to the 8th century Vita Bonifatii auctore Willibaldo, the Anglo-Saxon missionary Saint Boniface and his retinue cut down the tree earlier in the same century. Wood from the oak was then reportedly used to build a church at the site dedicated to Saint Peter. Sacred trees and sacred groves were widely venerated by the Germanic peoples.
They represent an order of things contrary to man's understanding of the world. Things man abandoned to be men. It's frightening to come to face to face with something you were and on some level still are but can't access. Some things still hold true like violence being the supreme authority form which all other authority is derived but it takes strange forms often immediate rather than implied or exist on a scale smaller or larger than our inate comprehension.
Nature is creepy. When people think about "mother nature" they imagine some hippy chick. She's a psychotic b***h and if you can't handle her at her worst, you don't deserve her at her best.
you might be on to something. i saw in the paranormal thread that green is the color of lies and deception. but idk
Only at night
babbling brook mini waterfall in my woods becomes very mean in total darkness
Cringe pseudointellectual 2deep4u reddit vibes in here.
Accurate
Wasn't the oldest living animal also killed in science when they tried getting Its age? I'm sad to hear trees lost their eldest in a similar fashion, but even worse for a grad's fricking resume padding
he makes me panic when somebody rings the door :<
Murder is natural and therefore good
>THATS A FALLACY
Natural is necessarily good because it is a chaotic system arriving at its ideal resting point. It is synonymous with good. Murder is a strong individual freeing up resources that were held by an individual with a fatal flaw that predisposed them to being murdered. It is natural and therefore good.
Going against nature prevents a system from optimizing itself and is essentially bad, even if you are a nihilist, because nihilism is actually highly natural.
it's perspective anon. stop fighting against the flow. humans are just part of the world, like any other animal, our connection is just frayed. I'm not saying you have to live in the woods or whatever but just having a different state of mind will help you. when you next listen to the wind in the trees and drink in the smell of the earth remember you are a piece of the whole.
and if you smell iron its probably a good idea to leave
Because humans have undergone a process of pussification.
Because they are capricious and unpredictable.
>Oh tee hee ho you've done it now! You stepped on my favorite branch that I've had laid their for 200 years! I will be turning you into a berry now!
i just wanna fkn chill can u stop with the beezzzZZzz in my ear?
and malaria is NOT ok
there is no such thing ya filthy pagans.
why cut the tree at all if it's not filled with creepy spirits?
So they stop worshipping it?
There are no such things. The only spirits are either fallen angels or angels. Possibly some of the souls of the nephilim.
It is possible the tree did house a tempting spirit, or satan himself, for a time. They are not bound to these things though, they lure people from the truth with honeyed lies through whatever means they can. If they can make you worship some useless object through some sweettalk, that turns your worship from the God. That is a success in their minds.
They only act evil when faced with a holy man they can't corrupt. To others, they're all honey and incense because it's more convincing to act nice than it is to try scaring people into line.
And the Holy Spirit of course, but that's a separate thing, one part of God.
Why do you think your schizo babble is any more real than any other schizos?
Faith is all I need to know it.
But for some level of evidence for the faithless, you can look to its doctrines and see that there is almost no worldly benefit to following the belief. This should make you ask yourself why a bronze age people would have come up with something that doesn't actually benefit them, it doesn't play into natural things like many of the pagan faiths do, or excuse wanton worldly behavior like Islam and Judaism does. It's rigid commitment to sinlessness, often at great personal sacrifice, and you can't even tell a white lie to save yourself, you can't break the dietary law to keep yourself from starving. There's no exceptions anywhere for anything it tells you to do. You follow a hardline, nearly impossible doctrine or you fail and do not make it to Heaven.
The only reason anyone would have come up with this and lived this hard of a life is if it was the truth told to them by the true God.
>there is no wordly benefit
False. Your religion explicitly requires punishment for “sins” and has a long history of imprisoning, torturing, and killing people. Thou shalt not kill is correctly translated as thou shalt not murder, and anyone who is forgiven is without sin and can cast the first stone, which means the church is authorized to carry out executions.
Also “do what me schizo say or you suffer forever after you die” is a clear threat to an illiterate and superstitious moron.
The only reason someone would come up with this is if they were leveraging mythology as a means of social control. Coincidentally, every christian country was a builder of large and murderous armies. The church said spread the faith, the crown said and bring back gold.
Christian law may only be applied to Christians. You cannot forcibly convert anyone, it's disallowed by God. The things done by Catholicism isn't really in line with the doctrines.
Catholicism maybe claim to be Christianity, but it is polluted with pagan tendencies, the entire Apocrypha is worldly and should not be followed.
>real christianity hasn’t been tried yet
It is explicitly instructed in your book that sodomites and nonchristian leaders must be publicly executed but only by devout christians. The word of your god itself tells you how and why to kill them.
Christians who had fallen to sodomy and other negative practices.
The wars with the Canaanites was a specific contextual event. Not a guide for how to make war, not a command to make war. The bible makes it pretty clear there's never going to be a truly Christian nation, it makes it clear Christians will be persecuted by governments, rather than ruling them.
Wrong
christianity has eradicated more white culture, writings and religions than anything else during the baptism of east and western europe. You're chimping over a fanfic slapped onto the back of a middle eastern religion. Slavs don't even know their traditional religion, Rodnovery is just an approximation, all that shit was burned. gg betraying your ancestors and simping for the tool of their cultural destruction.
Returning to Christianity is returning to their true faith, anon.
We all descend from Noah's blood. We all knew the truth at one point. These other faiths are lies, deceitful teachings from satan and his agents.
uh did you say christianity but start talking about jainism because you did not describe christianity.
>The only reason anyone would have come up with this and lived this hard of a life is if it was the truth told to them by the true God.
That is some really weak logic. According to you, the absurdity and "hardcoreness" of Christian belief are the proof of its veracity. So let's say that I decide to start a new faith, called Christianity+, which is the exact same as Christianity but with the added commandments that you need to gouge out your eyes, cut off your hands and feet, and eat 3 tons of elephant shit every day, and failure to do all this condemns you to Hell. Following your own logic, Christianity+ is automatically the one true faith, since it is even more absurd and hardcore than regular Christianity.
nature is the only entity that should be worshipped, you illogical stupido
Nature is the only proof. Everything else is biased and man-made, it shouldn't be trusted. Nature should, because it is perfect, just like a God.
Hey moron. Everything is nature, your body runs off of food that nature invented. The computer you are sitting at is made of materials extracted from nature. What are you even trying to argue?
Hey moron. Spirits of nature isn't found in the bible anywhere.
Don't strawman me and think I'm saying nature = bad.
>Spirits of nature
oh I guess there was a missunderstanding. I was just saying that nature should be respected as god entrusted it to us.
>Spirits of nature isn't found in the bible anywhere
I don't believe in the bible, so why should I care ?
Because something is natural, it is good. Creating artificial medicines is natural human behavior therefore it is good.
There is no other objective standard of good and evil besides darwinian protocols. The behaviors evolved by more successful individuals are more good because they are more successful.
I didn't say that? I just said how the forces of nature are the only real proof of something godly and we should focus on it instead of the word of another human. We are biased, nature is not.
doesn't this thing list "slippery slope" as a fallacy when it's an observable truth
moron
Is this a website quizz? I kinda wanna take It
Not a quiz, but still something good to know.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
Thanks bud
Calling this a fallacy is fallacious in itself. It begs the question: what is good or bad? It could be that natural is synonymous with good and that probably dying on holistic meds is preferable in the long term.
Did you read the image? You basically repeated what it says
But if natural is necessarily good it ceases to be a fallacy
A fallacy is an essential error in logic that invalidates any conclusions made from it, 2+2=5 level thinking, not a conclusion you disagree with on philosophical grounds
Ever since slippery slope became a thing a lot of these fallacies are false now
Yeah of course poison mushrooms and animals killing each other over hunting grounds can be seen as bad but that's nature for you and it is inevitable and justified in most situations
Good or ideal is stupid hippy shit
Everything you eat would eat you in a heartbeat
A tree would eat you if it could move look at carnivorous plants
Killing when it benefits you as inevitable as rising rape statistics if rape became legal
Slippery slope is important because it's important to prove why the slippery slope will happen instead of just throwing whatever out there. People just don't consider the why because it's almost always the j... a gigantic joke hahaha.
The natural fallacy however is very much a religious thing, going all the way back to greco-roman religions. The fallacy is itself fallacious and people do not question it because asking "what is good anyways, and why is natural not an answer?" leads to some conclusions on human nature that adults don't want to say or hear, because they know the untermensch will take it all too far.
Humans can't into simple systems that do fine when followed consistently.
I always saw natural fallacy as people trying to excuse any and all behavior as normal
Animals don't normally want to hurt and kill for no reason its almost always for food, self defense due to fear, and territorial disputes
Not liking a person to the point of trying to kill them has nothing to do with these 3 major factors
Slippery slope was definitely due to exaggeration like when parents told their kids to go to sleep or then the empire falls
>Nature... LE BAD because ummm the pedophile church told me!!!
Nature is part of god. For heaven's sake he was the dude who made it and entrusted it to us to care for and prosper from. Therefore disrespecting nature is equivalent to flipping the middle finger at God.
Many of the ancient sacred groves exist due to the fact that we don't know where they are
>he doesn't know the cathedrals were simply built there to replace them
heh
Imagine being proud of the destruction of possibly the oldest tree in history
It wasn't, that tree species does not live long enough for that, and also, it was to prove that their religion was wrong because surely their god would come do something about it. Probably a good thing considering they had absolutely no way to talk themselves out of their spiritual obligation to die while trying to murder someone else.
Sure the tables would have been turned when his god never did anything about transgressions regarding his faith, but the bible has "two more weeks" and "after ur dead AHAHAHA" clauses, which makes proving it wrong impossible. It also has a "i prophesize that people will disagree with me and if they do that's proof i'm right" clause and a "people once believed in something else but that's just more proof i'm right" clause so it's pretty bulletproof using nothing but schoolyard bully tier "logic". Unfortunately it also has clauses that mean you can interpret it any way you want and completely disprove the entire bible using the bible itself so it's also pretty useless.
The actual oldest tree in history was killed much later in the name of muh heckin science. Because the world really had to know exactly how old a specific tree was.
(real motivation: a grad student wanted to pad his resume)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(tree)#External_links
>which makes proving it wrong impossible
Genesis kills the Bible’s trustworthiness
You don’t believe all humans and animals are the product of incest starting at Eden and continuing after the old man let all the animals off his ship after the global flood?
Isn't everything in Genesis just a metaphor for evolution?
If everything is a metaphor, then the passage prohibiting homosexuality just says frotting is ok and no anal, and you must say "no homo".
>(real motivation: a grad student wanted to pad his resume)
Deserves the death penalty and to have his name erased.
And now Christicucks suffer the same fate with their weakling worship cult, nature got the last laugh here.
Trees still exist.
When’s the israeli homosexual coming back? It’s been over 2000 years.
You probably haven't touched grass that wasn't installed by the city your entire life
The spirit of nature is a part of God, everything is a part of God.
I'm not religious but I love stories of saints, they're fricking wild. Like Saint Thecla, who yeeted herself into a lake full of rabid seals. Good stuff.
So who's this guy and what's the story? Why's he going apeshit on the tree?
A bunch of morons were worshiping the tree and thought that they had a spiritual obligation to die while trying to murder people
Under the guiding light of christ, they went on to do more productive things: dying while trying to murder people. But they said "praise the lord" instead of "to valhalla" so it was different I guess?
>Donar's Oak (also Thor's Oak or, via interpretatio romana, Jove's Oak) was a sacred tree of the Germanic pagans located in an unclear location around what is now the region of Hesse, Germany. According to the 8th century Vita Bonifatii auctore Willibaldo, the Anglo-Saxon missionary Saint Boniface and his retinue cut down the tree earlier in the same century. Wood from the oak was then reportedly used to build a church at the site dedicated to Saint Peter. Sacred trees and sacred groves were widely venerated by the Germanic peoples.
nature is one, so when animals eat each other its no problem, its just nature recycling itself
you find it scary because you have an ego
They represent an order of things contrary to man's understanding of the world. Things man abandoned to be men. It's frightening to come to face to face with something you were and on some level still are but can't access. Some things still hold true like violence being the supreme authority form which all other authority is derived but it takes strange forms often immediate rather than implied or exist on a scale smaller or larger than our inate comprehension.
Nature is creepy. When people think about "mother nature" they imagine some hippy chick. She's a psychotic b***h and if you can't handle her at her worst, you don't deserve her at her best.
Fig pollination reads like a Junji Ito short story.
They're old! Think about being so old that you go through senility for so long, that you end up back to normal.
I know that's a poor way of putting it, sorry.
We lived among them and now we mostly don't or can't understand each other anymore. And everything is scary to begin with...
Millions must decompose.
unclaimed ussy
you only think they're creepy because you're addicted to electricity
They do not have human morals or ways of thinking.
canines and felines both have autist morals and ways of thinking