Is it possible that some animals have higher intelligence than humans?

Let me preface by saying this, if a human were to morph into a dolphin or some other aquatic species and got trapped, we wouldnt really know it possesed the same intelligence as humans, right? Because, under water and especially without hands and arms there is not really anything you can do, to show signs of intelligence other than the stuff we already see dolphins do?

Or lets say you put a newborn human brain in an aquatic body, and let it mature in that environment, without prior human experiences, would it posses more intelligence than a dolphin, if we were to do some kind of intelligence testing between the two?

With that context, how do we know that Orcas and Dolphins are not MORE intelligent than humans? I mean as i said, there is just that much you can do, to show your intelligence under water without the ability to use your arms and hands to create technology?
What would a dolphin be able to do, if we were to give it arms and hands?

(Im speaking intelligence in terms of the average humans, not some 200iq chad)

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We can't really define intelligence in ourselves, let alone animals. The pure computational type is associated with pattern recognition which is boosted by dopamine receptor density since people with mutations regarding dopaminergic hypersensitivity have higher average measured IQs (and higher risks of paranoid schizophrenia + manic disorder).
    Other types of intelligence (like social intelligence) can benefit from enhanced pattern recognition but we don't know if that's all that there is to it. Sheer brain size/density means nothing. It's the connections and the types of connections that matter.

    Now, dolphins are pretty smart. I'd say their pattern recognition level is definitely higher than a dog's. They enjoy human-like fun and seek it out without any obvious benefit. They're not just eating, shitting and breeding machines. They jerk off, they get high on pufferfish in social environments, they play with each other and with humans in captivity even when there's no food reward being offered.
    Some research found that they might have a language but the problem is that they can't pass on their knowledge. They have no fucking hands to write shit down. We'd have to graft thumbs on their flippers or something to really see where this could go. Even then it'd all get washed away in water. If they weren't limited by their bodies and their environment I'm sure we could have a more conclusive answer.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      humans used to just pass on their knowledge verbally until relatively recently

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In practice dolphins haven’t shown much more intelligence than a japanese macaque

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the Japanese are great. They make some good games and their food isn't bad either.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There might be something to that. Our enhanced paranoid schizophrenia pattern recognition developed mainly because of small dangerous animals like spiders and snakes. Dolphins don't really have to worry about that shit so their brains didn't get dopaminergically dense.
        There was research done on macaques raised in captivity who never saw much beyond their enclosure. They gave them images of flowers and images of snakes and they reacted to the snakes way faster even when some of the pictures were black-and-white. The same test was run on humans (except humans know what snakes are) and the quick pattern recognition kicked in the same way.
        Another fun fact which I think is related: when you block too many receptors of any kind your brain goes delirious and the most prevalent things it hallucinates are shapes of genetically-engrained creatures like silhouettes of people, insects (mostly spiders) and snakes. With stimulant (dopaminergic) induced deliriant psychosis it's basically indistinguishable from schizophrenia. Coke bugs are a thing for a reason.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Define intelligence.
    Some animals certainly have better pattern matching abilities than we do.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why was this deleted?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone who participated in the 200 post zoophilia argument in /dog/ got IP wiped and permabanned if they had any ironic or unironic pro stance and warned if they were anti and one of them was a white woman bitching about men loving her less than her dog

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        mods are gods

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        that might be the best news I've seen on this board in months

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It takes a “static” IP about a week to change, so toxo and pitbull threads return in 7 days, and the actual zoos will just convert people on twitter instead.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            a week of sanity, let us cherish it.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you know, birds and cephalopods have much higher density of brain nerves than mammals do, which is why animals with small heads, like crows and octopi, function way better than mammals with similar brain weight.
    I guess the giant squids in deep ocean can have hidden great intelligence.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like the idea that a long time ago an underwater civilization of smart cephalopods existed but being underwater they never discovered fire. With a soft body their houses were just piles of rocks or shells of big snails and lacking bones they much rarely left any fossils that we might or not have found but have no idea how intelligent they were.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cephalization quota predicts intelligence, not brain size. Whales have mammal average size brains compared to the size of their body.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >one dipshit gets banned
    >3/4's of the thread is wiped out
    every fucking time

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    brain size alone does not determine intelligence. brain-body mass ratio determines intelligence. humans have a much larger brain in proportion to their body than orcas do. since the orcas brain has to power its massive body, there is less capacity for it to perform other functions compared to a human brain.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    whale groups swim in spirals to trap prey in the middle.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    so then how do you explain modern italians and greeks being of below normal intelligence and contributing far less to human advancement than those of other nations?

    also where did their amazing brilliance come from?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    how do you explain millions of people never inventing agriculture, or the wheel, or the bow, or anything really?

    and what makes you think you'd invent those things when millions of other people didn't?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do you explain millions of people never inventing
      >agriculture
      It's hard to figure out plants grow from seeds because it's such a slow process. If you do figure it out, many plants still die very easily and you don't have modern tools either. People might have gotten the idea and given up.
      >the wheel
      Were there even roads yet? The amount of friction must be immense when you can only use wood and simple tools. And all this time you could just use a donkey or horse to transport things. It's amazing that it took off at all.
      >or the bow
      As with the other things, you need perfect materials to make it work. It's a bizarre idea in general, I wouldn't even imagine that it could work if it wasn't for the countless examples. Why build this weird mechanism when you can just throw a spear which is much sturdier and heavier? Even with a spear you need to craft a sharp rock and properly attach it to a stick, which is hard when you have no modern tools.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Here , I just assesed the hurdles of inventing things like 6000 years ago. Let's see if an animal is capable of doing that.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    that's what I'm saying.

    if you think you would've invented the wheel when so many millions of humans never did, you're clearly too stupid to be alive.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    before we can even start to compare other animals we'd have to figure out what's natural for humans.

    [...]
    That still doesn't make sense. You can differentiate between 157 grams and 183 grams of sugar without knowing the exact amounts. Anon claimed that humans can not innately comprehend numbers higher than 5 but it's obvious that 7 lions are more dangerous than 6. I guess ''innate comprehension'' means that you can mentally process these values without having any visual cue or memorized rule.

    >I guess ''innate comprehension'' means that you can mentally process these values without having any visual cue or memorized rule.
    yes, I think innate implies not learned.

    >this is essentially proof that most of what you call intelligence in humans is learned
    I never argued that einstein could've created the theory of relativity if he got raised by retards and went to retard school. However, humans do have excellent learning skills, communication skills, problem solving skills and long term thinking skills. It all adds up to a great package. We're group animals, you can't just take that out of the equation. Dolphins or crows or aliens didn't teach us how to build society, we did it ourselves. It took a lot of time and collaboration but we still did it.
    Also you still don't seem too understand my thought experiment because you're too fixated on making your point. You're ignoring the scale and time window for the sake of saying ''I'm right and you're wrong''.

    >humans do have excellent learning skills, communication skills, problem solving skills and long term thinking skills.
    only if fed a proper diet which is extremely rare throughout our history and the world.
    and then only if taught early. People that don't learn speech and such at an early age tend to be retarded for life.
    >Dolphins or crows or aliens didn't teach us how to build society, we did it ourselves
    we did not.
    nobody here has contributed anything to the advancement of humanity. When you say "we," you're talking about other people. That's my point.
    >for the sake of saying ''I'm right and you're wrong''.
    I never said you're wrong. I'm ignoring your "thought experiment" because it's been done and it comes out as I suggest.
    if it fails to conclude as I suggest, the people conducting the "thought experiment" are uninformed or simply stupid.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >only if fed a proper diet and then only if taught early
      I'll go back to my original point about my hamster: non-human animals are unconditionally retarded.
      >When you say "we," you're talking about other people.
      Yes, so what? Not a single other animal has accomplished anything comparable. Yes, smart people created society in increments. No smart animal has ever created anything of significance. No cherrypicked smart animal is even capable of it under ideal conditions. There are experiments conducted to intentionally make animals seem smart, the biggest reason why they're impressive is because we have low expectations of animals.
      Some bird once learned 500 words (probably without understanding them) and it got famous. If a human can only learn 500 words in its life it's retarded.
      >I never said you're wrong. I'm ignoring your "thought experiment" because it's been done and it comes out as I suggest.
      This isn't how thought experiments work unless they're extremely simple.
      >and it comes out as I suggest
      You only said what doesn't come out. You haven't said what does come out.
      >this is an important point and I'll say it again: you did NOT do it. You did NOT collaborate.
      This isn't an important point. When I say ''we'' I refer to our species in its entirety. I do get where you're coming from but you're just aggressively arguing against a strawman that only exist in your schizophrenic head.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > Cats are often assumed to be more intelligent than wolves and dogs
    I like cats but they’re little retards

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >No whale or dolphin has ever built a trap
    Incorrect. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_ring_feeding a simple trap, but it works for their needs. The lack of more sophisticated or closer looking to what we consider traps is more likely less because of lack of intelligence but lack of motor ability. Not much can be crafted when you are limited to using your mouth and tail.
    >or a barricade or a shelter
    As above, one big factor is more lack of motor skill. And second, those are far less sturdy, harsher to make and overall less useful in the ocean. Maybe if they were smaller and had better way to interact with objects they would bother making those, as octopus do.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >since animals do not do tricks like we do their intelligence is lower because everything we do is intelligent
    >trick we can't do and they could is irrelevant to intelligence
    >no other argument except i don't know what is conciosness definition
    >you stupid
    lmao

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What does it mean to innately comprehend a number?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What does it mean to innately comprehend a number?
      It means the rat will innately prefer the box with one food over that with none. It will innately prefer the box with 2 foods over one. And the box with 3 foods over 2 or one. However beyond 3 foods per box it does not differentiate because it does not innately understand and differentiate numbers higher than 3.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        this [...]

        can also be measured with threats

        The rabbit innately prefers the box with no hawk silhouettes over that with one. It will prefer the box with one silhouette over that with two. It will prefer the box with 2 silhouettes over the one with 3. Beyond 3 hawk silhouettes the rabbit no longer shows a preference because they don't understand numbers higher than 3.

        That still doesn't make sense. You can differentiate between 157 grams and 183 grams of sugar without knowing the exact amounts. Anon claimed that humans can not innately comprehend numbers higher than 5 but it's obvious that 7 lions are more dangerous than 6. I guess ''innate comprehension'' means that you can mentally process these values without having any visual cue or memorized rule.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this

      >What does it mean to innately comprehend a number?
      It means the rat will innately prefer the box with one food over that with none. It will innately prefer the box with 2 foods over one. And the box with 3 foods over 2 or one. However beyond 3 foods per box it does not differentiate because it does not innately understand and differentiate numbers higher than 3.

      can also be measured with threats

      The rabbit innately prefers the box with no hawk silhouettes over that with one. It will prefer the box with one silhouette over that with two. It will prefer the box with 2 silhouettes over the one with 3. Beyond 3 hawk silhouettes the rabbit no longer shows a preference because they don't understand numbers higher than 3.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    First of all, "intelligence" is subjective. Humans are probably the most intelligent beings on earth because humans are the ones who decide what it means to be "intelligent."

    Even if you could hook up an infant dolphin brain to a human body in such a way that all the senses and motor functions "worked", it seems unlikely (from both an evolutionary and divine design perspective) that it would be particularly "intelligent" in ways we would recognize, simply because the dolphin brain is not intended to perform intelligently in command of a terrestrial tool-using persistence hunter.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Statistical likelihood that the poster is a woman drops off with knowledge and intelligence as quickly as it drops off with a lack of it.
    above a certain point that's true, but nobody itt has yet demonstrated thought above the typical range of women.

    most here are male-normal. You for example appear to be in the IQ range of most men. Well below normal for women.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My IQ is 150 and I'd happily sodomize both of you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        sounds pretty gay

        my IQ is also above 150 and I prefer to insert my penis into vaginae

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah no homo but cute nerds are my type. Just hmu if you change your mind.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    chimps haven't really changed since the last time human ancestors mated with them. We were able to mate with them because we were them.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >actually thinking that's how evolution works
    >actually thinking that's how humans evolved
    Are you a 5th grader?

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Interestingly, practicing math results in better mathematical ability.
    I'm genuinely interested in whether you're trolling or not now. It's like you're trying to cram as much bait as possible into each post.
    Also stealing my insult because you can't come up with your own lol

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm genuinely interested in whether you're trolling or not now.
      his knowledge that many animals innately recognize number up to 3 is indication enough that he knows far more than you.

      presumably he's much more intelligent than you as well.

      or she is. Statistical likelihood that the poster is a woman increases with knowledge and intelligence.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        hello newfriend

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you were in diapers when I started posting here.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not so smart now are we?

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Chimps barely figured out the hitting rock while humans used the hitting rock to dig before they made the digging rock ages ago
    yeah, that's a common mistake among lesser minds

    1. Humans are the chimps that figured out bone breaking rocks and other rocks. We are literally just those chimps.
    2. Chimps presumably figured out hitting rocks before humans figured out digging rocks, because we are literally those chimps.

    carry on.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >an orca is good at being an orca
    people lived for thousands of years like this, most of our time, just following the food
    >if its environment changes too much it will die. it's a better life calculator but they can't adapt as a species
    you are talking out of your ass now, you can't possibly know which evolution strategy is better, and it's doesn't equals intelligence
    orcas have been here for 11000000 years which is much longer than us
    there are huge number of changes which humans would not survive and some very stupid animals would

    >orcas simply aren't conscious in the way that we are
    what the fuck consciousness even has to do with what you said earlier and what we know about orcas? Do you think intelligence=conciousness?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If humans go extinct it's either because
      a - We're exploiting the earth so well that it causes a mass extinction (probably including orcas)
      b - We collectively decide that having children isn't worth it. So far we've already hacked the system by inventing birth control. Despite that our population is still growing.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The rate at which a hammering rock became so many things suggests so.
    literally tens of thousands of years between each innovation. Millions of people lived and died without ever inventing a better rock, despite making and using rocks every day.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This level of retardation shouldn't be possible and yet here we are.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >all it takes is one smart human telling everyone how he thinks about things, and then the whole tribe, even the complete morons, has rational thought.
    we have a long history of killing that smart person, and even here among the morons, your superior ideas won't be understood or accepted. You will at best be mocked for daring to try to be better than the company.
    >every human culture has the idea of a higher self you cultivate
    an interesting topic for the archaeology and history buffs. But not really true I don't think. Our mistake is usually to not count as a culture those cultures that lack what we consider defining characteristics. Or to mistake learned behaviors for innate.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >they can't do math well without calculators
    That's just you and generally morons like you.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    dolphins have synthetic language and they operate in thousand-strong superpacks, i don't think dong can do it

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    possible, but the multiple possible uses for bows that took tens of thousands of years to be exploited seems to strongly suggest otherwise.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    exactly right, but our 'external' brain as you characterize it does not care about our individual or group survival and will presumably be the death of us as a species.

    and most members of our 'external' brain are too stupid individually to do anything about that, even if they recognize the problem.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >A smart ape can't figure out how to use a hammer properly, ever,
    neither will a human if they're never taught.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >no really
    most of our history is marked by complete retards caused by lack of vital nutrients or poisoning from dietary toxins.
    >If you put a bunch of tribal africans together they would accomplish more creative behavior in a week
    nah, modern man existed for literally hundreds of thousands of years before inventing the bow.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The dumbest fucking gorilla "human" has better problem solving capacity than any animal
    that's not true, but you'd have to have superior skill to recognize inferior ones. If you're an idiot, everyone seems brilliant.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which is why you're experiencing such cognitive dissonance.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Which is why you're experiencing such cognitive dissonance.
        I come here for comforting confirmation of my beliefs, and you never fail to provide it. This is the opposite of dissonance.

        Why did it take humans so long to progress from pebble tools to utilized flakes? From utilized flakes to hand axes? From hand axes to spears? From spears to darts? From darts to bows?

        All these mysteries are conveniently answered by suggesting humans aren't actually all that smart based on innate ability alone. That most of what we call intelligence is just imitation, and that if our problem solving skills are elevated it's probably because of this imitation combined with an extraordinary diet allowed by tens of thousands of years of extremely slow technological innovations by the tiny handful of humans that are actually intelligent.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >All these mysteries are conveniently answered by suggesting humans aren't actually all that smart based on innate ability alone.
          So you are actually experiencing cognitive dissonance.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Malnourished african bushmen are building bows.
    they're not malnourished, and they're not inventing bows.

    actual malnourishment results in profound retardation.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Interesting, nice reply.

    >A cetacean has never tried to do anything but be what it was born to be and do it well.

    Would it even be possible to measure non human intelligence to that of humans, with that context in mind? Like, would an orca be considered more intelligent than an acutal diagnosed retard?

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >its pretty much all language.
    the learning part, yes.
    the nutrition part is much more critical but gets ignored most of the time.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    most of what you call intelligence in humans is the product of learning and nutrition. Take those away and humans aren't more intelligent than rats. As this board demonstrates daily.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats a great way to put it acctually.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Intelligence is the ability to learn, dummy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Intelligence is the ability to learn, dummy.
        like all organs, your capacity to learn expands with use and shrinks with disuse.

        you for example probably couldn't learn your way out of a cardboard box because you cannot imagine how learning might increase your ability to learn.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >take away human intelligence and humans aren't intelligent
      Hurr durr

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes, you're getting it.

        hell, even leave human intelligence and most of you are barely above chimps in problem solving capacity. Well below crows.
        You make the error of thinking some humans are smart and you're a human so you must be smart.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          All that intelligence and you still didn't manage to problem solve your way into having sex lmfao

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I gave my hamster a perfect diet and sent him to school but he's still stupid somehow

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I gave my hamster a perfect diet and sent him to school but he's still stupid somehow
        yes, you're beginning to learn.

        just because human intelligence is mostly the product of enrichment does NOT imply that other animals will benefit similarly from the same enrichment.

        nor does it change the fact that humans are not much smarter than hamsters without enrichment, nor that most humans have less problem solving capacity than hamsters even with it. You for example cannot work these problems out.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This gives me an idea. What if we build a giant park and put human babies in it. They get a minimum amount of stuff to survive but don't have any other form of contact with society. How will they develop in 20-1000 years?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This gives me an idea
            it's not a new idea, and that's exactly what I was aiming you at.

            we would love to do that. But ethics and such.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I never asked whether I'm the first person in history who came up with it.
              >we would love to do that. But ethics and such.
              Thanks captain obvious. We can still treat it as a thought experiment.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >We can still treat it as a thought experiment.
                it's been done.

                I'm not suggesting that your idea need to be new. I'm telling you there's a body of work on the topic already, I've read much of that work, and I'm steering you towards it on purpose.
                It's a topic of some debate, but if you start reading up on twin studies, feral children, etc, you'll likely come to same conclusions I have.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it's been done.
                Not by you because your only conclusion is ''humans are dumb''
                >feral children
                That's not at all the same as my thought experiment. Feral children spent their entire lives around creatures dumber than they are over a relatively short period of time. You don't get a reaction out of an animal by inventing new sounds and movements. Also some feral children were retarded from the beginning.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Feral children spent their entire lives around creatures dumber than they are
                yes, this is essentially proof that most of what you call intelligence in humans is learned, not innate.

                not sure how you failed to grasp that.

                if you're wondering if intelligence is mostly learned or innate, you can only find out by removing the learning.

                your failure to grasp this very simple concept is further proof that humans such as yourself are actually extremely dumb.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this is essentially proof that most of what you call intelligence in humans is learned
                I never argued that einstein could've created the theory of relativity if he got raised by retards and went to retard school. However, humans do have excellent learning skills, communication skills, problem solving skills and long term thinking skills. It all adds up to a great package. We're group animals, you can't just take that out of the equation. Dolphins or crows or aliens didn't teach us how to build society, we did it ourselves. It took a lot of time and collaboration but we still did it.
                Also you still don't seem too understand my thought experiment because you're too fixated on making your point. You're ignoring the scale and time window for the sake of saying ''I'm right and you're wrong''.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It took a lot of time and collaboration but we still did it.
                this is an important point and I'll say it again

                you did NOT do it. You did NOT collaborate.

                smart people improved society and you idiots claimed you helped or had anything to do with it. You're parasites. I am a parasite as well, but I don't pretend to be the same people as improved society. I am not an inventor or an engineer or a doctor or any other sort of innovator.
                And neither are you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The ideal orphanage
            The Teddy K. Memorial Forest School for Gifted Youngsters

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      retard take, feral children still demonstrate human-level inteligence and problem solving capabilities

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats a great way to put it acctually.

      same retarded fag

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Because, under water and especially without hands and arms there is not really anything you can do, to show signs of intelligence other than the stuff we already see dolphins do?
    There absolutely is. You could find a congregation of humans on a beach, then start to place a pattern of alternating sticks and rocks in front of them. You could find a boat and tap rhythms on the side of it. Anything that demonstrates a communicative ability.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You could find a congregation of humans on a beach, then start to place a pattern of alternating sticks and rocks in front of them
      How, on a shallow beach, without getting stranded?
      Also, doesnt dolphins show this type of communicative intelligence already? There are videos when they pick up dropped phones and stuff

      >You could find a boat and tap rhythms on the side of it.
      Dont dolphins like do that already?

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