No species is invasive. Nature is about survival of the most adaptable. We should embrace this fact. Burmese pythons in the everglades? That's really cool! All animals are just trying to live and survive and people killing "invasive" species are only purists and genuinely evil.
I hate immigrants
>everything nature does is right
>everything humans do is bad
Quit whining about invasive species, they revitalize the biosphere with speciation and adaptive radiations
Gimme Dat free muvafrickin shrimp b***h
*flips on to shell*
I basically agree. There are a few species that are very economically problematic, but ecologically? not really.
>BBBUT THIS INVASIVE SPECIES IS DESTROYING MUH ENVIRONMENT
the environment was most likely already destroyed. with the exception of highly isolated island ecosystems niches are generally filled unless some catastrophe annihilates a portion of the local biosphere or something has modified the native environment and climate in a way disfavorable to some indigenous species.
It is pretty damn uncommon for a species to be better adapted to an environment than something that actually involved in that environment. I would say one of the big exceptions here would be domestic animals who we don't really consider invasive and get the cheat code of humans giving them free food and actively killing anything that predates on them because they have economic or sentimental value to us. So they have the ultimate adaptation to a heavily human-modified environment.
It's just a way people can fake caring about the environment while getting to cruelly kill animals. All of those good ol' boys in Florida pretending to care about the everglades while driving boats around making huge wakes and allowing the worthless subsidized sugar industry down there to dump tons of fertilizer runoff into the system just make me laugh.
>duuuh nowhere except Europe and NE America exists
STOP LETTING YOUR cat KILL MARSUPIALS THIS IS FRICKING AUSTRALIA YOU Black person
australia is a gay continent sized island ecology so of course it's vulnerable to domestic mammals, which I literally said are actually a far, far bigger problem compared to pythons or toads or moths or whatever the frick people are acting like is an apocalypse. How about the millions of acres of land taken from wilderness for sheep grazing or cattle ranching? Nah it must be cane toads ruining the environment, squish em!
outdoor cat owners are also ecological terrorists and cats should all be chipped, any found roaming outdoors should be killed like vermin.I say that as a lifelong cat owner.
>bbbuut muh ratters
cats are fricking dogshit for rat control, get a terrier if you need that.
>All of those good ol' boys in Florida pretending to care about the everglades while driving boats around making huge wakes and allowing the worthless subsidized sugar industry down there to dump tons of fertilizer runoff into the system just make me laugh.
this is what i never got about rightoids. they love saying how much they hate cities and love rural living and nature, but the second you ask them to put their money where their mouth is and help enact some measure that protects the environment, they balk and start calling you a commie. they will always yield to business interests. they're NPCs incapable of thinking outside party platform lines
> and help enact some measure that protects the environment
What measures are you speaking of? Who is protesting against them?
Because you're dealing with neocons and zionists instead of national socialists. You're just low IQ so when it comes to political discourse you only comprehend "rightoids" and "people who i am allowed to agree with".
Neocons and zionists: Corporations are people, FREEDOM uber alles
National socialists: Corporations are beholden to the wellbeing of the nation, HOMELAND uber alles
>another "you're either with us or against us" smoothbrain post
ehh that other guy is a moron so it balances out
Frick you, homosexual. I don't care about whatever meta philosophical point you think you're making, complex and highly-developed ecosystems are more aesthetically pleasing and interesting than just letting cats and rabbits ruin everything everywhere. Hail Hitler.
While we're talking about invasives. Why haven't hogs gotten up to northeastern US yet? There's basically no competition or predators up here to stop them.
Is it the winters? I thought they were already cold adapted?
They're in the Canada prarie provinces so it's not cold. I think it's more so that the government is good at finding small populations of them and eradicating them. I know that's what happened in upstate NY a few years back.
Don't be a smug shit when your lawn is made up of eurasian grasses and weeds
People killing "invasive" species are not purists and not genuinely evil.
They are just the most adapted, and have just become so adapted and evolved they can do with the animals what they want. Deal with it.
Well if you feel that way about invasives, then cool. Hell, if you post your address, I'll give you some kudzu and Japanese knotweed free of charge to really get you on the right path!
Already have knotweed. Could you send some Paulownia with the kudzu instead? I'll trade you a couple Norway maples and Japanese barberry.
survival of the fittest is a law of probability, not nature
try harder next time ig
>life finds a way
You wont however
The way I see it, we are moving into a new ecological era. Invasive species revitalize the biosphere and radiate into new morphs. Nature is just change after change. It always has. Nature just evolves. It goes self-destruct at times. Yet it persists. As it is, the damage by the ice ages hasn't resolved. That's what the aliens do. The trajection of the environment is more species and more species. The future is invasive. Niches are filled. Species transform. Nature is wabi-sabi: temporary, incomplete and imperfect.
I welcome the xenomorfic new nature. Frick everyone who doubt this. Let nature take its course . Let's evolve. Life finds a way.
It isn't the survival of the fittest, it's survival of whatever creature gets dumped the most into the wilderness by morons that are unable to keep a pet. Frick you and please die of a brain hemorrhage if you truly hold this opinion.
Don't forget all the shit that got pushed by state departments for erosion and water weed control.
>No species is invasive.
You wouldn't say that if Black men started showing up in your bedroom I bet
Absolute moron.
not when they're brought over by people and would be impossible for the species to reach that place naturally
Kek
>people killing "invasive" species are only purists and genuinely evil
This. If it's just beginning to get established then it makes sense to try and stop an invasive species, but once it has a big population then theres no point to killing them.
I saw on instagram someone post about a big Cuban tree frog they found and homosexuals in the comments telling him to catch it and kill it. It's just a single frog that ultimately has nex to no effect on the ecosystem but they heard its le invasive so it has to die. It's just pointless killing that doesn't solve any problems and is result of self righteous bloodlust.
Or when florida teens tortured an iguana to death with a shopping cart. FWC removed "animal cruelty" from the law for specific species, and a lot of government encourage the killing and extermination of "invasives". I realized most become "invasive" anyways because we killed off the natural predators in the environment and they are simply feeling a niche. Snakes don't eat much anyways. We killed most natural predators in the ecosystem and they feel in a niche that was lost. All "invasives" are still animals just trying to survive at the end of the day, and what happens if an "invasive" becomes endangered in it's native homeland, but still "invasive" elsewhere?
Get back in the water Snakehead.
This won't get many responses because nobody defends invasive animals unless they are cats.
You’re halfway there. The arbitrary distinction about what’s “native” and the idea that those plants/animals are more valuable is stupid. Just about everything was at one point invasive, but only since people got the idea that they are separate from nature did we start drawing a line.
If humans introduce a new species to an area, and it’s effects on the ecosystem are generally beneficial and useful to us, good. If they wipe out the species that were there before, and don’t provide any benefit, it makes sense to try to get rid of them.
Trailer trash dumping their pet snakes in the swamp is probably more of the latter than the former.
>BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY
Pragmatically, there are undiscovered pharmaceutical and engineering solutions in obscure snail species that depend entirely on one specific plant so frick off with your "but all life is... life, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" stoner garbage.
my whole life, science homosexuals have spewed this moronic shit as the only reason they can come up with to explain why no species should ever go extinct, and yet I bet you can’t find one single example of it happening. Every single time somebody publishes some dipshit paper about some compound found in a rare snail, it’s nothing but academic nonsense they’re desperately trying to use to justify their 22k/yr taxpayer-funded salary.
In fact, I’m completely uninterested in a single new “pharmaceutical solution” being developed anyway.
>In fact, I’m completely uninterested in a single new “pharmaceutical solution” being developed anyway.
thanks for letting us know you have no idea what you're on about
Don’t forget to take your hormones
you are free to move to nigeria and die of malaria transmitted by the mosquitoes that are still there because survival of the fittest lol
trad turds and other anti-intellectuals are curiously hesitant to move to areas where people share their values aren't they?
I’d gladly move in with the amish, but where I live is already fine with me. There are also thick hordes of mosquitoes here, and somehow I’ve survived.
You survived because people smarter than you already ran a malaria eradication campaign and keep a tight watch on invasive mosquito species.
dying from malaria is not a “value”
Sounds like Nigeria needs some Gambusia.
Do you feel the same way about plants?
yes
Frick I wish I lived in a climate that allowed cool invasives.
They all just fricking die in winter.