Personally, i think the only way to consume meat with a clean conscience is to eat animals and products that you have raised yourself, or that have been raised by people in your community that you know personally. that way, you have a personal investment in the animals' lives, you don't take them for granted and you respect them properly
t. is moving to a small town to raise chickens, quails, trout and freshwater shrimp in around 6 months time
Absolutely based. I feel the same way, and am living that life. If you can try 1+ year old rooster, and a 2 or 3 year old black angus if you haven't already. The meat is so much more flavorful it is crazy.
If you really want to go all out dry age a whole striploin. The aging tenderizes the meat, which is very helpful because 2+ year old beef can be a little tougher than most are used to.
Supplements have poor bioavailability
There is no such thing as a vegan diet that is nutritionally adequate. Vegans are a false pursuit, as micro and macro as deficient as a "carnist" who only eats raw muscle.
ALL children raised vegan suffer from developmental delays and stunting.
1: No amount of supplements can fix the fact that humans evolved to digest meat, not plants. We thrive best on meat. There are no perfect vegan diets in existence. An omnivorous diet is ALWAYS SUPERIOR.
2: There is no argument against meat except for borderline religious nonsense. Animals are a highly robust source of biomass conversion. The products of the whole carcass, not the narrow definition of "meat" people who want lab shit crave, are edible, and can be used to replace many petroleum products as well.
3: ALL vegan diets, outside of a narrow area of the earth with a stable enough climate for year round agriculture and enough arable land, are unattainable without artificial power sources. ALL artificial power sources known to man are damaging to human and planetary health. ALL petroleum products as well! Animal agriculture has been proven to function in all climates. Note: Bugs are animals. Sorry, steakies.
It follows that there is no actual reason to stop turning animals into animal products. It is simply the best thing we have. God gave us machinery to work with and there is no reason to abandon it except for borderline religious "animal souls" schizophrenic garbage spouted by mentally ill homosexuals. In fact, veganism is just embracing a fundamentally broken and harmful system of continued pollution, destruction, and overpopulation.
Ratherwe should transition from eating luxury product animals such as beef to more efficient livestock that can convert a wider range of inedible biomass into nutrient dense food with minimal cost.
Even in your perfect world where everyone is eating synthetic meat instead of real meat, there would still exist a class of humans who continue to enjoy quality meat from real animals. Eating animals would become a privilege and status symbol because only the unwashed masses eat synthetics. They'll be rubbing it in your dumb face.
Fact: vegans can not survive without fossil fuels or lithium batteries
Also fact: both of these technologies are highly destructive and their use should be limited as much as possible
Therefore it is better for the environment to limit your meat intake to sustainable, low waste sources rather than abandon all animal products.
I hate veganism because it's against any form of symbiotic relationship with animals.
take care of chickens and in return receive eggs? Nope, that's le bad!
take care of cows and in return receive their milk?
Nope, animal abuse!
take care of horses and in return receive a form of transportation that relies on a healthy relationship between the rider and the horse? Nope! apparently also animal abuse!
>how would YOU feel if YOU were a cow >living in rolling grass fields with all your cow friends >being killed painlessly before you reach the age of sickness and ill-health
Sounds pretty good, even with my human brain. With a cow brain? My god. I would be in cow heaven.
I hate veganism because it's against any form of symbiotic relationship with animals.
take care of chickens and in return receive eggs? Nope, that's le bad!
take care of cows and in return receive their milk?
Nope, animal abuse!
take care of horses and in return receive a form of transportation that relies on a healthy relationship between the rider and the horse? Nope! apparently also animal abuse!
correct
everything about these loons’ life style is unreasonable
I don't hate dogs or cats but I hate people who have dogs or cats unless they are not professional hunter, policeman, soldier or have mouse infestation
Large scale farming kills many animals. A true vegan would grow all their own food to be 100% sure no animals were harmed. Everything else is just a fake moral high ground.
I love animals, and I eat them as well. I raise my own animals in natural, and stress free environments where they never have to worry about food or predators, and in exchange I consume them at my choosing. They will be killed quickly and humanely with little to no waste. The meat will provide me with sustenance as I provided them.
This is a far better life and death than any animal could ever hope for in the wild, where the weak and sick are killed by predators that will tear them limb from limb while they are still living.
Animals do not understand the concept of a long life, and there is no difference between an animal that dies at a prime age for me to consume, or of old age.
Why do you lie? That's simply not true. Mostly, they're grazed on a cycle of patches of grassland (normally grassland that isn't economical to farm for anything else) and fed waste. That is because we're facultative carnivores and can only really eat a narrow selection of the plant life this planet can produce, which is only produced in a narrow selection of transient conditions on a narrow selection of land.
Also, we currently overconsume megafaunal fatty muscle while wasting the majority of the carcass (which we evolved to eat as surely as we evolved to eat meat in general), so we could easily cut way down on livestock feed use if americans could break their steak and ribs addiction and go back to eating chopped liver and slurping marrow out of femurs like humans were meant to. It's a great system since animals essentially digest otherwise worthless food from worthless land for us.
It's far worse than just wasting a bunch of the carcass, even the tender cuts people simp for are subject to over 26% waste at the consumer level alone.
I'm always disgusted when vegans try to spin it as an environmental issue as if malnourishing the whole planet on a diet a child objectively can not properly develop on is the correct approach to what is really an unhealthy, unbalanced diet and a hideous amount of waste.
There's a reason schwab said eat bug meal (they eat literally everything and are dried and ground whole so there's little waste) not eat beans.
The land we use for meat (both their food and their living space) could be used more sustainably for literally any other purpose. Not to mention the shipping and harvesting carbon drains. Not to mention the fact that meat is a middleman for energy. I'm sorry, but these facts don't care about your feelings; we can globally live without forcing animals to suffer.
No we can’t. Not very well. All vegans are malnourished. An animal free agricultural cycle will always waste material and be unable to utilize all of the land it could because humans are not herbivores and can only reclaim those nutrients through fermentation otherwise (humans have the same gut fermentation capability as wolves)
And no, animals dont suffer. Sorry vegan. Only humans have souls.
>All vegans are malnourished.
I'm vegan and well-nourished. Curious! >An animal free agricultural cycle will always waste material and be unable to utilize all of the land
This is precisely what makes it efficient, you use less land and less material for the same amount of nutrition.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>you use less land and less material for the same amount of nutrition.
This is how I can tell you're full of shit. If the world went vegan there would be more need for agricultural land, not less you fricking idiot.
This is because animals only eat the biproducts of crops grown for humans. The stems, the leaves, a shitty harvest, the bits we don't eat, that goes to animals. So if there was no need for livestock, the amount of plant agriculture would increase to make up for this new gap in our diet.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Wrong and obviously so because the deficiencies unique to vegans primarily impair brain function
No humans are primarily omnivores, you don't require eating meat daily to thrive.
Yes we do and always have. Unless you’re one of those morons who doesnt count fish and bugs as meat.
>source: vox.com >all sources linked: vox.com >vegan children: short and dumb >meat: only dietary choice universally correlated with increased lifespan
Vox is a propaganda outlet that needs to roll fuel crops into feed crops to spin false outrage. Food waste is a problem. Dietary imbalance (“only candy!” childlike choices) is a problem. Meat is not.
And its such a nothingburger…
We currently produce TOO MUCH FOOD to feed the maximum number of humans the earth can support even AFTER throwing half of it away.
>it's a schizo troll thread again
Time for schizo poison. This is meant for schizos (but these are my honest beliefs and you should take them seriously! i mean every word of it!)
Cats do not control rodent populations. A cat has 1/2 as many neurons as a chihuahua. Cats are a reddit animal.
Humans need meat to live. Meat eaters live longer and are more intelligent. Veganism is a mental disorder.
Predators are an essential part of a functioning ecosystem. Especially gray wolves, which are a keystone species. Nature does not operate without meat eating.
Evolution is a proven fact. So is abiogenesis.
Chinese paleontologists have, per capita, been more trustworthy than western paleontologists, and the chinese, per capita, pollute less than westerners.
Dog people are smarter, nicer, more successful, more likely to be married with children, and less likely to be victims of violent crime.
You have an 0.0000000000000001% chance of being bitten by a pitbull.
Pycnofibres are basal to ornithodira and all scaled dinosaurs secondarily lost their feathers.
>Cats are a reddit animal. >Meat eaters live longer and are more intelligent.
If you care about Reddit opinions you didn't eat enough meat (or too much).
>Cats are a reddit animal
Given that this site is older than reddit and has had caturday and cat threads since forever, cats are a Wauf animal. Reddit merely addopted the cat.
>Caturday was about making fun of cats.
lmao no it wasnt? the frick do you think you're trying to prove by making up revisionist drivel?
>Redditors have murder fantasies when they see people giving cats baths.
more "the frick am i reading?" nonsense. god i am so fricking sick of this "cats are reddit!...n-no dogs are reddit!" buzzword bullshit. the word has become completely meaningless because of countless homosexuals like you that use it as a descriptor for "thing i don't like". given how absolutely fricking buckbroken this site's userbase is, the amount of times "reddit" is mentioned on Wauf daily has to be orders of magnitude larger than the vice versa
I miss the IP counter because this thread is disturbingly out of tune for Wauf. Most of us hate vegans. Eating meat is part of nature. Veganism is a metaphysical delusion unique to humans and therefore the polar opposite of animals and nature.
Also taking bets on it being that dogfricker who thinks hes moral because hes vegan. Anyone?
>Most of us hate vegans.
I don't. What's your problem? >Eating meat is part of nature.
Yes. >a metaphysical delusion unique to humans
You are delusional, humans are part of nature and animals too. >that dogfricker
I don't know every schizo from this board but fricking dogs is not specific to vegans.
I love animals too. Down to their personalities, growth and taste. I appreciate them from their wagging tails, flap of wings and the succulent meat that makes up their being. I cherish every moment being involved in their cyle of death and rebirth that is nature.
I love animals and nature. But in the awe at creation way. That’s why I eat all of it as nature intended, since as a human I am a facultative carnivore.
by eating fortified food, food that contain some of the animal nutrients naturally and GMOs.
the only thing a vegan diet right now cannot give you is the taste of meat.
Humans by definition can not thrive without meat under natural conditions >BUT A GLOBALIZED ECONOMY WITH DOMESTICATED CROPS AND INDUSTRY PRODUCING SUPPLEMENTS AND FORTIFIED PROCESSED FOODS IS HECKIN NORMAL FOR HUMANS
In that case, the facultative carnivore does not exist!
But it does, because the goyslop diet still has missing nutrients with inferior bioavailability vs. animal protein, so vegans are surviving, but not thriving. They are operating in 24/7 famine mode desperately trying to cobble together 90% of their required nutrition from inappropriate and bizarre, voluminous, exotic sources while a human eating a normal diet including animal protein (ie: Mediterranean diet) will live as long or longer, be healthier through that, and spend less effort on basic food acquisition and preparation AND, best of all, never have to deviate from the tenets of their diet due to the globalized economy or industrial society experiencing prolonged disruptions (or collapse), because their diet is practical from now back to the stone age. The proportions of meat innate to their diet are also within the range of purely waste-fed/poorly arable land-grazed animal agriculture.
PS:
All the vegan sustainability BS is trying to make excuses for overpopulation. Humans do more than farm, hunt, and eat. Just because you can feed so many people doesn't mean we should have that many people - in fact, the part where they won't thrive is proof we need to limit population growth ASAP and find a better way to have geniuses born (genetic engineering or basic eugenics, perhaps - dont worry, west, china didn't outlaw it because china isn't beholden t roeligion schizos. maybe they'll let you move there.)
>natural conditions
You are being fallicious, appealing to nature? seriously? everything that we need from meat can be artificially implanted or boosted elsewhere, the only thing we cannot replace is the taste and texture..yet.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Appeal to nature is not a fallacy. Stating that it is a fallacy is a philosophical statement about your own morality and spirituality. Nature, specifically your own species nature, can in fact be the ideal.
Appealing to another species nature is a fallacy because humans are humans not gorillas or chimpa.
>everything we need from meat can…
No it can not which is why vegtardans bend over backwards to be only slightly malnourished and a child can not develop properly on a vegan diet
1 month ago
Anonymous
what's the difference if someone were to say eat pork and someone who would eat a plant that has nutrients from pork artificially added?
literally 0, the only difference would be calories which isn't even a fricking problem due to hefty amount of available non-animal calorie-dense food. >it's not a fallac-
Yes it is moron, could you stop limiting humanity over this moronic shit? What if I take away all the technology created after 1000 BC from you, will you still like appealing to nature you dense motherfricker? Are you so afraid of bio-technology being capable to make our lives extremely efficient with modifying our food like a religious cuck or something?
Want to appeal to nature? get the frick off from your computer.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>fallacy fallacy >argumentum ad absurdum
1 month ago
Anonymous
counterpoint
fallacy fallacy fallacy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Fortified foods are less nutritious than meat and do not convert agricultural waste and low value pasture to protein.
Humans need meat to thrive. No vegan diet is complete. Vegans depend on fossil fuels and lithium batteries to acquire a deficient diet year round. This is pointlessly destructive.
1 month ago
Anonymous
We are talking about diet, not lifestyle, that on its own is whole can of worms which is unbelievably moronic like argumenting against symbiosis with livestock.
humans do not need meat to thrive. This is the 21st century, our technology is good and still hasn't peaked. Stop limiting yourself to Black person tribe level of tech peak. Want the rice to be inflated with meat-exclusive nutrients and be dense as them? You can. It won't be natural anymore but like you give a flying frick about natural as if you are a religion cuckold of how "humans cant play god"
newsflash homosexual, vast majority of modern food isn't natural anymore. It has all been modified, even meat.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Humans need meat to thrive. There is no such thing as a complete vegan diet.
All choices required to make a vegan diet possible are incorrect or pure fantasy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
ah yes, eating nutrient supplements is a fantasy concept apparently. At which time period do you live? 1600s?
I can with confidence guess that you are severely deficient in Vitamin D since you never heard of a concept such as pills to assist your diet. The issues you hear about vegans is because they are moronic and go full organic, they are appealing to nature just as you "facultative carnivores"
Synthetic nutrients aren't real nutrients. And what about the bacteria?
the only difference between synthetic and organic B12 is how it was created, the end result is still the same. just like how synthetic diamonds are still real diamonds, same composition and properties. again only difference is where it was made, in a lab instead of inside the earth. A chemist will tell you this, its the same fricking shit under the microscope.
there's more non-dairy probiotic food than dairy. Not like I'm against vegetarianism, I hate vegans too but for different reasons, mainly the part of zero animal byproducts.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Synthetic nutrients aren't real nutrients. And what about the bacteria?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Vegan diet and vegan lifestyle can't be removed from one another. The changes in everyone's lifestyle were everyone to become vegan would be immense and have to be taken into consideration.
Also, please shill whatever you're saying to actual vegans. Y'know, the ones who think taking laxatives get rid of toxins and shit? I wonder how they would react to what you're saying.
Because you're right to a point, one can modify plants to give us all we technically need, but considering the only people who would ever possibly want that are the same people who think GMOs cause cancer...I don't think anything will change.
>china didn't outlaw it because china isn't beholden t roeligion schizos
Pretty sure the ones against it are overwhelmingly atheist liberals/leftists
1 month ago
Anonymous
no the most common argument against genetic engineering is Christian and Muslim tards who constantly say "NOOOO WE CANT PLAY GOD AND CHANGE NATURE"
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yes there are those too but the other 50 percent is literally “NOOOOOO WE CAN’T SELECTIVELY BREED FOR CERTAIN TRAITS THIS IS LITERALLY THE FOURTH REICH”
>you don't require eating meat daily to thrive
This is true, eating meat daily is a luxury of modern farming practises as well as the prevalence of over-consumption.
But we still do need meat to thrive properly. Just not all the time, every day.
Personally, i think the only way to consume meat with a clean conscience is to eat animals and products that you have raised yourself, or that have been raised by people in your community that you know personally. that way, you have a personal investment in the animals' lives, you don't take them for granted and you respect them properly
t. is moving to a small town to raise chickens, quails, trout and freshwater shrimp in around 6 months time
Absolutely based. I feel the same way, and am living that life. If you can try 1+ year old rooster, and a 2 or 3 year old black angus if you haven't already. The meat is so much more flavorful it is crazy.
If you really want to go all out dry age a whole striploin. The aging tenderizes the meat, which is very helpful because 2+ year old beef can be a little tougher than most are used to.
Supplements have poor bioavailability
There is no such thing as a vegan diet that is nutritionally adequate. Vegans are a false pursuit, as micro and macro as deficient as a "carnist" who only eats raw muscle.
ALL children raised vegan suffer from developmental delays and stunting.
1: No amount of supplements can fix the fact that humans evolved to digest meat, not plants. We thrive best on meat. There are no perfect vegan diets in existence. An omnivorous diet is ALWAYS SUPERIOR.
2: There is no argument against meat except for borderline religious nonsense. Animals are a highly robust source of biomass conversion. The products of the whole carcass, not the narrow definition of "meat" people who want lab shit crave, are edible, and can be used to replace many petroleum products as well.
3: ALL vegan diets, outside of a narrow area of the earth with a stable enough climate for year round agriculture and enough arable land, are unattainable without artificial power sources. ALL artificial power sources known to man are damaging to human and planetary health. ALL petroleum products as well! Animal agriculture has been proven to function in all climates. Note: Bugs are animals. Sorry, steakies.
It follows that there is no actual reason to stop turning animals into animal products. It is simply the best thing we have. God gave us machinery to work with and there is no reason to abandon it except for borderline religious "animal souls" schizophrenic garbage spouted by mentally ill homosexuals. In fact, veganism is just embracing a fundamentally broken and harmful system of continued pollution, destruction, and overpopulation.
Ratherwe should transition from eating luxury product animals such as beef to more efficient livestock that can convert a wider range of inedible biomass into nutrient dense food with minimal cost.
have fun with the ever-increasing overpopulation with over demand for food
Even in your perfect world where everyone is eating synthetic meat instead of real meat, there would still exist a class of humans who continue to enjoy quality meat from real animals. Eating animals would become a privilege and status symbol because only the unwashed masses eat synthetics. They'll be rubbing it in your dumb face.
Feathers are basal to all dinosaurs and all dinosaurs without feathers lost them
Wrong thread… or right thread? You be the judge
The only single dietary choice that correlates with increases life expectancy is eating meat/eggs.
Fact: vegans can not survive without fossil fuels or lithium batteries
Also fact: both of these technologies are highly destructive and their use should be limited as much as possible
Therefore it is better for the environment to limit your meat intake to sustainable, low waste sources rather than abandon all animal products.
I love all plants and animals, that's why I'm a cannibal <3
i hope you eat human brains
I hate veganism because it's against any form of symbiotic relationship with animals.
take care of chickens and in return receive eggs? Nope, that's le bad!
take care of cows and in return receive their milk?
Nope, animal abuse!
take care of horses and in return receive a form of transportation that relies on a healthy relationship between the rider and the horse? Nope! apparently also animal abuse!
Vegans dont have real empathy or theory of mind. They are at a childs level here so they can only imagine being the animal but with their human brain.
>how would YOU feel if YOU were a cow
>living in rolling grass fields with all your cow friends
>being killed painlessly before you reach the age of sickness and ill-health
Sounds pretty good, even with my human brain. With a cow brain? My god. I would be in cow heaven.
OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
jfc
i don’t get it…
correct
everything about these loons’ life style is unreasonable
Furry shit. Its a reference to a shock image
I stopped eating meat bc I love how angry people get about it.
Based. This is the only acceptable reason to become a Vegan.
No one cares if you starve yourself. Promoting veganism as healthy and superior is whats wrong.
shhhh let him believe he’s owning le meatchuddies
good good continue seething
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bait thread. vegan cuck samegay go starve a cat or something
I love animals and plants, that's why I'm an omnivore.
animals kill and eat each other in horrific ways all the time, your actions are useless to change anything
Meat-eaters are hypocrites cuz they’ll go “I’m an omnivore humans need meat” but then cry and scream at the thought of eating le hecking pupperinos
What kind of sad people would hate either dogs or cats?
You'd be suprised how soulless some people are. Or maybe not... It's a great way to judge character.
I don't hate dogs or cats but I hate people who have dogs or cats unless they are not professional hunter, policeman, soldier or have mouse infestation
Cats dont do any of those things and the idea that everything needs to be owned for a profession is marxist
Large scale farming kills many animals. A true vegan would grow all their own food to be 100% sure no animals were harmed. Everything else is just a fake moral high ground.
I love animals, and I eat them as well. I raise my own animals in natural, and stress free environments where they never have to worry about food or predators, and in exchange I consume them at my choosing. They will be killed quickly and humanely with little to no waste. The meat will provide me with sustenance as I provided them.
This is a far better life and death than any animal could ever hope for in the wild, where the weak and sick are killed by predators that will tear them limb from limb while they are still living.
Animals do not understand the concept of a long life, and there is no difference between an animal that dies at a prime age for me to consume, or of old age.
This is cope. You are not doing any favor to the animals just accept your position as a flesh parasite and embrace it without cringe moralisation.
Disgustingly bad argument, but I didn't expect much better from your likes.
I love animals. That's why I feed my animal other animals.
Do you discriminate against some animols? Do you hate insect or rodents? Does animal life have same value as your life?
>expecting logic from vegans
Good means more meat for me. Thank you for being considerate towards others
If you love animals so much why are you eating their food?
I HATE plants. That's why I'm vegan.
the majority of plants we grow are fed to livestock so a vegan lifestyle actually decreases the amount of plants we harvest
Why do you lie? That's simply not true. Mostly, they're grazed on a cycle of patches of grassland (normally grassland that isn't economical to farm for anything else) and fed waste. That is because we're facultative carnivores and can only really eat a narrow selection of the plant life this planet can produce, which is only produced in a narrow selection of transient conditions on a narrow selection of land.
Also, we currently overconsume megafaunal fatty muscle while wasting the majority of the carcass (which we evolved to eat as surely as we evolved to eat meat in general), so we could easily cut way down on livestock feed use if americans could break their steak and ribs addiction and go back to eating chopped liver and slurping marrow out of femurs like humans were meant to. It's a great system since animals essentially digest otherwise worthless food from worthless land for us.
It's far worse than just wasting a bunch of the carcass, even the tender cuts people simp for are subject to over 26% waste at the consumer level alone.
I'm always disgusted when vegans try to spin it as an environmental issue as if malnourishing the whole planet on a diet a child objectively can not properly develop on is the correct approach to what is really an unhealthy, unbalanced diet and a hideous amount of waste.
There's a reason schwab said eat bug meal (they eat literally everything and are dried and ground whole so there's little waste) not eat beans.
> OP destroyed by FACTS and LOGIC
The land we use for meat (both their food and their living space) could be used more sustainably for literally any other purpose. Not to mention the shipping and harvesting carbon drains. Not to mention the fact that meat is a middleman for energy. I'm sorry, but these facts don't care about your feelings; we can globally live without forcing animals to suffer.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24079424/factory-farming-facts-meat-usda-agriculture-census
No we can’t. Not very well. All vegans are malnourished. An animal free agricultural cycle will always waste material and be unable to utilize all of the land it could because humans are not herbivores and can only reclaim those nutrients through fermentation otherwise (humans have the same gut fermentation capability as wolves)
And no, animals dont suffer. Sorry vegan. Only humans have souls.
>All vegans are malnourished.
I'm vegan and well-nourished. Curious!
>An animal free agricultural cycle will always waste material and be unable to utilize all of the land
This is precisely what makes it efficient, you use less land and less material for the same amount of nutrition.
>you use less land and less material for the same amount of nutrition.
This is how I can tell you're full of shit. If the world went vegan there would be more need for agricultural land, not less you fricking idiot.
This is because animals only eat the biproducts of crops grown for humans. The stems, the leaves, a shitty harvest, the bits we don't eat, that goes to animals. So if there was no need for livestock, the amount of plant agriculture would increase to make up for this new gap in our diet.
Wrong and obviously so because the deficiencies unique to vegans primarily impair brain function
Yes we do and always have. Unless you’re one of those morons who doesnt count fish and bugs as meat.
>source: vox.com
>all sources linked: vox.com
>vegan children: short and dumb
>meat: only dietary choice universally correlated with increased lifespan
Vox is a propaganda outlet that needs to roll fuel crops into feed crops to spin false outrage. Food waste is a problem. Dietary imbalance (“only candy!” childlike choices) is a problem. Meat is not.
And its such a nothingburger…
We currently produce TOO MUCH FOOD to feed the maximum number of humans the earth can support even AFTER throwing half of it away.
my favorite part about vox propaganda is their artificial blindness to where overpopulation is and that it is a problem.
im sure its sustainable we just need the commie gangster computer god to ration fortified gruel to stone age serfs until they’re culled at 70.
cattle fields are shit for crops
>it's a schizo troll thread again
Time for schizo poison. This is meant for schizos (but these are my honest beliefs and you should take them seriously! i mean every word of it!)
Cats do not control rodent populations. A cat has 1/2 as many neurons as a chihuahua. Cats are a reddit animal.
Humans need meat to live. Meat eaters live longer and are more intelligent. Veganism is a mental disorder.
Predators are an essential part of a functioning ecosystem. Especially gray wolves, which are a keystone species. Nature does not operate without meat eating.
Evolution is a proven fact. So is abiogenesis.
Chinese paleontologists have, per capita, been more trustworthy than western paleontologists, and the chinese, per capita, pollute less than westerners.
Dog people are smarter, nicer, more successful, more likely to be married with children, and less likely to be victims of violent crime.
You have an 0.0000000000000001% chance of being bitten by a pitbull.
Pycnofibres are basal to ornithodira and all scaled dinosaurs secondarily lost their feathers.
whats the point of posting a bunch of facts?
the earth is round? humans have set foot on the moon? the earth is over 4.5 billion years old? oh wow thats some masterful bait right there
>Cats are a reddit animal.
>Meat eaters live longer and are more intelligent.
If you care about Reddit opinions you didn't eat enough meat (or too much).
>capitalizing r*ddit
Gotcha
You got me for using proper grammar and capitalizing a proper noun? I never used Reddit and you're mentally sick.
>Cats are a reddit animal
Given that this site is older than reddit and has had caturday and cat threads since forever, cats are a Wauf animal. Reddit merely addopted the cat.
Caturday was about making fun of cats. Redditors have murder fantasies when they see people giving cats baths. Two different attitudes.
>Caturday was about making fun of cats.
lmao no it wasnt? the frick do you think you're trying to prove by making up revisionist drivel?
>Redditors have murder fantasies when they see people giving cats baths.
more "the frick am i reading?" nonsense. god i am so fricking sick of this "cats are reddit!...n-no dogs are reddit!" buzzword bullshit. the word has become completely meaningless because of countless homosexuals like you that use it as a descriptor for "thing i don't like". given how absolutely fricking buckbroken this site's userbase is, the amount of times "reddit" is mentioned on Wauf daily has to be orders of magnitude larger than the vice versa
you can say that when /reddit/ exists vs the numerous subs dedicated to Wauf
also fun fact, reddit hosts the single largest community dedicated to hating dogs.
I miss the IP counter because this thread is disturbingly out of tune for Wauf. Most of us hate vegans. Eating meat is part of nature. Veganism is a metaphysical delusion unique to humans and therefore the polar opposite of animals and nature.
Also taking bets on it being that dogfricker who thinks hes moral because hes vegan. Anyone?
>Most of us hate vegans.
no anon, it's a very small subset of you /misc/troons tourists that do.
>Most of us hate vegans.
I don't. What's your problem?
>Eating meat is part of nature.
Yes.
>a metaphysical delusion unique to humans
You are delusional, humans are part of nature and animals too.
>that dogfricker
I don't know every schizo from this board but fricking dogs is not specific to vegans.
>Most of us hate vegans
please go back to /r/veganhate kind redditsir
> I miss the IP counter
You and me both. No clue how they figured this was a goo idea.
Neat gun
So true
Why not a little poll?
https://strawpoll.com/6QnMObOb3Ze
I used carnism and not omnivorous because carnism is a choice. All humans are omnivores, vegetarians and vegans included.
I love animals too. Down to their personalities, growth and taste. I appreciate them from their wagging tails, flap of wings and the succulent meat that makes up their being. I cherish every moment being involved in their cyle of death and rebirth that is nature.
The omnivore life is happy one.
I love animals too and I'm vegetarian.
I was for years before taking the next logical step. Follow your heart, anon, you're on the compassionate path.
I'm glad you found your way. I will try to follow my heart, thank you anon.
I love animals and nature. But in the awe at creation way. That’s why I eat all of it as nature intended, since as a human I am a facultative carnivore.
No humans are primarily omnivores, you don't require eating meat daily to thrive.
Humans are carnivore
so are dogs
facultative carnivores by definition cannot thrive without meat, we can. Being classed as an omnivore is still the best-fitting position.
Humans fit the bill perfectly. How do you thrive without eating animals?
by eating fortified food, food that contain some of the animal nutrients naturally and GMOs.
the only thing a vegan diet right now cannot give you is the taste of meat.
Humans by definition can not thrive without meat under natural conditions
>BUT A GLOBALIZED ECONOMY WITH DOMESTICATED CROPS AND INDUSTRY PRODUCING SUPPLEMENTS AND FORTIFIED PROCESSED FOODS IS HECKIN NORMAL FOR HUMANS
In that case, the facultative carnivore does not exist!
But it does, because the goyslop diet still has missing nutrients with inferior bioavailability vs. animal protein, so vegans are surviving, but not thriving. They are operating in 24/7 famine mode desperately trying to cobble together 90% of their required nutrition from inappropriate and bizarre, voluminous, exotic sources while a human eating a normal diet including animal protein (ie: Mediterranean diet) will live as long or longer, be healthier through that, and spend less effort on basic food acquisition and preparation AND, best of all, never have to deviate from the tenets of their diet due to the globalized economy or industrial society experiencing prolonged disruptions (or collapse), because their diet is practical from now back to the stone age. The proportions of meat innate to their diet are also within the range of purely waste-fed/poorly arable land-grazed animal agriculture.
PS:
All the vegan sustainability BS is trying to make excuses for overpopulation. Humans do more than farm, hunt, and eat. Just because you can feed so many people doesn't mean we should have that many people - in fact, the part where they won't thrive is proof we need to limit population growth ASAP and find a better way to have geniuses born (genetic engineering or basic eugenics, perhaps - dont worry, west, china didn't outlaw it because china isn't beholden t roeligion schizos. maybe they'll let you move there.)
>natural conditions
You are being fallicious, appealing to nature? seriously? everything that we need from meat can be artificially implanted or boosted elsewhere, the only thing we cannot replace is the taste and texture..yet.
Appeal to nature is not a fallacy. Stating that it is a fallacy is a philosophical statement about your own morality and spirituality. Nature, specifically your own species nature, can in fact be the ideal.
Appealing to another species nature is a fallacy because humans are humans not gorillas or chimpa.
>everything we need from meat can…
No it can not which is why vegtardans bend over backwards to be only slightly malnourished and a child can not develop properly on a vegan diet
what's the difference if someone were to say eat pork and someone who would eat a plant that has nutrients from pork artificially added?
literally 0, the only difference would be calories which isn't even a fricking problem due to hefty amount of available non-animal calorie-dense food.
>it's not a fallac-
Yes it is moron, could you stop limiting humanity over this moronic shit? What if I take away all the technology created after 1000 BC from you, will you still like appealing to nature you dense motherfricker? Are you so afraid of bio-technology being capable to make our lives extremely efficient with modifying our food like a religious cuck or something?
Want to appeal to nature? get the frick off from your computer.
>fallacy fallacy
>argumentum ad absurdum
counterpoint
fallacy fallacy fallacy.
Fortified foods are less nutritious than meat and do not convert agricultural waste and low value pasture to protein.
Humans need meat to thrive. No vegan diet is complete. Vegans depend on fossil fuels and lithium batteries to acquire a deficient diet year round. This is pointlessly destructive.
We are talking about diet, not lifestyle, that on its own is whole can of worms which is unbelievably moronic like argumenting against symbiosis with livestock.
humans do not need meat to thrive. This is the 21st century, our technology is good and still hasn't peaked. Stop limiting yourself to Black person tribe level of tech peak. Want the rice to be inflated with meat-exclusive nutrients and be dense as them? You can. It won't be natural anymore but like you give a flying frick about natural as if you are a religion cuckold of how "humans cant play god"
newsflash homosexual, vast majority of modern food isn't natural anymore. It has all been modified, even meat.
Humans need meat to thrive. There is no such thing as a complete vegan diet.
All choices required to make a vegan diet possible are incorrect or pure fantasy.
ah yes, eating nutrient supplements is a fantasy concept apparently. At which time period do you live? 1600s?
I can with confidence guess that you are severely deficient in Vitamin D since you never heard of a concept such as pills to assist your diet. The issues you hear about vegans is because they are moronic and go full organic, they are appealing to nature just as you "facultative carnivores"
the only difference between synthetic and organic B12 is how it was created, the end result is still the same. just like how synthetic diamonds are still real diamonds, same composition and properties. again only difference is where it was made, in a lab instead of inside the earth. A chemist will tell you this, its the same fricking shit under the microscope.
there's more non-dairy probiotic food than dairy. Not like I'm against vegetarianism, I hate vegans too but for different reasons, mainly the part of zero animal byproducts.
Synthetic nutrients aren't real nutrients. And what about the bacteria?
Vegan diet and vegan lifestyle can't be removed from one another. The changes in everyone's lifestyle were everyone to become vegan would be immense and have to be taken into consideration.
Also, please shill whatever you're saying to actual vegans. Y'know, the ones who think taking laxatives get rid of toxins and shit? I wonder how they would react to what you're saying.
Because you're right to a point, one can modify plants to give us all we technically need, but considering the only people who would ever possibly want that are the same people who think GMOs cause cancer...I don't think anything will change.
>china didn't outlaw it because china isn't beholden t roeligion schizos
Pretty sure the ones against it are overwhelmingly atheist liberals/leftists
no the most common argument against genetic engineering is Christian and Muslim tards who constantly say "NOOOO WE CANT PLAY GOD AND CHANGE NATURE"
Yes there are those too but the other 50 percent is literally “NOOOOOO WE CAN’T SELECTIVELY BREED FOR CERTAIN TRAITS THIS IS LITERALLY THE FOURTH REICH”
>you don't require eating meat daily to thrive
This is true, eating meat daily is a luxury of modern farming practises as well as the prevalence of over-consumption.
But we still do need meat to thrive properly. Just not all the time, every day.