If Danny Vendraminis theory about neanderthals being supercarnivores is true then that would basically mean that neanderthals were bipedal euopean chimps on steroids. Truly one of the worst creatures this planet ever saw.
If Danny Vendraminis theory about neanderthals being supercarnivores is true then that would basically mean that neanderthals were bipedal euopean chi...
Danny Vendraminis is a hack. he's not an archeologist, not an anthropologist, the fact there is neanderthal DNA in the modern human genome alone throws his image out the window.
>If Danny Vendraminis theory about neanderthals being supercarnivores is true
The super carnivores part is true, but no more so than it is for us. The depiction of the Neanderthal as some hulking gorilla monster is literally just a creationist so offended by the concept of another human species that he’s thinking “how can I make it look as scary as possible and then later loosely attach that to anatomical features”.
His retarded theory includes shit like:
>they had larger eye sockets, therefore were nocturnal
The other great apes have eye sockets bigger than ours, yet are all diurnal. He does this to make them seem like inhuman monsters that go bump in the night, which isn’t true
>since they were nocturnal they had slit pupils
This is retarded, we have fully nocturnal primates like tarsiers with eyes that completely dwarf any ape’s and they still have round pupils. Only a few mammals like cats and foxes have slit pupils
>they were human predators which is why we wiped them out
If this were the case then we should find plenty of human bones in Neanderthal garbage piles with the rest of their prey, yet we don’t. Not to mention we never wiped out tigers, bears, etc despite them also being our predators. Maybe they did occasionally kill us, but it’s not like ancient Homo sapiens weren’t doing the same to other Homo sapiens. All in all the guy is a crackpot
Did someone say somethin bout dem sciences we gotta trust?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22998852/
Results: Happiness is significantly associated with IQ. Those in the lowest IQ range (70-99) reported the lowest levels of happiness compared with the highest IQ group (120-129). Mediation analysis using the continuous IQ variable found dependency in activities of daily living, income, health and neurotic symptoms were strong mediators of the relationship, as they reduced the association between happiness and IQ by 50%.
If you’re unhappy, you’re just not smart enough to solve that problem :^)
>the highest IQ group (120-129)
kek
the highest iq man on earth is pretty happy too just saying (iq estimated to be between 190 and 210)
here he is petting one of his horses.
>retards built this
>geniuses moped
>somehow their genes survive today
nonsense tbh
holy shit stop replying to yourself
He can't pretend to be smart any more than I can pretend to be stupid. You can't tell the difference, so you are stupid.
mf looks like Miss Simian.
well good thing we know it's a load of retarded schizophrenic nonsense
homo sapiens are already supercarnivores
also if you're not african you already have a good deal of neanderthal genes
~~*Neanderthals*~~ were much worse than that OP.
Neanderthals are fucking based. If they were like how OP says that would just make them more based.
*AHEM*
>live in ice age europe 10 times longer than modern europeans
>black skin
>flat nose
>despite having forward projecting nasal bones
If you believe this theory you're so dumb I can't even find words for it.
calm down, nobody believes that tripe. Nobody itt is even discussing it. Paleoschizo is just paleoschizoing again.
Wrong thread buddy.
it was ridiculously wrong. a carnivorous great ape looks like this and there is no reason to believe neanderthals were that different. like us they had clear adaptations for a sedentary, tool using life, and modern humans were actually better adapted to be traditional predators from more time spent in africa.
neanderthals carnivorous adaptations did not go far beyond those of the inuit, but they did eat plants whenever they could find them. we know from coprolites and isotopic anaysis of fossil teeth. their diet likely resembled a pre-agricultural european diet. protein intake was 50-60% fish if not inland, berries, mushrooms, and tubers were scavenged when possible, etc.
neanderthals were the near-peers of ancient man which is why they interbred prolifically enough to punch through the species barrier, but they suffered from racial autism and lower levels of empathy from a less developed higher brain, inferior culture for passing down knowledge, and could not use advanced abilities like animal domestication, so they went extinct in the inevitable and constant tribal conflicts.
depression, schizophrenia, autism, and allergies are their genetic legacy. yes, really.
Yeah
https://www.sapiens.org/biology/neanderthal-diet/
They were basically dumb native americans: europe edition
>neanderthal autism
https://newsroom.uw.edu/story/human-neanderthal-gene-variance-involved-autism
From a gene that would be an adaptation to famine.
Thanks a fucking lot neandershits
First link points to an article written by Anna Goldfield. I'm just saiyan
>according to the garden gnomes people by water ate lots of fish and people inland ate lots of megafauna, and people in cold climates ate fewer plants than people in warm climates
oy vey.
I don't read gnomish articles, so i couldn't argue.
>depression, schizophrenia, autism, and allergies are their genetic legacy. yes, really.
3, possibly 4 of these are strongly correlated to higher intelligence in humans.
and lower life achievement if you rely on them to do better on an IQ test
what good is your intelligence if it's in the same class as a shiba inu's hidden obedience potential and you can't adapt to a life you don't really like and just do stuff because you should? you can't be pressured into too much social interaction, you can only do stuff that interests you, you can't have a job that needs you to go somewhere that freaks out out...
a better question is what use is genius in a forest when technology consists of rocks and sticks and fur?
but the idea that they lacked developed culture seems questionable even today when the great "human" advancements are actually made by depressed autistic people who have very little chance of reproductive success in a society of generally dumber individuals that benefit from their works while excluding them from the social rewards.
it's possible neanderthals invented fishing and farming and writing, and were killed for it.
Early major human advancements were made by chads who were of average intelligence with higher levels of charisma and empathy.
Pure homo also had better made and more diverse tools, even before they ran into neanderthals, so neanderthals were either incapable of reliably forming a great culture with knowledge passed down and refined through the generations, or possibly, too dumb, and relying on genetic failures to reclaim some intelligence and scrape by.
People with the symptoms of ancient outbreeding depression are over-represented among the intelligent (and Neurotypical geniuses do exist despite that), but they rely on the personal social connections of and the systems built by purer, less affected humans for their knowledge to disseminate, and to acquire funding and raw materials for their pursuits. A society of nothing but such schizophrenic shut ins would accomplish nothing. However you slice it the neanderthal mind was inferior.
>Early major human advancements were made by chads who were of average intelligence with higher levels of charisma and empathy.
there's no reason to think that, it certainly hasn't been true during our recorded history.
>Pure homo also had better made and more diverse tools,
In North America, the cultures with better and more diverse tools were all replaced fairly quickly by ones that could make one tool quickly, and use it for lots of different things.
what you consider "better" may very well be worse.
>Early major human advancements were made by chads who were of average intelligence with higher levels of charisma and empathy.
How the fuck can you be so sure about this?
>the great "human" advancements are actually made by depressed autistic people who have very little chance of reproductive success in a society of generally dumber individuals that benefit from their works while excluding them from the social rewards.
insane level of cope, this is you btw
brainlets never consider what it'd be like being a genius in the stone age. Be like Beethoven born before musical instruments or Da Vinci before paint.
The sheer stupidity of your fellow persons would be painful to see, and the complete lack of interesting things to do and see and create would be hell. Very similar to now, dealing with you gays.
but this is something dumb people aren't capable of imagining, because they're constantly entertained by dumb people things. You have no idea where ideas come from, as you don't have any. You remain untroubled by thought, and don't understand that people much smarter than you lived and died in times and places where intelligence would just be some awful sort of torture. You are the thing torturing intelligent people by living happily without ever thinking. How can you be happy like that? Are you rabbits or squirrels that go through live never reflecting on what they're doing, how they're doing it, or why? How boring and narrow your mind must be.
Hey retard, stone age man had a larger brain. And he was constantly engaged in the world.
You're sad because you don't have to craft well made arrowheads to eat but honestly you'd die anyways because you're too lazy and effeminate
>stone age man had a larger brain. And he was constantly engaged in the world.
yes. that's what I said.
learn to read
better yet, learn to think.
stupid monke
If you think you said that you're not intelligent enough to communicate clearly. Most BEING SMART IS SO DEPRESSING fuckwits aren't that smart, after all. Intelligence isn't what causes depression. It's your low testosterone and low levels of social dominance. It's how you spent your childhood thinking you were better than other people and destined for a higher station. It's how you willingly isolated yourself because "they aren't smart enough to have a REAL discussion with".
Stone age man was likely more intelligent on average, because he had to think to survive and even if someone was dumb he had to think to make use of that, to survive. You are barely self aware and actually describing how being a genius past the stone is undesirable and how agriculture selects against intelligence.
>It's your low testosterone and low levels of social dominance.
Except I'm wealthy and very high T
>It's how you spent your childhood thinking you were better than other people
yes
>and destined for a higher station.
of course not
>It's how you willingly isolated yourself because "they aren't smart enough to have a REAL discussion with".
If you've never thought of this on your own, what's the point of you disagreeing with people that have? It's literally something that has never crossed your mind. Indicating you're not capable of imagining it because you've never experienced intellectual boredom or existential thought.
>because he had to think to survive
I get bored with designing enormous and extremely complex industrial structures. Imagine how quickly a real person would get bored with chasing cows off a cliff for the 5000th time.
you can't imagine this, you don't get bored. Because you don't think. All the people that had thoughts died off, and you're the result of their disappearance.
>If you've never thought of this on your own, what's the point of you disagreeing with people that have? It's literally something that has never crossed your mind. Indicating you're not capable of imagining it because you've never experienced intellectual boredom or existential thought.
I never thought this on my own because I am not a haughty presupposing fuckwit. The dumbest man on earth is still an asset to me and I do not have a biological need to talk about exactly why immanuel kant was a retard with him nor is his intelligence a biological contagion.
>I get bored with designing enormous and extremely complex industrial structures. Imagine how quickly a real person would get bored with chasing cows off a cliff for the 5000th time.
You get bored with a mostly idle, routine based life. If you are actually intelligent, you have full knowledge of the fact that you can survive without doing any of this and exactly how easy it would be. The absence of genuine struggle eliminates all feelings of accomplishment and dominance which the human brain evolved to require. Simply thinking that you have lost, or were never playing, causes a psychogenic flatline or reduction in testosterone levels, while believing that some victory has been achieved has the opposite effect. And no matter how aware you are of your moods and their causes, they still affect the rest of your brain, which is why you are depressed, slowly losing your intelligence, and stuck in a pointless sedentary routine based life.
An intelligent man in the stone age was having a GREAT time, if not the greatest time, because he was the most successful out of all his peers and was sought out for his advice rather than employed as a cog.
>you can't imagine this, you don't get bored. Because you don't think. All the people that had thoughts died off, and you're the result of their disappearance.
Haughty presupposing fuckwits like you substitute self assured rhetoric for actual pattern recognition skills.
>pattern recognition skills.
ah, the apophenic paleoschizo
I thought I smelled a fucking retard.
>people much smarter than you lived and died in times and places where intelligence would just be some awful sort of torture
intelligence wasn't torture
it was useful on a day to day basis
maybe you should have read fewer shitty books that programmed your mind with routines of gayy angst and fantasy and worked on paleolithic pursuits like predicting the seasons, making stone tools, and determining animal migration patterns without the help of almanacs, calendars, or computers
fucking midwit
have a nice day 105 IQ scum
>it was useful on a day to day basis
pfft
It absolutely wasn't. That's why they were constantly killing their neighbors. Absolute and extreme fucking boredom. You need something to do with all those brains, and challenging the neighbors was the only intellectual pursuit available. And even then you wouldn't care if you died, because fuck a world where you have an enormous brain and no use for it.
this "man" has no clue
actually no clue
he actually thinks that intelligence wasn't used or that people were bored
he is projecting his clinical depression onto the historic and prehistoric people who founded his entire civilization out of "boredom" - actually, a pathological addiction to the sensation of success, one of the most underrated biological realities of the human experience, that man loves conquest more than food.
Like I said, your intelligence is waning. You are replacing genuine intelligence with rhetoric. You are falling into routines and losing your purpose, living a life without anything your instincts can spin as success. Here you are grasping at straws trying to accuse me of being some paleo-retard for using a common term that's nearly synonymous with ~g~ , because that's your daily dose of winning for today.
And now you will pathologically stick to the idea that you nailed it because that's what you need. But you don't know it. The connections in your neocortex are being pared away by the day, your hippocampus is shrinking. gray matter is vacating your insula at a prodigious rate, robbing you of a well formed self concept. A self fulfilling monkeys paw wish - the depressed figures that intelligence made him unhappy. So he loses it, remains unhappy, and is now too dumb to be as happy as he could have been if he were simply not a gay. Only when he is finally too dumb to have these thoughts will he live a lowly life of struggle and then he might just be a little less depressed. His intelligence, fallen to meet the REQUIRED challenges. His balls, always to small to seek out the optional ones.
I'm telling you if you don't get bored you're not intelligent.
you're telling me you're intelligent and never bored.
one of us is mistaken. Go take a survey of high IQ types and you'll find out which one.
I already know the answer. You're not that intelligent.
You're not bored because of your intelligence. You're bored because of your personality, and your intelligence is steadily decreasing until you will finally be so incompetent that you might once again experience the sensation of challenge and success. And then, you might be less bored.
I am not bored because rather than sit idle, I seek activity. Every man has the option to bring his mind and the world to meet each other rather than figure his mind is too much for what little of the world is within arms reach.
The fact that you just implied that you don't understand the association between correlation and causation is enough for me to see how your depression is degrading your reasoning skills as thinking becomes harder for you with each passing day. if more intelligent people are depressed than not, is an intelligent man obligated to be depressed? Global testosterone levels are sinking, advances in electronic communication have left old social instincts frustratingly unfulfilled, and post-industrial society works to alienate more and more people from personal success in order to maximize wealth transfer, and governments have always thrived off the manipulation of defeated masses. There are a number of factors here. You aren't smart enough to consider all of them. You want an excuse, and you want to continue to seek until your brain is so weak that you might be forced into a challenge. Your brain is already weak, you are already beginning to fail to see. Soon what little of the world is within arms reach of your chair will be a challenge to you.
I repeated myself again here, if you don't understand yet you're hopeless
Go ahead and rot until you're a genuine retard, your life is too easy and you are too lazy to remedy that. Possibly, you were never intelligent enough to, just intelligent enough to realize your life is too easy.
>You're bored because of your personality
again, survey
lots of intelligent people
all of them.
we're all bored. If you're not bored I immediately know you're not that intelligent.
the level of egotism here is genuinely funny
Hey, if it's never crossed your mind you're probably pretty dumb.
or you've never gone camping.
Probably the very first thing you should wonder when seeing ancestral humans with bigger brains than us is what they were doing with that intelligence if they had it. It certainly wasn't memorizing seasons, stars, or plants and animals. Pretty much any idiot can do that.
the real answer is they were fighting battles of intelligence with their neighbors and telling stories about gods and animals, because intelligent people with nothing to think about and nothing to do go crazy. Basic survival took very little of their time and thought.
This retard. Knows no history, makes up sources, is probably half remembering a scientific american article.
>It certainly wasn't memorizing seasons, stars, or plants and animals.
oh, but it was. and building great libraries, founding great religions and philosophies to put forth ideas about the machinations of the world, not just fighting but winning, building structures, finding new ways to do things, making better tools.
Every man has the option to bring his mind and the world to meet each other rather than figure his mind is too much for what little of the world is within arms reach.
The first one to utilize metallurgy definitely wasn't an idiot. He was not lamenting his boredom. He treated it like hunger - if felt, remedy ASAP.
>Pretty much any idiot can do that.
unfortunately, they can not. they're having too many problems just surviving, even today. envy them, don't you? You are as the man who upon feeling hunger, figures he should starve and that smaller bodied, more lethargic creatures that eat less have it better.
>building great libraries, founding great religions and philosophies to put forth ideas about the machinations of the world, not just fighting but winning, building structures, finding new ways to do things, making better tools.
in the stone age?
and you think I don't read history?
you can't even keep your brain on topic for 5 minutes.
>in the stone age?
Yes. Do you think Mesopotamia came out of nowhere? That cave art had no purpose and everyone was doing it? No, a lot of people were too dumb to make cave art.
Even in the stone age intelligent men bore the burden of progress. They had more potential to be bored, but did not choose to succumb to it. It wasn't absolute retards who etched the first proto-writing into a rock or came up with the bright idea of using markings to keep track of amounts, and then, symbols to keep track of what each amount pertained to, or the profession of being the one man in the tribe who specialized in record keeping. And it was stone age men who first melted a metal, and first built a home. As the stone age became the early bronze age from their efforts, intelligent people remained largely unchanged as they went from being responsible for all the libraries of cave art and tallies to the libraries of literature.
So, yes. The very idea of a compendium of written knowledge came from the stone age (the late stone age). Religion of course came from the stone age. Architecture came from the stone age. Progress in toolmaking came from the stone age. And metalworking came from and ended it.
And here you are saying "me too smart for my job me sad".
More haughtyness. It doesn't mask your idiocy as well as you think
No, you are not intelligent because you are depressed and bored
No, you are not depressed and bored because you are intelligent
That would be like saying you are hungry because you have a high metabolism, not because you have failed to acquire food.
I was waiting for you to tell me about the great stone age libraries, buildings, religions, and philosophies
instead you change the subject and make some weak comment about cave art and iron age cultures.
look, you're an idiot. It's fine. Most people are.
idiots are particularly defensive when their stupidity is pointed out.
>moron having a general concept being explained to him: DID YEW JUST PUT STONE AGE AND LIBRARY WITHON TEW PARHEEPHS OF ECHETHER
Informal posts on Wauf do not demand rigor but yes late stone age people did lay the foundation for modern libraries by inventing record keeping.
And you see, this is all a response to how defensive you got about how depressed autists are useless leeches that can’t accomplish anything without the aid of equally intelligent neurotypicals, who can make the same advancements themselves, so actually you just self owned.
>great stone age buildings
What survived is still impressive. Yes retard, intelligent people were having a blast in the stone age and didn’t let themselves stay bored. South america stayed in the stone age until its collapse and they developed very advanced mathematics, astronomy, architecture, religion, and literature. Depressed losers left the gene pool as quickly as retards. Your depression is your fault, or, you’re smart enough to complain but not smart enough to resolve the issue. Large minds are active ones, not depressed ones
Depression is a disorder of intelligence. Calling it a consequence of intelligence is as reasonable as calling a broken bone a consequence of having bones. Technically but not in any way that matters. It’s a consequence of you not behaving intelligently. Calling it a necessary trait? Oh, so everyone with bones will break them?
It was aleays civilization that let stupidity reign and intelligence fall off a cliff resulting in angsty disordered midwits such as yourself.
>unfortunately, they can not.
you memorize all kinds of stuff and as far as I can see you're a retard. Any idiot can do it.
why do you bros always start talking like sephiroth
you're a fucking loser lmao.
>if you rely on them to do better on an IQ test
>They were basically dumb native americans: europe edition
>neanderthals were bipedal euopean chimps on steroids.
>Hey retard, stone age man had a larger brain.
This, and it gets even better after discovered that Neanderthal had a much smaller inner ear, giving him a lot less balance and agility than a modern human. How else were these clumsy, unathletic bastards hunting large game?
Is this why East Asians are all autismos?
Most likely
Is it safe to say that Neanderthals are the Nephilim or Enakim of the Bible while Homo sapiens are the ensouled evolution of Adamite and non-Adamite men?
Homo Sapiens are the direct descendants of Cain who was banished to Africa to toil and eat grass like cattle for the rest of eternity, it's the Curse of Cain.
the descendants of Cain were wiped out with the Deluge tho
as low IQ believers of prehistoric myths and legends, what do you think of OP's neanderthal theories
It's bullshit.
thank you.
Why do you find the bible credible but OP's theory incredible?
Because the Bible is a sophisticated code written by ancient philosophers and mathematicians meant to teach the masses shapes and colors and how things happen, to teach people to follow the government and not to disobey or commit natural acts of primordial law by threatening people with eternal damnation. Its use of hymmerics (don't think that's the right word but I'm too retarded to look it up, fuck you) is still prevalent today.
-Adam: Atom
-God: Government, Chief, Creator
-Eve: The beginning
-Symbols of connection are symbols of peace and happiness
-Hell: Prison
-Heaven: Completely functional utopia-esc society that is only achievable if you take part in
-Civilizations that didn't believe in this way of life are doomed
All of this worked. Especially with the garden gnomes, who are fundamentally making a Heaven on Earth each day while we toil and suffer like cattle in the plains of Africa.
Anyways back to OP's theory, it's credible at first however it's total bull cookies when you take a step back and realize a few things like how fur fossilizes and no fur has ever been found near Neanderthal graves.
Watch this schizo if you care that much: https://youtu.be/3UwuUuq5LA4
Also, if Neanderthals were brutish ape-men, it's not like it would even be a bad thing. Nature favors the bold and brash, if it didn't then Blacks wouldn't be here with us.
thanks again.
I was just curious about your thoughts. I also think the guy in OP's post is nuts.
>garden gnomes are making a heaven on earth
They, like all abrahamics, are promising one while actually making windswept plains of desolation and ash bordered by plains of windswept crops.
Abrahamic religions are a moral code meant to encourage the production of soldiers and laborers. That's all they do, really. In order to fuel war. The hebrews were at constant war with everyone else in the middle east. That's why their god is depicted committing genocide in almost every book in the old testament.
no they were moron monster killing machines that didnt wear clothes
I've said this before, but pretty much historical garden gnomes. Short, ugly gold Brickers with no soul that siphoned off actual humans.
Just look at garden gnome faces. They look like the stereotypical cave person. All the mental issues too. Intelligence faked via nepotism and info control.
Kek, I fucking called it. There's one garden gnome in here atm trying to rewrite neanderthals as not deHispanicable little rootless, soulless fucktards.
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