We all know parrots are not pets and do not want to be our pets, and deer, dogs and cats are pets and want to be our pets, but what birds fit that description? Is there really a bird that wants to be a pet?
Bonus points if it doesn't make your house any messier or smellier than a cat. If you "have" to clip any feathers or keep it in any sort of cage it doesn't count.
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Pigeons. You can let them fly freely and they will instinctively come back to the coop
I would be too scared to let my birds fly freely tbh. Avian flu is a real c**t.
If you want a small bird that sits in your hand, you can hand-raise a finch/sparrow/canary. It's a lot of work for the first month but after that you'll habe a little buddy who will chill with you.
Chicken can be house pet and friend
you posted it, chickens enjoy being handled. getting affection from their handler is also a part of their pecking order and they'll fight over it
Does your definition of “pet” mean that it’s confined in your house? I have more chickens than I can count, as well as a few geese, and they all seem to enjoy my company and like to be around me, even when they don’t think they’re going to get food.
I haven’t even spent much time with them when they were growing up or anything.
I’d say they make great pets, and turkeys even moreso, but of course they’d be horrible if you kept them in your house.
pigeons. pigeons always want to be with people, being fatasses and taking food and just being around them in general.
picrel is the barest, barest minimum to own a macaw, and afaik these people still free-fly these birds because a cage of this size is still not enough space for them to be in permanently and be happy. an aviary of this size would be good enough for smaller parrot breeds, like wieneratiel-lorikeet size. how many wieneratiel owners do you know that keep their birds in an aviary of this size? exactly.
Chickens actually make fairly good house pets if you put a chicken diaper on them. They're clean, quieter than a dog, smell good, not destructive, and their sleeping areas don't take up much room.
But if you don't want something free-ranging in your house then button quails work too. They're like bigger hamsters and guineapigs.
Button quail are also adorable, quiet, and don't take up much more space than guineapigs would. They can't be permanently or near-permanently free in your house like chickens can, but you can let them out for a bit every now and again. They're not as cuddly as chickens either. But IMO, they're much cuter.
My chickens are definitely louder than my dog. Maybe not peak db levels, but the hens never shut up and are quite loud, whereas my dog only really barks when she’s excited for the frisbee or if a delivery driver is a black or brown man (she doesn’t have an issue with the cute Nigerian girl who’s the current mail carrier, you’ve gotta be both a swarthoid and a male).
That's because a parrot and human have a bond, a relationship based on mutual trust, not a pet owner relationship. They're not domesticated.
"It's cruel" is cope. Companion parrots get to live long and happy lives, and miss their owners when they die.
>It's not cruel to shove a flocking bird that naturally flies miles a day in a cage of this size for most of the day with only 1 other bird for company
You're right, they're not domesticated, and therefore they're not biologically accustomed to living in more cramped conditions than their wild ancestors would have lived in, they ARE the wild ancestors.
Unless you can provide an outdoor aviary the size of your bedroom for several parrots and guarantee they will be taken care of after you die, you are unable to care for these birds and shouldn't have them.
Get some pigeons, maybe some chickens. You're not special enough to 'deserve' a super special undomestic rainbow bird, especially if you can't even provide proper care.
>parrots are as smart as chimpanzees thats why we leave them in little boxes when we go to work
Zoophile nonsense. Most parrot owners cant do anything except think what you wrote to themselves and pretend their bird is happy because it wants to frick them. Have you seen how parrots live in the wild? Man can replace a wolf pack. Man can replace a cat colony. And yet dogs and cats still changed their territorial and social behaviors when they self domesticated.
But man can NOT replace that. No fricking way. Not even if parrots were properly domesticated. A wolf pack is analagous to a human family and can be as small as 2. Parrots live in massive flocks of screaming, fighting, and fricking. Oh and they fricking fly. For hundreds of miles.
>do not want to be our pets
See:
Parrots can bond to people but that doesn't mean it's good for them. Vanishingly few people can provide parrots a good quality of care in a home environment and if you're reading this post then you are not one of them.
Yeah, there are many morons that just put their birds in cage and call it a day.
But birds, especially parrots, can be pet.
It's just like children : many morons are not fit to raise them, but still make them.
>t. parents wanted a lot of children, but were shit a raising us
>>t. parents wanted a lot of children, but were shit a raising us
And you would inflict this on an innocent animal? No one reading this thread can provide any parrot with even the minimum amount of care they truly need.
>And you would inflict this on an innocent animals ?
When exactly did I say I wanted to have parrots/birds ?
You're apparently okay with other people doing it.
And if you read my post, you see I call people just putting them in cage morons.
Meaning : I'm effectively okay with people having birdpets when they are well treated.
Reading comprehension level required : 5 years old.
And if you read my post, you see me telling you that the average person cannot treat parrots well.
Meaning : If you're okay with people owning parrots, you're okay with people neglecting parrots, regardless of whether or not you/they BELIEVE the parrot isn't being neglected, it objectively is.
Reading comprehension level required : 5 years old.
moron.
And if you read my post, I said people just putting their bird in cage are morons.
Meaning : there are no problems about birds pets if you treat them well.
Reading comprehension required : 4 years old.
Also :
>Insulting
>Parroting
You lost. Your concession has been accepted.
>thinks
>It's not cruel to shove a flocking bird that naturally flies miles a day in a cage of this size for most of the day with only 1 other bird for company
You're right, they're not domesticated, and therefore they're not biologically accustomed to living in more cramped conditions than their wild ancestors would have lived in, they ARE the wild ancestors.
Unless you can provide an outdoor aviary the size of your bedroom for several parrots and guarantee they will be taken care of after you die, you are unable to care for these birds and shouldn't have them.
Get some pigeons, maybe some chickens. You're not special enough to 'deserve' a super special undomestic rainbow bird, especially if you can't even provide proper care. is okay so long as the bird isn't in there ALL the time
This is why you're moronic.
>Strawmaning now
Jesus, man, respect yourself.
>A parrot can be a pet if it is fully flighted, roams your entire house plus your backyard which is fully covered by a rigid fence that is designed to be harmless to a bird (visible and impossible to get lodged in), and is accompanied by 5 other parrots
It's a wild animal, mate. It's like keeping full blooded wolves, except it's not a mammal, you have nothing in common with it, so it's much harder. That guy with harvey and kane has what is essentially a 100% wolf with a husky and is doing better than a good parrot owner with 1/2 the effort of a good parrot owner and yet the animal still partially rules his life.
I have 5 chickens. Even when everything is spot clean they still don't smell good and training them to shit in one spot is just impossible so they're outdoor pets with their own aviary.
Your chickens smell because they're in a run, runs smell, but when they're wearing a chicken diaper you just throw it away/wash it when they've used it and they don't smell at all.
You're just noseblind. I can let them roam and air them out a bit, let them get a good dust bath in clean dirt, and they still have that bird smell.
Okay, its a war deerfricker.
Pigeons obviously but chickens do well indoors too if you diaper them. Emus (and some ostriches) really want to be our pets but they're just too big to be indoor pets as they grow into adulthood.
We had chicks that lived in our garage for a while in a wooden crate.
When they got a little bigger we'd take them outside in the mornings, then back in at night.
Eventually they would peck on the glass if we forgot them because they wanted to go to bed.
They were good pet chickens.
some heritage chicken breeds. silkie mixes, the one sultan i had. have heard consistent reports from others that more common commercial breeds are the opposite, not friendly etc...
Quail
outdoor? emus
Ducks and pigeons.
This. Both domesticated.
Also geese. I keep forgetting that geese are not ducks. But ducks and geese actively seek out your attention and cuddles. Pigeons do, too, but to a somewhat lesser degree.
>We all know parrots are not pet
Considering they still remain popular pets, that’s clearly not true, even if I agree
Why did they domesticate?
>Geese
What? Every geese I’ve seen has been aggressive as shit
>Why did they domesticate?
Free food
>(she doesn’t have an issue with the cute Nigerian girl who’s the current mail carrier, you’ve gotta be both a swarthoid and a male).
Your dogs a good girl, be proud of her
>What? Every geese I’ve seen has been aggressive as shit
Wild ones, sure. Domesticated geese fricking love people. When I was a kid, my parents had friends who kept them and they were lively, loving animals that wanted to follow you around and get nuzzles. In my experience, a subjected goose wants human attention.
In that case I don’t think I’ve ever seen a domesticated one. I definitely wouldn’t mind being able to pet and hold one
>deer
are you mentally ill?
Deer do want to be out pets and I'm tired of pretending they don't
It’s true they are quite friendly with us…
deer are food
So are Guinea Pigs and Rabbits.
It's not a matter of whether or not they want it, but whether or not an individual can provide a decent standard of care in a home environment.
This is possible with cats, dogs, pigeons, chickens, other fowl, and some finches.
This is not possible with deer and pretty much any type of parrot.
>t.
This isn't a thread about anti-deer fed propaganda. We're talking about birds here.