my dog is dying from hemangiosarcoma and I don't know what to do
she was fine chasing ducks at the pond, then she just fell over
I've been giving her K1, K2, Iron, Vitamin D, and feeding her much liver, hamburger, and peanutbutter as I can get into her to try and promote blood clotting
I also tried giving her Yunnan Baiyao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan_Baiyao
I have some turkey tail mushroom extract coming in express delivery
please can anyone help me save my puppy? idk what to do and the vet wants 15k to operate on her spleen
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Try to add to her diet:
- GLA https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/gla-for-dogs/
- Selenium https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ajas.2011.64.70
- Beta carotine
- Grape seed extract
- Omega 3
- Q10
These are either strong anti oxidants or help strengthening vein health.
im sorry I dont have any advice so ill just bump the thread...
I hope she gets better soon ;_;
I just realized something but did you ever get a second opinion from another vet regarding the initial diagnosis? what tests did they perform?
it's kind of strange now thinking back to their 6 hr survival prognosis and how much better your pupper is doing now.
is it possible it was another acute illness and the vet was pushing for an unnecessary procedure?
>I just realized something but did you ever get a second opinion from another vet regarding the initial diagnosis?
The tumor went from nothing, to bulging out of her side in less than 4 hours.The original diagnoses was at a vet that does dogs, cows, horses, cats, goats, etc... We then drove 1hr30min to a veterinary teaching hospital for a second opinion. They too said she wasn't going to make it through the night and quoted us 15,000 for the removal of the tumor and the spleen and suggested euthanasia if we did not want to. Its day 10 now. I just got back from taking her for a short and slow walk at the duck pond. There is an uneasy truce with the ducks, but it made her happy to see them. We walked about 1/8th of what we normally do before she needed to sit down and take a rest. I carried her back to the car. She was very happy.
I really think the Yunan Baiyao, Vitamin K, Iron Supplementation, and Vitamin C is what saved her. Her tongue was pure white she had lost so much blood.
Now its just going to be an experimentation of what we can do to shrink the tumor.
I know it probably doesn't apply to all dogs, but it would seem that this diet is actual proving to somewhat if a remedy. Anon, you should write down every step you take as it could prove invaluable to a lot of people whose frens' condition is similar.
Also do mind me asking what you little guys name is?
How is your fren doing, op?
I took her for a ride in the truck, and she was strong enough to stand up stick her head out the window for 10 minutes or so. Shes standing up and eating by herself again as well. I've been making tiny meatballs for her out of ground beef and chicken livers.
As far the tumor goes, its still there, but I think its smaller. I could see it sticking out 4 days ago, and now I have to kind of search for it with my fingers(I'm trying not to touch it as is). The swelling in her abdomen has gone down too, and hear heartbeat sounds much stronger when I listen to it.
I am going to try to throw as much anti-cancer shit(including keto/fasting) as I can. Once I think shes sufficiently back to strength, I am going to start feeding her double portions of meat every other day. I don't think dogs/wolves in the wild can really expect a daily meal and fasting has a growing amount of science behind it as a cancer cure. I want to trigger "autophagy" in her body, the process by which the body naturally recycles defective or old cells.
This sounds great, hope shel'll get better. Watch out for the physical activities, don't let her fall or otherwise push on the tumor.
Fasting sounds good, but dogs have a bit different digestive system than humans, so optimal fasting times might be different.
Godspeed anon, you are a good person. Here's hoping your fren gets better
Also look into this: https://www.dogcancer.net.au/dog-cancer-bioflavonoids-and-enzyme-support.php
Quercetin might be useful.
When your hope in the medical establishment is lost, consider looking into
https://vitalityscience.com/could-fenbendazole-treat-cancer-in-dogs-and-cats/
Updates:
+ I don't think shes in any pain, but I know the tumor is uncomfortable and she has very little energy.
+ I got the turkey tail supplements today. Going to start her on that.
+ Since starting her on the Yunnan Baiyao she has improved drastically. I think it has been controlling the bleeding. Her belly is much smaller.
+ Shes eating solid food again now.
+ She ate half a pound of breakfast sausage today over the course of the morning. She can only eat a little bit at a time, but if I feed her just a little bit every couple of hours she can get enough in her tummy to not be starving.
+ I'm getting her to drink every 30 minutes or so. I thought about taking her to the vet to get them to put in an IV, but shes drinking on her own well enough right now.
+ She finally pooped today! Its been nothing but pee twice a day for like 4 days.
+ I'm throwing everything at the cancer to try and shrink it that I can. Shes on a meat only keto diet. Cancer feeds on glucose.
+ I am also giving her a dog multivitamin.
+ I started her on a Vitamin E regime too. I read a study that said the fenbendazole worked better with vitamin E.
I started her on fenbendazole a few days ago. I will look at this too. I am trying to compile all the information I am learning so that I can make a website or blog or something for anyone else who's vet tells them their dog has 6 hours to live and doesn't offer any help.
>https://www.dogcancer.net.au/dog-cancer-bioflavonoids-and-enzyme-support.php
Thank you, I will look at all this. I am really interested in the anti-inflamatory stuff. She has a tumor which results in uncontrolled bleeding and the vet gave me a prescription for Rimadyl. I gave it to her the first night trusting the vet, and she had a REALLY bad night. I looked up Rimadyl the next day and its a fricking NSAID which thins the blood and can ENCOURAGE bleeding. I am so upset over that.
>I'm throwing everything at the cancer
Just watch out not to overwhelm her body. Like keep breaks with fenbendazole as it is in the recommendation.
Might look into milk thistle. Can be useful boosting her liver, especially after the medications.
I recommended the quercetin especially because of this anti-inflamatory effects. There is also serrapeptase that has positive effects against cancer, but I'm not sure if it is a good idea, considering the bleeding issues.
>I recommended the quercetin especially because of this anti-inflamatory effects
Quercetin won't thin her blood or prevent clotting?
This might be a risk, but it also helps with the health of vein walls in general.
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telegram group dedicated to curing pets
I'm going to send you to the crystal prison without dinner
In my experience anything with "protocols" in its name is bullshit and feeding your pets bleached pool water AKA chlorine dioxide will, objectively, indiscriminately kill all healthy tissue it comes in contact with on its way through the gut and do nothing but cause necrosis of everything it touches on its way through the gut.
If you want a real conspiracy, a simple one that is rather explicit, neutering and spaying quadruples the hemangiosarcoma rate, but they dont care if morons who leaves dogs outside all day don't have any accidental litters.
"HELP PREVENT MORE SPAY AT 4"
You are a good person anon, but there is little you can do at this point, besides making her comfortable.
You might try fenbendazole, which is a dewormer, but it seems to have some anti-cancer effects. Somebody seem to had some luck with it: https://toegrips.com/hemangiosarcoma-in-dogs/
I really don't want to give false hope, but at least you can try everything you can.
>https://toegrips.com/hemangiosarcoma-in-dogs/
Thank you, I will look into this. I am also going to try a keto diet for her if she stabilizes and gets her blood back up. Shes just so weak right now after the major bleed that happened. I don't think a meat and fat diet is cruel for a dog. Its what they would prefer in the wild.
I think the Yunnan Baiyao is helping.
I've been feeding her pureed liver/hamburger for the last 6 days.
After a day and a half of Yunnan Baiyao shes up and moving around again and eating solid food.
I started her on 222mg of fenbendazole today.
I also got a pupper iron supplement that I have been giving her in the morning and night time. I've been giving her a human chewable vitamin C as well because its supposed to help with absorption of iron.
If I can get her stabilized I am going to have her do a keto diet(meat and fats only). There is a lot of new research that suggests cancer can't survive without sugar.
If she turns around I am going to compile the entire regime I did for her and make a website so hopefully other people can get some of this information.
The vet just told me "she has 6 hours to live" and that was a week ago.
Thank you again for this suggestion Anon. I had not seen that anywhere in my internet research. I hope it helps.
After a full day of Yunnan Baiyao(3 pills in the morning, and 3 at night) she seems to be holding her head up more, looking around, and less lethargic. She is also eating a lot better.
I made a puree of liver, hamburger, and collagen and she was able to get 4-5 spoonfuls down. Shes also taking all the vitamins I researched that promote blood clotting a lot easier(peanut butter on my finger).
I've also been making sure she drinks every 30 minutes to an hour. I'll bring her water in bed, put a towel down, and then help her sit up to drink.
Yesterday was really bad, and I know shes going to die from this, but today she seems a little better. I'm going to take her to the ducks and pull her around in a wagon so she can look at them tonight when it cools down a bit.
I am sorry Anon. You are a good person. God bless you and your pupper.
First off, I'm sorry about the situation. You must be feeling a rush of different emotions right now.
The cost of surgery is exploitatively normal for emergency vets, especially. The 15k probably doesn't include follow-up either. They might offer you to sign up for Pet Care loans, etc. After all said and done it's normal for that total cost to end up around 30-50k.
Your dog's condition has a 100% mortality rate after 24 months, even with perfect removal. Average survival with compromised quality of life is usually under half a year. There needs to be more research and better treatment options for this acute disease, but right now, there isn't.
As pet owners, we forget the perspective of the animal's suffering because we are consumed by our own anxieties and feelings of saying goodbye too soon.
These factors considered, I would say the best course of action is to get your pupper her favorite foods and just spend quality time together as much as possible before recommendation of humane euthanasia.
I've owned many dogs and seen them die many ways. Early on, I tried to keep a few alive as long as possible, disregarding their pain due to being overwhelmed by my own. It's not right. The last moments are better off for your long term knowing that she had a satisfying meal, had her senses and clarity and saw she was not alone with her loving owner who gave her a peaceful and painless farewell.
>recommendation of humane euthanasia.
she still wags her tail when I come into the room
she can go to the bathroom on her own still
I know I have to do it, I just don't know if its time yet
I know its hopeless
I love my dog so much
I'm glad to see you're doing everything you can and that her condition is improving.
Trust your judgment for what and when is best.
My prayers go out to you and your pup.
Im so sorry about your dog anon. I hope you find the right time 🙁 Im sure you gave the dog a great and fufilling life.
it’s kind of heartwarming to see such an informative and compassionate post on this site. i should come to Wauf more often.
I've been browsing Wauf for the last week and am amazed how much nicer this board is compared to other boards. huge fan of Wauf tbh
This is basically it for her. The spleen is a b***h to even attempt to control bleeding on, even for a skilled surgeon, and the type of tumor she has makes those blood vessels even more delicate and prone to rupture. A small bleed may clot, but there’s nothing really you can do for a major one. Even if you find the money to remove the spleen, this type of cancer is aggressive enough that you’ll have another tumor elsewhere bleeding out less than a year. Sometimes just a week or two.
please someone help me
vitamin C also to help with the absorption of iron to replace her blood