Do you support Pleistocene rewilding? Posted on January 23, 2023 by Anonymous Do you support Pleistocene rewilding Wauf?
If I had the infinite cosmic power to do this I would become the greatest ecoterrorist
Yes I love rewilding
Yes, but mostly because I want to be better able to protect them from poachers and the Chinese. There are already more tigers in Texas than in the rest of the world, there should be more Asian and African Elephants in the American South than in the rest of the world as well.
Put Amur Tigers in Alaska and the Yukon, Snow Leopards in the Rockies, Asian Elephants in Alabama, ect.
I will do it regardless of peoples opinions. Were it not for people, the megafauna or at least some of it could have recovered to the point where we could still see them today.
I volunteer to have a dingo in my backyard
Maybe even a bunch of dingoes
I wonder if Africans will start selectively breeding themselves to have lighter features.
I know Asians are definitely starting to do this with gene mods, but not with selective breeding (yet).
Europeans have been doing it to themselves for thousands of years really. Part of the reason they had light features was due to such selective breeding.
Absolutely, they're the first animals that were unnaturally extinguished (unnatural meaning killed off by man).
There is no difference between them, the dodo, the tas tiger or the Western black rhinoceros.
In my opinion the ethics shouldn't come into it, we're literally just restoring the pre-human natural environment.
Whether it's possible is another question because frankly humans might go extinct very soon at this rate.
>Is it just the same species?
eh, go ahead. Reintroducing species into their historic ranges should be fine.
>is it endangered?
might be worth getting more iffy with it just to help fight off extinction. If an Indian Elephant can handle living in Georgia or somewhere, then at the very least it helps serve as a reserve. But if those animals mess up that's on them.
I would mainly throw African elephants into America to put them outside of Chinese reach.
>Random animal to a place cause it kinda fits the profile.
Dingo's kinda fill the roles thylaicnes had, humans likely killed off our large reptilian predators like megalania and quinkana
On one hand, yes. On the other hand, I’m not so sure. It be great to see some of these animals roaming around again. But I feel like there’d be to many potential issues for it to work out. Such as conflicts with people using the land or the animals that now live there. I could see it possibly working if a sizeable amount of land was set aside for them. But even that I can’t see panning out without any issues. Guess it ultimately depends on certain factors and which animals they’d be bringing back.
With actual Pleistocene species in the correct locations? Yes. Unfortunately, "rewilding" has come to mean "I just want to stick non-native animals wherever".
I had someone on fakebook try to tell me that invasive water buffalo actually have a positive impact in australia because they’re replicating the megafauna that used to exist there. A whole lot of major retardation with some of these rewilders, I mean just look at the pic in OP. An ostrich as a terror bird proxy? Kek
>I'M A REDDIT NPC LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!
If I wanted to do that I'd go to reddit.
Redditors are the ones against rewilding because it goes against the status quo. They're retarded NPCs who think that nature is a static monolith that never changes, which is ironically more of a Christain belief with creation rather than the evolution they believe in as "enlightened" athiests.
Once you get deep into ecology you realize that invasive species really aren't that bad. We just focus on all the negatives while ignoring the positive effects they have.
Control and eradication of invasive animals isn't about preservation of ecological niches, it's about the preservation of species. The 'war on weeds' on the other hand is a complete waste of time & money.
>Once you get deep into ecology you realize that invasive species really aren't that bad
>We just focus on all the negatives while ignoring the positive effects they have
Probably because most of the time the negatives outweigh the positives a hundred fold
Australia's ecosystem is kind of fucked, and would be even without the English settlers. The fact that a dog is an apex predator when in any other ecosystem they would be mid-level predators is kind of telling. Dingos are pretty interesting, but they kind of emphasize how fragile Australia was and still is to invasives.
Dingoes are hot so they deserve it tbh
>The fact that a dog is an apex predator when in any other ecosystem they would be mid-level predators is kind of telling.
They're pretty much apex anywhere there isn't bears (who are closely related anyway).
From memory they out-compete cats in most circumstances due to their lack of reliance on the alpha male for protection. They work as a team.
Dingoes are unusual though, because in the desert they're rather solitary. On Fraser they're not though.
>From memory they out-compete cats in most circumstances
Depends on the cat. Anything leopard sized and smaller yes, lion sized and bigger no
Lions can only survive by stealing kills from superior hyenas and wild dogs. It's sad, really, once their competition is gone due to habitat destruction they will starve. truly the gibsmedat cat.
>Lions can only survive by stealing kills from superior hyenas and wild dogs
Hyenas aren’t canids, lions do fine in the absence of either hyenas or wild dogs to steal from and tigers exist
They are just as bad as feral cats. No, it isn't a "dingo", it is just a rabid feral dog and it shouldn't be allowed to hunt the unique native wildlife of Australia.
>aninals move across land bridges, swim across gulfs, and fly across skies
>other animals hitch a ride
>OMG BASED NATURE ITS SO INTERESTING HOW THINGS ARE ALWAYS CHANGING
>a funny little wolf does the same thing and piggybacks off a monkey
>KILL IT KILL IT DOES NOT BELONG IT STOLS BEING NATURE WHEN MONKEYS ARE INVOLVED I HATE MONKEYS I HATE DOGS KILL KILL KILL KILL
Fucks sakes it wasn’t even modern man that brought them there
Dingoes are naturalized and are living happily in australia. The only people who hate them are the sheep farmers that LITERALLY DESTROYED 50% OF THE LAND.
>Dingoes are naturalized
The word "naturalised" just means that an invasive species (such as the breed of domestic dog known as the "dingo") has so thoroughly established itself in a new ecosystem that it will not die out.
The words "naturalised" and "naturalisation" do not mean that these invasive species have magically become a "natural" part of the ecosystems to which humans have introduced them.
Simple example: Humans have introduced rats everywhere they have gone in recent centuries. From Wiki:
>Some experts believe that rats are to blame for between forty percent and sixty percent of all seabird and reptile extinctions, with ninety percent of those occurring on islands.
Rats are now "naturalised" on most of those islands (including Australia, New Zealand and every other habitable Pacific Island). Rats are not a "natural" part of those ecosystems. They are a fucking plague and a steamroller of extinction.
Dingoes are just the same. Dingoes only arrived in Australia a few thousand years ago, thanks to fishermen from South-East Asia. Dingoes are the reason that the thylacine or "Tasmanian tiger" became extinct on the mainland (Whitey is the reason it became extinct in Tasmania).
Don't misunderstand the word "naturalised". "Naturalised" just means we can't fucking get rid of it now.
>"Naturalised" just means we can't fucking get rid of it now.
Then rats aren’t naturalised on those islands you mentioned. Dingoes got to Australia pre-industrialisation with the help of hunter gatherers and don’t have a major impact on living species, they are not comparable to rats jumping off a massive cargo ship and wiping out half the bird species overnight on an island somewhere
>NOOO ITS BAD THAT NATURE CHANGED
>NATURE NEEDS TO BE EXACTLY HOW WHITE PEOPLE THINK IT SHOULD BE TO BE MAXIMALLY INTERESTING
>WE'LL NEVER SEE DAVID ATTENBOROUGH COMMENT ON THESE ANIMALS
>DAMN WHITE PEOPLE
>t. white people
The juiciest part is dingoes are not the reason for SHIT. Tasmanian tigers went extinct because of sheepfuckers aggressively hunting them.
>t. sheep farmer
Cope. Rewilding is based and should be encouraged more. Ecosystems are more interesting and dynamic with large animals roaming around.
No I don't care about your shitty deserts and second growth forest (b-b-but muh trees!). They'd actually benefit from megafauna spreading seeds and creating clearings.
Marsupials are retarded. It was inevitable that plancetals would come to Australia and take it over, humans were just one way for it to happen.
>It was inevitable that plancetals would come to Australia and take it over
That’s a result of the megafauna dying out as the continent dried and leaving niches open. Dingos wouldn’t be an apex predator if something like Thylacoleo was still alive. That’s pretty obvious when you look at how badly Tasmanian devils mog cats and foxes
It's a cool idea, but where would they go? Most of their native ecosystems have been converted into land for us and there's 8 billion of us. There would be too much conflict
I think rewilding the UK specifically with bison and lynx is cool, but there already isn't even enough room for things that are still here. Where the fuck are they gonna go?
I volunteer to have a lynx in my garden
no,we are no longer in the Pleistocene
No, but I do enjoy daydreaming about creating ecosystems with all my favorite species.
Only when it involves Komodo dragons in Australia
This, the only legitimate rewilding project I support. Too bad the Indonesians are obstructing that effort as much as they can because "MUH TOURISM"
Remember what they took from us
In some cases it's a good idea. Tasmanian devils being back in Australia is great. Any species that still exists and can be reintroduced to parts of its range where its gone locally extinct should absolutely be reintroduced.
You can make an argument for close relatives. If European bison didn't make it into the present day I think they could've been pretty harmlessly replaced with American wood bison.
"Ecological equivalents" is where it gets tricky. Despite what your image is suggesting, I don't think an ostrich is an appropriate substitute for a terror bird. Galapagos and Aldabra tortoises don't brumate or burrow like the extinct North American giant tortoises, so they'd just freeze in the winter. Etc.