My dog is 6.5 months old and I got it a few weeks ago.
The previous owner sucked dick at training it and it has a bunch of behavioural issues
Idk it's just exhausting and I'm not really understanding the point of having a dog? Is it supposed to become more enjoyable as you train them more because they behave better?
Like I mean she is cute sometimes but she's not really that cuddly and she's mostly just a hassle like I don't really get the point of it?
Can someone actually explain without getting triggered and being like "REHOME IT"
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>Idk it's just exhausting and I'm not really understanding the point of having a dog? Is it supposed to become more enjoyable as you train them more because they behave better?
I like to get them all hyped up and play tug of war with em, then I get them to drink a bunch of water so they pee on everything.
The innate need for hierarchical social structuring. There always needs to be someone above or below. Are you a king? Great, there's god(s) above you. Are you a lowly peasant? Great, there's your wife, kids and animals below you. People don't have wives and kids to order around anymore so the only option left for them is a dog or a cat.
I'm a manager so I just order wagies around and don't need a pet.
>virgin that just made it to part time foreman after putting in 5 years at the dildo factory
We had a dog once, didnt like it. Got a cat at some point, instantly fell in love with those creatures. Its kinda like that.
Dogs are diverse and have high evolvability so shit dogs exist as long as shit taste does. One does not simply be a “dog person” unless they have shit taste. Real dog people are spitz people, gun dog people, shepherd people, collie people etc. breed matters a lot. Never trust a genuine mongrel, only a monoracial mutt (ie: all collie types and their close relatives). The latter is basically any working line or farm dog. A lab-collie is like a french-german, a contradiction that may be insane.
Despite 10,009 years of selective breeding all cats have the same 4-5 personalities no matter how ugly and dysgenic they get. So you can truly be a “cat person”.
People need something to be dependent on them and make them feel loved because it shakes when they feed it. The worst dog owners are the insecure trashy and depressed people who think the dog is actually better than humans because it doesn’t “judge” them like people do, aka it has no standards. So they drag it around everywhere for “emotional support” and think it could do no wrong.
I like it when I get home or wake up and my dad is running towards me with his tail wagging
I like watching my dog do funny things
I like watching my dog enjoy himself when we go on walks or play
Your dad is weird anon
Goddamn it
Op is fricking autistic and can't handle a dog kek
Mine has a big belly
That's like asking what the point of having friends is.
I know someone who simply doesn't see the point in having any friends. He just sits in front of the computer all day and rejects anyone trying to invite him anywhere. He never invites anyone over either.
You don't need to enjoy the company of other humans or animals. Some find it pleasant to have someone to talk to and discuss things with, others don't care for irl interaction and just browse the net. A dog can be your companion and friend, but if that's not something you want, then you can just take care of it normally or rehome it, for the dog's sake.
it's enjoyable if the dog loves you
if it doesn't love you, get rid of it
6.5 months is a literal baby anon, would you expect much from a 4 year old human kid?
Don't have unrealistic expectations and keep up with training, dogs aren't mentally mature until about 2 years old
it's a dice roll anon. some dogs are just awful.
my brother wanted a dog when we were younger and now I'm stuck with it, total schitzo, never stops barking. have had a dog trainer (after being paid) that doggo has potential brain damage and is unable to learn. God I'm just glad it should be over soon.
the hilarious part is when we got her as a rescue she did a big show about putting her toys away and barely made a sound. one week later she rips apart anything she can get to is pissing everywhere and WONT. STOP. BARKING.
(pic unrelated, a good dog)
>it's a dice roll anon. some dogs are just awful.
I can confirm that although my dog is great now, he was really difficult from about 6 months to 14 months, but my parents have a dog of the same breed that was the perfect puppy, very easy to work with and almost never had problems.
Why do people like dogs, they literally just steal and waste your life with nothing to show for it
Butthurt loser gay
>Why do people like dogs
Did you try reading the thread?
>they literally just steal and waste your life with nothing to show for it
Kind of like what you're doing right now?
It was just two gays arguing about history, didn't read cause I'm not a male nor a gay
Waiting for someone to state actual reasons instead of arguing about 18th century bc or whatever
You are fricking autistic kek no wonder you don't get it.
I dont understand why deformed humans are still allowed to exist. We had it good in rome kek
Having a puppy, as a single man, is awful. No matter what anyone says
MEN DO NOT HAVE NURTURING INSTINCTS.
Period. A man does not raise children. Until it walks a man hardly gives a frick about children. For the majority of human history the idea of a stay at home dad was abhorrent.
This is why for the past 40k years of dog history, dogs were family pets. FAMILY means ONE MAN, ONE WOMAN, AND THEIR CHILDREN. The enduring meme for a single man with a dog was a single man who found an already adult dog, because men are not expected to raise babies, or give a single frick about them.
If you want a dog from day 1 to the end, get a wife. If you still want a dog but not a wife, get a dog that is already nearly an adult. 1 year = dog teenager. 2 year = dog adult. After year 3, you can spay or neuter without any major negative health effects.
Holy frick you are moronic
Men excell at problem solving and providing. The fun is recognizing your dogs needs and wants and providing for accordingly. Dogs are easy to read, they are simple creatures. Maybe you're not very intuitive or great at reading a situation or behavior. I think some females are really bad about treating animals like babies, which they absolutely are not and leads to issues.
I am a female
What new hobby? I already went outside without a dog
No they said their energy and annoying behaviour never decreased
My cat is an angel with pretty much zero training, dog is a demon Black person even with training
>You don't even get that with a cat
Yes you do? She is always talking to me and asking for cuddles
Meanwhile my dog just manipulates me for food and acts like a Black person, and she's not as nice to cuddle cause she's hard bony and smelly instead of soft and squishy
I think this is just a case of you being someone who is not even worthy of dog
It's okay. Not everyone is.
If you can't handle a dog you can't handle a family
Why did your dad leave you and why did you think It was the norm, holy shit.
Based. Men don't nurture children, they educate apprentices.
Raising a puppy is hell and the only reason to do it is to make sure it's loyal to you because otherwise dogs choose their friends. They only don't choose their family except under extreme duress, like broken bones and daily attacks (much like people).
6 months of age is the single *worst* time for puppy behavior. It's when they are still as curious and as dumb as puppies, but they are getting the energy of an adult, and they don't sleep as long during the day. Once you get past the 12 month mark, it's usually pretty smooth sailing, though. They get really attached to you and learn all the things you struggled to teach them 6 months ago much more quickly.
The best thing for the dog would be to hire a private trainer, if you can afford one, but otherwise get professional training in some form or the other. Learn what you should be doing and shouldn't be doing. This is the most critical time of your dog's life. No, it is not a fun stage for you, but once you get past this, it's all downhill.
For me, it was
2 months (age) to 5 months - cute and cuddly; somewhat adventurous and excitable, but easily worn out; actually really smart, seemed to pick up on commands easily; some puppy biting (mouthing of my hands and ankles); learned to use the dog door to go outside to pee/poop
5 months to 8 months - became an butthole; barking randomly in the middle of the night; biting aggressively when he got worked up; learned to lift his leg to pee, and peed on every piece of furniture in my house; would regularly try to slip out of his harness on walks; not fun for me at all
9 months to 12 months - still excitable and energetic, but more manageable; training starting to pay off; finally getting him to stop lifting his leg on furniture; occasionally having to deal with new behavior issues that crop up (he became deathly afraid of riding in the car for about 2 weeks and then quickly got over it; HATED going to the groomer, but I worked with him extensively and found a better groomer whom he likes)
12 months to 14 months - full of energy, but smart enough to understand and listen to commands; has a mind of his own, but can be controlled; still need to keep with the training
16 months and on - getting better every day
I am autistic not really young
She's not struggling to learn she's just a stubborn Black person c**t who doesn't feel like obeying me unless I have sausage in my hands
What breed do you have?
Have you considered not being autistic?
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For work (based) or companionship (cringe)
Having a dog for companionship is gigabased. It can't replace all human friends, but it replaces the most worthless humans that could end up in your social circle and is an excellent moron repellent. Third worlders, people with third world attitudes, and other social cancer, abhor dogs especially if they are inside your home and doubly so if they are on the couch. Companionship is the most aryan mode of dog ownership, and the original one that allowed wolves to self-domesticate among the aryan tribes of northern eurasia, as they were closer to large angry huskies than german shepherds and therefore no more an effective working animal than anything else on four legs for tens of thousands of years.
>An 18th-century German rabbi, who allowed the ownership of dogs for economic or security reasons, ruled that owning one merely for pleasure is “precisely the behavior of the uncircumcised.”
Reminder, they fear you having a dog, because the dog sits in a chair at the table that would otherwise be set aside for someone like them. And if you do not like people who do not like dogs, or that your dog does not like, they may never even set foot in your home.
Just think of the natural born criminals who say things like "dogs should be chained up outside, that's the way they can protect your property". That means "I will toss poison meat over the fence friday night and break in through the front door saturday morning". But on a more abstract social level.
>cats are gay
>op prefers cats over dogs
>op is gay
Checks out
Not even a year old is a pup and puppies take work. Enjoy the puppyhood as much as you can even though it's hard. You'll see what I mean later.
Once your dog is older and not a hassle anymore you'll also see the point of a companion dog.
Keep this experience in mind though. In the future you might decide against puppies since but not rule out adopting an older god who's already trained and more chill.
Dogs have a long history of work with humans as well, so consider picking up a new hobby with your dog that puts them to work somehow.
I don't get the advantage of a dog over a cat unless you have sheep, or you're blind
Dogs are more fun and personable, you just have to get through the land shark puppy phase and then they are very chill.
Idk I asked on a Yorkie forum and I asked at what age they stop being puppies and pretty much everyone said never or like after 3 years which is ridiculous
Idk I don't really get how they're more personable, they just seem way more needy and time consuming and also more dangerous cause they can actually injure you
You sound autistic or young tbhfam
Whats your age?
26
"Puppy" is kinda vague and means something different than behaved, which can come much sooner if you put the work in or have help from someone experienced. Dogs aren't pet rocks. They require your time and you need to alter your entire life with them in mind depending on your family life.
I have had dogs my entire life. It's not always easy, but I absolutely think they are worth it. In a world where it seems everyone is too busy for each other or only looking out for themselves, dog is always ready to hang out and doesn't ask for anything more than love and treats. You don't even get that from a cat.
>TFW spending a lazy Sunday morning sleeping in with dog cuddles
That's why I mentioned a new hobby. Unless you're a lazy ass who doesn't do anything outside.
Dogs are social animals. Humans are social animals. Cats are generally solitary animals, forming bonds for reproduction and then going their separate ways, like spiders.
>Idk I asked on a Yorkie forum and I asked at what age they stop being puppies and pretty much everyone said never or like after 3 years which is ridiculous
The types of people who own small dogs will usually baby them beyond what the dog actually needs. 3 years is a mature adult. Any dog breed will start out highly energetic as a puppy and slowly lose energy through adulthood, but as far as training goes, they're all pretty similar.
I don't agree with your take or your understanding of history. Historically, dogs evolved alongside humans, at human direction, eating food scraps, trash, only surviving if they weren't aggressive, and, through probably most of human history, being used as work dogs or hunting dogs more often than just "family pets." The concept of a family pet that does nothing except sit on your lap and snuggle is relatively recent, insofar as being common among the peasantry.
To raise a house dog takes a lot of work and consistent direction, but if you are nurturing a puppy, you probably aren't being an effective pack leader.
I also am not sure why someone would wait 3 years to spay or neuter. I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe such a timeline. If you're going to wait that long, why castrate them at all?
1: it does not shit and piss in your home
2: it is actually intelligent so the large and smart ones are largely self training and you don't have to make concessions like "lol just let the cat do what it wants" because training takes too much time and effort.
3: most dogs are actually capable of hunting a local pest population to extinction or driving it out, and cats can only do so with slow breeding dormice and songbirds. dogs are such effective hunters that it hurts them due to the hostility of game wardens and ranchers. even a dog that doesn't kill will relocate animals or cause them to panic and injure themselves.
you're thinking of post-agricultural history. before that dogs basically served the same function as housecats but with actual directly observed results instead of assumed results. it gets dodgy if you buy a strongly post-agricultural breed like a mastiff, gun dog, or herding dog. these need the "pack leader" thing. they're more OCD/"high drive". if you buy a pre-agricultural type of dog like a japanese akita or a greyhound/saluki, they are more easygoing and a normal companion that automatically performs some function when you let them off leash.
>I also am not sure why someone would wait 3 years to spay or neuter.
mismate prevention. it's easy not to make mistakes for 2-3 years, not easy to never make a mistake in 14.
older males and females develop ball cancer, anus cancer, breast cancer, and fatal uterine infections and old intact males are more prone to infectious disease.
but spaying any younger is correlated with doubling and quadrupling the rates of some aggressive cancers like hemangioscarcoma and the rates of joint and ligament issues like hip dysplasia and CCL tears regardless of "good breeding". highly educated, up to date, very expensive very white breeders will include age minimums in their spay contracts now.
>you're thinking of post-agricultural history. before that dogs basically served the same function as housecats but with actual directly observed results instead of assumed results. it gets dodgy if you buy a strongly post-agricultural breed like a mastiff, gun dog, or herding dog. these need the "pack leader" thing. they're more OCD/"high drive". if you buy a pre-agricultural type of dog like a japanese akita or a greyhound/saluki, they are more easygoing and a normal companion that automatically performs some function when you let them off leash.
Do you honestly think dogs were mostly "family pets" prior to widespread agriculture?
You know, in pre-agricultural societies? Also known as *hunter*-gatherer society??? They had these great hunting companions sitting around that could track prey over vast distances, but didn't use them for hunting but rather to snuggle with at night and to go get the newspaper off the porch in the morning?
A dog doesn't have to have a working job to add value to a family or individual. The value or job can be providing companionship or entertainment, not herding sheep or retrieving waterfowl. Many breeds absolutely do need a job, or they will go neurotic. They are too smart for their own good. These are a poor choice for many people.
This seems like a non sequitur. Not sure what you're talking about here or how it relates to the topic.
Do you have any idea how little a hunter gatherer society actually works? Most surviving primitive humans work 4-5 hours a day. There's labor division as well, one day a hunter and his dog will have it all off while his brother and his dog take their turn.
The rest of the time is spent socializing. Even with the dog. And one of the best functions of a dog is their higher body temperature. A dog in the tent can keep things very warm. There's a reason primitive breeds are known for inoffensive odors vs. shit like mastiffs that are disgusting inferior slave animals meant to be chained up by the gate. If they stank and drooled, they would have never been allowed to stay.
Hunter gatherers barely use their dogs. One dog from a hunter/gatherer society you might have ready access to is the husky. The reason huskies are so friendly and totally lack guarding instincts is because the chuchki would just turn them loose for most of the year to socialize among the whole village and eat small game to feed themselves. They weren't dedicated "sled dogs" either, they were basic hunting dogs who could pull a sled with hunting equipment or dead game. The idea of dogs with specific jobs is very modern and western, so huskies today largely suffer in their "job" and have strong instincts for hunting that are totally irrelevant to what white alaskans think they are meant for, and that normies are not even aware of.
If a breed needs a job or goes neurotic, that's a mental illness. Wolves are significantly more intelligent than dogs but they don't need jobs, they need space and literally any activity. That's how most dogs are, unless you frick up and get a western "working dog". These dogs are prone to infantile temperaments and neurotic repetitive behaviors. Just don't get those breeds as pets.
>Do you have any idea how little a hunter gatherer society actually works? Most surviving primitive humans work 4-5 hours a day. There's labor division as well, one day a hunter and his dog will have it all off while his brother and his dog take their turn.
>The rest of the time is spent socializing. Even with the dog. And one of the best functions of a dog is their higher body temperature. A dog in the tent can keep things very warm. There's a reason primitive breeds are known for inoffensive odors vs. shit like mastiffs that are disgusting inferior slave animals meant to be chained up by the gate. If they stank and drooled, they would have never been allowed to stay.
>Hunter gatherers barely use their dogs. One dog from a hunter/gatherer society you might have ready access to is the husky. The reason huskies are so friendly and totally lack guarding instincts is because the chuchki would just turn them loose for most of the year to socialize among the whole village and eat small game to feed themselves. They weren't dedicated "sled dogs" either, they were basic hunting dogs who could pull a sled with hunting equipment or dead game. The idea of dogs with specific jobs is very modern and western, so huskies today largely suffer in their "job" and have strong instincts for hunting that are totally irrelevant to what white alaskans think they are meant for, and that normies are not even aware of.
This is a lot of garbled, made-up nonsense to justify your egotistical, sexist view that "female nurturing" is exactly what dogs need, and men just aren't capable of it.
>nooo sexism bad
sexism BASED.
where it's not full of fruits it's full of large game and survival is about being smart enough to preserve food instead of eating it all in one night and take advantage of the time outside of winter
native americans and inuit also barely worked. if you're a hunter gatherer, you need to, because exertion and increasing your chance of injury is a literal death sentence. every other day off is ideal. it's why humans always live in the largest group the area can sustain. a lone human would have to work every single day.
>Meanwhile my dog just manipulates me for food and acts like a Black person, and she's not as nice to cuddle cause she's hard bony and smelly instead of soft and squishy
>woman has moronic opinion, fails at the only competency based pet that responds to idiocy with more idiocy as revenge instead of dying
gasp
>where it's not full of fruits it's full of large game and survival is about being smart enough to preserve food instead of eating it all in one night and take advantage of the time outside of winter
You appear to be too stupid to understand the words I wrote. Modern day primitive humans live in the Brazilian rainforest, in the wilds of oceanic Southeast Asia, some spots in India, and Africa. There is no winter there. They don't even know what winter is. It doesn't even factor into their thinking. They basically just wake up, having stockpiled ZERO food from even the day before, decide if they are feeling up for gathering or fishing, and if so, then they go get some food and eat it, and then they go back to sleep. This model has nothing to do with hunter-gatherers in pre-modern Europe, and your insistence on making the comparison provides insight into your intelligence.
>native americans and inuit also barely worked.
Complete nonsense, based on nothing.
>Most surviving primitive humans work 4-5 hours a day.
This is because "primitive" humans of the modern day all live around the equator, where different fruits are in season year-round, there is no such thing as winter, and it literally only takes 4-5 hours of work in order to gather a good quantity of food. That is not the environment where dogs evolved.
why did you get a dog you spastic, this is why poors shouldn't be allowed to own animals
Waiting for explanation on what the point of a dog is
it's not that deep. you don't find the appeal in companionship and shouldn't have bothered in the first place.
if i didn't have a dog i wouldn't go outside or ever feel another beings warmth
Keep at it and get someone to help with training. Don't rehome the poor girl. Good luck Anon
I'm poor I can't have someone help
Also my mom won't even listen to the stuff I tell her to do she doesn't give a frick and acts like a moron with the dog
Ok well I have a backyard so I don't really need to go outside and a cat is way softer and better to cuddle with and gives you relaxing massages
look up Beckmans dog training on YouTube and do your best to teach her.
It's like dealing with a toddler for a few weeks and asking what's so great about people. Some dogs I had were a b***h and a half to deal with early on but with proper training and accommodation for their needs they became the best companions I've ever had. Don't give up on her. Do some research on her breed.
Yorkie? I have a Yorkiepoo who is almost 3 who is a feisty little one but she started to mellow out over time after a year old.
Some dog breeds are more stubborn than others. Positive reinforcement is always the way to go for them. If your mom doesn't want to listen then get some treats that only you will give out to her and start from there.
>My cat is an angel with pretty much zero training, dog is a demon Black person even with training
You'd be surprised with how far a dog with training can go. For now, just think of them as a kid. Well... a neglected one considering her background but it can be turned around. It takes time and patience for them to fully develop their personalities but once they do they become man's best friend.
>acts like a moron
well, the good news is you're most certainly not adopted