Was it a scam?

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >only have Koko in the shot
    >someone off camera gives Koko signs
    >Koko copies them and gives the illusion she is capable of human language
    That's still impressive. Is Koko the greatest circus/stunt animal to have ever lived? Serious question.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Is Koko the greatest circus/stunt animal to have ever lived?
      No.
      That particular honor goes to your mother.

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if Nim ever got his orange.

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Koko was a dirty girl

    >Nipple fixation

    > Koko was reported to have a preoccupation with both male and female human nipples, with several people saying that Koko requested to see their nipples. In 2005, three female staff members at The Gorilla Foundation, where Koko resided, filed lawsuits against the organization, alleging that they were pressured to reveal their nipples to Koko by the organization's executive director, Francine Patterson (Penny), among other violations of labor law. The lawsuit alleged that in response to signing from Koko, Patterson pressured Keller and Alperin (two of the female staff) to flash the ape. "Oh, yes, Koko, Nancy has nipples. Nancy can show you her nipples," Patterson reportedly said on one occasion. And on another: "Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples."[48] Shortly thereafter, a third woman filed suit, alleging that upon being first introduced to Koko, Patterson told her that Koko was communicating that she wanted to see the woman's nipples, pressuring her to submit to Koko's demands and informing her that "everyone does it for her around here." When the woman briefly lifted her t-shirt, flashing her undergarments, Patterson admonished the woman and reiterated that Koko wanted to see her nipples. When the woman relented and showed her breasts to Koko, Patterson commented "Oh look, Koko, she has big nipples." On another occasion, one of the gorilla's handlers told the woman that Koko wanted to be alone with her. When the woman went to Koko's enclosure, Koko began signing "Let down your hair. Lie down on the floor. Show your breasts again. Close your eyes," before beginning to squat and breathe heavily.[49] The lawsuits were settled out of court. Gorilla expert Kristen Lukas has said that other gorillas are not known to have had a similar nipple fixation.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seems normal

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      imagine going through the trouble of drilling a gorilla for hours and hours for the sole purpose of catching a glimpse of your coworkers' nipples
      there's gotta be an easier way

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples.
      And people wonder if this whole thing was a fraud.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine suing a gorilla because it said you have big pepperoni nips. Think she had to show her breasts in court to prove that Koko accurately described them?

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Koko is called a fraud because people expected her to string together coherent sentences

    If you ever thought ape language was anything more than apes vaguely conveying ideas as they run their stream of thought then you are an absolute moron

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Her language was no different than an overexcited dog cycling though his repertoire of tricks because he’s desperate for a treat. She never used the right sign for something without being prompted first.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wild Gorilla use vocalizations

      https://gorillafund.org/uncategorized/gorilla-vocalizations/

      >In one of Dian Fossey’s papers, she described 16 different vocalization types which she classified into 8 vocalization categories. The vocalizations in these categories serve different purposes for communication, ranging from infants communicating distress to their mothers, to silverbacks showing off how strong they are.

      >-Aggressive Calls: Roar, Growl, Pant SeriesMild Alarm Calls: Question Bark, Hiccup bark

      >-Fear and Alarm Calls: Silence, Screams, Wraagh (alarm bark)

      >-Distress Calls: Cries, Whines

      >-Group Coordination Vocalizations (With minimal disturbance): Pig Grunts, Hoot Bark, Belch vocalization

      >-Intergroup Communication: Hoot Series

      >-Miscellaneous Vocalizations: Chuckles, Copulatory Pants, Whinnies

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        That still isn’t much different from a baby that can’t talk yet. Different cries for hunger, attention, poopy pants, laughter, pout, and all the adorable little noises. It is a form of communication but isn’t a language.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/EH4XVXb.jpg

          Wild Gorilla use vocalizations

          https://gorillafund.org/uncategorized/gorilla-vocalizations/

          >In one of Dian Fossey’s papers, she described 16 different vocalization types which she classified into 8 vocalization categories. The vocalizations in these categories serve different purposes for communication, ranging from infants communicating distress to their mothers, to silverbacks showing off how strong they are.

          >-Aggressive Calls: Roar, Growl, Pant SeriesMild Alarm Calls: Question Bark, Hiccup bark

          >-Fear and Alarm Calls: Silence, Screams, Wraagh (alarm bark)

          >-Distress Calls: Cries, Whines

          >-Group Coordination Vocalizations (With minimal disturbance): Pig Grunts, Hoot Bark, Belch vocalization

          >-Intergroup Communication: Hoot Series

          >-Miscellaneous Vocalizations: Chuckles, Copulatory Pants, Whinnies

          Not even much different from dogs communication.

  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe, but you can’t deny the impact Koko had on zoos all over America, though. When I was little my mom had a free year pass to the zoo and we would go there whenever we got bored. One time, when we were at the gorilla exhibit, we overheard a lady saying on her phone that the gorilla in front of her just looked at her baby and signed “Baby?” Thanks to Penny and Koko, gorillas can actually communicate with us.

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all independent verification failed
    >only person she "talked" to was the handler
    >literally no other evidence besides what the handler said that she understood or used language rather than basic tricks like a dog

    Of course it was a scam.

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    apparently this b***h never even knew any ASL lmao
    surprised she was given any serious attention

  8. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gorillas use sign language in the wild.
    >while walking away, if a mother gorilla crosses one foot over her other ankle it's a sign for her baby to climb onto her back

  9. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  10. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    *Koko smash head with rock*

  11. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who you calling a scam?

  12. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    what are you on about? what do you think was not truthful about it?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think Koko got through a suspicious number of kittens

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        1?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        didn’t they let the kitten get hit by a car

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          They wouldn't

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't they?

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thats the story but lets be honest we all know Koko went full Lenny.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The idea that she could use language instead of memorizing signs and repeating them for reward.

      https://i.imgur.com/zYCvVOq.jpg

      Was it a scam?

      All great ape sign language research is a scam. If you want to communicate with apes, learn how apes communicate. None of them have ever strung together a sentence. There’s a reason why they say that the only animal to ever ask a person a question is an African Grey parrot.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why Koko (Probably) Couldn't Talk (Sorry)

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Biased crazy "scientists" at it again
        >Downright shady incidents under the guise of studies
        >Evil wears many masks

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >didn't use proper syntax, so it wasn't trying to communicate
        yawn

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >never initiated the conversation
          >never attempted to ask a question
          I'm sorry anon.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >mogs every signing ape ever in a matter of seconds

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >bites into his first piece of cake for his birthday
              >says "tasty bread"
              do you think he typically called bread tasty or do you think saying it was tasty was to make the cake distinction?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                With no other info I’d assume the former, but it’s hard to say given his track record

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              What if they teamed up

              Animals aren't smart enough to have questions.
              Only urges.

              >Animals aren't smart enough to have questions.
              People are asking questions in this very thread, dum dum.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                People aren’t animals, dum dum.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animals aren't smart enough to have questions.
            Only urges.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              See

              https://i.imgur.com/OZYCNR4.jpg

              >mogs every signing ape ever in a matter of seconds

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          communication doesn't necessarily imply use of language.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        the title of this video and the thumbnail is enough to discredit any argument he has and I haven't watched the video and never will

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the title of this video and the thumbnail is enough to discredit any argument he has and I haven't watched the video and never will, plus he never showed his nipples plus he never let me touch them

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Koko talked about the trade deficit and ocean pollution in a highly edited video for her last words.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >look at koko videos on youtube
        >every single comment is eating it up totally uncritically, including the one where she apparently has an understanding of geopolitics and climate change
        why are normies so moronic?

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