Well, yeah. Within our grandchildrens lifetime I would expect. We're making the planet inhospitable to us. At some point the arable land will not be able to keep up with our population growth, and mass famine will occur. Now at any other point in history this would cause some kind of uprising against the world order, but honestly the population is so fricking neutered nowadays that I can imagine some rightard still defending those in power even as they starve, so who knows. Maybe us common people go out with a bang or with a whimper, but the others are sure to follow.
We have very well organized world governments now, that will probably ration foods and invoke cultural dietary changes to cope (you will eat the bugs). I think we'll avoid mass starvation in the west, maybe Africa will see some if they keep breeding at current rates, or it will just lead to the 2nd great African colonization as China "invests" in Africa. Which probably means it will get very developed and urbanized and giraffes and shit will go extinct but hey, billions more humans is better than some yellow long neck horses.
“At my other point in history” this would have been utterly inconceivable.
We have very well organized world governments now, that will probably ration foods and invoke cultural dietary changes to cope (you will eat the bugs). I think we'll avoid mass starvation in the west, maybe Africa will see some if they keep breeding at current rates, or it will just lead to the 2nd great African colonization as China "invests" in Africa. Which probably means it will get very developed and urbanized and giraffes and shit will go extinct but hey, billions more humans is better than some yellow long neck horses.
>maybe Africa will see some if they keep breeding at current rates
That’s entirely dependent on western aid, the day that runs dry, you can expect to see a bloodbath on the African continent the likes of which have never been seen
If there's only 60k people left you think they would survive? It's possible, humans have numbered less than that before, but if it were modern humans they're lacking a lot of knowledge about how to survive in the wild. And lots of cultural hangups about sex and rape so can't repopulate as easily.
60k people spread across the entire world on the tail end of a apocalypse of our civillisation? we would go extinct so hard man. it doesn't matter if there are "hot singles on your planet." if they are in japan and I am stuck in the US by myself, while 13 africans make more and more inbred goblins that eventually go infertile.
wish anybody on pol or sci or his or any fricking board was willing to talk about societal collapse and oil starvation and our destruction of the environment
Although it would be a disaster for anyone who doesnt get at least half their calories from meat and local in season crops, and make cheap chinese junk a thing of the past and thus destroy high performance consumer electronics and cheap household goods for 50 years, the strife would be short lived.
Regardless if we "need it" or not, it is ever-increasingly more difficult to extract and so a future without it as the primary energy behind EVERYTHING is a necessity. I do certainly like the picture you paint of more communal local sustenance but our society seems to have largely rejected the hippy naturalist way of thinking and instead consumed the idea of "more efficient" energy sources fueling a continuing growth.
Beyond wider adoption of sustainable local/natural initiatives because of increasing economic sense/necessity, it seems like we might just find better ways (nuclear and such) to keep fueling the urban ever expanding way of life we are accustomed to.
A lot of very stupid and helpless people would starve, a lot of people would end up living at their job, but society would emerge stronger rather than not emerging at all. Remember we already can cover almosr all essential transport with corn, lumber, and used cooking oil based fuels and minor engine retrofits. RIP to the poorgays that live in a corn field 50 miles away from anything non-corn and edible i guess? Also RIP nice computers and home goods, back to the days of underperforming but indestructible american semiconductors and long lasting kitchen tools and appliances.
There is an overpopulation problem. The world is overpopulated with idiots and the issue is heriditary. This is an objective fact. They are a resource drain preventing all that space empire and asteroid mining for infinite gold nonsense.
See: americans, chinese, indians, outdoor cat people, pitbull owners, australia
How can we say there's no population problem when there's
- no unclaimed land left on earth
- significant homeless, high housing costs, people living in shanty/ghettos
- excessive pollution killing off species
- people depressed and on medication for lack of exposure to nature
- so much light and noise pollution most people can't see the stars or hear the birds
Humans evolved like every other animal to be part of the planet not to dominate and exploit it. That's a recent development relative to the timespan of human evolution. I for one still feel my wild side.
Humans are beyond apex, we'll literally never go extinct.
Sure, a huge catastrophe can wipe down countries or even entire civilizations, maybe even centuries of progress, but humans will never ever ever die, not even humans can kill us.
Think about a single event that humans can't resolve if they really try, that is, if it gets enough money/man-hours, there is literally none, not even space threats, not even cataclysmic climate breakdown, not even nuclear holocaust will do any more than just force us to readapt for a few years, maybe kill a few million, if it's really apocalyptic a few dozens of millions, it won't even make a dent in the 8000000000 alive today, and still growing rapidly.
>gamma ray burst >hides under a rock
Anon, having the entire Earth between you and a gamma ray burst will not save you. Having the entire Sun between you and a gamma ray burst will not save you. A true, intense gamma ray burst would likely make tardigrades extinct.
> tl;dr - you didn't do your homework > go stand in a corner, Dunce-kun
Hey
So basically we're just not gonna end (go extinct!!)
I know... UGH I know... I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just we're not gonna go extinct it is all
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>hides under a different rock, one further away
You done you pesky galactic hindrance?
A mere hit to productivity and thats it, not too different from an earthquake or a tornado
I'm just gonna ignore that we are speaking in highly theoretical manner but humanity will die at latest when the sun explodes.
Might still be a few billion years but it will happen and i'm pretty sure we won't be able to do much about it.
And even if we would find a way the universe will die at some point and at that point it's 100% certain that humanity dies aswell.
Nothing lasts forever n1gga
I mean considering ftl travel is beyond impossible given our current understanding of physics, I doubt our species even makes it out of our solar system.
Some people seem to have a really hard time with this concept and think that it's human destiny to live on forever, somewhere, for eternity. Like the religious part of their brain is still active even if they're proclaimed atheist.
On the contrary I'm proclaimed religious but I think that part of my brain is dead. I have no real spirituality or feeling of connection to anything supernatural but I don't want to reject it either. I rather just not think too hard about it.
yes goyim you’re doomed don’t even bother having kids
proof? source? explain?
homosexual sapiens will merge with AI and speciate into something unrecognizable
Well, yeah. Within our grandchildrens lifetime I would expect. We're making the planet inhospitable to us. At some point the arable land will not be able to keep up with our population growth, and mass famine will occur. Now at any other point in history this would cause some kind of uprising against the world order, but honestly the population is so fricking neutered nowadays that I can imagine some rightard still defending those in power even as they starve, so who knows. Maybe us common people go out with a bang or with a whimper, but the others are sure to follow.
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We have very well organized world governments now, that will probably ration foods and invoke cultural dietary changes to cope (you will eat the bugs). I think we'll avoid mass starvation in the west, maybe Africa will see some if they keep breeding at current rates, or it will just lead to the 2nd great African colonization as China "invests" in Africa. Which probably means it will get very developed and urbanized and giraffes and shit will go extinct but hey, billions more humans is better than some yellow long neck horses.
“At my other point in history” this would have been utterly inconceivable.
>maybe Africa will see some if they keep breeding at current rates
That’s entirely dependent on western aid, the day that runs dry, you can expect to see a bloodbath on the African continent the likes of which have never been seen
Is that a threat?
Consider it a warning.
Even if 99.9% of humans died there would be 6 million people left.
Kill 99.999 and you have 60k people left.
More than enough to spread out and infect the planet again
If there's only 60k people left you think they would survive? It's possible, humans have numbered less than that before, but if it were modern humans they're lacking a lot of knowledge about how to survive in the wild. And lots of cultural hangups about sex and rape so can't repopulate as easily.
You're forgetting that we carry with us multiple biological defects now and we are extremely slow breathers.
60k people spread across the entire world on the tail end of a apocalypse of our civillisation? we would go extinct so hard man. it doesn't matter if there are "hot singles on your planet." if they are in japan and I am stuck in the US by myself, while 13 africans make more and more inbred goblins that eventually go infertile.
Why should I care about the survival of my species? I only care about myself. And my mommy.
wrong board buddy? this isn't pol
wish anybody on pol or sci or his or any fricking board was willing to talk about societal collapse and oil starvation and our destruction of the environment
We dont need oil for society not to collapse
Although it would be a disaster for anyone who doesnt get at least half their calories from meat and local in season crops, and make cheap chinese junk a thing of the past and thus destroy high performance consumer electronics and cheap household goods for 50 years, the strife would be short lived.
Regardless if we "need it" or not, it is ever-increasingly more difficult to extract and so a future without it as the primary energy behind EVERYTHING is a necessity. I do certainly like the picture you paint of more communal local sustenance but our society seems to have largely rejected the hippy naturalist way of thinking and instead consumed the idea of "more efficient" energy sources fueling a continuing growth.
Beyond wider adoption of sustainable local/natural initiatives because of increasing economic sense/necessity, it seems like we might just find better ways (nuclear and such) to keep fueling the urban ever expanding way of life we are accustomed to.
Oil is not truly needed period
A lot of very stupid and helpless people would starve, a lot of people would end up living at their job, but society would emerge stronger rather than not emerging at all. Remember we already can cover almosr all essential transport with corn, lumber, and used cooking oil based fuels and minor engine retrofits. RIP to the poorgays that live in a corn field 50 miles away from anything non-corn and edible i guess? Also RIP nice computers and home goods, back to the days of underperforming but indestructible american semiconductors and long lasting kitchen tools and appliances.
There is no overpopulation problem. Mankind is just getting started.
How cute, you think space colonization is going to be a thing for anyone but the mega rich!
If you arent mega rich maybe you’re too stupid to be? Natural selection sure is funny until it happens to you.
Most of the mega-rich won't qualify either. Being a technician is probably your best shot.
For a momentary moment in it's earliest, Once we fully colonize our solar sistem obviously not everyone outside of earth will be mega-rich
There is an overpopulation problem. The world is overpopulated with idiots and the issue is heriditary. This is an objective fact. They are a resource drain preventing all that space empire and asteroid mining for infinite gold nonsense.
See: americans, chinese, indians, outdoor cat people, pitbull owners, australia
There is a problem when there’s billions of people that’s preventing this from happening
How can we say there's no population problem when there's
- no unclaimed land left on earth
- significant homeless, high housing costs, people living in shanty/ghettos
- excessive pollution killing off species
- people depressed and on medication for lack of exposure to nature
- so much light and noise pollution most people can't see the stars or hear the birds
Humans evolved like every other animal to be part of the planet not to dominate and exploit it. That's a recent development relative to the timespan of human evolution. I for one still feel my wild side.
mankind is not supposed to leave this cursed planet. we are a cursed species that needs to be contained
Good.
Humans are beyond apex, we'll literally never go extinct.
Sure, a huge catastrophe can wipe down countries or even entire civilizations, maybe even centuries of progress, but humans will never ever ever die, not even humans can kill us.
Think about a single event that humans can't resolve if they really try, that is, if it gets enough money/man-hours, there is literally none, not even space threats, not even cataclysmic climate breakdown, not even nuclear holocaust will do any more than just force us to readapt for a few years, maybe kill a few million, if it's really apocalyptic a few dozens of millions, it won't even make a dent in the 8000000000 alive today, and still growing rapidly.
>gamma ray burst points towards our solar system
big talk for a species that's only ~300,000 years old.
>hides under a rock
what now space? can you, in all your supposed infinite grandiosity even hold a candle against our mighty species?
>gamma ray burst
>hides under a rock
Anon, having the entire Earth between you and a gamma ray burst will not save you. Having the entire Sun between you and a gamma ray burst will not save you. A true, intense gamma ray burst would likely make tardigrades extinct.
> tl;dr - you didn't do your homework
> go stand in a corner, Dunce-kun
Hey
So basically we're just not gonna end (go extinct!!)
I know... UGH I know... I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just we're not gonna go extinct it is all
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>hides under a different rock, one further away
You done you pesky galactic hindrance?
A mere hit to productivity and thats it, not too different from an earthquake or a tornado
you're replying to a moronbait troll
>t. universe
at least it's not a bot
>implying
> a *real* "person"
the Internet is the best social app ever. so far.
>only ~300,000 years old
This was always a moronic take
I'm just gonna ignore that we are speaking in highly theoretical manner but humanity will die at latest when the sun explodes.
Might still be a few billion years but it will happen and i'm pretty sure we won't be able to do much about it.
And even if we would find a way the universe will die at some point and at that point it's 100% certain that humanity dies aswell.
Nothing lasts forever n1gga
>Nothing lasts forever
I will
I mean considering ftl travel is beyond impossible given our current understanding of physics, I doubt our species even makes it out of our solar system.
Some people seem to have a really hard time with this concept and think that it's human destiny to live on forever, somewhere, for eternity. Like the religious part of their brain is still active even if they're proclaimed atheist.
On the contrary I'm proclaimed religious but I think that part of my brain is dead. I have no real spirituality or feeling of connection to anything supernatural but I don't want to reject it either. I rather just not think too hard about it.
The concept of time will be obsolete before humans are, deal with it inferior lifeform
I wish.
not "soon enough"
Define """soon."""
Within 6 months.
Two more weeks