Invasive species can't stop winning.

So the problem isn't the presence of the horses, it's that they're overpopulated. White tailed deer are also overpopulated in parts of the US but they get a pass just because they're native?

Clearly the answer is to reintroduce wolves and other predators.

>basic ecology says when a herbivore doesnt have a predator their population increases
>humans displaced wolves and other predators and created a favorable suburban environment for deer to survive, so deer increased in population
>"ITS NOT REAL. ITS NEVER BEEN REAL. ITS NEVER GOING TO BE REAL" (pic related, you)

I've seen it happen in my area first hand. Deer don't like the taste of foreign plants so they eat everything else, and then the stiltgrass and barberry and other shitty Asian weeds take over. But studies show that native plants are able to outcompete these weeds if they're allowed to grow, so deer are fricking things up by overbrowsing everything.

Keep denying reality

Comparing mammoths to deer lmao

This moron is doubtlessly a paleotard and the vegan that posts garden of eden nonsense just based on moronation levels

Carnivores are absolutely necessary for a properly functioning ecosystem. At least one herbivore species will always specialize in low grazing and browsing and develop a reproductive rate that allows them to surpass the rate at which those plants replenish. Carnivores are nature's immune system, designed to curb the disease of herbivory (nature prefers plants to animals) and perform other basic functions like distributing the biomass of corpses over a wider area to fertilize more plants.

Humans and dogs are obligate meat eaters. We need it to survive in natural circumstances. Desperately trying to cobble together the missing nutrients with domesticated GMO hyper-crops shipped from another hemisphere and factory-produced supplements is not natural circumstances - nor does it address all of your nutrient deficiencies - nor is it the best possible course of action. Livestock are excellent at recycling all the plant material we can't even digest into delicious meat and eggs.

Humans did not evolve to subsist entirely on fatty prime cuts of pen-raised wagyu cows either. Eating nothing but fatty and processed red meats is bad for you. We evolved to eat lean, gamey meats, fish, organs, eggs, and bone barrow. We also did not evolve to subsist on sugar bomb domesticated produce and instead are meant to eat a wide variety of nutrient dense wild berries.

Actually, hunter propaganda is that whitetail populations are threatened when they are returned to carrying capacity, so they need to be issued wolf tags ASAP. There is nothing "the hunting lobby" hates more than ecological balance between predators and prey. Especially because it reveals the ecological damage done by their friends in the ranching and lumber lobbies. Caribou can only be threatened by wolves if their habitat is destroyed so they're unable to escape and hide from predators, for example, but canada blames wolves instead of loggers and ranchers.

>Actually, hunter propaganda is that whitetail populations are threatened when they are returned to carrying capacity
No it isn't, you lying little glowBlack person.

>horses
>invasive species

I know I can't expect much from paranoid rightoids, but really, you're using horses in america as your example of invasive species?

>The original american horse was smaller
as was the original eurasian horse. Is the horse invasive in eurasia as well?
the horse is perfectly suitable to the north american ecosystem, the only issues it has are because of the removal of predators

Hate to break this to you, m8, but farm animals don't have natural ranges. This is what a wild horse actually looks like. You're basically arguing for packs of poodles to roam the Canadian taiga.

>Equus ferus przewalskii (Przewalskiis' horse)
>Equus ferus caballus (Domestic horse)
You're legitimately mentally moronic.

I don't, the proper name is E. ferus caballus. You have schizophrenia.

>Domestic farm animals are not wild species
species don't have to be wild to be distinct species, dude. What an idiot. Frick you.

https://i.imgur.com/YIyXiFw.png

I don't, the proper name is E. ferus caballus. You have schizophrenia.

so is this paleoschizo too?

it's a thread about some paranoid schizo losing his mind about studies suggesting that non-native species aren't automatically bad for the ecosystem and in some cases can be beneficial because he believes it's a conspiracy to bring in immigrants.
If it's not paleoschizo is someone just like him.
the sad truth is that there is more than one schizo on this board, and people like him vote and influence the choices that affect all of us

kinda sounds like you’re just arguing from emotion because the implications attack your own beliefs

https://i.imgur.com/gmnCmBG.jpg

Only idiots ever believed that and it's been WELL established for years now that they're the same species. And here's what horses in Europe used to look like before humans domesticated them. Look familiar? The Tarpan, as I already said isn't a valid taxon as it's just a pony breed and the only illustration and photograph of one clearly prove this. The CORRECT name of the "Przewalski's" (Wild) Horse is just Equus ferus ferus. The Tarpan is Equus ferus caballus, but horsegirls (particularly Europoors) get really offended by this, so that's why it took decades to even work out the true genetics.

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You ought to have seen the truly fricking idiotic system the Eurogays had worked out for where they thought horses came from and how many species there were. It was utter nonsense.

so przewalskis horses are just wild regular horses? don't they have different numbers of chromosomes? surely they've got to be at least different subspecies right?
t. I don't actually know anything about this stuff just curious

Only idiots ever believed that and it's been WELL established for years now that they're the same species. And here's what horses in Europe used to look like before humans domesticated them. Look familiar? The Tarpan, as I already said isn't a valid taxon as it's just a pony breed and the only illustration and photograph of one clearly prove this. The CORRECT name of the "Przewalski's" (Wild) Horse is just Equus ferus ferus. The Tarpan is Equus ferus caballus, but horsegirls (particularly Europoors) get really offended by this, so that's why it took decades to even work out the true genetics.

>Equus ferus przewalskii (Przewalskiis' horse)
>Equus ferus caballus (Domestic horse)
You're legitimately mentally moronic.

You ought to have seen the truly fricking idiotic system the Eurogays had worked out for where they thought horses came from and how many species there were. It was utter nonsense.

Yeah, I will probably always hate Eric Scott for his fricking idiocy. He is almost single-handedly why I coined the term "Nidosense". It comes from the root for "niche sense", meaning the ability to use your basic common sense to realize there's no way in fricking hell there were 40 fricking species of horses in Late Pleistocene North America. Only a complete moron who is terrible at ecology would even think that's possible. This is one of the reasons I will NEVER stop my crusade against cladist morons. That entire group of modern soientist idiots views science as a career path, not an honorable endeavor, so splitting species as much as humanly possible is their only goal because then they get to name them after all their buddies and sometimes family members! Isn't that great? It also fricks taxonomy all to hell. The worst part is, a lot of these "species" were named after a single tooth or broken mandible. It's absurd. And biologists haven't stopped doing it.

I don't study Late Pleistocene megafauna so much anymore. Now I'm into Dinosaurs because the age of mammals was a mistake that needs to be corrected. But I know from studying other taxonomic groups how FRICKING GRUELING comparing all the fake bullshit names of clearly the same animal can be and when you tell people these are clearly the same them acting like you're insane for 30 years then just all calmly agreeing you were right one day like it was nothing. This is one of the things I fricking hate most about soientists.

I always wondered why these cave paintings, while also being skillfully done, were also so plump looking. Did they come from the painter's personal tastes or their painterly trends at the time?

what kind of diseased mind can look at that story and make that connection

There has been an explicit push to stop using the term "invasive species" because the way it gets described sounds too much like criticism of mass immigration. It's not much of a stretch to imagine they're still doing it. Here's two opinion pieces from shitlib tabloids where they do exactly that, and make no attempt whatsoever to downplay the ideological motivations:
https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/22796160/invasive-species-climate-change-range-shifting
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/16/biodiversity-and-the-use-of-nativist-language

Lots of anti-2A people make explicit exemptions for hunting though, and a lot of pro-2A people look down upon "Fudds" who only care about hunting

Well now I'm curious. How is it different from normal pork?

H...hot.
Wait does that mean that every example of some c**ter shooting a huge male wild boar isn't even eating all that meat? It's just to feel superior because of their micropenis? Who would've thought.

>They'll literally eat all of north america alive if left unchecked
Funny, that's exactly what they also said about Asian carp, lanternflies, snakeheads, ash borers, Burmese pythons, etc etc etc.
Pigs have been here since the Spanish brought them. We used to have giant peccaries up in the north during the Ice Age. Why are they suddenly just a problem now? Maybe it has to do with wolves and cougars being extirpated from their former range...

"People" that think "rewilding" means just introducing a bunch of invasive species are morons and will be executed.

Rewilding is based, we need more whimsy in nature. Who gives a shit if its native or not, I don't want to live in a place where our largest "megafauna" are raccoons.

>because they heavily crossbred with domesticated pigs.
I was talking about feral hogs - in the states we often call them wild boars interchangeably. And they would be from domestic stock in that example.

escapes from farms, that's how 99% of them get out. I think you're a schizo.

It always makes me laugh when I tell people that the pathetic *men* who go and shoot gamebirds on game reserves pay a breeder for the pheasants and have someone release them into the reserve especially for *men* to shoot.
On one hand if these *men* have such small penises and such low testosterone that they absolutely HAVE to go and shoot something, this is objectively the most environmentally-friendly way of doing it.
On the other, it's so pathetic that it's funny.

>Clostridium perfringens, Bacillus cereus, and Clostridium botulinum can all survive temperatures above 100c for hours, and then when brought back down to 5c to 55c they start producing the toxins again
they start producing the toxins *in anaerobic environments*
which is why if you can something you have to do what's called a botulinum cook which does kill them
you're not going to get botulism from something that has never been sealed