The science is settled and experts agree that cats are an "invasive species". How will cat owners cope with this reality?
It's official: cats are pests
The science is settled and experts agree that cats are an "invasive species". How will cat owners cope with this reality?
Looks like you can't win an argument against me, toxo brain.
catfags are threat to society and must be eliminated
I'm not as unstable mentally as you are.
I'm not mentally unstable though
You're a subhuman and must be eliminated
kill all cats
Kys subhuman scum. I'd knock your teeth out if I saw you irl
You have to be 18 to post on this website.
Funny that since I'm older than 18
First you have to escape your mom's basement and adapt to outside conditions. You likely haven't seen the sun in years so shut up fat fuck.
look at this retarded underage phoneposter spamming, kek
Lol do muricans really? Where I'm from anything that enters your property uninvited is free game. No one can say or do shit if my dogs kill some useless cat that was dumb enough to enter my yard. Guess even cats are dumber in murica cause here that almost never happens since cats know where not to go. Btw our law even states dogs are allowed to attack humans that entered uninvited with no repercussions.
>don't keep pet on property
>something bad happens to it
>get upset
People keep WINGED PETS indoors and somehow cat owners can't fucking figure it out. Best defense for feral cats are donkeys apparently. Stomps the vermin to death when they get near my birds.
this is why i have no problem destroying cats even if i know theyre pets
any one who can let theyre so called "beloved family member" out into elements without suffering extreme anxiety for its wellbeing the entire time its unaccounted for obviously doesnt care about it that much
reminds me of my retarded aunt
shes the worst kind of histrionic catfag
one of her cats caught a nail on something causing it to dislocate its leg and she let it sit there for weeks without care until it finally died
then she acted like it was the end of the world
you're right that polands opinion doesn't matter, since it's simply a fact that housecats are an invasive pest almost everywhere on earth
North America has a bunch of extinct cat species plus existing ones like bobcats and mountain lions are absent in many areas due to human presence. Domestic cats fill the same ecological niche.
Plus many other species of predators of small mammals and birds have declined in population significantly since colonization and development. Notably owls and some hawks.
shut up toxo
you could say the exact same shit about brown rats and you would be just as retarded and wrong
>Domestic cats fill the same ecological niche.
The domestic cat population of the United states is over 90 million. They are invasive.
How many go outdoors?
So extinct and rare wolf species justify cat-slaughtering wild dogs then? i agree.
Those exist they're called foxes and coyotes. And bears and raccoons which are canine in appearance.
Yes if your cat is killed by a wild animal, it's natural. If your cat kills a wild animal, it's natural. Cats are barely "domesticated" even as pets they are very behaviorally and genetically similar to wild cats.
>cats are barely domesticated
Smaller brains?
1/3 as successful on hunts?
More social, colonial behavior?
Stubbier legs?
Less muscular?
People who say cats aren’t domesticated are as stupid as people who think huskies are just unusually friendly wolves
The lack of nuance here pisses me off. I have two indoor pet cats who I love very much, while simultaneously agreeing that outdoor or feral cats are extremely harmful to the environment, with the former requiring being kept indoors, and the latter requiring extermination. Maybe it's just because I live in Australia where the impact from feral cats has been particularly bad. Pet indoor cats and unwanted feral cats are different.
>you have too much sex
What kind of cope is this?
obsessed stinky cathomosexual cope
All my cats are sterilized, as they should be. I don't need cope. And at least the females aren't loud and the males aren't stinky.
you have too many cats and they smell horrible
>shitbeast
No wonder. Dogs are the white supremacists pet. Liberals hate them because muslims and blacks do, and because white people use them as proof.
>DogCHAD: See how the border collie is nice and well behaved, but the pitbull is not?
>Liberal: NOOOO A DOG IS. A. FUCKING. DOG! ITS HOW YOU RAISE THEM! BIGOT!
this is just a passive aggressive way to get u to stop coming over
Yer a toilet
if people kept their cats indoors like they should this wouldn't be an issue
It really boggles my mind how utterly spoiled and bratty cat owners are that being told to put their cats indoors causes major tantrums from them.
catfags truly are unhinged
you sounds like you just made up with your pets, sir ma'am.
What goes wrong in a person's life that they argue with themselves on an anonymous image board for hours.
i broke my arm dirt biking so i cant do a whole lot else
Holy shit. You can’t read.
>THE PEST CONTROL IS WORKING!
>We have more pests than we had yesterday.
>BUT SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE!
>And we will have even more pests tomorrow.
>BASED KITTIES ARE HELPING.
>I saw rats eating cat food. I’m drowning all the cats, hiring terriers, and buying poison to kill the stragglers.
>NOOOOOO
Cue centuries of cat burning
Cats even transmit plague. Useless animals.
Killing cats transmitted the plague via rats, ya dumb fuck.
Of course cats haven't killed every single rat. You fags sure are slow.
Cats transmit plague in the rats stead.
Having more rats is having more rats. AND the cats are also vermin. Kill the cats, poison the rats.
More people are killed by rabies than the plague in the modern era. Dogs are the number one vector to humans.
Lock and load, it's pupper season.
rub your 2 iq digits together and you might realize how slowing growth doesnt reduce populations
You can't be this fucking stupid.
If I give you one dollar every day and someone else two dollars every day, who ends up with more dollars? Think real hard.
thats net growth either way
are you baiting or actually retarded?
And if you didn't have the cats it'd be even higher. You can't even win the augment with your made up scenario nonsense to frame it.
#
thats not good pest contol
thats population growth, not reduction
i dont want slightly lower net gain of rats and a bunch of vermin cats
i want 0 rats and 0 cats
obviously this concept is too advanced for your toxoperforated little brain
its more like one person loses $1 a day in rat fees, the cat owner loses $0.80 a day in rat fees and $0.20 in cat fees, and the traps, baits, and hygiene chad loses $0 a day and doesnt have cats shitting up the food either.
Traps cost money and time, cats come with the land. Try again, slicker.
Traps = no rats
Cats = growing rat population
Guess who’s getting shut down by the FDA? You, animal abuser
Yet again my theory is proven correct that the vast majority of cat hate on this board comes from some furry dog rapists who hate cats because they aren't easy to rape and don't learn to tolerate it like mutts do
How are cats not easy to rape. From a logical standpoint they’re easily available and can’t fight back
i saw a thread on b back on the day of someone raping a cat so i know its possible
Heres dogfreenig talking to himself
We hate outdoor cats because its a useless practice that sentences good cats to an early death because you’re a lazy fucking idiot thats too obsessed with fucking dogs to think for half a second you dumb shit gorilla lipped homosexual
Are all dog owners like this or do only the crazy obsessed ones comes to Wauf?
I am a cat owner you chinless slope browed moron. You dumb outdoor cat fags have killed more cats than anything else.
Counterpoint. Those arent humans dying. The dogs are doing a great job. So are the cats! In fact toxo is based because it only kills retards, but i’m only okay with it if they get it from indoor cats.
Huh?
Meds.
>aren't easy to rape
There was a video on /b/ back in the days of someone trapping a cat in a drawer so it couldn't claw/bite but it's ass was outside and getting the shit pounded out of them... so you sure?
i'm on /b/ everyday and I don't remember such a thing
Sadly I don't save anything that's sadist and none of the forums I frequent allow abusive materials so it's gonna be really hard to find it
don't allow*
>TRUST THE SCIENCE CHUDS
Typical toxoschizo NPC
who are the toxos aagin?
It is an objective fact that barn cats do not reduce rat populations.
They slow rat population growth by 20%. Assuming rats arent eating cat shit, cat food, or cat corpses.
No one who is serious about farming is even allowed to have them. The barn cat is only a little more useless than the mythical guard dog that doesnt maul innocent visitors.
wtf? I love cats now
Yes, predators hunt. More news in 2023
So a fucking spergs on Wauf discovered in 2022 that out door predators hunt.
Literally dog brains
They've been pests from the very beginning, killing stray cats must happen.
I see you're truly english at heart. Figures, being that you live in england.
Stop bumping this garbage thread you retarded newfags.
no
Make me
yes, finally. this is a concrete proof that my local cat shelter must be destroyed.
>complaints on the smell of piss and poops
>they ignore it
>complaints they're too noisy with that particular cat meowing too loud
>they ignore it
>jamming the only way to the neighborhood with visitor's cars
>they ignore it
before that makeshift cat shelter was there, it's a nice and peaceful neighbourhood and most of all, fresh air to breathe without having to keep all my windows shuts due to the contaminated air with cat piss and poop. tick tock, shelter.
>How will cat owners cope with this reality?
looking at this thread, by seething very hard
god i fucking hate cats
seems like people are starting to wake to how shitty they are at least
my town is considering banning roaming and getting a lot of support
People are alien invasive species
so
what
No we aren't. Humans are cosmopolitan
I just don't let her outside, I'm not retarded. I want my cat to live a long healthy life and I don't want her killing random shit. This isn't hard.
More israelite propaganda trying to make you hate something other than them
Cats absolutely deserve it.
Why would I care what any ~~*scientific institute*~~ says?
HUMANS are an invasive species
so who cares
>24 posters
O BIRDFAAAG
>no new IP
You already replied to this thread 10 times calling out this "birdfag"
Is he in your room right now?
Nah, only one of the other posts was me. Believe it or not, multiple people have noticed your schizophrenia
all I learned from that link is that they're calling for cat owners to keep their cats indoors. Why is this news at all?
>35 posts
>18 ips
can this mentally ill larper just get banned already?
yeah you should have been banned long aco
>the schizo is an esl
checks out
well i can speak on your terms for a sec
¿por qué no pides simplemente ayuda a tus padres, friki? y no sólo en relación con el idioma inglés tampoco
your iq is about the same as the ip count
Post 20 more times from the same IP please and then call yourself out for samefagging.
So what, do you think people just post once in a thread and move on? It's called having a conservation.
>It's called having a conservation
What were you having a conversation about?
They're using this as an excuse to start killing them to take away from the food supply once they start the ~~*supply chain issues*~~ just like they're doing with deer.
Cats have never once be beneficial to humanity. We’d be better off eating the rats. There’s no meat on them.
It's about time.
Domestic cats are shit.
but they're still better than people.
glad I spend most of my time I'm /misc/
look up Hawaii. it doesn't matter that it cats. It needs to be culled. A bunch of bird species are already gone.
>Nooooooooooooooooooo not the heckin birdirinos!1!1!1
Go back to r*ddit
Why are outdoor cats even a thing? You don't see people letting their dogs roam around unsupervised.
catfags are entitled and literally worship their pets to the point of calling the native beneficial songbirds they kill “pests”
theyre too small to have sex with so they still needed some kind of devotion to justify having them at all
The reason you don't see dogs on the streets, is because dogs are eaisier to catch and/or kill. Some stray dogs will just run up and play with you making them eaiser targets for animals control. But stray cats are nasty and violent and always run away.
Third worlders do have a lot of problems with stray dogs but in the west it's mainly cats.
Don't forget cats are also naturally stealthy bastards and because they are small while being acrobatic they can hide in many tiny places and squeeze through many objects and they reproduce faster than dogs, similar to rats really. No wonder the cat problem has gotten way out of hand. Cats should not be pets. Cats must lose the pet status that undeservedly protects them.
Correct. Cesar Milan openly said Dog Catchers struggle catching little dogs because they can squeeze through places and escape. Now imagine cats? Cats are like little dogs but much more capable of climbing and extreme mobility due to how their bodies are shaped. Cats are difficult to catch.
It's honestly much easier to simply encourage neighborhoods to leave food cats like full of anti freeze, tylenol, or rat poison simply to kill the cats. It's not like we are running out of these shitty vermin. Shelters have been full of cats before covid because no one wants them in the first place. So any cat found outside should simply be killed and forget humane death bullshit. Cats don't deserve humane anything, just kill them in any cheap way and poison is what they deserve. And before anyone says "Wild life would be poisoned" no. There is no wild life in a damn metropolitican city like San Francisco or Los Angeles. Same to community of houses. So it's more than safe to poison cats in such areas as the only thing living there are humans.
You do where I live.
Cats are smart enough to be both indoor and outdoor animals
>cats are smart
1/2 as many neurons as a small dog. If they’re smart why do they enter the yard of a superior predator and become dog food?
They are just animals and living outside is easier than you think if you’re willing to eat literal garbage.
>"Hurr durr aktually LE HECKIN DOGGORINOS are smarter"
>*Runs into traffic like a retard the moment they're let off a leash*
Fuck off, r*ddit spacing idiot
Fuck off, dogfucker shizo.
Read my post again, esl
Yes. They are smarter. But none of them are smart enough to know that carhomosexual cager scum are retarded and selfish.
>birdfag off his meds again
>Why yes, I did kill every bird in my neighbourhood, how could you tell?
Based Tom, fuck birds.
I hope you enjoy the swarms of mosquitoes around your house
my aunt is one of those commie bird freak enviro types, total weirdo, never had kids, etc.
Respect your family, animal
>commie bird freak enviro types
go back you your containment board retard
Welcome to the club. Hopefully now you too will know what its like for your pet to be shot dead by a cop despite being entirely friendly because he had the legal justification and didn’t like their species, all because someone else accidentally let them out.
Actually I hope cat hate goes so mainstream that people start poisoning cats for having the gall to kill their fence hopping pet “outdoor pigeons” so you know what it feels like to be punished for the food chain taking place in your yard and so you can suffer due to someone elses idiocy instead of your own for once.
t. dog owners
Hating cats WILL become mainstream for a few reasons. The first is Toxoplasmosis and other diseases of feline origin as well as fear of rabies. The other thing that will actually increase hatred for cats? Stupid cat lovers insisting on shit that doesn't work like TNR and Cat Colonies. No neighborhood wants to tolerate a group of disease spreading pissing and shitting cats spreading their waste all over the neighborhood. It's a health hazard and disgusting as well which lowers property values. This is what will cement hatred for cats even with normies.
Mankind is learning that there is nothing good about cats especially the ones roaming free and even ruin the work of farmers which make food.
I highly doubt the whole world is going to get aboard the cat hate train. Japan is filled with autist cat lovers. They get an entire island for cats.
Inb4 indifferent about cats
They will if they suffer the negative side effects of cats. Remember cat colonies? The stupid cat loving cunts leave food for cats and the cats don't eat everything. What little bits of food is left out that the cats don't eat? That attracts other vermin as well such as rats and roaches. So yeah entire neighborhoods would have to suffer shitty cats, a cockroach infestations, and other unwanted pests. All because of stupid cat lovers.
In the end no matter what cat lovers do, their actions only serve to increase hatred aimed at them and shitty trash cats.
When I was poor, I lived in a cheap apartment where the landlord kept feeding the feral cats outside. The smell of cat shit mixed stale wet cat food was fucking putrid. Plus, I’d occasionally find dead animal parts laying around that the cats would leave. Shit was just fucking nasty.
This post reeks of the third world
cant blame them. the majority of fatal toxoplasmosis cases occur in the third world because they have literally no animal control or and next to no hygiene.
likewise canine rabies in the third world is so prevalent that it makes dogs technically the third most dangerous animal to humans on earth (technically. the jury is out on whether or not those extra deaths are really humans). most of the really angry dog hate posts come from third worlders. even in the third world US where they at least have rabies vaccines, poorfags seem to be addicted to surrounding themselves with dangerous breeds like pitbulls and german shepherds.
I hate both cats and dogs. Those pest shouldn't be allowed around human habitation because they're irrelevant rat and nger catchers.
t. shitbull owner
if you let your dog roam free it deserves to be shot
OP had to search for a screenshot that didn't include the "scientific institute" by name
What is it?
Holy seethe...
Yeah a few years ago someone in my town stole a husky from their owners yard, beat them to death, and left them on the side of the road because they killed their fence hopping outdoor cat.
(Btw it wasnt me but i’m pretty sure they started buying tylenol more often and gained a taste for canned fish, if the sudden reduction in the cat population is anything to go by)
maybe it was for the best their dog died then. someones got to do it.
>another larp post
> because they killed their fence hopping outdoor cat.
wtf would have done the same tbfh
killed their cat? i would too
Proper order. A dog that kills once on its own is a mad dog and needs to be put down. As a farmer I've to kill several dogs every year because they come along worrying my cattle. Their owners are always cityfags who have no respect for my land. At least cats are useful and kill rodents and pest birds.
You are a retard. Many dogs were bred to kill vermin and cats are no different from large rats. Cats have been proven not to do shit to rodent populations so they just add cat problems to your rat problems. If you shot my dog for killing a cat I would pump your entire herd full of 30-06. Simple as.
you wouldnt do anything loser
Fuck around and find out. I eat several cows a year, whats a few more? You got a camera that can get a good ID at 700+ yards?
>Fuck around and find out
You wouldn't do shit. I come from an IRA family. If you touched cattle you'll be knee capped and crucified on your own front garden for all your family to see. Cats do a fine job of killing pests, shove your r*dditfag science up your arse. The passive effect that cats have on pest is more effective that homosexual ratter dogs with the added bonus of not having to keep shitty terriers. The only dogs worth anything in my book are spaniels.
>cats do a fine job of killing pests
>ireland is still full of fenian scum
pick one
>outdoor cats are useful ill cap ye knees laddy!
>mick is retarded
of all the words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: the founding fathers were right again
We figured you're a subhuman but cmon
Generational trauma from the English laughing while they set the dogs on your ancestors, perhaps? Would you put together a lynch mob if you saw a corgi?
cats kill mostly necessary birds, they're shit at rat hunting
Again like he said that's just r*dditfag "science". Cats have developed their reputation as pest control over thousands of years in human societies across the globe. They were specifically brought on ships to deal with pests because fucking no one wants a neurotic yapping terrier on board or in their lives. Yes they can clear out a barn quickly but that barn wouldn't get that bad with resident barn cats.
if were gonna stick to doing things the old fashioned way can we at least bring back public cat burning?
Yeah but then you wouldn't be able to have your furfag forums and yiffer dog rape parties without the internet to organize
>Cats have developed their reputation as pest control over thousands of years in human societies across the globe.
lmao pure cope
domestic dogs always did it better
?t=14
Uh, no?
Have you ever been to a farm zoomie? You have a farm, you have barn cats. Not some mutt ya gotta feed. That's for duck hunting.
I've always preferred keeping King Snakes to cats as they hunt multiple things that I don't want around my animals, whereas cats usually end up hunting birds and rabbits which doesn't really help me out. My horses also enjoy stomping on cats, so that's another reason why I don't bother with them.
Learn to larp, nagger. Rabbits are a huge pest.
depends where you live
Yes, thank God entire continents are free of rabbits like Australia.
i shoot cats on my farm
no you don't
post farm with timestamp
eat shit with timestamp
you live in a shit city
larping homosexual
i dont care if you dont believe me
it wont stop me from shooting cats and not posting proof
Literally no one believes you
>implying this homosexual doesn't shit his pants when he sees a pistol grip in Tyrone's drawers at the 7/11
pure projection
We don't get Tyrone's here and we wear our handguns on the outside of our pants.
so you just fantasize about this gay shit for no reason?
If you're having gay thoughts because you heard the name Tyrone, that's on you city boy.
>when i bring up black dude's underwear unprovoked that means youre gay actually
So, when you walk past the men's underwear aisle you start thinking about homosexuality? Sounds normal.
no
when i read closet homo fanfiction on Wauf i think whoever wrote it is closet homo
youre projecting again
Look, if you wanna be a fag, that's fine, but I'm not interested fella.
then maybe stop bring up things black guys have in their underwear for no reason?
schizochan larping once again
I don't unless they're big enough to threaten livestock, which is unusual. Dogs is on sight, though.
Oh wow a r*ddit tier video of shitty terriers doing a job on a farm with no barn cats. Why didn't I already mention that? No one wants terriers. You hire then for a job if you're retarded enough to not have barn cats and let the place get infested.
I'll never understand the Ameripig mental process. You're lying about keeping wild snakes which are even more instinct driven and impossible to tame to deal with rodents. I also believe the guy who said he shoots multiple dogs per year on his farm more than I believe your horse has killed cats by stomping on them. Do any of you city fag autists even know anything about animals outside of this board?
you sound like the biggest larper here right now
horses are savages
we had one that used to rip the hides off the sheep
thought there was a psycho skinning them until someone saw it go down
Yeah they developed the reputation does not mean they actually did it. If the rats get super sneaky the retards think they’re gone.
>i dont like the results so its reddit science fuck normies dogs are cringe cats are based
>MUH HECKIN TRADITIONAL BELIFERINOS WOW MY DAD AND GRANDDAD WOULD RESPECT MY OPINION FOR ONCE
>traditional people: *burns basket full of cats* too helle withe these satanik verminne
For thousands of years cats were considered a bad omen and cat lovers were met with extreme suHispanicion.
People who own lots of cats are seen as antisocial weirdos today, imagine how they were treated in times when cats were associated with black magic.
>Cats have been proven
bs, outdoot cats in a countryside works just fine
>If you shot my dog for
just keep your stupid flee train indoor and it will be fine.
Anyway dogs serve no purpose except fluffy petting slave for people who can't win anyone's affection.
look kids a post thats completely wrong
>look kids a post thats completely wrong
>just keep your stupid flee train indoor and it will be fine.
yeah let me correct myself: it will be fine exluding what the owner do to his dog
now that's accurate
Silence, ESL toxobrain.
Does someone speaks to you now? This board does not allow to post any media with sound. Please take your antipsychotic meds immidiately.
Also let me reiterate for you:
- cat are working quite good against mice;
- dogs should be kept inside and walked on a leash;
- and, most importantly: you won't do shit.
Now you may cry a little.
Why are you totally incapable of communicating like a human being instead of a somewhat clever orangutan? Brain damage from alcoholism? Are you actually an ape?
Of course its to be expected from a “person” that thinks outdoor cats are not vermin and hates actual useful animals.
>duuurrr cats are bad my dog could roam anywhere freely i will MURDER everyone who thouches my heckin pupperino
>lol no
>SHUT UP YOU TOXO I KILL I HAET ARRRRRGH REEEEEEEEEE
>you are wrong and mad
>Why are you totally incapable of communicating like a human being?
lmao
I didn't even said anything about hating dogs, that's still voices in your head, those meds need time to settle.
Dogshizos are so amusing.
>Are you actually an ape?
mate people are apes, so yes, I am
So you isn't? Let me laugh even harder!
Are you keeping track? It was about dogs killing cats on their own property and some retard saying dogs need to be put down for killing cats despite it being totally natural and expected behavior for dogs that arent sheep herders
>It was about dogs killing cats on their own property and some retard saying dogs need to be put down for killing cats despite it being totally natural and expected behavior for dogs that arent sheep herders
dogs can't have property but ok, in THAT case everythings fine, too bad cat died but it was apparently retarded anyways.
Although it was about dogs harrasing cattle on cattle owner lands and then it was ARRRRRG I KILL YOUR ENTIRE HERD REEEE REEEEEEE
No irishmen are just too drunk to read
Well I am not an irishmen, but I am sure there is a chance he sober up.
But you.. well.
Here is one think you may contemplate tho: there could be more than one discussion in one thread (I don't mean the voices).
Toxoplasmosis doesn't exist
You wouldn't do a thing you reddit onions cuck fuck.
lmao seething. day of the tylenol approaches. screencap this.
protip
liquid tylenol is a lot easier to mix into cat food
>lmao
>giving me a (You) 4 minutes after I reply to your 14h old post
The fact that I even bothered replying to a larping shut-in
It's not your dog's fault you don't get laid, and no you won't win streetfights with your dog, much less without it.
>anon is one person
post guns larper
and this is why my husky dw can kill any cat coming into our yard without any repercussions
you have no husky
keep coping
>nobody would kill the poor catterinos, right?! they must be larping because kots are too precious for anyone to kill
paw with timestamp
post your husky with a timestamp
Day of the tuna soon toxobrains
We can't let huskies do all the work
>this shitty photoshop
can't believe you fags even lie about owning pets
>Implying schizocuck has a husky
Oh
Same im going to make germany 1941 look like a test run. Heil huskies!
yes i do that other guy isn't me
You have my dw's support huskychads.
and my WVLFWIFE. cats suck.
Hey, that's my wife!
mate you forgot to shotoshop timestamp, that way they wouldn't believe the voices in the head told the truth
Appropriate reaction. He only missed kicking the owners ass and then making him huddle against the mutt corpse as you break a few ribs.
The Polish Academy of Sciences
> Poles
Lol.
Lmao, even.
Poles that fill your holes.
stop feeding the cat and see how good it really is at ''invading''
> stop feeding the cat
If your cat isn't old or obese, it will just go hunt.
I left the patio door open one night and my sweet innocent kitty brought me a dead rabbit in the morning. You can't undo millions of year of evolution that easily.
>one night
Good job kittycat but how consistent are they? My cat would starve in no time.
your cat killed for fun, not to eat
They are extremely good at it.
My country has stray cats everywhere and I'm pretty sure they are the reason why we don't have thousands of pidgeons per city like the countries that remove stray cats.