Feral pigs are fascinating

Feral pigs are domestic pigs that escaped and returned into nature, they are able to immediately adapt to their new environment. In the photo, the first round of photographs are of a feral pig, presumably of Oxford Sandy and Black breed, you can see that he became very fluffy like wild boars (in the second round of photos) and grew tusks (albeit small ones)
Isn't it fascinating that after centuries of domestication, pigs are able to (almost) return to their original form if left into the wild?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Feral pigs, or porcs, as I like to call them.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    boars are like weird omnivorous wolves in high heels

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >have a pig problem not yet completely out of control
    >ban hunting them because they don't want to encourage hunters to I guess responsibly manage the population or some shit?
    they're worried that if they allow hunting then the pigs will continue to persist
    lib ecoterrorist logic

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hunters to I guess responsibly manage the population or some shit
      hunters help pigs breed more so they have more pigs to hunt, so they tend to make the problem worse

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they're worried that if they allow hunting then the pigs will continue to persist
        >lib ecoterrorist logic

        The actual situation is that the commercial hunters who hunt pigs aren't moronic: they will protect their livelihood and are by no means incentivized or even remotely interested in actually exterminating pigs and solving the pig situation. This exact situation has already played out in Florida with like a dozen different species of reptile and there's no reason to think it's going to play out any differently in any other state with pigs & wild boar.

        Which is why they should bring back wolves.

        >if you kill your enemies, they win.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Part of this is that much of what makes the classic domestic pig look like a classic domestic pig are developmental changes driven by diet and habit while adolescent, and other features, like lack of tusks/cutters are due to direct intervention (tooth pulling) rather than artificial selection being able to eliminate the feature entirely.

        I have relatives in Texas and I hunt feral pigs twice a year when I go visit. Roughly 25% of the feral pigs we kill have the characteristic “domestic pig” snout morphology, and this only occurres in pigs who eat their meals in a pan instead of having to root for them. This means that they were raised up and released instead of being born wild. Hogzilla was one of these. Some people are shitheads who make a problem worse because they think the problem is fun.

        Personally I think you should punish those people instead of everyone else, but doing so is probably much harder than discouraging them in other ways.

        >This means that they were raised up and released instead of being born wild. Hogzilla was one of these. Some people are shitheads who make a problem worse because they think the problem is fun
        >Some people are shitheads who make a problem worse because they think the problem is fun

        hunters. Hunters are the ones who raise and release hogs to then go hunt them. It's a common problem anywhere there are feral pigs and hunting is encouraged

        it's not. Hunters don't care about maintaining the balance of their environment but about having a lot of prey to hunt.
        They actively help increase the population of the animals they hunt, whether it's an invasive species like feral hogs or if it's a native species, by breeding them or feeding them, or culling predators

        >wow pig hunting is fun and makes me a bit of money, I want to keep doing this
        That's all there is to it. If you actually want to solve the problem bring back wolves. Frick, even release some tigers into our wilderness, they kill dozens of boars over the winter in Siberia.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Part of this is that much of what makes the classic domestic pig look like a classic domestic pig are developmental changes driven by diet and habit while adolescent, and other features, like lack of tusks/cutters are due to direct intervention (tooth pulling) rather than artificial selection being able to eliminate the feature entirely.

      I have relatives in Texas and I hunt feral pigs twice a year when I go visit. Roughly 25% of the feral pigs we kill have the characteristic “domestic pig” snout morphology, and this only occurres in pigs who eat their meals in a pan instead of having to root for them. This means that they were raised up and released instead of being born wild. Hogzilla was one of these. Some people are shitheads who make a problem worse because they think the problem is fun.

      Personally I think you should punish those people instead of everyone else, but doing so is probably much harder than discouraging them in other ways.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This means that they were raised up and released instead of being born wild. Hogzilla was one of these. Some people are shitheads who make a problem worse because they think the problem is fun
        >Some people are shitheads who make a problem worse because they think the problem is fun

        hunters. Hunters are the ones who raise and release hogs to then go hunt them. It's a common problem anywhere there are feral pigs and hunting is encouraged

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          The people who release the pigs occasionally hunters, yes, but generally they are people who lease hunting ground for profit.

          Hunters in my area mass breed their animals of choice then- when hunting season arrives- just dump them into the wild. Since they've been kept in a shed their whole lives the animals are dumb af and have no survival skills. I swear more of them die in road collisions.

          That sort of practice is entirely foreign to me culturally. Where are you from?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That sort of practice is entirely foreign to me culturally.

            The only time I’ve ever heard of it is pheasant “hunts” in Europe where they’ll release the birds from cages. Like a live version of skeet shooting. Even our “canned hunts” here happen on 10,000 acre ranches that might as well be wilderness. I once knew a bison rancher who would let you hunt his herd for $400. His ranch was 15 square miles and the bison were free range.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they're worried that if they allow hunting then the pigs will continue to persist
      >lib ecoterrorist logic

      The actual situation is that the commercial hunters who hunt pigs aren't moronic: they will protect their livelihood and are by no means incentivized or even remotely interested in actually exterminating pigs and solving the pig situation. This exact situation has already played out in Florida with like a dozen different species of reptile and there's no reason to think it's going to play out any differently in any other state with pigs & wild boar.

      Which is why they should bring back wolves.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Would a pack of feral hogs even get taken down by wolves at this point?

        https://i.imgur.com/tHGLOgT.jpg

        >There was that picture of a girl lost for a month in the wild and she looked way different. It made the rounds a while back.

        Is it this one? 25 year old woman who was lost in a forest in Alabama for a month and survived foraging and drinking from creeks? She's definitely gone through some changes.

        Just me or did she get more attractive? Admittedly I have a slight feral girl fetish from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Would a pack of feral hogs even get taken down by wolves at this point?

          Maybe not all at once, but wolves are capable of taking down feral hogs & wild boar, and on the European continent you find some wolves who's diet mostly consists of wild boar. Granted, in places like Europe and Canada; wild boar are a great source of food for wolves in the winter because the heavy snows dramatically slow down the boar and compromise their vision (pigs can't look up) making them easier prey than deer. A particularly hard and very snowy winter can really devastate wild boar populations and keep them controlled. Wild boar have spread across the prairie provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba), but the situation is a lot more under control due to the presence of wolves and those winters I mentioned.

          The other thing is that the presence of a devoted predator has a psychological impact on something like a boar that human hunters can never replicate. Boar and deer very quickly pick up on the "rules" that a human hunter follows and learn to abide by them: this area is safe, this season they won't hunt us, that person doesn't have a gun, they grow crops here, traps look like that, etc.. Creating windows of opportunity n' so forth that they'll gladly take advantage of constantly.
          Wolves though apply constant and unending pressure and even if their kill ratio isn't perfect that stress and the changes in behavior it causes is maybe more important.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >le hunters care about the environment
      where did this meme come from and why do people still believe it

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's true though.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hunters hurt animals
          Hurting animals make me feel funny inside
          Hunters are bad

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            As opposed to what, buying your meat from walmart?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's not. Hunters don't care about maintaining the balance of their environment but about having a lot of prey to hunt.
          They actively help increase the population of the animals they hunt, whether it's an invasive species like feral hogs or if it's a native species, by breeding them or feeding them, or culling predators

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hunters in my area mass breed their animals of choice then- when hunting season arrives- just dump them into the wild. Since they've been kept in a shed their whole lives the animals are dumb af and have no survival skills. I swear more of them die in road collisions.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Probably because their understanding of ecology went beyond watching bambi and getting mad

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can wild boar and feral pigs have offspring?
    Can a man return to monke using the same method?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Can wild boar and feral pigs have offspring?
      yes
      >Can a man return to monke using the same method?
      try and update us

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Can wild boar and feral pigs have offspring?
      Yeah, since feral pigs are domestic pigs and domestic pigs are descended from wild boars
      Here's a domestic pig - wild boar mix

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think the process you're looking for is "Epigenetics"; the process in which behavior and environment can cause changes in how genes are expressed (typically triggered by the absence or presence of certain hormones). The domestic pig vs the feral pig is a great example since, as you've already mentioned, the changes they go through are quite explicit and can happen in a matter of months.

      These changes aren't exclusive to pigs as even something as placid and goofy as a cow can become quite robust if forced to fend for themselves in the wild. As for Humans "going feral" I do know offhand that a Human who's actively forced to live outside in the wild (say because they're stranded on an island) will revert into something more resembling a Cromagnon: your hair becomes thicker, nappy & wavy, eye colour darkens as does your skin tone, you lose fat, and gain wiry muscle.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but feral cows are FAR LESS COMMON which is probably because cows are far less intelligent and far less likely to escape
        But speaking of feral pigs, one interesting thing is the coloration they get, now obviously this is infuenced by the breed the feral pig belongs to but in pic rel you can see one piglet is the same colors as the sow, but the other pigs are having wild boar piglet-style coloration
        This pig epigenetics is quite something

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        There was that picture of a girl lost for a month in the wild and she looked way different. It made the rounds a while back.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There was that picture of a girl lost for a month in the wild and she looked way different. It made the rounds a while back.

          Is it this one? 25 year old woman who was lost in a forest in Alabama for a month and survived foraging and drinking from creeks? She's definitely gone through some changes.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            how the frick do you get lost for a month in Alabama? literally walk in one direction and you'll come upon a Walmart.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >how the frick do you get lost for a month in Alabama? literally walk in one direction and you'll come upon a Walmart.

              I actually sat down and read her story and like most disappearing person stories none of it makes any fricking sense.
              She got lost in the woods after fleeing into the night from her two male friends who wanted to rob another friends hunting cabin. She figured she could just follow the trail and get back onto the highway and walk home, but *something* fricking happened and the next thing anybody knows is she's found a month later sleeping in a bush about a mile away from a highway.
              She had apparently been walking in a 40 mile circle. What the weirdest part though is that she was completely naked and tested positive for meth. Where the frick did she get the meth from? She didn't have any meth, the two male friends she ran from didn't have meth(?), and for that matter didn't know what the frick had happened to her as they were accusing each other of her murder.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >literally walk in one direction
              People tend to unintentionally walk in circles if they don't have training to do otherwise.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >People tend to unintentionally walk in circles if they don't have training to do otherwise.
                It's a good way to end up back where you started. In the old times heading in one direction meant going farther and farther from your settlement.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            There was that picture of a girl lost for a month in the wild and she looked way different. It made the rounds a while back.

            Actually, come to think of it: Quanah Parker is maybe the best example I can think of.
            Parker was an 8 year old child from Texas who was kidnapped by Comache Indians sometime in 1850 and raised to adulthood by them. During this time period the Comache were on the tail end of the extermination of the Bison, so they still lived a highly nomadic lifestyle on the back of a horse. Pic related is Parker. You can quite clearly see he's gone through some dramatic epigenetic phrenological changes from his radically different upbringing despite being Caucasian.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Parker was an 8 year old child from Texas who was kidnapped by Comache Indians sometime in 1850 and raised to adulthood by them
              kek

              that was his mom. Quanah was half comanche

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Pic with makeup VS pic with no makeup
            >Wow living in the wilderness is hard!!

            Are men really like this.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's amazing how crazy successful they are, and it's always annoying to see people conflate wild boar and feral pigs when they're their own thing like the pic shows

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