Did Lions evolve sociality in order to compete with Spotted Hyenas?
I mean, just look a this video.
I can't think of another reason why big predators like lions would live in large groups.
How else are you supposed to compete with Hyenas that live in clans with up to 100 members?
did lions evolved homosexuality to fight hyenas
Yep, creating bonds to form prides definitely helped to fight off clans of hyenas early in african lion evolution
>lioness right there
>still be homosexuals
lionbros… this is kinda embarrassing…
>right in front of my salad
>tig
>bigger brain
>not social
r they le moronic
What if cats in general lost sociality and lions retained it?
>Lions are homosexual
>hyenas are futas
both could go extinct for all care
*all I care
sorry
It's that, and they also had to deal with competition from the likes of Homotherium, Dinofelis, and Megantereon (all large saberteeth that could easily put pressure on lone lions similar to yeens).
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>It's that, and they also had to deal with competition from the likes of Homotherium
Weird how Homotherium went extinct.
A social, lion-sized, cursorial, sabre-toothed cat should have dominated lions and driven them to extinction.
IMO, Homotherium is the superior big cat.
Why did they go extinct?
Longer gestation periods, less megafauna to prey on, from my understanding their prides were much smaller, and the Sabre tooth model just wasn’t that good.
These aren't Smilodon. They were way different in build and split off from them some 24 mya.
>Sabre tooth model just wasn’t that good.
Disagree, the sabertooth model worked for millions of years and imo it's the one thing that the pantherines lack; an efficient way to quickly kill large prey.
That, and higher visual acuity.
Long canines are no longer necessary. Lions have reached the next level.
It's now about living in large groups and overwhelming prey with numbers.
The longer canines of tigers allow them to take larger prey solo, when you think about it the fact that tigers can engage in macropredation as a solo hunter and be the apex predator is extremely impressive.
Saber teeth will evolve again in some leopard or other.
Leopards eat beetles, baboons, gazelle, birds, warthog etc...
They are perfect. Saberteeth would limit the type of foods they would eat.
I don't think they need them.
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>should have dominated lions
what makes you say that
Males and females were as heavy as male lions on average, and were equipted with more fearsome teeth that would have enabled them to regularly hunt larger prey like rhinos, elephants/deinotheres, and even shit like hippos.
Capthca: NAYWSX
Megafauna as a prey species and competitors. We’ve all seen them take on elephants, hippos, and Cape buffalo. Sociality comes with its drawbacks. Like needing a frick ton of food to sustain the group but it also drastically lengthens the list of what can be considered food. This has multiple benefits. Individual lions can survive eating Impala and warthogs if the larger food sources disappear. If a mega cat that solely preyed upon hippos, rhinos, giraffes, and elephants suddenly found itself without those species to eat it would starve. Smaller predators do just fine eating smaller prey but also quite often become prey themselves. As it stands a pride of 200-400lbs cats working together are pretty much the most dangerous land carnivores scientifically feasible.
Pretty much
Correct. Tigers are overall more impressive. If they developed pack behavior they’d have next to no challenges in the wild.
Tigers get bullied by lions on a regular basis. There's nothingimpressive about them beyond their coat pattern.They are very timid, cowardly predators.
>Tigers get bullied by lions on a regular basis.
Uhhh, where? Tigers have been known to hunt elephants in Asia when they need to, they’re anything but cowardly
It's well observed. Also, Tigers hunt elephant calves
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Tigers kill both subadult elephants and calfs, and there are recorded instances of them killing and seriously injuring grown adults too, as well as greater one horned rhinos, so they’re still plenty impressive.
true
What can an elephant actually do though? If you hug its hind legs it can't reach you with its truck, and its too sluggish to get away while you repeatedly pommel it from behind. If you stand to the side of its hind legs then it won't even be able to hit you with a back kick. If it raises its leg to perform a stomp then all you have to do is back off until it finishes its slam, then move back in to continue punching.
>carnivoragay is back
You already got BTFOd in the last lion vs tiger thread
>NOOO muh tigerino is invincible!
Calm down
Thank you for proving my point
sure lol
You're proving it further
proving what?
>you morons attach your ego to your favourite cat and have a meltdown when somebody posts something about it being beaten in a fight
So you've made it your job to police Wauf for their animal preferences aha
No but I am calling you a gay
wow good one
>for their animal preferences
I don’t think you realise this isn’t Carnivora forum. Nobody here cares that much about which would win in a fight, but you have an obsession. You see any mention of tigers and immediately think people are saying the lion isn’t impressive or whatever, that’s mental illness
>Nobody here cares that much about which would win in a fight...
You definitely seem to care a lot. One little video and you've spazzed out. Holy shit lol
>One little video and you've spazzed out
Haven’t watched it, don’t intend to. This is no different to the last thread
>Keeps track of every thread about his pet-peeve
Get help
>being able to remember a thread from not all that long ago is bad
Are you moronic? I guarantee you remember the thread as well
I guarantee you are delusional
Sure sure. Now back to Carnivora with you, consolegay
>Carnivora! Carnivora!
You’re obsessed lmao
>not denying it
Truly depressing. In case you hadn’t noticed, you’re identical to the people who pretend tigers will win any fight with a lion
I honestly have no clue all the baggage you’re bringing into this thread, like Carnivora, other threads, etc. You’ve built a whole fiction in your head. Who cares if people argue about animals lol.
>You’ve built a whole fiction in your head
I’m not the one with fantasies about his favourite animal being infallible and beating up the other almost identical animal 10/10 times
>Now he's making up random shit.
Meanwhile, you've constructed a whole carnivora conspiracy in your head, as evidenced above. You're a loon.
Whether or not you came from there is irrelevant, you’d fit right in and that’s where you should go
>nothing impressive about a 600 lbs top predator
The only thing well observed is that you morons attach your ego to your favourite cat and have a meltdown when somebody posts something about it being beaten in a fight
>20+ of the same 400 lbs top predator living together in prides isn't impressive either
nobody said it wasn't moron. Frick off with your console wars
It's theorized that lions evolved sociality to better compete with other lions, but I agree that hyenas would've also been another reason. Lions at their current size would need to bring down big prey (even as a solo cat) that hyenas would want to steal and lions would eventually either go extinct or become smaller in response.
Lions and hyenas are so weird because they occupy the same niche and are in constant conflict, whereas Siberian tigers suppress grey wolf numbers to the point of localized extinction. I've always wondered in the absence of human interference how the lion-hyena dynamic would eventually go. Would lions or hyenas eventually win out and force the other extinct? Imo lions would force spotted hyenas into a more scavenger-specific niche.
Lion prides can grow to huge coalitions that rule basically their own countries while only being broken down by other male lions or food scarcity so I think the Lions would eventually cement the Hyenas second fiddle position.
Male Lions also have a ridiculously high mortality rate and evolutionary pressure put on them which ensures only the strongest of males ever sire cubs.