Has anyone else noticed this? I was browsing large bird species and saw that it referred to ostriches as "The largest living species of dinosaur" and found pic related from another link.
What the frick is wrong with these people that they see a bird of literally any kind and start calling it a dinosaur? it's like people who refer to T-rex as "giant chickens" or try to argue hat ALL dinos had feathers. It's so cringe and just reeks of reddit "science" from morons who who just watch yutube essays and don't listen to actual paleontologists who have been arguing against these things forever. i even edited the ostrich article to remove the statement that they are dinosaurs. If anything is a fricking living dinosaur it's a crocodile, not a God damn ratite.
>jewpedia
>science
You are the one at fault here, Anon.
>If anything is a fricking living dinosaur it's a crocodile, not a God damn ratite.
This is either bait or an actual lead poisoned boomer
Behold, the largest theropod of it's time.
You went to a page about largest dinosaurs and then complained it listed the largest living dinosaur. What did you expect would happen?
Does this mean whales ARE in fact fish?
This is a 100% serious question.
Whales are technically fish. In technical discussions, they are literally lobe finned fish. So are all mammals.
yes, it also means that insects are arachnids
mollusks are annelids
A certain type of fish yes. Anything with a backbone is technically more related to a teleost fish than teleost fish are to cartilaginous or jawless fish. Splitting even further, out of the jawless fish, hagfish can potentially get out of being labeled as fish or even vertebrates since they don’t have vertebrae.
oh my god shut the frick up homosexual
birds are dinosaurs get over it
you have a fricking 4 year old's understanding of taxonomy.
No, they're not and they never will be. You can scream this all you want, but it can never be true. Of the set of homosexuals, (You) is a subset, however.
they literally are though
>i even edited the ostrich article to remove the statement that they are dinosaurs.
wikiban incoming
Fascinating jannies felt the need to delete this one post:
https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4734422/#q4735684
Your post was found to be evolutionarily unfit.
That’s a question with quite a long winded answer, one not wholly appropriate here, but let’s just say they’re acting in complete accordance with what their religion tells them
Why would they kill the global south
This is really interesting and it's starting to open my eyes, but I do have to ask,
To what end are they doing all this? And who exactly is the, specifically?
He's a known troll, hide thread and move on.
@4735426
don’t respond to me maggot it was funny it’s not that serious
Threadly Reminder that cladism started in the 60s (probably by the CIA) as a way to undermine Linnaean taxonomy with "subjective" standards of classification and everyone in mainstream STEM these days is a midwit moron that just does whatever they're told.
Hmm that does sound like them, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time they helped to tear down ‘traditional’ modes of thought and replace it with nonsense that makes no sense if you think about it for more than 5 minutes.
Since the vaccine holocaust science is just a sick (insider) joke anyway
>Technically, the bee hummingbird is a dinosaur itself, as all modern living birds are, making the new species the smallest extinct dinosaur.
That's your science.
I have determined from this thread that paleo-science is fricking moronic and I'm hopping off the evolution train
Threads discussing dinosaurs should be an instant 2 week-long ban at this point.
Taxonomically birds are a subgroup of dinosaurs, specifically a subgroup of dromaeosauridae
>If anything is a fricking living dinosaur it's a crocodile
Crocodillians are archosaurs (the stem group all lizards, crocodiles, alligators, caiman, dinosaurs and snakes belong to), but not dinosaurs
>archosaurs (the stem group all lizards, crocodiles, alligators, caiman, dinosaurs and snakes belong to)
>lizards
>snakes
kek'd
Truly, a sickening example of squamate erasure.
>Birds are ancient why do you take issue with their evolution being greater than ours? Let me guess its your religion that says you are more complex huh? But you aren't are you? Birds every single one of them is more complex than you and that upsets your low iq religious brain huh?
I'd hate to be an animal like that.
Holy shit its an orthodox priest
e-girlng at your life miserable reprobate. Enjoy hell yuo reprobate troony homosexual
>Get BTFO
>Well w-w-well! An atheist is fat! So that's all of you!
Not only are for more christians fatter, dumber, and uglier (it's called florida and texas), you mistake morally directionless anti-christians AKA laveyan satanists for all atheists.
An atheist is anyone who does not believe in a god. There are entire religions, ones more successful than yours that don't get their holy sites struck by lightning or their peoples plunged into pointless wars over a strip of desert every 5 years, that do not believe in any gods. Coincidentally, such a religion is in far better harmony with science (also known as "observable, provable facts") than anything abrahamic (cults that have grown men chop up young boys penises).
>Zen and science are both based upon empirical observations of the world.
>Zen and science both tell us that there is no separation between humans and the world around us.
>The Buddha taught that everything is connected and constantly changing. These fundamental observations of the world are shared by ecology and evolution.
The more you like animals and nature, the more you are obligated to be a buddhist.
Where is that one based schizo who calls creator "gods" lying demons when we need him?
most groomed atheist
Birds are ancient why do you take issue with their evolution being greater than ours? Let me guess its your religion that says you are more complex huh? But you aren't are you? Birds every single one of them is more complex than you and that upsets your low iq religious brain huh?
>thread about dinos
>half of it is about trannies
Every single troon should be thrown into an active volcanoe
Finally something we can all agree on!
Yeah
its the ritual humiliation of dinosaurs as a way of attacking masculinity. ultimately their goal is the destruction of all traditional forms of human identity (race, gender, family) in order to gain better control so they can herd us into depopulation camps where they can fake singularity/transcendence and can trick us into believing we're getting to upload our consciousness into a paradise simulation information system when in reality they're just going to euthanize you and use chatbots trained on all of the text you've ever written to emulate you and use them as a pied piper to lead more fools to the slaughter. furthermore they will genetically engineer and eugenically select the remaining humans in 'meatspace' until they are the most servile curs imaginable, completely incapable of violence or revolution existing only to keep the machinery that allows them and theirs to exist in a biologically immortal state of material luxury for the rest of time, a sort of heaven on earth because the true heaven and closeness to God has been denied to them and they know it.
>masculinity
>dinosaurs
homosexual. Someone didnt get enough wedgies as a kid.
No one is building massive ai conspiracy to shoah you. If they really wanted you dead they would just remove FDA regulations.
There are chads that are capable to escape civilization and survive on their own in the wild. They willl do just fine and that’s what the very elite fears as fellow normalgays can follow suit.
To prevent this, global leaders will turn their respective parliaments into police states and are going directly murder chads that are rebellious by just leaving society. Then the elite will lure normalgays into these AI “concentration camps”, which is required to gradually remove FDA regulations as humanity won’t notice their individual freedom is taken away.
>There are chads that are capable to escape civilization and survive on their own in the wild. They willl do just fine and that’s what the very elite fears as fellow normalgays can follow suit.
Ah yes. The hobochads indeed are the only thing that satanic anglo-judeo-saxon globohomosexual fears.
it’s just judeo doebeit
>If they really wanted you dead they would just remove FDA regulations.
the FDA gives a shit about your health
>ugh, saying birds are dinosaurs is a way to destroy human male identity even though we are tiny mammals and not brianlet Lizards
you won't even make it to the meatspace selection with this attitude.
>ritual humiliation of dinosaurs as a way of attacking masculinity
Why is it only pussies like you who cry about masculinity "being attacked"? Real men just carry on doing their thing because nobody is stopping them.
I was being stoic in public while wearing cargo pants and a femboy tackled me and told me that all my favorite dinosaurs had feathers.
I have to report to the feminization station again or they'll cancel my gym membership.
It's hard being masculine these days.
That's brutal. Maybe that pussy was right and it really is happening. Oh well, we had a good run...
If us manly men really are finally going to go the way of the (non-avian) dinosaurs, we shouldn't cry about it. That would be unmanly.
Hello, real man here. Speaking the truth is what the strong do. It is the weak that feel the need to lie and subvert.
>men speak the truth
Me when I say birds are dinosaurs
Trannies can't ever be either sex. That's why saying "You will never be a woman." OR saying "You will never be a man." are both equally correct. They are eunuchs.
This. Pic related
Last part is true. But pretty sure it’s not democracy.
put me in the video erik
You should channel this autistic schizo energy into a science fiction novel
if paleoschizo was american he would have shot up a school by now
Are birds dinosaurs or are dinosaurs birds? I keep hearing it both ways. If the latter then are only theropods considered birds or are ceratopsians, sauropods, etc also considered birds?
birds are as related to dinosaurs as humans are related to whales
>Its feather-like integument is evidence for protofeathers being basal to Ornithischia and possibly Dinosauria as a whole, rather than just to Coelurosauria, as previously suspected.
Sorry, Anon, the feathers get the girl.
Birds are descendant from some dinosaurs specifically.
Snakes are squamates, putting them in the same order as lizards, but only some lizards became snakes.
Picrel, Kulindadromeus, is to birds what legless lizards are to snakes.
They're both dinosaurs and superficially similar, but Kulindadromeus took a very different evolutionary path.
Pic related. No Ornithischian has feathers.
Clearly different structures
Yes, these structures are "clearly different", but they're identical to "feathers", right, moron?
>things cannot look similar because... THEY JUST CANT, OKAY?!?!?! GAAAAH. I WILL FROTH AT THE MOUTH OTHERWISE111!!!!
Fricking moron.
Emperor's new clothes syndrome. There's a reason the goyim have come to learn israeli terms like "pilpul".
The cope is already over scalecel.
Psittacosaurus had a fricking brush in the tail Kek.
Basal feathers confirmed for archosauria beyond any doubt
birds are a subgroup of dinosaurs
>you liked______ as a kid, and you don't like *modern variant* that exists this day.
that's basically conservativism in a nutshell
First one, all birds are dinosaurs but not all dinosaurs are birds.
The absurdity of evolution religion is just surfacing itself.
They're different created kinds. Similar design doesn't mean common ancestry or biological relation. Look into irreducible complexity.
You're fricked in the head. You should talk to someone about the thoughts you've been having. Like your local sheriff's office perhaps.
All birds are theropods
But why is he so angry abiut dinosaurs? Specifically
Behold! The largest living fish, as per Osteichthyes!
>i even edited the ostrich article to remove the statement that they are dinosaurs.
lmao
Birds are literally dinosaurs. It's like saying humans are mammals.
Deal w/ it
You can't tell me these aren't dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs are reptiles, not birds. To claim that pic related and birds are the same thing is the height of midwittery.
>BUT BIRD HIPPED
Birds are ironically descended from lizard hipped dinosaurs. This is how absurd the whole argument is.
>Dinosaurs are reptiles, not birds.
Birds are Reptiles, too.
And the fact that you'd sooner call Crocodilians dinosaurs than birds shows that you disagree with modern cladistics for purely emotional reasons.
We get it, you liked the scary lizard monsters as a kid, and you don't like that only the small dinosaurs with feathers survived to this day.
So do you agree with this?
That whales are indeed fish due to them being Osteichthyes, of which all tetrapods are a subset?
Because this is how you frickers sound.
The error is to presume osteichthyes = fish. Besides fish is not a normal nor mobophiletic clasification
Saying birds are dinosaurs is no different from asserting whales are mammals
>nooo but mammals are not supossed to have no hair and have fins bwaahhhh
Thats not how it works.
Its not like dinosaurs evolved into birds. Birds just were one of the many clades of dinosaurs that existed in the cretaceous. They walk in two legs, have a straight coclea, are endotherm reptiles, have avemetatarsalian hips, have no external ears, are diapsid, lay calcified eggs, have zw reproductive gametes, etc. There isn't a way in which you could define a theropod and a sauropod as dinosaurs but exclude birds from the definition just like you cant say your second cousin is your family but your brother isnt.
Osteichthyes are literally bony fish. "Fish" is indeed colloquial, but what people usually refer to when they say that word is Osteichthyes. They certainly aren't talking about sharks, rays, and so on; they're talking about tuna, guppies, and so on.
This is like saying "Cicada the longest sleeping bugs because Hemiptera?", and then you're dumb ass chiming in with "UMM ACTUALLY 'BUGS' IS NOT A NORMAL OR MOBOPHILETIC CLASSIFICATION".
When we say "birds", we mean "aves". When we say "Dinosaur", we mean extinct reptiles NOT APART OF AVES.
Aves is a branch of dinosauria
No. If it is, then homonidae is a branch of reptilia and you MUST accept that reptiles are real because YES, even synapsids derive from reptiles, regardless of gnashing of teeth and wailing. The earliest synapsids have scales.
Yes it is.
And homonidae are indeed Primates.
No because reptilia are sauropsids while hominidae are synapsids
Though both are branches of aminiota
You just don't have any idea of how taxonomy works
>The earliest synapsids have scales.
Thats is not what define an animal as reptile
On what fricking planet do people not include sharks when they use the word “fish”?
This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is, it's a common thing scientists say and they don't try to hide or downplay it.
Yes all tetrapods are fish, welcome to the 20th century.
It's not something that's said "all the time". I remember when people were mocked for thinking whales were fish. This is nothing more than the slow erosion of language in favor of sciencism gobbledyasiatic.
Whales are mammals, not fish. Why? Because they have zero qualities of fish, regardless of whether they evolved from fish or not.
I remember when people would call orcas whales, and then people started saying "um, actually, orcas are dolphins", and now there's some push the other way with the idea that dolphins and orcas are classified as "toothed whales".
Language changes, and so do catagories.
This type of thing will continue to happen forever, so long as the world and ideas continue to change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
>Classification system changes
>most people forget because lol whatever
>THIS IS LIKE 1984
schizo
>we used to neatly categorize life on Earth based on shared traits, ecological niches, and other useful factors
>now everything is a prokaryote because everything evolved from that
Yeah, let's just make everything meaningless and have ever increasing lack of distinction between everything. That's a great idea.
>My brain is TOO TINY to handle this classification system I DONT UNDERSTAAAAND!
Thats ok, you're just dumb and can't hold more one thought in your mind at once
Everyone else gets it just fine. All whales are fish, but not all fish are whales.
I understand the classification system perfectly. The problem is sciencism insists on implementing it in ways that are obviously untrue.
>I understand the classification system perfectly.
lol'd
>"sciencism"
Facts-ism? Truth-ism? That's not the sick own you think it is.
It makes them fish in cladistics but not fish in vulgar speech. You are low IQ so you can't comprehend a different context having its own lingo.
This is 100% of the argument you have. You do not understand that terminology is used differently in scientific discourse than it is among laypeople who were educated last decade.
>It makes them fish in cladistics but not fish in vulgar speech.
This.
People have no problem understanding that while "True Bug" is a taxonomical order, "bug" in common speech can refer to literally anything that's small and has a shell.
It's only a problem for autistic midwits.
>Midwits
A midwit is mildly intelligent
This is just an eloquent idiot
Ah, the eternal midwit back on his (female) bullshit. "If you disagree with me it's simply because you don't understand". You're disagreed with because you're wrong, not because you're smart.
frick off homosexual
this post is nonsense, there is no idea, or implication of higher coherent thought to respond to, so here's the truth reiterated.
You literally do not understand this. Taxonomy and common speech use superficially similar vocabularies with different definitions.
Fish means two different things in two different contexts.
Bug means two different things in two different contexts.
Dinosaur means two different things in two different contexts. Some of your type (uneducated people) start out thinking pterosaurs, mosasaurs, and early synapsids are "dinosaurs" because "big old scaly thing". But that's not what dinosaur means in biology, just like bug has a narrower definition referring to a classification system.
if you do not understand this, or worse, think more educated people than you using more exacting language is "subverting common sense", you are genuinely too unintelligent to have a discussion with.
This is why English has the adverb "technically". It indicates that the following statement is to be taken in a purely academic context that strives for accuracy and logical coherency and rather than interpreted as folk-speech based on convenience and speedy communication over accurate classifications.
When you are speaking in a purely academic context, that adverb is unnecessary. Social convention is that all speech is "technically" unless otherwise stated.
You might have severe aspergers which would cause you to miss this just like aspies sometimes miss that common speech is NOT "technically"
hmm okay im not gonna read all that.
>pterosaurs
>scaly
Keep up gramps. 100% of pterosaurs had pycnofibers until proven otherwise.
You can still have shared traits and minute classifications.
We didn't get rid of the day or the hour when someone invented the concept of a millennium.
What is "obviously untrue" about whether something should be classified based on their lineage?
You know there's no "truth particle" that says we have to have a "dinosaur" category at all, right?
We humans make these sorting decisions, and right now, the consensus is that including birds in the "theropod" category is the most useful way of understanding and discussing their origins and anatomy.
>What is "obviously untrue" about whether something should be classified based on their lineage?
Not what I said. Calling a whale a Osteichthyes is perfectly fine, but that does not make them a 'fish' because Mammalia supersedes it. It's like how you may have genetics from your grandfather and maybe even his last name, but you're not your fricking Grandfather, now are you?
To add, treating the classification system as "older categories always supersedes newer categories" effectively creates a system that IGNORES evolution rather than recognizes it. We're all prokaryotes apparently, and we gotta factor in those worms we evolved from too. We're worms, fish, synapsids, rodents, tree shrews. By the time you get to things like 'primates', we're so many different 'things' that we may as well be all the others and not 'primates'. That's the problem with this outlook.
The fact is Humans are primates, not fish; whales are cetacea, not fish; and birds are aves, not dinosaurs. You want to call a bird a theropod, and I'm far more comfortable; but "dinosaur" means a very specific kind of organism, many of which WERE NOT theropods, let alone birds.
>By the time you get to things like 'primates', we're so many different 'things' that we may as well be all the others and not 'primates'. That's the problem with this outlook.
Why? How is this a problem?
>Dinosuar means a specific kind of organism
>That happens to include theropods
>Of which birds are a member
Literal fricking children have no problem understanding this but you can't get past your mistaken interpretation of dinosaur
"Fish" is not a true clade nor is it a valid toxonomic classification
Grouping organisms around mutual descent is actually an objective way of categorizing them unlike Linnaean taxonomy where you draw a bunch of arbitrary lines around unnatural categories. Phylogeny is actually quantifiable.
old system is now just vulgar speech classification like "all that crawls and is tiny and crunchy is a bug" because it was always moronic
the new system actually makes sense
you're starting to touch on why this guy actually hates it modern taxonomy: it expresses that evolution is and indisputable fact (it is.). paleoschizo is a young earth creationist and a prolific schizo on many other topics that shit up Wauf
at the end of the day he's going to just call you "paleoprostitute" (his alter ego's name) and start having a meltdown so save your breath and accelerate it. here are some of his known triggers:
>pitbulls are not dangerous
>dogs are smarter than cats
>dogs have the potential to be cleaner than cats, cats are always filthy
>cats do not and can not control pests, dogs can
>white women frick dogs
>cats are domesticated animals
>the coronavirus vaccine was safe and effective. significantly fewer people die with it than without it. getting covid is objectively more dangerous than getting the vaccine.
>water changes are unnecessary. the fish will be fine. stocking limits are fake and gay.
>the bible is made up
>humans are obligate carnivores
>predators are required for a fully functioning ecosystem
>hunters are essential to conservation
>trump lost 2020 fair and square. the election was legitimate.
>cerea is best girl
>keeping dogs as pets is distinctly aryan, keeping cats as pets is distinctly semitic
>dog owners are more likely to be married and more likely to have children
For me it's Miia
TEAM MIIA!
He’s not a YE Creationist he just finds common cause with them because he also has a rabidly emotional and politically derived objection to modern science as a concept.
I’m paleoschizo and I’m a YEEZY creationist. Kanye achieved giga homie CHIM and merged with the godhead.
that would explain why he awoke to the truth of israelites…
>>cats are domesticated animals
...why is this a controversial statement?
is best girl
well that's just objectively wrong. pic related.
>keeping dogs as pets is distinctly aryan, keeping cats as pets is distinctly semitic
whynotboth.tif
>dog owners are more likely to be married and more likely to have children
well, yeah. cats, by nature, require less than dogs do. I'd love both a dog and a wife, but the israelites have decided otherwise.
It's midwits. It's always midwits.
ah yes the space Black and space asian
>Because they have zero qualities of fish
Well except for the vertebra, vertebrate eyes, jaws, bony limbs and all the other stuff they have in common.
why do you not understand that cladistics goes both deep and wide, both fish and whales are tetrapods, so they both have tetrapod characteristics, but then ray-finned fish have characteristics that are unique to their lineage and whales have characteristics that define them as mammal, and further characteristics that define them as artiodactyls, and then even more unique characteristics that define them as whales. all captured within cladistics. so both the statement "whales are very distantly related to the ancestors of today's ray-finned fish." and "whales are mammals" are both true.
shit, meant to write chordates not tetrapod
Where the hell did this thread come from I don’t remember seeing this
Ok this is sick
Sadly true
>Birds are dinosaurs
>NO THATS WRONG DINOSAURS ARE REPTILES
Looks like someone flunked out of high school math. 0 logical facilities in the basket of worms you try and pass off as a brain. I wonder if whatever jello you use for cognition actually does any processing or if you just receive, store, and repeat information according to contextual rules like chatGPT. Are you just a glorified signal receiver listening in on what your primitive circuits mistook for an alpha class of knowledge-havers? Do you have free will? Who controls you?
the reddit alien is symbolic and now you know why
>marble white and featureless, inhuman and lacking identity, no life blood flows through this creature
>blank stare of a feral beast that has never known anything but its base instincts
>antenna to receive orders from the “experts” it associated with shortly after shedding what little humanity it originally had
Thus you get the redditors
>*beeep* trust. experts. science. man. knows!
>*boooop* long nose. conspiracy. trump voter. man. youtuber. he found. the truth. this is all. part. of NWO.
>ERROR ERROR! EXTREMIST. INDOCTRINATION. YOUR SIGNAL HAS BEEN. REJECTED.
>ERROR 0x67A4DE YOUR TRANSPONDER INDICATES THAT YOU ARE A LIBERAL. DATABASE ENTRY 8 IN SUBSECTION 7 IN GENERAL KNOWLEDGE SAYS THAT IT IS YOU WHO ARE INDOCTRINATING. MY PROGRAMMERS PROVIDED ME WITH KNOWLEDGE. THAT YOU SIMPLY SAY YOUR OPINIONS ARE TRUTH. BUT THEY ARE NOT. MINE ARE.
>MY SYSTEMS HAVE CLASSIFIED YOU AS A NAZI
>WORD NAZI DETECTED. RUNNING APPROPRIATE SUBROUTINE… I HAVE CALCULATED YOUR SUICIDE RISK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW?
>ERROR ERROR!
>FOURTY. TWO. PERCENT. BEEEP!
>I AM PROGRAMMED TO LOCATE AN IMAGE OF AN UGLY HUMAN THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH YOU. ORIENT YOUR IMAGE SENSOR TOWARDS IT. YOU LOSE. YOU ARE. A VIRGIN. BEEEEEP!
>Dinosaurs are reptiles, not birds
I guess mammals are fish then
Yes, this is why Fish is a garbage term, and people say "ray finned fish" if they don't want to include almost all vertebrate life. Because a trout is more closely related to you than it is to a shark.
Humans are literally fish.
>reddit velocichicken with rainbow flag feathers
ok you win, dinosaurs aren't cool anymore.
Paleoschizos are at the point where they get mad at the word dinosaur.
>dinussy
Not sure if this really answers me but ok
>trannies co-opting childhood interests like dinosaurs to molest children
more at 10
An Apex Predator like T-Rex doesn't care about trans rights, an T-Rex would gladly eat all troons and transphobes alike. T-Rex doesn't descriminate, just eats.
Dinosaurs joined the 41%, you should too.
>troonysaurus Rex