Hi Wauf. Are there any species where the female is the one going after and chasing the male for mating?
Any species where the male is selective of which mature females it will mate with, and which ones it will reject?
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Hi Wauf. Are there any species where the female is the one going after and chasing the male for mating?
Any species where the male is selective of which mature females it will mate with, and which ones it will reject?
>another stealth homosexualry thread
Spotted hyena.
>Are there any species where the female is the one going after and chasing the male for mating?
Lots of fish do. Clownfish are a common one. There are beetle species known for it too.
>Any species where the male is selective of which mature females it will mate with, and which ones it will reject?
Like seahorses?
Actually, female seahorses are still the selective ones, weirdly enough. Apparently even though males incubate and birth the young, the energy investment into making the eggs in the first place is still greater.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neotrogla
The futa rape bug
yikes
>A single mating session can last from 40 to 70 hours
YIKES
It’s a good thing these things are tiny. Nobody wants to see that happening on their porch
>Nobody wants to see that happening on their porch
I do
this is extremely interesting, thank you!
is this reversal really so rare that it can only be found in such fringe beings?
It's because in almost every case, the female is the one doing the bulk of the work creating the child, where as males just cum, and from there, their involvement can be over.
The female is choosy because she wants to make sure that she's not going to invest all this energy into babies that suck ass and won't survive.
I understand that, but it's not so clear-cut to me how this alone prevents such a reversal.
Theoretically, couldn't females chase their preferred males while still being choosy about it? Couldn't males also be selective of their cum dumps while still not being very involved in raising their offspring?
no.
Are you capable of imagining such a scenario and then playing out the consequences in your head? I'm guessing not. Let me try to do it for you
female has few gametes that are very expensive. Male has lots of gametes that are very cheap. If the female doesn't care who fertilizes her eggs, and the males do the choosing,
All that will happen is some male will be born that isn't choosy, and instantly he will fertilize every egg in the area. His non-choosy genes will spread, and very quickly males won't be choosy anymore.
not only is there no selective pressure to make males choosy, but if for some magical reason males become choosy, they would immediately be replaced by non-choosy males.
Why can't there be or have been selective pressure for males to be choosy? And why then isn't there selective pressure for females to have many gametes that are not so expensive?
Anyway, how does all that prevent females from chasing their partners?
I probably know less biology than you do, sorry if these questions seem dumb.
I'm sorry, I don't think I can dumb it down any further than I already did.
I didn't ask you to. Your previous answer doesn't address these last questions.
I just read male clownfish become female when the previous female dies, what the frick lol. So these female clownfish chasing after male fish had been male themselves? crazy
>Your previous answer doesn't address these last questions.
yeah, it really doesn't address anything if you don't understand the answer.
>I didn't ask you to.
let's think about one of your questions
one of the sexes needs to produce the gamete that becomes the new organism. This gamete has to survive and grow on its own, often outside the body of the parent. Because it needs to survive and grow independently, it is larger, and more expensive to produce.
we call this larger gamete the egg.
And we define the sex that carries it as female
now say we switch sexes. The male now produces large gametes capable of surviving and growing outside of the parent. The female now contributes smaller gametes that don't need to survive and grow on their own.
all they've done is switched sexes. The male is now the female because females are defined by having eggs. The female is now the male.
Nothing in particular is stopping this from happening, except semantics. If it happened, the animals just swapped sexes. The female stopped being female and became male, and vice versa.
because the sexes are defined by the features you are asking to switch.
a some species change sexes as they grow, it think its common in mollusks and dont forget about the chemicals that turns the frogs gay, because amphibians are kinda "primitive" in that their sex determination less definite than mammals