So why exactly are GMOs bad? What's the problem with making crops cold resistant or making fish grow larger? It just seems like fear mongering to me because I can't find any legitimate reasons against it.
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because you can put copyright and ownership on them and then sue poor farmers that were to poor to contruct a huge wall to keep them from hopping on their field into suicide
What liberal soience lovers don't grasp is that it's not just that the organisms are genetically modified although that has the potential to go incredibly wrong, it's that modern humans are far too stupid to be tampering with organisms' genetics, something which is permanent for the rest of that species' existence. Maybe humans should try to focus on mastering the non-pedophile government first.
Generics is infinity easier than fixing politics.
You might be right about that.
Nothing inherently. Modifying crops can be a good thing, such as making them cold resistant like you said.
But companies (monsanto) do shit like modifying crops to not produce seed, forcing poor farmers to continuously buy bags and bags of seed every season. Similarly, companies (monsanto) do shit like sell seeds that are resistant to only THEIR brand of (toxic to humans) pesticide, forcing you to give them more money. So no, GMO crops are not inherently bad. Companies (monsanto) are.
Any farmer can go buy natural seeds, they choose Monsanto because the plants grow stronger, are more resistant to disease, and easier to care for.
Farmers pick Monsanto seeds, Monsanto isn't forcing anyone. Farmers are stupid and lazy, so the less work they have to do the better. They see the yields from Monsanto GMO seeds and decide to go with those.
They make more money and feed the entire third world with their crops. Without Monsanto the entirety of Africa, India, and probably most of SEA would starve and die. Do you really want billions of black and brown people to starve to death??
we dont export grain, monsanto imports the seeds
africa is safe because theres literally food everywhere
sea is safe because theres literally food everywhere
india is fricked has more problems environmental problems than africa or sea that the people still have problems with, not to say that people in sea or africa are better, theyre not, its just its a lot easier for them to live there
Yes. But "whites" also. Frick humans.
While there have been proposals to create GMO crops that do not produce seeds, none of those have ever been sold. You are getting mad at something that does not exist. All currently sold GMO plants can produce seeds just fine. If they couldn't, you wouldn't see the concerns about cross contamination that
mentions.
It should be noted that seed buying is very common for most crops, not just GMO ones; many modern food crops that are grown are hybrids between two sub species of a plant, that benefit from hybrid vigor. One quirk of breeding hybrids like this is that the first gen of hybrids (F1) will have consistent traits, while if you mate those F1 hybrids with each other the F2 hybrids will have a hodgepodge of traits from the original strains. Farmers find buying seeds from a company that specializes in this sort of thing easier than maintaining two separate lines of plants to make hybrid seeds with.
It should also be noted that seed patents (which apply to both GMO and conventionally bred plants) only last for 20 years. All the early GMO plants are now off patent, and farmers can freely use them if they wish. They mostly don't, because the newer ones work better, but if Bayer or Syngenta ever slack off on making new ones, the old ones are still available.
have a nice day, Monsanto shill.
Monsanto doesn't even exist anymore, Bayer purchased them in 2018. And what exactly did I say that was wrong? Yeah, it might have been shitty if Monsato had released sterile seeds back in the day, but thanks to public outcry they never actually released any. Of course on the flip side, if they had created sterile seeds, the whole cross contamination issue would not be a problem. Maybe all GMO crops should be sterile seeds only, to prevent cross contamination. Or maybe not. Its an idea that is at least worth considering.
Because the government is scared of what they can't control, so you're not allowed to sell glow in the dark kittens.
It's easy to make a mistake. Everytime you change something, there are risks. We have thousands of years of sample size with natural foods, they just work. Many food related items we thought are fine have proven to be harmful: plastic bottles, teflon, seed oils, processed foods etc.
We can't even breed dogs without giving them chronic illnesses.
Aren't selectively-bred crops genetically modified?
It's ignorance and fear mongering, very commonplace in my country.
No. Though reddit really wants you to think so.
Yes they are.
All of this:
Plus, they don't just make plants cold resistant, they make them "round-up ready" so they can be liberally sprayed with herbicide to kill off weeds conveniently without killing the crops. Then that herbicide-drenched food stays on and in the crops and you end up ingesting it and it fricks up your gut microbiome because now every vegetable and grain product you consume is laced with what essentially amounts to powerful antibiotics.
On top of this, GMO crops are being modified such that they can't produce viable seeds. This means you can't save seed from crops and have to keep re-buying seeds from the supplier.
GMOs are fricking evil.
>gut microbiome because now every vegetable and grain product you consume is laced with what essentially amounts to powerful antibiotics.
Herbicides arent antibiotics you massive fricking moron. Consider kys before making your next post.
I said "what essentially amounts to" powerful antibiotics. Antibiotics disrupt the gut microbiome by killing bacteria and so does glyphosate. It's a more indirect process, but it still happens and it's still harmful. Glyphosate inhibits biological processes in plants and causes cell death, and wouldn't you know a very similar process exists in animal guts which glyphosate also disrupts and disrupting it causes bacterial die-off and fricks up the microbiome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9145961/
>Hence, does glyphosate affect the human microbiota? Contemporary research points to the herbicide’s potential to disrupt healthy microbiomes, including the human microbiome. Several empirical studies have determined the impact of glyphosate-based products on wild- and host-associated microbiota and called to control the potentially negative consequences on environmental health and sustainability.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0161813X19300816?via%3Dihub
>Furthermore, dysbiosis may be caused by a wide variety of factors, including some environmental pollutants, fungicides, insecticides or herbicides such as glyphosate, which is the focus of our work.
>A current report has shown the presence of glyphosate (95%) in most beverages for human consumption, from agricultural crops, such as beer and wine, in concentrations ranging from 51ppb to 3.5ppb (Cook, 2019).
>In this work, we state a possible link between Gly-induced dysbiosis and cognitive and motor aggravations in neurodegenerative and neurodevelopmental pathologies, such as autism spectrum disorder (ASD). Hence, we review the negative impact that Gly-induced dysbiosis may have on depression/anxiety, autism, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s diseases
This is all the character limit will allow. Look up glyphosate shikimate pathway disruption to see a wealth of material on the topic and stop simping for Monsanto and other companies poisoning the world for profits.
Some are some aren't. It really depends on what specific herbacide.
dumbass, glyphosate destroys the shikimate pathway in microorganisms. you ingest it and it WILL kill the bacteria in your gut.
The fact that the genes can be copyrighted and if some crop's seed gets blown into your property and grows there, the company can sue the shit out of you.
A company will sell you seeds that produce plants that can't go to seed themselves. You'll be forced to nosh down on daddy Monsantos cheesy dick for every single crop.
Monsanto deserves to die. Yes, really.
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If I had the ability I'd play a big uno reverse card on the corpos.
Nothing. They're great and we're largely dependent on them for food and medicine.
This a problem with copyright law, not GMOs themselves.
I can't believe there are people that still say shit like this. And on Wauf of all places. How fricking shameful.
>if some crop's seed gets blown into your property and grows there, the company can sue the shit out of you.
This has literally never happened.
A papaya farmer on Hawaii lost a crop because it got pollinated my GMO papayas.
https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/2147/index.do
>Percy Schmeiser is a farmer who grows canola
>he also uses Round-up to control weeds
>one year he notices that there's a section of canola plants which wasn't harmed by the Round-up
>he saves the seeds from that section and plants them the following season
>he didn't know that these plants were cross-pollinated from Monsanto GMO crops
>the court finds that 95-98% of Schmeiser's crops are Round-up ready, which is patented by Monsanto
>the court finds that how the seeds ended up in Schmeiser's possession is irrelevant because he intentionally collected and planted the seeds the following season
>Monsanto wins the court case
Basically, a farmer noticed some crops withstood Round-up more than others and decided to plant those seeds to improve his output, then later on Monsanto sues him and the court decides it doesn't matter how the seed got there because Monsanto patented Round-up ready crops and Schmeiser "should have known" and isn't allowed to claim ignorance on the matter.
So yeah, Monsanto "never sues farmers whose crops have been accidentally cross-pollinated" BECAUSE THE COURT RULES THE CROSS-POLLINATION AS IMMATERIAL AND SAYS NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO CLAIM IGNORANCE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
>hey, these crops grew better than these other ones and I don't know why but I'll re-plant them
>those crops of yours are growing better because of our patented GMO techniques
>but I never got any seeds from you or anyone else, the seeds came from my own field
>DOESN'T MATTER IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE NOW PAY UP
But the thing is monsanto wide open to an uno reverse card. All you gotta do is find their fields and cover a bunch of bees in GMO pollen.
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Am I supposed to give a shit?
There is nothing wrong with GMOs. The problem is, as always, greedy rich "people" as this anon points out