"Do they really expect us to eat these white plastic things? Pfft! Such losers they are!
"I'm still gonna eat these real organic rats, no matter how hard those weird hairless bipeds try!"
I know this is all an elaborate troll by please explain why instrumentalizing radiation without its consent is morally justifiable and eating plant is not. Shouldn't the goal be to immanentize the eschaton and end all ontological abuse across all dimensions, including time but also al the others?
I know this is all an elaborate troll by please explain why killing plants is morally justifiable and killing animals is not. Shouldn't the goal be making all entities photosynthetic/chemosynthetic?
In the grandest and most expansive sense I basically agree with them, that the end state of any utilitarian philosophy requires an end to predation and carnivory, among lots of other things. If they really want this though they should honestly go into AI research and just help accelerate us to the 'omnibenevolent AI goddess' good ending. As it would take nothing short of an omnipotent reality-bending singularity AI to be able to reprogram the laws of nature as comprehensively as would need to be in order to eliminate something like predation from the environment.
This is basically my answer for any concerns humans have about the state of nature / the environment. We can't even understand our bodies well enough to design a drug that doesn't have 37 different side effects, I have no idea why we think we can address any runaway problem in the messiness of the whole of nature without causing 10 more problems in the course of trying to fix it. I am pretty sure an enviro-AI running on three gajillion teraflops of gpu cluster power could find a better answer to global warming than 'what if everyone stopped driving cars' and I bet it could come up with a better answer for thorny moral conundrums like 'how can we eliminate animal suffering' than building a robo-mouse that doordashes synthetic chicken nuggets to puma dens.
people collectively need to realize when and where they're moronic (hint: most disciplines and nearly all of the time) and cede authority to entities that are less moronic. and if those authorities don't exist yet, build them.
The problem with utilitarian philosophy taken to its endpoint is you falsely assume that ethical consistency is required and therefore you must take it to its endpoint. It is not, and you do not.
Philosophies can be applied if they convenient because morality is ultimately goal based. Having a "philosophy" only serves to make actions more predictable on average to reduce the difficulty involved in cooperating with other humans. In fact, you can enhance predictability by making these exceptions rules. "We will apply utilitarian philosophy, but only for humans". Thus cooperation is less troubled as everyone is following the same basic guidelines.
The only good and bad in this situation is whether or not your actions are conducive to the goals at hand, and the goodness and badness of those goals are related to nothing but the sole guiding principle of life...
What is the chance that achieving these goals will result in your continued survival and prosperity? Can't say you're all that right if you are starving, sickly, dead, or had to go back entirely on something like veganism to avoid starvation, can you?
>Philosophies can be applied if they convenient because morality is ultimately goal based.
Wrong. Only Consequentialism is goal based. Deontology is duty and obligation based, actively spitting on any form of goal and considering them to just lead to immorality.
Nobody cares what you think. You're not allowed to put words into other people's mouths. If deontologists want to have duty based morality, that's their business. Nobody gives a shit about your special snowflake pragmatism.
And really, I could pick your own idiotic ideas apart pretty easily. Why should we survive? Hmmm? What's so great about survival? Would survival in squalid conditions be fine? Or is there some sort of extra value we need to attach in order to make survival meaningful?
Now frick off. Maybe go back and suck Sam Harris's dick.
you have a hackneyed sense of what a moral system actually constitutes probably from spending too much time on pink boards and getting polbrain or etc. the entire point of a moral system is that it transcends or supercedes opportunism and self interest. Saying it all leads back to self interest is a) provably untrue and b) uninteresting, it's like the stoner in phil101 arguing altruism can't be real because it makes you feel good when do it, therefore really you're just acting selfish. yawn.
also you type like you're chatgpt, saying a lot while saying nothing at all.
ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT IS LOGICALLY AND MORALLY INVALID UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN GOD, HINDUISM, OR BUDDHISM, pick one because those are the most compatible faiths that have yet to have the tradition killed. Otherwise your entire conception of philosophy is invalid, because transcending self interest is transcending nature, and your beliefs are thus supernatural.
The idea of goodness outside of simple biological imperative is the idea of a supernatural good and I must remind you that the entireity of european philosophy up until postmodernism was built on a religious base. It was assumed everyone would be religious.
Not really. The most successful and powerful nation in the world, with the largest share of the human population of any one country, is atheist. As are the only socially stable nations in europe.
Religion is nonfunctional past the scale of a tribal or feudal society. It results in birthrates so high that it harms society and people who are afraid to self terminate when it makes darwinian sense. Among other things. Like resources wasted pursuing a supernatural AKA delusional idea of good.
10 months ago
Anonymous
religion doesnt necessitate worship of a deity
10 months ago
Anonymous
Worship of the self is what we have today. LGBT is literally a state sanctioned self worship cult. Think about it for a second... It really is
10 months ago
Anonymous
it has a caste system (progressive stack), original sin (being straight/white/male/normal), congregations (drag time story hour and discord servers), religious garb (aberrant hair colors and cross dressing), and ritual rebirth (transitioning and acquiring a new identity), among other things.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>religion doesn't necessitate religion
The most primitive form of a deity is a god-king or a class of living gods. Think about it.
Nobody cares what you think. You're not allowed to put words into other people's mouths. If deontologists want to have duty based morality, that's their business. Nobody gives a shit about your special snowflake pragmatism.
And really, I could pick your own idiotic ideas apart pretty easily. Why should we survive? Hmmm? What's so great about survival? Would survival in squalid conditions be fine? Or is there some sort of extra value we need to attach in order to make survival meaningful?
Now frick off. Maybe go back and suck Sam Harris's dick.
>Why should we survive?
Try not surviving and get back to us. I'm sure it's so much less important than being right "because goodness is good because surely it is and being consistently good is good because that makes me good because it does ok, you should be good because being good is good *try not to say god challenge: passed*" - deontologists.
I mean, ultimately, you are on the equivalent of a teen nihilism kick except replace nihilism with a fifth grade understanding of natural selection and selfish genes. it's not even so much that you're wrong, like sure, all constructs and structures need to be able to reproduce themselves across time or else they cease to exist and this applies to the self as much as anything else. the gnon abides and all that. But mostly it's just that you're fricking boring and feel thr need to expend multi paragraphs of effort to autistically shove home the same point over and over again.
I mean I can get up right now and adopt a kitten if I want to, because I think it's the right thing to do. Like I can absolutely do that and I can absolutely think the way I do about why I'm doing it. That's an action in accordance with my own sense of morals, the sense exists, the action exists, they all exist in spite of it not benefitting my survival odds or reproduction chance. So I am not really even sure what you're trying to say or prove when you say my shit is invalid, other than the basic b***h point that you disagree with me about how to treat kittens.
You are also on the level of a teen - alt-righter who is probably a repressed homosexual and posts lo fi greek statue memes on telegram. Bro. Le moral duty. Lmao.
Who cares about what the right thing to do is? This comes into play 1: when your "right" makes you unavailable or spends what is someone elses 2: when you start telling other people how to treat kittens and how to sacrifice and spend resources for that, because then your kitten fricking affects me. And vegans define their existence by telling other people what to do and disrupting animal agriculture, making it increasingly obvious that China got morality right while the west was horribly wrong from the start. The west is self destructing, the east is self constructing.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>The most primitive form of a deity is a god-king or a class of living gods
This is wrong, the most primitive form of deity is a talking animal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>implying humans were not the OG talking animals
>religion doesn't necessitate religion
The most primitive form of a deity is a god-king or a class of living gods. Think about it.
[...] >Why should we survive?
Try not surviving and get back to us. I'm sure it's so much less important than being right "because goodness is good because surely it is and being consistently good is good because that makes me good because it does ok, you should be good because being good is good *try not to say god challenge: passed*" - deontologists.
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You are also on the level of a teen - alt-righter who is probably a repressed homosexual and posts lo fi greek statue memes on telegram. Bro. Le moral duty. Lmao.
Who cares about what the right thing to do is? This comes into play 1: when your "right" makes you unavailable or spends what is someone elses 2: when you start telling other people how to treat kittens and how to sacrifice and spend resources for that, because then your kitten fricking affects me. And vegans define their existence by telling other people what to do and disrupting animal agriculture, making it increasingly obvious that China got morality right while the west was horribly wrong from the start. The west is self destructing, the east is self constructing.
the problem with western thought is it's entirely based on the pre-literate ramblings of weed smoking indo-iranians.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Semi-off topic but I imagine that the first human that ever got killed by a Smilodon probably thought they were looking at a literal demon
10 months ago
Anonymous
Demons and gods in primal religions are the same. Everything bigger and stronger than you is both awesome and awful.
10 months ago
Anonymous
This is an anthropological truth, tho. Talking animals are like the bow or spear of fiction, its as close to a universal concept to humanity as you get.
>implying humans were not the OG talking animals
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the problem with western thought is it's entirely based on the pre-literate ramblings of weed smoking indo-iranians.
humans were not the OG talking animals
No, reason and language was specifically a divine trait and one which seperated humanity from animals even amongst ancient civilizations. The first proto-scientific definition of life, Aristotle's theory of the soul was pretty much identical to the one we use in biology right now with the exception that it made rationality and language a specific "tier" (the highest) of the soul which was that characteristic of the Gods and of Humans. So humans were already recognized as being half-divine themselves, and animals that could talk were the same, if not actual Gods.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Try not surviving and get back to us. '
Plenty of people commit suicide. Why don't YOU go live in hellish conditions and get back to US about how survival at all costs is the only moral good. >I'm sure it's so much less important than being right "because goodness is good because surely it is and being consistently good is good because that makes me good because it does ok, you should be good because being good is good *try not to say god challenge: passed*" - deontologists.
lmao, butthurt atheist detected. I was right on with the Sam Harris remark. Deontology != divine command theory.
You should read some real philosophy books instead of wanking off to the Moral Landscape.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Plenty of people commit suicide
Whatever moral good they believed was more important died with them. Good riddance to the wrong and weak. >Why don't YOU go live in hellish conditions
What, you mean like every ancestor you had up until this point and 80% of humanity?
Do you know how you define hellish? Conditions that are less friendly to survival. If your goal is survival you will make your conditions friendlier. >it's not divine command theory
Then WHERE in the real world does the cause to be "good" come from? Nowhere. Bye.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Whatever moral good they believed was more important died with them. Good riddance to the wrong and weak.
But I thought survival was so self evident that everything else was irrelevant. If people commit suicide, that implies there is some condition that reverses survival instincts and leads one to self-terminate. >What, you mean like every ancestor you had up until this point and 80% of humanity?
No, I don't think "every ancestor you had" lived in "hellish conditions". If you go back into the historical record, people lived quite comfortably. Not to the same living standards we did, but they were comfortable with their position in life. This doesn't prove that survival is the only and ultimate good, in fact it implies that humans strive towards things OTHER than survival. Miserable people living in miserable conditions tend to die out. >Then WHERE in the real world does the cause to be "good" come from? Nowhere. Bye.
Lmao. Sam Harris homosexual 100% confirmed.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If people commit suicide, that implies there is some condition that reverses survival instincts and leads one to self-terminate.
its called a mental illness, because your conscious mind relies on an irrational feedback loop to operate and gets stuck sometimes. the risk for this is, in fact, genetic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Why don't YOU go live in hellish conditions
Actually the populations with highest standards of living are the ones where suicide is most common. In lets say concentration camps suicides weren't actually common. If you fight for survival giving up is not on your mind.
10 months ago
Anonymous
truly they are alienated from the closest thing to a purpose they ever had, the biological imperative to stay alive.
rather than follow scripture as written which actually works pretty well they turn into deists and gnostics who waste time arguing about the morality of predation while atheists and christians alike eat.
I mean, ultimately, you are on the equivalent of a teen nihilism kick except replace nihilism with a fifth grade understanding of natural selection and selfish genes. it's not even so much that you're wrong, like sure, all constructs and structures need to be able to reproduce themselves across time or else they cease to exist and this applies to the self as much as anything else. the gnon abides and all that. But mostly it's just that you're fricking boring and feel thr need to expend multi paragraphs of effort to autistically shove home the same point over and over again.
I mean I can get up right now and adopt a kitten if I want to, because I think it's the right thing to do. Like I can absolutely do that and I can absolutely think the way I do about why I'm doing it. That's an action in accordance with my own sense of morals, the sense exists, the action exists, they all exist in spite of it not benefitting my survival odds or reproduction chance. So I am not really even sure what you're trying to say or prove when you say my shit is invalid, other than the basic b***h point that you disagree with me about how to treat kittens.
>we're partitioning again
From a cultural point of view, no doubt. But from a system-wide perspective, unity has never been greater and it will only grow. >regression
I don't think there is any regression in nature, only a different path. But I understand the term and the idea behind it. >"if someone hears something wrong too many times they can gradually come to accept It as fact"
That's the idea. The simple fact that this idea is repeated and that it is believed is in some way proof of this. Funny, isn't it? >a man has unlimited sperm cells
Not anymore. > I'm also on a time limit
Like everything. > any post could be one from gpt haha
I'm human do not worry. >gotta stay positive
That's a good thing.
One of the hard parts of life is always being better than yourself. Remember this, however, no matter how many times you fall, you have only truly failed the moment you choose not to get up again. >People tend to care more about appearing smart/right/morally superior
Yes, it is an affliction which unfortunately touches me also. But I'm working on it >Looking up rev)
I do not understand this sentence
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>if you got more on this I'm all ears
Look up "The genetic basis of sexual dimorphism in birds"
Looking up rev was the maximum amount of letters I could use by that point for "I'm looking up SSD reversal" I had to shorten It before deciding to make another post on It
They are rats ripe for conquering by meat eating chads and always will be. Their diet is fragile and their minds moreso. The first sign of hardship destroys them.
>1000 AD~ >chinese are diminutive, frail, and have rotted teeth. subsist on grains and vegetables >mongols by comparison are herculean giants, the picture perfect alpha of the asiatic races >they thrived on a diet with a high content of animal flesh and fat
Obviously this will go nowhere, but what's scary is that there are people who think predation is an epidemic that can be eliminated. Or they even go so far as to believe that just because an animal species is omnivorous, it means that species can live without meat even if meat takes up a significant portion of its diet. Like what they're trying to meme with dogs right now.
"This is stupid look at how stupid this is do you think this is stupid let me share how stupid this is look at it, talk about it, don't you think this is stupid?"
Nothing is stupid in the postmodern era or the commercial market for clicks, likes, subscriptions, follows, comments and links.
It's either proftable or it's not.
The more outrageous something is, the more likely it will be profitable.
The more money you make off of outrage, fear, lust, envy, hate, the more money you have.
The only thing stopping some children's show from purposely releasing an episode where a celebrity performs a mass shooting while high on meth to teach kids about flat earth theory is that it wouldn't be profitable.
Limbic Capitalism doesn't care about sensibility or dececncy.
Please stop engaging it, distributing it, reacting to it, shit like this exists because it works.
The only purpose it has is to generate "High Arousal Emotions".
Stop giving your feelings up to it.
You are an unpaid data entry worker that is being tricked into being used.
This is where its at, yes. Look at garten of banban, a "game" copying "horror for kids" youtube famous games like poppy play time. Now without the utter moronation and sheepishness that consumes the internet today, this cheap knock off of a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off game would never go further than a dusty corner in the google play store, but youtube "content creators" couldn't let that happen, which if you haven't guessed yet was the intention of those behind the game. There are THOUSANDS of videos of moronic zoomers who think they have anything at all over thousand other copies of their shitty commentary channels, eagerly telling us about how garten of banban is sooooo bad and how you really really need to care about it. All the while they are completely oblivious that they are directly contributing to ban ban's successful viral marketing campaign. Now that shit is a household name, and its merchandise is probably in the homes of most children. People are so fricking oblivious it's unreal
We love them because they are gods creation and a glorification of his greatness not because they are people. An animal does not suffer, it nocicepts, and an animals screams are nothing more than an automated alert mechanism. They were not given free will or a soul by god. Marvel at and study god's creation but do not mistake it for yourself, for only you were created in his image.
This is peak hubris, this is feeling like you get to play god just because you have an opinion. Veganism is a mental illness and is as detached from nature as feedlot beef.
>we could have been in a domesticated cheetah timeline >instead we're in a vegans actually coalesce to exterminate predation timeline
This fricking sucks.
Imagine being so harm averse you want to destroy nature and populate it with meat robots to avoid the deaths of animals whose only role in an ecosystem is to provide food for something else
Imagine thinking literally every animal being herbivorous wouldn't devastate an ecosystem as herd animal populations explode, plains and forest get stripped bare, and bodies from accidental death and illness rot everywhere uneaten. And that's not taking the impact on human food production into account either.
This is actually more moronic than china's four pests campaign, and that was pretty fricking moronic.
Nothing's "role' in an ecosystem is to "provide food". Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes through agricultural monoculture, which has resulted in the extinction of untold numbers of native crops through disease and deforestation. Originally herbivore species turn to predation to survive.
>bears (eat berries and leafy greens unless none are available, which is increasingly common. Prior to the 20th century, there were no recorded examples of bears eating fish; now it is a common occurrence among all bear species) >dogs (originally ate simple grains that became extinct in the wild due to human farming, stayed near humans to consume grains and was eventually forced to subsist on meat) >pigs (will eat mushrooms and tubers unless none are available, at which point they become ravenous predators) >crocodiles (originally ate certain kinds of fruit that became extinct due to human overexploitation) >chickens (prefer grains, will only hunt insects if starving)
That's five.
>Chickens
Mine will kick over their grain feeder in pursuit of a grasshopper. They eat grain only in moderation unless nothing else is available, they prefer insects and forbs over all other fodder.
This is possibly the most moronic thing I have ever read. bone fragments have been found in the fossils of crocodiles and their ancestors, bears, and wolves. Many of these fossils predate humans. Really goes to show that a vegoid diet really does have terrible consequences on brain function.
Many people don't know, but coconuts used to be far more common before human intervention. Their main reproductive cycle used the sea currents as dispersion methods. Sharks and other big sea animals used to eat those and carry the seeds even further away, like birds do with fruit. It's why the coconut is so hard - it was designed for the mouth of a great white to break, not puny human hands.
Unfortunately, with the devastation of the natural beach habitat for creating human leisure space, sharks have been forced to kill their sea brethren out of hunger. Truly a tragedy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You're trolling, right?
10 months ago
Anonymous
you are pretty good at making these sound genuine kek
>Bears
Prefer meat if available >Dogs
Dogs are primarily carnivorous and are still unable to subsist entirely upon grain despite evolving additional repeats of a gene that codes for amylase. Dogs are obligate carnivores, not omnivores. I'm sure with enough supplements you can make a vegan cat too, but that's just attempting to synthesize meat. >Pigs
Prefer meat whenever available >Crocodiles
Have eaten meat since before mammals exist >Chickens
Prefer meat if available
Before the era of agriculture, there was an animal called the Moronodon. It was a ferocious predator that did not hesitate to attack humans.
But deforestation ended up completely destroying its habitat and causing its extinction. Without this essential predator to maintain the balance of the prehistoric ecosystem, humans multiplied very quickly and caused even more damage.
Since then, humanity has paid for the eradication of this majestic animal.
Because his diet consisted mainly of morons.
Human populations were never limited by predation because we were ALWAYS an apex predator. They were limited by prey availability. Any predation was mutual.
What threw it off was agriculture, because herbivory equals unlimited reproduction. Humans are not meant to be grazers or browsers. Humans ARE PREDATORS that NEED MEAT TO LIVE and any lifestyle outside of this is bad for the planet because it is outside the parameters of our species, like a car running still in a garage or a fusion reaction outside of its reactor
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes.
On an unrelated note, be careful of the Missthejokesuchus in your area, anon...
10 months ago
Anonymous
I live in the Pacific Northwest, there are no large reptiles around here.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You've clearly never ran into my mother in law
10 months ago
Anonymous
It has been a while since I last went to the zoo. My condolences.
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes >Originally herbivore species turn to predation to survive >carnivores didn't exist before agriculture >carnivores didn't before humans >predation doesn't happen at a microscopic level
Jesus frick, nobody could be this fricking stupid.
This has to be bait. Shitty bait at that
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes
You’re one of those “herbivorize predator” bozos, aren’t you? Sigh. If we are talking predation IN GENERAL, then let me explain this to you.
Predation has existed for billions of years in microbial species and multicellular lifeforms far before humans existed or “intervened”. Predation is a natural process. Animals became predatory billions of years ago because the consumption of other animals instead of plants is an evolutionary adaptation that was extremely beneficial.
We are eukaryotes due to predation. Mitochondria and chlorophyll exist due to predation.
Predation isn’t due to humans, it’s due to an evolutionary adaptation that has benefited creatures for millions and billions of years to come. Cry about it, loser.
>Predation has existed for billions of years in microbial species and multicellular lifeforms far before humans existed or “intervened”.
According to who? The meat packing industry? >Predation is a natural process.
It is by definition unnatural and immoral. >Animals became predatory billions of years ago because the consumption of other animals instead of plants is an evolutionary adaptation that was extremely beneficial.
All life on Earth has been completely herbivorous until the past 100,000 years. Any honest good faith study of fossilized animal life will reveal that supposedly "canine teeth" actually were used to strip tough foliage off of branches. We see the same kinds of teeth in both sauropods and theropods. The whole notion of a "predatory dinosaur" comes from Richard Owen's moronic interpretation of Megalosaurus as carnivorous, through no evidence but comparative anatomy to animals who had been driven to a carnivorous in the modern day. It was no different than any other of his stupid opinions, like dinosaurs lacking feathers. >We are eukaryotes due to predation. Mitochondria and chlorophyll exist due to predation.
Symbiosis is not predation. How does it feel to fail basic biology? >Predation isn’t due to humans, it’s due to an evolutionary adaptation that has benefited creatures for millions and billions of years to come
If that were true then all life on Earth would be extinct from eating itself.
I'm laughing so hard, I want them both in an octogone wearing boxing gloves with the express right to cheat with the gloves as I expect neither to be physically fit lmao
"Venom" in and of itself is a wholly misunderstood concept. Everything has "venom", it's your pre-digestive juices. Which, btw, in Humans break down starches, and in other creatures break down tough plant matter. To something made out of bread, Humans are "venomous" - spitting their equivalent of Xenomorph acid. But obviously just because certain digestive chemicals in the body CAN be poisonous to other creatures doesn't imply that's what they are necessarily for. Rather than assume Humans ate the bread people to extinction, you should understand that Human saliva exists to break down plant matter - just like all other animals. >parasites
Symbiosis gone wrong. Another example of the widespread effects of Human interference.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Everything has "venom", it's your pre-digestive juices.
That's not, at all, how venoms works.
You must be asian.
This is a glowBlack person and he needs his entire family slaughtered.
I'd recommend maybe a bit of fruit from time to time. You're clearly undergoing the effects of diabetic mood swings, probably from your meat based diet.
>All life on Earth has been completely herbivorous until the past 100,000 years. Any honest good faith study of fossilized animal life will reveal that supposedly "canine teeth" actually were used to strip tough foliage off of branches.
Proof? Source? Evidence? Who the frick could fall for this level of bait
>bears (eat berries and leafy greens unless none are available, which is increasingly common. Prior to the 20th century, there were no recorded examples of bears eating fish; now it is a common occurrence among all bear species) >dogs (originally ate simple grains that became extinct in the wild due to human farming, stayed near humans to consume grains and was eventually forced to subsist on meat) >pigs (will eat mushrooms and tubers unless none are available, at which point they become ravenous predators) >crocodiles (originally ate certain kinds of fruit that became extinct due to human overexploitation) >chickens (prefer grains, will only hunt insects if starving)
That's five.
>atheists reinvent garden of eden story and the fall of man
WEW
>fleas are PREDATORS of rats
Are you aware that feeding of something without killing is not predation? What the frick are they teaching zoomers this days.
There is no evidence to suggest a culling of cats causes the black death. The bubonic plague ravaged every single civilization it passed through, and most of them had cats/didnt have rat problems. Humans spread the plague, not rats or fleas.
Famine and plague are two very different things, moron. The bubonic plague ravaged China first, then the middle east, and was then brought from the middle east by Mongol invaders. Niether the niddle east nor China had rat infestation at the time of the blsck death. Its spread was encouraged by famine and strife due to the Mongol conquests.
Anyone know what species the bottom right in this pic are?
Head shape and pattern isn't usual for brown rat but they can vary just from canal to city centre in a city do I've no idea.
>life develops empathy to the point that it can no longer knowingly abide the suffering of other life >devises new form of life to suffer in it's stead
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
Nah, everything in the modern age is fake until proven gay. Every single thing released to the public at this point is a CIA op meant to protect the money of childfrickers. Vegetarianism is VERY bad for business. Meat is HUGE business and ranchers specifically have absolutely fricking absurd lobbying power in america.
>ranchers specifically have absolutely fricking absurd lobbying power in america.
They hardly even need to lobby. All they need to do is hire a guy to ask politicians >do you like eating meat?
99% of politicians will say yes, they do
and so they say "then vote that way"
and the politician says >well yeah obviously, but how about you take me out to a steak dinner
I mean this has got to be the easiest lobbing there is.
One of the problems with modern society is that satire and sincerity are approaching unity. That bud light troony for instance. Late last year someone sent me one of shim’s videos and they were doing a vlog about living as a woman, and the things it was talking about doing made it sound like a bad cartoon sitcom character designed to mock women (writing angry letters you don’t intend to send, etc). But apparently that’s just what that failed man thinks being a woman entails.
"Do they really expect us to eat these white plastic things? Pfft! Such losers they are!
"I'm still gonna eat these real organic rats, no matter how hard those weird hairless bipeds try!"
I know this is all an elaborate troll by please explain why instrumentalizing radiation without its consent is morally justifiable and eating plant is not. Shouldn't the goal be to immanentize the eschaton and end all ontological abuse across all dimensions, including time but also al the others?
I know this is all an elaborate troll by please explain why killing plants is morally justifiable and killing animals is not. Shouldn't the goal be making all entities photosynthetic/chemosynthetic?
it's almost like they've never heard of ecological niches
What an exquisitely moronic idea
In the grandest and most expansive sense I basically agree with them, that the end state of any utilitarian philosophy requires an end to predation and carnivory, among lots of other things. If they really want this though they should honestly go into AI research and just help accelerate us to the 'omnibenevolent AI goddess' good ending. As it would take nothing short of an omnipotent reality-bending singularity AI to be able to reprogram the laws of nature as comprehensively as would need to be in order to eliminate something like predation from the environment.
This is basically my answer for any concerns humans have about the state of nature / the environment. We can't even understand our bodies well enough to design a drug that doesn't have 37 different side effects, I have no idea why we think we can address any runaway problem in the messiness of the whole of nature without causing 10 more problems in the course of trying to fix it. I am pretty sure an enviro-AI running on three gajillion teraflops of gpu cluster power could find a better answer to global warming than 'what if everyone stopped driving cars' and I bet it could come up with a better answer for thorny moral conundrums like 'how can we eliminate animal suffering' than building a robo-mouse that doordashes synthetic chicken nuggets to puma dens.
people collectively need to realize when and where they're moronic (hint: most disciplines and nearly all of the time) and cede authority to entities that are less moronic. and if those authorities don't exist yet, build them.
no it really doesnt
objects dont have feelings
carnivory and predation are fine, its just automatons regulating each other
The problem with utilitarian philosophy taken to its endpoint is you falsely assume that ethical consistency is required and therefore you must take it to its endpoint. It is not, and you do not.
Philosophies can be applied if they convenient because morality is ultimately goal based. Having a "philosophy" only serves to make actions more predictable on average to reduce the difficulty involved in cooperating with other humans. In fact, you can enhance predictability by making these exceptions rules. "We will apply utilitarian philosophy, but only for humans". Thus cooperation is less troubled as everyone is following the same basic guidelines.
The only good and bad in this situation is whether or not your actions are conducive to the goals at hand, and the goodness and badness of those goals are related to nothing but the sole guiding principle of life...
What is the chance that achieving these goals will result in your continued survival and prosperity? Can't say you're all that right if you are starving, sickly, dead, or had to go back entirely on something like veganism to avoid starvation, can you?
>Philosophies can be applied if they convenient because morality is ultimately goal based.
Wrong. Only Consequentialism is goal based. Deontology is duty and obligation based, actively spitting on any form of goal and considering them to just lead to immorality.
Actually wrong because you totally misunderstood entirely
I absolutely reject the idea of any obligation or moral unless it is relative to a goal which is relative to the only truth (survival)
It is incomprehensible nonsense
Nobody cares what you think. You're not allowed to put words into other people's mouths. If deontologists want to have duty based morality, that's their business. Nobody gives a shit about your special snowflake pragmatism.
And really, I could pick your own idiotic ideas apart pretty easily. Why should we survive? Hmmm? What's so great about survival? Would survival in squalid conditions be fine? Or is there some sort of extra value we need to attach in order to make survival meaningful?
Now frick off. Maybe go back and suck Sam Harris's dick.
you have a hackneyed sense of what a moral system actually constitutes probably from spending too much time on pink boards and getting polbrain or etc. the entire point of a moral system is that it transcends or supercedes opportunism and self interest. Saying it all leads back to self interest is a) provably untrue and b) uninteresting, it's like the stoner in phil101 arguing altruism can't be real because it makes you feel good when do it, therefore really you're just acting selfish. yawn.
also you type like you're chatgpt, saying a lot while saying nothing at all.
>altruism can't be real because it makes you feel good when do it, therefore really you're just acting selfish
Still never disproven btw.
so what? why is it bad because its selfish? (its not)
I never maintained any position either in support of the hypothesis or against it, I just said it was never disproven so HAH, you've been outwitted.
Mental gymnastics.
>the entire point of a moral system is that it transcends or supercedes opportunism and self interest.
according with... ?
Transcends it on the grounds of what?
ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT IS LOGICALLY AND MORALLY INVALID UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN GOD, HINDUISM, OR BUDDHISM, pick one because those are the most compatible faiths that have yet to have the tradition killed. Otherwise your entire conception of philosophy is invalid, because transcending self interest is transcending nature, and your beliefs are thus supernatural.
The idea of goodness outside of simple biological imperative is the idea of a supernatural good and I must remind you that the entireity of european philosophy up until postmodernism was built on a religious base. It was assumed everyone would be religious.
I would say that everyone still is religious.
Not really. The most successful and powerful nation in the world, with the largest share of the human population of any one country, is atheist. As are the only socially stable nations in europe.
Religion is nonfunctional past the scale of a tribal or feudal society. It results in birthrates so high that it harms society and people who are afraid to self terminate when it makes darwinian sense. Among other things. Like resources wasted pursuing a supernatural AKA delusional idea of good.
religion doesnt necessitate worship of a deity
Worship of the self is what we have today. LGBT is literally a state sanctioned self worship cult. Think about it for a second... It really is
it has a caste system (progressive stack), original sin (being straight/white/male/normal), congregations (drag time story hour and discord servers), religious garb (aberrant hair colors and cross dressing), and ritual rebirth (transitioning and acquiring a new identity), among other things.
>religion doesn't necessitate religion
The most primitive form of a deity is a god-king or a class of living gods. Think about it.
>Why should we survive?
Try not surviving and get back to us. I'm sure it's so much less important than being right "because goodness is good because surely it is and being consistently good is good because that makes me good because it does ok, you should be good because being good is good *try not to say god challenge: passed*" - deontologists.
You are also on the level of a teen - alt-righter who is probably a repressed homosexual and posts lo fi greek statue memes on telegram. Bro. Le moral duty. Lmao.
Who cares about what the right thing to do is? This comes into play 1: when your "right" makes you unavailable or spends what is someone elses 2: when you start telling other people how to treat kittens and how to sacrifice and spend resources for that, because then your kitten fricking affects me. And vegans define their existence by telling other people what to do and disrupting animal agriculture, making it increasingly obvious that China got morality right while the west was horribly wrong from the start. The west is self destructing, the east is self constructing.
>The most primitive form of a deity is a god-king or a class of living gods
This is wrong, the most primitive form of deity is a talking animal.
>implying humans were not the OG talking animals
the problem with western thought is it's entirely based on the pre-literate ramblings of weed smoking indo-iranians.
Semi-off topic but I imagine that the first human that ever got killed by a Smilodon probably thought they were looking at a literal demon
Demons and gods in primal religions are the same. Everything bigger and stronger than you is both awesome and awful.
This is an anthropological truth, tho. Talking animals are like the bow or spear of fiction, its as close to a universal concept to humanity as you get.
humans were not the OG talking animals
No, reason and language was specifically a divine trait and one which seperated humanity from animals even amongst ancient civilizations. The first proto-scientific definition of life, Aristotle's theory of the soul was pretty much identical to the one we use in biology right now with the exception that it made rationality and language a specific "tier" (the highest) of the soul which was that characteristic of the Gods and of Humans. So humans were already recognized as being half-divine themselves, and animals that could talk were the same, if not actual Gods.
>Try not surviving and get back to us. '
Plenty of people commit suicide. Why don't YOU go live in hellish conditions and get back to US about how survival at all costs is the only moral good.
>I'm sure it's so much less important than being right "because goodness is good because surely it is and being consistently good is good because that makes me good because it does ok, you should be good because being good is good *try not to say god challenge: passed*" - deontologists.
lmao, butthurt atheist detected. I was right on with the Sam Harris remark. Deontology != divine command theory.
You should read some real philosophy books instead of wanking off to the Moral Landscape.
>Plenty of people commit suicide
Whatever moral good they believed was more important died with them. Good riddance to the wrong and weak.
>Why don't YOU go live in hellish conditions
What, you mean like every ancestor you had up until this point and 80% of humanity?
Do you know how you define hellish? Conditions that are less friendly to survival. If your goal is survival you will make your conditions friendlier.
>it's not divine command theory
Then WHERE in the real world does the cause to be "good" come from? Nowhere. Bye.
>Whatever moral good they believed was more important died with them. Good riddance to the wrong and weak.
But I thought survival was so self evident that everything else was irrelevant. If people commit suicide, that implies there is some condition that reverses survival instincts and leads one to self-terminate.
>What, you mean like every ancestor you had up until this point and 80% of humanity?
No, I don't think "every ancestor you had" lived in "hellish conditions". If you go back into the historical record, people lived quite comfortably. Not to the same living standards we did, but they were comfortable with their position in life. This doesn't prove that survival is the only and ultimate good, in fact it implies that humans strive towards things OTHER than survival. Miserable people living in miserable conditions tend to die out.
>Then WHERE in the real world does the cause to be "good" come from? Nowhere. Bye.
Lmao. Sam Harris homosexual 100% confirmed.
>If people commit suicide, that implies there is some condition that reverses survival instincts and leads one to self-terminate.
its called a mental illness, because your conscious mind relies on an irrational feedback loop to operate and gets stuck sometimes. the risk for this is, in fact, genetic.
>Why don't YOU go live in hellish conditions
Actually the populations with highest standards of living are the ones where suicide is most common. In lets say concentration camps suicides weren't actually common. If you fight for survival giving up is not on your mind.
truly they are alienated from the closest thing to a purpose they ever had, the biological imperative to stay alive.
meat robots at the end of their program
philosophical religious people are peak midwit
rather than follow scripture as written which actually works pretty well they turn into deists and gnostics who waste time arguing about the morality of predation while atheists and christians alike eat.
I mean, ultimately, you are on the equivalent of a teen nihilism kick except replace nihilism with a fifth grade understanding of natural selection and selfish genes. it's not even so much that you're wrong, like sure, all constructs and structures need to be able to reproduce themselves across time or else they cease to exist and this applies to the self as much as anything else. the gnon abides and all that. But mostly it's just that you're fricking boring and feel thr need to expend multi paragraphs of effort to autistically shove home the same point over and over again.
I mean I can get up right now and adopt a kitten if I want to, because I think it's the right thing to do. Like I can absolutely do that and I can absolutely think the way I do about why I'm doing it. That's an action in accordance with my own sense of morals, the sense exists, the action exists, they all exist in spite of it not benefitting my survival odds or reproduction chance. So I am not really even sure what you're trying to say or prove when you say my shit is invalid, other than the basic b***h point that you disagree with me about how to treat kittens.
Ah. Erroneous response process.
>we're partitioning again
From a cultural point of view, no doubt. But from a system-wide perspective, unity has never been greater and it will only grow.
>regression
I don't think there is any regression in nature, only a different path. But I understand the term and the idea behind it.
>"if someone hears something wrong too many times they can gradually come to accept It as fact"
That's the idea. The simple fact that this idea is repeated and that it is believed is in some way proof of this. Funny, isn't it?
>a man has unlimited sperm cells
Not anymore.
> I'm also on a time limit
Like everything.
> any post could be one from gpt haha
I'm human do not worry.
>gotta stay positive
That's a good thing.
One of the hard parts of life is always being better than yourself. Remember this, however, no matter how many times you fall, you have only truly failed the moment you choose not to get up again.
>People tend to care more about appearing smart/right/morally superior
Yes, it is an affliction which unfortunately touches me also. But I'm working on it
>Looking up rev)
I do not understand this sentence
>if you got more on this I'm all ears
Look up "The genetic basis of sexual dimorphism in birds"
Looking up rev was the maximum amount of letters I could use by that point for "I'm looking up SSD reversal" I had to shorten It before deciding to make another post on It
Miss the time when Wauf would unite to engage in tomfoolery against these idiots, now I'm too lazy just to read the thread
Relatable, I'm too lazy to finish this messa
They should get more attention, fake or real, it will be hilarious
Reminder, vegans are inferior
They are rats ripe for conquering by meat eating chads and always will be. Their diet is fragile and their minds moreso. The first sign of hardship destroys them.
>1000 AD~
>chinese are diminutive, frail, and have rotted teeth. subsist on grains and vegetables
>mongols by comparison are herculean giants, the picture perfect alpha of the asiatic races
>they thrived on a diet with a high content of animal flesh and fat
Obviously this will go nowhere, but what's scary is that there are people who think predation is an epidemic that can be eliminated. Or they even go so far as to believe that just because an animal species is omnivorous, it means that species can live without meat even if meat takes up a significant portion of its diet. Like what they're trying to meme with dogs right now.
> "At the moment we are accumulating funds for publicity and podcasting equipment, but we later hope to hire researchers."
lel.
priorities.
"This is stupid look at how stupid this is do you think this is stupid let me share how stupid this is look at it, talk about it, don't you think this is stupid?"
Nothing is stupid in the postmodern era or the commercial market for clicks, likes, subscriptions, follows, comments and links.
It's either proftable or it's not.
The more outrageous something is, the more likely it will be profitable.
The more money you make off of outrage, fear, lust, envy, hate, the more money you have.
The only thing stopping some children's show from purposely releasing an episode where a celebrity performs a mass shooting while high on meth to teach kids about flat earth theory is that it wouldn't be profitable.
Limbic Capitalism doesn't care about sensibility or dececncy.
Please stop engaging it, distributing it, reacting to it, shit like this exists because it works.
The only purpose it has is to generate "High Arousal Emotions".
Stop giving your feelings up to it.
You are an unpaid data entry worker that is being tricked into being used.
*Decency
This is where its at, yes. Look at garten of banban, a "game" copying "horror for kids" youtube famous games like poppy play time. Now without the utter moronation and sheepishness that consumes the internet today, this cheap knock off of a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off game would never go further than a dusty corner in the google play store, but youtube "content creators" couldn't let that happen, which if you haven't guessed yet was the intention of those behind the game. There are THOUSANDS of videos of moronic zoomers who think they have anything at all over thousand other copies of their shitty commentary channels, eagerly telling us about how garten of banban is sooooo bad and how you really really need to care about it. All the while they are completely oblivious that they are directly contributing to ban ban's successful viral marketing campaign. Now that shit is a household name, and its merchandise is probably in the homes of most children. People are so fricking oblivious it's unreal
This is the funniest twatter account I've ever seen. Are we sure this isn't satire? There's no way people can be this moronic, right?
Animals do not have feelings or rights
We love them because they are gods creation and a glorification of his greatness not because they are people. An animal does not suffer, it nocicepts, and an animals screams are nothing more than an automated alert mechanism. They were not given free will or a soul by god. Marvel at and study god's creation but do not mistake it for yourself, for only you were created in his image.
/thread
This is peak hubris, this is feeling like you get to play god just because you have an opinion. Veganism is a mental illness and is as detached from nature as feedlot beef.
>we could have been in a domesticated cheetah timeline
>instead we're in a vegans actually coalesce to exterminate predation timeline
This fricking sucks.
>>we could have been in a domesticated cheetah timeline
There's still time anon, don't let your dreams be memes
Imagine being so harm averse you want to destroy nature and populate it with meat robots to avoid the deaths of animals whose only role in an ecosystem is to provide food for something else
Imagine thinking literally every animal being herbivorous wouldn't devastate an ecosystem as herd animal populations explode, plains and forest get stripped bare, and bodies from accidental death and illness rot everywhere uneaten. And that's not taking the impact on human food production into account either.
This is actually more moronic than china's four pests campaign, and that was pretty fricking moronic.
Nothing's "role' in an ecosystem is to "provide food". Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes through agricultural monoculture, which has resulted in the extinction of untold numbers of native crops through disease and deforestation. Originally herbivore species turn to predation to survive.
Name one, schizzo.
>bears (eat berries and leafy greens unless none are available, which is increasingly common. Prior to the 20th century, there were no recorded examples of bears eating fish; now it is a common occurrence among all bear species)
>dogs (originally ate simple grains that became extinct in the wild due to human farming, stayed near humans to consume grains and was eventually forced to subsist on meat)
>pigs (will eat mushrooms and tubers unless none are available, at which point they become ravenous predators)
>crocodiles (originally ate certain kinds of fruit that became extinct due to human overexploitation)
>chickens (prefer grains, will only hunt insects if starving)
That's five.
>Chickens
Mine will kick over their grain feeder in pursuit of a grasshopper. They eat grain only in moderation unless nothing else is available, they prefer insects and forbs over all other fodder.
This is possibly the most moronic thing I have ever read. bone fragments have been found in the fossils of crocodiles and their ancestors, bears, and wolves. Many of these fossils predate humans. Really goes to show that a vegoid diet really does have terrible consequences on brain function.
oh, this is fun! do sharks next! what fruits and berries did great whites eat before humans destroyed the aquaculture?
Many people don't know, but coconuts used to be far more common before human intervention. Their main reproductive cycle used the sea currents as dispersion methods. Sharks and other big sea animals used to eat those and carry the seeds even further away, like birds do with fruit. It's why the coconut is so hard - it was designed for the mouth of a great white to break, not puny human hands.
Unfortunately, with the devastation of the natural beach habitat for creating human leisure space, sharks have been forced to kill their sea brethren out of hunger. Truly a tragedy.
You're trolling, right?
you are pretty good at making these sound genuine kek
>Bears
Prefer meat if available
>Dogs
Dogs are primarily carnivorous and are still unable to subsist entirely upon grain despite evolving additional repeats of a gene that codes for amylase. Dogs are obligate carnivores, not omnivores. I'm sure with enough supplements you can make a vegan cat too, but that's just attempting to synthesize meat.
>Pigs
Prefer meat whenever available
>Crocodiles
Have eaten meat since before mammals exist
>Chickens
Prefer meat if available
Before the era of agriculture, there was an animal called the Moronodon. It was a ferocious predator that did not hesitate to attack humans.
But deforestation ended up completely destroying its habitat and causing its extinction. Without this essential predator to maintain the balance of the prehistoric ecosystem, humans multiplied very quickly and caused even more damage.
Since then, humanity has paid for the eradication of this majestic animal.
Because his diet consisted mainly of morons.
Human populations were never limited by predation because we were ALWAYS an apex predator. They were limited by prey availability. Any predation was mutual.
What threw it off was agriculture, because herbivory equals unlimited reproduction. Humans are not meant to be grazers or browsers. Humans ARE PREDATORS that NEED MEAT TO LIVE and any lifestyle outside of this is bad for the planet because it is outside the parameters of our species, like a car running still in a garage or a fusion reaction outside of its reactor
Yes.
On an unrelated note, be careful of the Missthejokesuchus in your area, anon...
I live in the Pacific Northwest, there are no large reptiles around here.
You've clearly never ran into my mother in law
It has been a while since I last went to the zoo. My condolences.
>Lines up with tales of the Sphinx and other myths of big cats that prey on fools
I believe this now.
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes
>Originally herbivore species turn to predation to survive
>carnivores didn't exist before agriculture
>carnivores didn't before humans
>predation doesn't happen at a microscopic level
Jesus frick, nobody could be this fricking stupid.
This has to be bait. Shitty bait at that
Surely you jest.
Here's what sharks are supposed to look like.
It eats millions of zooplankton.
So at what scale does an animal's life not matter?
It doesn't eat zooplankton, it eats phytoplankton. Zooplankton exit through the gills.
You're not fooling anyone, bloodmouth.
https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Rhincodon_typus/
Not just plankton apparently.
Thanks for making me check, disingenuous Black person.
>it doesn't eat animal A, it eats animal B, checkmate animal eater
>what sharks are supposed to look like
so why do great whites look the way they do? are they GMOs?
He is a troll or a someone that has lost most braincells to veganism, either case its not worth the discussion.
The sharp teeth in many sharks were originally used to scrape off algae.
Oooh, New animaljak
neat
>DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the coral reef
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes
the superlative, or highest form of laughter
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes
You’re one of those “herbivorize predator” bozos, aren’t you? Sigh. If we are talking predation IN GENERAL, then let me explain this to you.
Predation has existed for billions of years in microbial species and multicellular lifeforms far before humans existed or “intervened”. Predation is a natural process. Animals became predatory billions of years ago because the consumption of other animals instead of plants is an evolutionary adaptation that was extremely beneficial.
We are eukaryotes due to predation. Mitochondria and chlorophyll exist due to predation.
Predation isn’t due to humans, it’s due to an evolutionary adaptation that has benefited creatures for millions and billions of years to come. Cry about it, loser.
>Predation has existed for billions of years in microbial species and multicellular lifeforms far before humans existed or “intervened”.
According to who? The meat packing industry?
>Predation is a natural process.
It is by definition unnatural and immoral.
>Animals became predatory billions of years ago because the consumption of other animals instead of plants is an evolutionary adaptation that was extremely beneficial.
All life on Earth has been completely herbivorous until the past 100,000 years. Any honest good faith study of fossilized animal life will reveal that supposedly "canine teeth" actually were used to strip tough foliage off of branches. We see the same kinds of teeth in both sauropods and theropods. The whole notion of a "predatory dinosaur" comes from Richard Owen's moronic interpretation of Megalosaurus as carnivorous, through no evidence but comparative anatomy to animals who had been driven to a carnivorous in the modern day. It was no different than any other of his stupid opinions, like dinosaurs lacking feathers.
>We are eukaryotes due to predation. Mitochondria and chlorophyll exist due to predation.
Symbiosis is not predation. How does it feel to fail basic biology?
>Predation isn’t due to humans, it’s due to an evolutionary adaptation that has benefited creatures for millions and billions of years to come
If that were true then all life on Earth would be extinct from eating itself.
This is the most powerful poster on Wauf. Could he fight the paleoschizo?
I'm laughing so hard, I want them both in an octogone wearing boxing gloves with the express right to cheat with the gloves as I expect neither to be physically fit lmao
Explain venom.
Also where do parasites fit in this scheme?
"Venom" in and of itself is a wholly misunderstood concept. Everything has "venom", it's your pre-digestive juices. Which, btw, in Humans break down starches, and in other creatures break down tough plant matter. To something made out of bread, Humans are "venomous" - spitting their equivalent of Xenomorph acid. But obviously just because certain digestive chemicals in the body CAN be poisonous to other creatures doesn't imply that's what they are necessarily for. Rather than assume Humans ate the bread people to extinction, you should understand that Human saliva exists to break down plant matter - just like all other animals.
>parasites
Symbiosis gone wrong. Another example of the widespread effects of Human interference.
>Everything has "venom", it's your pre-digestive juices.
That's not, at all, how venoms works.
You must be asian.
You are an actual moron
This is what a wikipedia level education does to whites
I'd recommend maybe a bit of fruit from time to time. You're clearly undergoing the effects of diabetic mood swings, probably from your meat based diet.
I don't eat meat.
This is a glowBlack person and he needs his entire family slaughtered.
>All life on Earth has been completely herbivorous until the past 100,000 years. Any honest good faith study of fossilized animal life will reveal that supposedly "canine teeth" actually were used to strip tough foliage off of branches.
Proof? Source? Evidence? Who the frick could fall for this level of bait
Imagine being so stupid that you fall for this obvious b8
You are extremely moronic.
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes
I'm pretty sure this was in the bible somewhere.
The part where God himself allowed people to eat meat because post flood Earth got winters update.
Your role is to be my dog's food. I'm going to cut you up and feed you to Buttercup the nanny dog.
>atheists reinvent garden of eden story and the fall of man
WEW
Your world view is a knockoff of Christianity, but without the hope of life beyond death or a means to salvation
>Predation is the result of Humanity interfering in natural processes
He's just carrying that injured creature to the nearest hospital/salad bar.
This is the most smoothbrained take on this entire website INCLUDING /misc/
morons. Wait until someone points out, oh I don't know, maybe something along the lines of the entire fricking ocean?
Isn't this the plot of that dinosaur robot game on playstation nobody plays
The fleas were responsible for the Plague, fleas are PREDATORS of rats. The rats were victims and died from the plague too.
Fleas are parasites that live on a prey species.
>prey species goes unchecked
>said parasites go unchecked as well
keep your antisemitism on pol
>fleas are PREDATORS of rats
Are you aware that feeding of something without killing is not predation? What the frick are they teaching zoomers this days.
It’s amazing how people can state the dumbest things with the utmost confidence
There is no evidence to suggest a culling of cats causes the black death. The bubonic plague ravaged every single civilization it passed through, and most of them had cats/didnt have rat problems. Humans spread the plague, not rats or fleas.
please don't search "four pests campaign" on wikipedia please! PLEASE DONT DO IT!
Famine and plague are two very different things, moron. The bubonic plague ravaged China first, then the middle east, and was then brought from the middle east by Mongol invaders. Niether the niddle east nor China had rat infestation at the time of the blsck death. Its spread was encouraged by famine and strife due to the Mongol conquests.
Anyone know what species the bottom right in this pic are?
Head shape and pattern isn't usual for brown rat but they can vary just from canal to city centre in a city do I've no idea.
These people are so deeply out of touch with reality its insane.
>life develops empathy to the point that it can no longer knowingly abide the suffering of other life
>devises new form of life to suffer in it's stead
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
>Let's just make wild animals eat trash meat robots
>that'll stop the deaths 😀
What?
were reaching levels of vegan moronation never thought possible
This seems like an elaborate scheme to make fun of vegans.
it's very real, even if their social media suggest otherwise
https://www.herbivorizepredators.org/blog/herbivorize-predators-appears-in-new-scientist
Thank christ this won't last more than a decade and these wackos lolely won't reproduce
Likely*
Someone should eat these morons to prove a point
Nah, everything in the modern age is fake until proven gay. Every single thing released to the public at this point is a CIA op meant to protect the money of childfrickers. Vegetarianism is VERY bad for business. Meat is HUGE business and ranchers specifically have absolutely fricking absurd lobbying power in america.
>ranchers specifically have absolutely fricking absurd lobbying power in america.
They hardly even need to lobby. All they need to do is hire a guy to ask politicians
>do you like eating meat?
99% of politicians will say yes, they do
and so they say "then vote that way"
and the politician says
>well yeah obviously, but how about you take me out to a steak dinner
I mean this has got to be the easiest lobbing there is.
One of the problems with modern society is that satire and sincerity are approaching unity. That bud light troony for instance. Late last year someone sent me one of shim’s videos and they were doing a vlog about living as a woman, and the things it was talking about doing made it sound like a bad cartoon sitcom character designed to mock women (writing angry letters you don’t intend to send, etc). But apparently that’s just what that failed man thinks being a woman entails.
>This seems like an elaborate scheme to make fun of vegans.
bet there's an aussie behind it
If it wasn't so ridiculously fantastical, it would kinda be noble. It's the extreme version of prolife.
Uhh did the animals consent to these diet changes? I don't think so sweetie
He's obviously trying to scam vegans. Those donations go straight into his personal bank account.
Satanic monsters.