>New discoveries are made >hard evidence shows your childhood storybook is wrong >Dinosaurs are being ruined
Actually, your childhood storybook ruined them in advance.
>hard evidence shows your childhood storybook is wrong
none of the evidence is that hard.
a lot of it probably isn't even evidence.
The average public isn't capable of telling good evidence from bad, you give it all the same weight. Either it's all completely true or it's all completely false. The reality is a lot of it is true, a lot of it is false, and most of it is impossible to know.
>none of the evidence is that hard.
It's rocks. Harder than your diabetus dick. >a lot of it probably isn't even evidence.
It is. >The average public isn't capable of telling good evidence from bad, you give it all the same weight. Either it's all completely true or it's all completely false. The reality is a lot of it is true, a lot of it is false, and most of it is impossible to know.
No, it's very well easy to tell if a fossil is fake. It's a rock. It's meant to be in a certain age range. It's meant to only contain certain compounds. Adulterations and fabrications can be spotted.
Feathers are basal to ornithodira and were lost independently in several lineages. cope, reddit spacer.
I'm not talking about fake fossils. I'm talking about stuff like OP where the legs may not even belong to the rest of the body.
>Feathers are basal to ornithodira and were lost independently in several lineages.
Occam kicks your ass on that one. Aside from the complete lack of feather fossils from basal ornithodirans.
>Pterosaurs had feathers >Basal ceratopsian had feathers >Basal ornithischian had feathers >Theropods had feathers >nah mayne feathers aren't basal to this group. occams razor is feathers keep magically appearing.
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Anonymous
>occams razor is feathers keep magically appearing.
Ornithoscelida reduces it to 2 appearances, but the traditional interpretation requires only 3.
neither is more complex than feathers being lost in almost 100 different lineages and replaced with scales.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Muh made up clade
Lol. >neither is more complex than feathers being lost in almost 100 different lineages and replaced with scales.
Alas, they all had some feathers at some life stage.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Muh made up clade
It actually helps your argument by making it simpler, but if you want to toss it out I don't care. >they all had some feathers at some life stage.
said no scientist ever, including the ones that think feathers are basal to the group.
ontogenetic feather loss is even less likely than evolutionary feather loss.
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Anonymous
1 month ago
Anonymous
>scientists discover 4 different species had feathers in 4 different spots or lost feathers in some way due to gigantothermy
snoozefest
>Muh made up clade
It actually helps your argument by making it simpler, but if you want to toss it out I don't care. >they all had some feathers at some life stage.
said no scientist ever, including the ones that think feathers are basal to the group.
ontogenetic feather loss is even less likely than evolutionary feather loss.
Said-no-scientist-ever would make a great generic response to all anti-feather-troony posts tbh considering the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>considering the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
check'd
that's not at all the prevailing opinion, but I can understand why you might think it is. The press loves to amplify ideas that scientists often simply don't accept or treat with a lot of skepticism.
>lost feathers in some way due to gigantothermy
and then replaced with scales. The average person doesn't realize losing feathers and replacing them with scales is just as difficult as evolving feathers in the first place. In fact no bird has ever completely lost feathers and replaced them with scales in the 130 million years they've had to do it.
I'm not anti-feathers, that's an autistic false dichotomy. It's very clear that some dinosaurs had feathers and some didn't. You can't just explain that away with childish misunderstandings of evolution.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
the prevailing opinion is:
either alternative is possible
we don't know which is true yet
the statistical evidence points to feathers NOT being basal in avemetatarsalians
the statistical evidence could be wrong
anyone that takes a firm side on the debate is probably wrong. Because the answer is unknown, and currently unknowable.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The fossil evidence points to feathers being basal to all of ornithodira.
>considering the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
check'd
that's not at all the prevailing opinion, but I can understand why you might think it is. The press loves to amplify ideas that scientists often simply don't accept or treat with a lot of skepticism.
>lost feathers in some way due to gigantothermy
and then replaced with scales. The average person doesn't realize losing feathers and replacing them with scales is just as difficult as evolving feathers in the first place. In fact no bird has ever completely lost feathers and replaced them with scales in the 130 million years they've had to do it.
I'm not anti-feathers, that's an autistic false dichotomy. It's very clear that some dinosaurs had feathers and some didn't. You can't just explain that away with childish misunderstandings of evolution.
>In fact no bird has ever completely lost feathers and replaced them with scales in the 130 million years they've had to do it.
The genetic potential to was lost due to the increasing complexity of feathers.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The fossil evidence points to feathers being basal to all of ornithodira.
The public doesn't buy or read college textbooks, so you miss out on most of the good science.
>The genetic potential to was lost due to the increasing complexity of feathers.
Interesting idea. Why would you expect scales are easier to evolve in places where feathers weren't as derived?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The genetic potential to was lost
Fascinating, except for the tiny detail that birds still have scales, you massive moron.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>except for the tiny detail that birds still have scales, you massive moron.
we're discussing complete loss of feathers and replacement with scales over the whole body.
his thought was actually interesting since the places where birds have replaced feathers with scales have less "developed" feathers on them.
Meaning his idea that less developed feathers might be easier to replace with scales could have merit. Or that feathers would have been easier to replace earlier in their evolution.
I am curious if he can propose a mechanism for why that might be.
I disagree with the anon, but he certainly isn't a moron. Not in that comment anyways.
1 month ago
Anonymous
In fact it showed considerable intelligence and restraint to NOT bring up bird scales in a discussion of feather replacement by scales.
the anon presumably knows that we're both aware of bird scales and understand they don't argue in favor of whole body replacement aside from proving that it's possible and still never happened.
>pretend to be a woman >exclusively do the most masculine fricking hobbies
it's like that troony paramilitary unit with the alpaca ranch. How do you not see that these are exclusively MALE activities?
Injecting your mental illness onto creatures that aren't even able to understand why you'd ever want to mutilate your own wiener is unironically satanic
I am genuinely curious what you people get out of this. Do you enjoy making yourselves upset? How many times can you make the same thread and have the same shitflinging argument before it gets boring? If you hate trannies so much, why do you make every discussion on every board about them? If you're so sick of seeing gender bullshit everywhere, wouldn't it be better to talk about literally anything else? I just don't get it.
They're looking for an echo chamber. What they're hoping is that other obsessed homosexuals will scream with them in unison.
They are an ape without a tribe, it's actually quite sad.
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Why are troony memes always some variant of "this media character or thing you like is now gay"
Is it some kind of self-affirmation thing? Don't xhey get enough of that already?
>Don't xhey get enough of that already?
They can never get enough of that
Birds, a group of feathered dinosaurs, feature heavily on the standards of armies and empires and feathered dinosaurs are supposed to be “trans”? You moron a feathered dinosaur is THE symbol of a regime that arose partly because people hated trannies.
People on Twitter being cringe is supposed to convincing? morons are morons and I can find a half a dozen "t-rex patriotic t-shirts" to back that up. Your politics don't impact the truth whatsoever, partisan frickwad.
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I FRICKING HATE THE TRANS DINOSAUR COMMUNITY, LEAVE THE DINOSAURS TO THE NORMAL PEOPLE YOU FRICKING homosexualS
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Injecting your mental illness onto creatures that aren't even able to understand why you'd ever want to mutilate your own wiener is unironically satanic
Why are troony memes always some variant of "this media character or thing you like is now gay"
Is it some kind of self-affirmation thing? Don't xhey get enough of that already?
You don't think a giant semiaquatic bipedal apex predator is cooler than a recolored t-rex with a sail, slightly bigger arms, and a crocodile mouth? I don't get you Jurassic Park fanboys, truly I don't.
it does matter thanks for sharing xister
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Just be a fan of dinosaurs other than the popular ones
My acro is still untouched
Why are israelites ruining dinosaurs? What are they trying to accomplish?
its not them, its their spawn doing it
>New discoveries are made
>hard evidence shows your childhood storybook is wrong
>Dinosaurs are being ruined
Actually, your childhood storybook ruined them in advance.
>hard evidence shows your childhood storybook is wrong
none of the evidence is that hard.
a lot of it probably isn't even evidence.
The average public isn't capable of telling good evidence from bad, you give it all the same weight. Either it's all completely true or it's all completely false. The reality is a lot of it is true, a lot of it is false, and most of it is impossible to know.
>none of the evidence is that hard.
It's rocks. Harder than your diabetus dick.
>a lot of it probably isn't even evidence.
It is.
>The average public isn't capable of telling good evidence from bad, you give it all the same weight. Either it's all completely true or it's all completely false. The reality is a lot of it is true, a lot of it is false, and most of it is impossible to know.
No, it's very well easy to tell if a fossil is fake. It's a rock. It's meant to be in a certain age range. It's meant to only contain certain compounds. Adulterations and fabrications can be spotted.
Feathers are basal to ornithodira and were lost independently in several lineages. cope, reddit spacer.
I'm not talking about fake fossils. I'm talking about stuff like OP where the legs may not even belong to the rest of the body.
>Feathers are basal to ornithodira and were lost independently in several lineages.
Occam kicks your ass on that one. Aside from the complete lack of feather fossils from basal ornithodirans.
>Pterosaurs had feathers
>Basal ceratopsian had feathers
>Basal ornithischian had feathers
>Theropods had feathers
>nah mayne feathers aren't basal to this group. occams razor is feathers keep magically appearing.
>occams razor is feathers keep magically appearing.
Ornithoscelida reduces it to 2 appearances, but the traditional interpretation requires only 3.
neither is more complex than feathers being lost in almost 100 different lineages and replaced with scales.
>Muh made up clade
Lol.
>neither is more complex than feathers being lost in almost 100 different lineages and replaced with scales.
Alas, they all had some feathers at some life stage.
>Muh made up clade
It actually helps your argument by making it simpler, but if you want to toss it out I don't care.
>they all had some feathers at some life stage.
said no scientist ever, including the ones that think feathers are basal to the group.
ontogenetic feather loss is even less likely than evolutionary feather loss.
>scientists discover 4 different species had feathers in 4 different spots or lost feathers in some way due to gigantothermy
snoozefest
Said-no-scientist-ever would make a great generic response to all anti-feather-troony posts tbh considering the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
>considering the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
check'd
that's not at all the prevailing opinion, but I can understand why you might think it is. The press loves to amplify ideas that scientists often simply don't accept or treat with a lot of skepticism.
>lost feathers in some way due to gigantothermy
and then replaced with scales. The average person doesn't realize losing feathers and replacing them with scales is just as difficult as evolving feathers in the first place. In fact no bird has ever completely lost feathers and replaced them with scales in the 130 million years they've had to do it.
I'm not anti-feathers, that's an autistic false dichotomy. It's very clear that some dinosaurs had feathers and some didn't. You can't just explain that away with childish misunderstandings of evolution.
>the prevailing opinion is literally every lineage of dinosaur began with a feathered animal.
the prevailing opinion is:
either alternative is possible
we don't know which is true yet
the statistical evidence points to feathers NOT being basal in avemetatarsalians
the statistical evidence could be wrong
anyone that takes a firm side on the debate is probably wrong. Because the answer is unknown, and currently unknowable.
The fossil evidence points to feathers being basal to all of ornithodira.
>In fact no bird has ever completely lost feathers and replaced them with scales in the 130 million years they've had to do it.
The genetic potential to was lost due to the increasing complexity of feathers.
>The fossil evidence points to feathers being basal to all of ornithodira.
The public doesn't buy or read college textbooks, so you miss out on most of the good science.
>The genetic potential to was lost due to the increasing complexity of feathers.
Interesting idea. Why would you expect scales are easier to evolve in places where feathers weren't as derived?
>The genetic potential to was lost
Fascinating, except for the tiny detail that birds still have scales, you massive moron.
>except for the tiny detail that birds still have scales, you massive moron.
we're discussing complete loss of feathers and replacement with scales over the whole body.
his thought was actually interesting since the places where birds have replaced feathers with scales have less "developed" feathers on them.
Meaning his idea that less developed feathers might be easier to replace with scales could have merit. Or that feathers would have been easier to replace earlier in their evolution.
I am curious if he can propose a mechanism for why that might be.
I disagree with the anon, but he certainly isn't a moron. Not in that comment anyways.
In fact it showed considerable intelligence and restraint to NOT bring up bird scales in a discussion of feather replacement by scales.
the anon presumably knows that we're both aware of bird scales and understand they don't argue in favor of whole body replacement aside from proving that it's possible and still never happened.
you're the fool that didn't get it.
>pretend to be a woman
>exclusively do the most masculine fricking hobbies
it's like that troony paramilitary unit with the alpaca ranch. How do you not see that these are exclusively MALE activities?
>taking care of animals is an exclusively male activity
have a nice day
It is. Women are incapable of taking care of anything
Im sorry you had a bad mother, anon. It's not a reason to generalize.
Dinosaurs, paramilitaries and ranching are boy hobbies. Sorry it makes your neovegana twinge or whatever.
Injecting your mental illness onto creatures that aren't even able to understand why you'd ever want to mutilate your own wiener is unironically satanic
Most adults that are intrested in dinosaurs are mentally ill so it checks out.
I am genuinely curious what you people get out of this. Do you enjoy making yourselves upset? How many times can you make the same thread and have the same shitflinging argument before it gets boring? If you hate trannies so much, why do you make every discussion on every board about them? If you're so sick of seeing gender bullshit everywhere, wouldn't it be better to talk about literally anything else? I just don't get it.
They're looking for an echo chamber. What they're hoping is that other obsessed homosexuals will scream with them in unison.
They are an ape without a tribe, it's actually quite sad.
these threads are just never going to stop are they
>Trans rights or I bi-ACK
Kek
>Don't xhey get enough of that already?
They can never get enough of that
kinda based. trannies are good trolls. it's amazing people actually seethe about this
Birds, a group of feathered dinosaurs, feature heavily on the standards of armies and empires and feathered dinosaurs are supposed to be “trans”? You moron a feathered dinosaur is THE symbol of a regime that arose partly because people hated trannies.
what are you on about
I don't think transphobes are the one that should worry about passing.
Also that adam's apple.
h
People on Twitter being cringe is supposed to convincing? morons are morons and I can find a half a dozen "t-rex patriotic t-shirts" to back that up. Your politics don't impact the truth whatsoever, partisan frickwad.
>gay with a trans husband
This just wraps back around to heterosexuality.
People really like the aesthetics of being gay. Even if they're, yk, not actually gay.
You mean they want the victim points
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true
>super gay
>trans husband
What's gay about a man marrying a woman?
I FRICKING HATE THE TRANS DINOSAUR COMMUNITY, LEAVE THE DINOSAURS TO THE NORMAL PEOPLE YOU FRICKING homosexualS
Weren't you in another thread redditing out about religion? Highly disingenous of you, don't you think?
These guys are the same ones which made this
It's hilarious how even after all of this shit they could not claim t-rex or any theropod larger than yutyrannus
Why are troony memes always some variant of "this media character or thing you like is now gay"
Is it some kind of self-affirmation thing? Don't xhey get enough of that already?
>I don't like this so it's not real
whatever happened to "facts don't care about your feelings" lol
You don't think a giant semiaquatic bipedal apex predator is cooler than a recolored t-rex with a sail, slightly bigger arms, and a crocodile mouth? I don't get you Jurassic Park fanboys, truly I don't.