Pleistocene Park

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Makes more sense to start a Eocene park.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it makes more sense to start a creraceous park

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Watched about half of this doc, I don't see why it needs to be 2.5 hours long. It could easily be cut down to under an hour.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >releasing random species is not wholesome reddit approved rewilding

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not watching all of that someone explain what it is

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >humans kill megafauna
      >forests replace mammoth steppe grassland
      >snow insulates ground and traps permafrost without herbivores trampling it looking for grass
      >permafrost melts and causes runaway greenhouse effect
      >bring big mammals back in a small park in siberia
      >grassland in that area comes back and permafrost stays cooler
      >possible mammoths cloned to knock down trees or something
      >use a tank instead because crazy old russian scientist or whatever
      >hope to bring back giant herds of grazing animals numbering in millions back to siberia like it was before humans

      Overall a pretty good doc with surprisingly well done journalism. I give it a 7.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad the blitzkrieg Overkill theory is bs and the last hurrah of the killer ape theory. Also ignores the fact that mommiths survived in certain areas were glaciers were able to dictate the weather patterns for longer proving his thesis wrong. Also they can't bring back mammoths with the tech we have today

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          *Mammoths

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            *mommiths

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              *Mammoth

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                *moommit

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                *Moomin

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I finished the doc and I didn't think it was very good. I can appreciate seeing all the goings-on in this little project but the documentarian was annoying and homosexual. I'm not really gonna say much more, project is still very interesting though.

                Seeing how much they struggled with relatively simple logistical stuff doesn't inspire much faith. Perhaps they can succeed, I hope they can, but it seems like a lost cause for many reasons. I don't think the project hinges on mammoth revival, though that's another interesting topic.

                Miman

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't that the point of the doc though? That they needed funding to take the project off the ground and that they've only just gotten a small taste of what extra money can do as of pretty recently?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes that's part of the stated goal. Remember the whole bison fiasco started with them buying from some kind of criminals (presumably via wire transfer or some other non-refundable method), then the animals or cash got confiscated (I don't remember which), and they had to write off those initial bison completely, taking only the yaks home.
                If I'm a private investor, I don't want them doing that with my donation / investment.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >struggled with relatively simple logistical stuff
                What kind? The being out in the middle of siberia, thousands of km away from any infrastructure kind? Finances? Competency? Available manpower?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Yes that's part of the stated goal. Remember the whole bison fiasco started with them buying from some kind of criminals (presumably via wire transfer or some other non-refundable method), then the animals or cash got confiscated (I don't remember which), and they had to write off those initial bison completely, taking only the yaks home.
                If I'm a private investor, I don't want them doing that with my donation / investment.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. The Pleistocene was lame.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It interesting but I am more of a xenowilder

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Please bring back the cave lion.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They do actually have plans to release cape lions into the park, but for now there's not enough food resources there to sustain a population of lions.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're thinking of siberian tigers dude. Any population of lions, African or even Asiatic, would freeze to death that far north.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          lions still have the genes to develop winter coats

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            posting more cause i think they look incredible

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just cause they can do that doesn't mean they can tolerate the temperatures of pleistocene park, which is in the arctic circle. Zoos still have to take their lions inside when the weather gets too dicey, and all current lion species don't range too much further north than the Caucasus.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/LPju4Iz.png

              Stop talking like a redditor you dweeb. The only thing I can find is one Facebook post from 5 years ago where they use a picture of lions and give an example of a housecat that survived in the park. Even if we ignore the fact that they used wildcats (what we domesticated housecats from) as an example, which range much further north than lions ever did. They never once said that they were thinking of introducing lions to the park since the post itself says that the lions were in -25 degrees celsius weather, which is a far cry from the -40s that pleistocene park reaches regularly. Not to mention that most zoos that keep their lions out use shit like heated rocks or artificial caves to give them an out if the cold is too biting. Why don't you use more credible sources than a single Facebook post, or even read through the entire damn thing first before you jump to conclusions.
              https://www.four-paws.org.za/our-stories/blog-news/how-our-big-cats-cope-in-the-cold

              If you use this as a basis then lions shouldn’t be able to survive -25 either

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, I am thinking of cape lions from the Novosibirsk Zoo that have been living there for centuries without freezing to death.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Novosibirsk is in the very souther tip of Siberia bro. That's basically central asian weather which I already said lions thrive in. They cannot survive the temperatures that happen in the arctic circle.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I won't waste my breath on you any further, just go and read Zimov's own plans regarding lions, it's all readily available on the Internet

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop talking like a redditor you dweeb. The only thing I can find is one Facebook post from 5 years ago where they use a picture of lions and give an example of a housecat that survived in the park. Even if we ignore the fact that they used wildcats (what we domesticated housecats from) as an example, which range much further north than lions ever did. They never once said that they were thinking of introducing lions to the park since the post itself says that the lions were in -25 degrees celsius weather, which is a far cry from the -40s that pleistocene park reaches regularly. Not to mention that most zoos that keep their lions out use shit like heated rocks or artificial caves to give them an out if the cold is too biting. Why don't you use more credible sources than a single Facebook post, or even read through the entire damn thing first before you jump to conclusions.
                https://www.four-paws.org.za/our-stories/blog-news/how-our-big-cats-cope-in-the-cold

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The whole project hinges on the revival of the mammoth. Without mammoths it's a worthless exercise in futility.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That was a good ass movie.

      Is unfortunately kinda right tho.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give him 50% of Siberia to shape to his will.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Give him 50% of Siberia to shape to his will.

      Iirc he's surrounded by the russian equivalent of native land.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean Siberia's pretty big, can't imagine they'd be too upset with a nature reserve being put next to some of their tribal lands. Native reservation types are only really upset when their land gets stolen to do commercial garbage with it, nature reserves go hand in hand with what they want.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Native reservation types are only really upset when their land gets stolen to do commercial garbage with it
          Or when they want a cut of the money from it but get outsmarted by the company that was looking for their permission like with that water pipe fiasco or whatever

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