Theoretically how many thousands of years of selective breeding would it take to create viable canine mounts?
Theoretically how many thousands of years of selective breeding would it take to create viable canine mounts?
Theoretically how many thousands of years of selective breeding would it take to create viable canine mounts?
How about we do that but also make humans lighter and smaller as well
why are all human mounts grazing herbivores anyway
oh wait, i forgot the ostriches. I guess they don't count because they were only domesticated a few decades before automobiles became a thing
You wanna try taming a grizzly bear to ride be my guest.
Just go to Russia
Reliable, cheap food that humans themselves can't necessarily eat, so less opportunity cost. Especially important for anything big enough to ride. Though one potential advantage of predators is that they tend to be calmer, less jumpy, easier to have a reliable working relationship with.
can we reverse breed the epicyon back into life like some are trying to do to revive the auroch?
I don't get why we never tried to tame moose for riding and draft work myself. Surely it would have only taken a few generations to get blood lines docile enough right?
They have lots of time in several locations, Russia tried it, Fins tried it and Canada tried it.
Mostly moose don’t do well at high density and will die from high parasite load, also the Russian farms tried free ranging them but as soon as you kill one they all disappear.
Why would you want to do that when there are so many other species that could be adapted for riding so much faster?
canines already mount white women
Last and First men has a cool mount developed from the arctic fox during the Third Men
You can halve the time by breeding humans to be smaller at the same time
Frick that, I want armoured rhino mounts.
Too bad they're complete fricking morons and are impossible to train.
Elephants are probably the better option due to being more social and higher intelligence but all the lineages that had at least some level of "tameness" to them are probably exstinct now. We'd have to start from scratch and also make them less skittishly violent.
Asian elephants still have tame lineages.
Don't elephants have a period of time every year when a liquid starts leaking from a hole in their heads and they become irrational and violent?
Yes, it's called musth. Only happens to males, though.
Yes Elephant handlers will usually tie up and seperate a male that's in musth and force them into a fast. The musth ends early when they go without food. There's also the potential option of singling out the males than have shorter and less aggressive musth periods to try and breed it out of them.
Aren't rhinos already closely related to horses?
Yes they are but sadly that doesn't mean they have the same potential to be tamed, it would probably take actual thousands of years to come with a tameable lineage.
Called bears
30,000 years if you really put effort into it.
Thousands of years? homie we turned wolves into puggles in like, 50 years. We've systematically ruined the bully breeds in the past 10 years. It won't take that long to breed a larger-than-normal dog.
larger-than-normal-non-functional dog
another this is dog breeders are usually just a few passionate weirdies, it if 10000 people laser focused on the same goal and funding and materials weren't an issue, you'd probably have rideable dogs in a decade or two
How much selective breeding to BECOME the wolf?
You want to be ridden?
Yes
no matter how big you make them this kind of extensive bone remodeling takes tens of millions to happen naturally. as is their backs would collapse within a few years even if they were large enough.
Could probably be done much more quickly with genetic engineering. The bigger problem would be how do you keep a canine large and powerful enough to be ridden from ripping you to absolute shreds the moment you piss it off or try to make it do something it doesn't want to do?
Muzzles and whips.
Be their friend
Even wolves are friendly and benignly stubborn animals. They don't attack their owners unless beaten/raped.
This. You'd also have to breed for temperament.
No. Whipping a dire wolf riding hound or whatever you want to call it seems like a really, REALLY bad idea.
were dires big enough to be rideable? i thought they were only slightly bigger than a grey wolf
Same way you get a normal dog to do anything
>genetic engineering
while you’re there modify them to run on plant matter, carnivores are expensive to maintain
We already have those, they're called horses.
>The bigger problem would be how do you keep a canine large and powerful enough to be ridden from ripping you to absolute shreds the moment you piss it off or try to make it do something it doesn't want to do?
Same way we did with horses? They could easily kill you too.
Can't be that far off. I rode my Saint Bernard like a horse all the time as a kid and he never had any back or hip issues.
I vaguely remember a guy in the early 2000s that had a website dedicated to this. Dog rider society or something like that. Guarantee it was some kind of sexual fetish for him with how obsessive he was over it and how many pictures he'd collected of kids riding dogs. Shit was creepy as frick.
I know the guy you're talking about. He was investigated for animal cruelty and cp but nothing ever came of it sadly.
>sadly
What went wrong in your life that you're disappointed he didn't rape kids and animals
I'm disappointed he didn't get charged with anything. The pics he had should have counted as soft core cp because he used them for personal sexual gratification. He went out of his way to ask people in his yahoo chat for pictures of their kids riding their dogs and would try to goad them into it when they expressed discomfort. Dude was a total fricking creep and I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's doing terrible things to dogs or kids behind closed doors to this day.
>the court should have grossly abused its powers to hurt an innocent
>because I didn't like that guy
Least deranged amerishart
Ok, Tim.
>He asked people for pictures of mundane things but my brain has been damaged by Twitter so I know it was sexual and he was definitely abusing kids and animals despite there being 0 evidence after an investigation, so we should just lock him up.
jfc anon, you might be the one who belongs in a cage.
Black person there are literally "dog riding fetish" groups on vk and telegram where he's posted the same material and even worse. Do your own goddamn research on the guy. Not giving his name here due to rules on doxing but it's simple enough to find by researching the old "dog riders society" website. I've been trying to take these perverts down for YEARS but they've gotten good at covering their tracks.
Well frick me, that's a rabbit hole I didn't need to know existed.
>do your own goddamn research
>also you won't find anything becauze they covered their tracks
>but you must still trust my word on it, else you're one of those child rapists
Mental ward/10
>spoon feed me by posting material that will get you banned even though you told me exactly where it can be found or you belong in a mental ward
Imagine being this absolutely moronic. Nobody said you had to trust their word. Nobody said you wouldn't find anything. You were told exactly where the material is hosted. VK and Telegram are both hosted in Russia, therefore the data is beyond the reach of American authorities without expending significant effort to earn those users trust. Even then, there's no way to confirm their identity unless they explicitly hand it over. That's how they cover their tracks. No law enforcement agency is going to give enough of a shit to pursue this when they have more important shit to expend their limited resources on like human trafficking. Also nobody said they were child rapists you fricking moron, you should really work on not having the reading comprehension skills of a fricking goldfish. The fact that they're images with children in them that exist for the purpose of sexual gratification is enough to label them degenerate perverts. Also ANY depictions of dogs being ridden are animal abuse period because you CANNOT ride a dog without harming it. They also share videos from an old Yahoo group called "Napoleon riding cult" with full grown adult women riding dogs. This is literally fetish material that exists for no other reason than people getting their rocks off.
This is part of a wider "hard riding" fetishist group on those platforms. It's mostly horses and donkeys but they also have a lot of material of animals way too small for riding like dogs, goats, and sheep. The fetish is focused on the act of riding and sadism that goes along with it (extreme whipping and spurring of the animals, riding animals too small to be ridden without hurting them, etc). A large volume of the material comes from countries like China and South American countries that have little to no animal protection laws. This is by no means a "personal army" request, but this is absolutely a thing that exists and is quite prolific.
Man, I'm willing to believe that there's people with really odd fetishes on the internet, we've all seen our fair share of those.
What I'm not willing to believe is your story: we've only heard your side of it, and even that one didn't make you look good or sane.
Hell, you even accused one random anon of being this "Tim" you're obsessed with, that's textbook schizo shit.
And it doesn't matter how much you tell people to do their research, when this whole conversation started with you dismissing the police's research because it didn't confirm your beliefs.
TL DR take your fricking meds and/or have a nice day.
NTA but you're trying awful hard to defend these perverts if you're not into it yourself. If you don't have a personal stake in this why reply at all?
Doesn't that just mean he wasn't into that stuff then?
"We haven't found any evidence that this guy was abusing animals or into children.... Clearly the investigation went wrong."
Fricking geniuses on this site.
That guy was probably more well-adjusted than the people who use this website for the topic it was created for.
Not being a giant and not being fat really helps. I can see adults that barely break 5 feet tall being able to ride large dogs like a Great Dane.
>how do you keep a canine large and powerful enough to be ridden from ripping you to absolute shreds
Dog treats, belly rubs, telling doggo on how doggo is such a good doggo and let it bark at homos, trannies, and unwanted minorities.
Basically the same way you raise any good doggo.