Was it a scam?
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>only have Koko in the shot
>someone off camera gives Koko signs
>Koko copies them and gives the illusion she is capable of human language
That's still impressive. Is Koko the greatest circus/stunt animal to have ever lived? Serious question.
> Is Koko the greatest circus/stunt animal to have ever lived?
No.
That particular honor goes to your mother.
I wonder if Nim ever got his orange.
Koko was a dirty girl
>Nipple fixation
> Koko was reported to have a preoccupation with both male and female human nipples, with several people saying that Koko requested to see their nipples. In 2005, three female staff members at The Gorilla Foundation, where Koko resided, filed lawsuits against the organization, alleging that they were pressured to reveal their nipples to Koko by the organization's executive director, Francine Patterson (Penny), among other violations of labor law. The lawsuit alleged that in response to signing from Koko, Patterson pressured Keller and Alperin (two of the female staff) to flash the ape. "Oh, yes, Koko, Nancy has nipples. Nancy can show you her nipples," Patterson reportedly said on one occasion. And on another: "Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples."[48] Shortly thereafter, a third woman filed suit, alleging that upon being first introduced to Koko, Patterson told her that Koko was communicating that she wanted to see the woman's nipples, pressuring her to submit to Koko's demands and informing her that "everyone does it for her around here." When the woman briefly lifted her t-shirt, flashing her undergarments, Patterson admonished the woman and reiterated that Koko wanted to see her nipples. When the woman relented and showed her breasts to Koko, Patterson commented "Oh look, Koko, she has big nipples." On another occasion, one of the gorilla's handlers told the woman that Koko wanted to be alone with her. When the woman went to Koko's enclosure, Koko began signing "Let down your hair. Lie down on the floor. Show your breasts again. Close your eyes," before beginning to squat and breathe heavily.[49] The lawsuits were settled out of court. Gorilla expert Kristen Lukas has said that other gorillas are not known to have had a similar nipple fixation.
Seems normal
imagine going through the trouble of drilling a gorilla for hours and hours for the sole purpose of catching a glimpse of your coworkers' nipples
there's gotta be an easier way
>Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples.
And people wonder if this whole thing was a fraud.
Imagine suing a gorilla because it said you have big pepperoni nips. Think she had to show her breasts in court to prove that Koko accurately described them?
Koko is called a fraud because people expected her to string together coherent sentences
If you ever thought ape language was anything more than apes vaguely conveying ideas as they run their stream of thought then you are an absolute moron
Her language was no different than an overexcited dog cycling though his repertoire of tricks because he’s desperate for a treat. She never used the right sign for something without being prompted first.
Wild Gorilla use vocalizations
https://gorillafund.org/uncategorized/gorilla-vocalizations/
>In one of Dian Fossey’s papers, she described 16 different vocalization types which she classified into 8 vocalization categories. The vocalizations in these categories serve different purposes for communication, ranging from infants communicating distress to their mothers, to silverbacks showing off how strong they are.
>-Aggressive Calls: Roar, Growl, Pant SeriesMild Alarm Calls: Question Bark, Hiccup bark
>-Fear and Alarm Calls: Silence, Screams, Wraagh (alarm bark)
>-Distress Calls: Cries, Whines
>-Group Coordination Vocalizations (With minimal disturbance): Pig Grunts, Hoot Bark, Belch vocalization
>-Intergroup Communication: Hoot Series
>-Miscellaneous Vocalizations: Chuckles, Copulatory Pants, Whinnies
That still isn’t much different from a baby that can’t talk yet. Different cries for hunger, attention, poopy pants, laughter, pout, and all the adorable little noises. It is a form of communication but isn’t a language.
Not even much different from dogs communication.
Maybe, but you can’t deny the impact Koko had on zoos all over America, though. When I was little my mom had a free year pass to the zoo and we would go there whenever we got bored. One time, when we were at the gorilla exhibit, we overheard a lady saying on her phone that the gorilla in front of her just looked at her baby and signed “Baby?” Thanks to Penny and Koko, gorillas can actually communicate with us.
>all independent verification failed
>only person she "talked" to was the handler
>literally no other evidence besides what the handler said that she understood or used language rather than basic tricks like a dog
Of course it was a scam.
apparently this b***h never even knew any ASL lmao
surprised she was given any serious attention
Gorillas use sign language in the wild.
>while walking away, if a mother gorilla crosses one foot over her other ankle it's a sign for her baby to climb onto her back
Yes.
*Koko smash head with rock*
Who you calling a scam?
what are you on about? what do you think was not truthful about it?
I think Koko got through a suspicious number of kittens
1?
didn’t they let the kitten get hit by a car
They wouldn't
Wouldn't they?
Thats the story but lets be honest we all know Koko went full Lenny.
The idea that she could use language instead of memorizing signs and repeating them for reward.
All great ape sign language research is a scam. If you want to communicate with apes, learn how apes communicate. None of them have ever strung together a sentence. There’s a reason why they say that the only animal to ever ask a person a question is an African Grey parrot.
Why Koko (Probably) Couldn't Talk (Sorry)
>Biased crazy "scientists" at it again
>Downright shady incidents under the guise of studies
>Evil wears many masks
>didn't use proper syntax, so it wasn't trying to communicate
yawn
>never initiated the conversation
>never attempted to ask a question
I'm sorry anon.
>mogs every signing ape ever in a matter of seconds
>bites into his first piece of cake for his birthday
>says "tasty bread"
do you think he typically called bread tasty or do you think saying it was tasty was to make the cake distinction?
With no other info I’d assume the former, but it’s hard to say given his track record
What if they teamed up
>Animals aren't smart enough to have questions.
People are asking questions in this very thread, dum dum.
People aren’t animals, dum dum.
Animals aren't smart enough to have questions.
Only urges.
See
communication doesn't necessarily imply use of language.
the title of this video and the thumbnail is enough to discredit any argument he has and I haven't watched the video and never will
>t.
>the title of this video and the thumbnail is enough to discredit any argument he has and I haven't watched the video and never will, plus he never showed his nipples plus he never let me touch them
Koko talked about the trade deficit and ocean pollution in a highly edited video for her last words.
>look at koko videos on youtube
>every single comment is eating it up totally uncritically, including the one where she apparently has an understanding of geopolitics and climate change
why are normies so moronic?