Did Lions evolve sociality in order to compete with Spotted Hyenas? I mean, just look a this video.

Did Lions evolve sociality in order to compete with Spotted Hyenas?
I mean, just look a this video.

I can't think of another reason why big predators like lions would live in large groups.
How else are you supposed to compete with Hyenas that live in clans with up to 100 members?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did lions evolved homosexuality to fight hyenas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, creating bonds to form prides definitely helped to fight off clans of hyenas early in african lion evolution

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lioness right there
      >still be homosexuals
      lionbros… this is kinda embarrassing…

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >right in front of my salad

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tig
    >bigger brain
    >not social
    r they le moronic

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What if cats in general lost sociality and lions retained it?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Lions are homosexual
    >hyenas are futas
    both could go extinct for all care

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *all I care
      sorry

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's that, and they also had to deal with competition from the likes of Homotherium, Dinofelis, and Megantereon (all large saberteeth that could easily put pressure on lone lions similar to yeens).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      also these

      It's theorized that lions evolved sociality to better compete with other lions, but I agree that hyenas would've also been another reason. Lions at their current size would need to bring down big prey (even as a solo cat) that hyenas would want to steal and lions would eventually either go extinct or become smaller in response.
      Lions and hyenas are so weird because they occupy the same niche and are in constant conflict, whereas Siberian tigers suppress grey wolf numbers to the point of localized extinction. I've always wondered in the absence of human interference how the lion-hyena dynamic would eventually go. Would lions or hyenas eventually win out and force the other extinct? Imo lions would force spotted hyenas into a more scavenger-specific niche.

      Megafauna as a prey species and competitors. We’ve all seen them take on elephants, hippos, and Cape buffalo. Sociality comes with its drawbacks. Like needing a frick ton of food to sustain the group but it also drastically lengthens the list of what can be considered food. This has multiple benefits. Individual lions can survive eating Impala and warthogs if the larger food sources disappear. If a mega cat that solely preyed upon hippos, rhinos, giraffes, and elephants suddenly found itself without those species to eat it would starve. Smaller predators do just fine eating smaller prey but also quite often become prey themselves. As it stands a pride of 200-400lbs cats working together are pretty much the most dangerous land carnivores scientifically feasible.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's that, and they also had to deal with competition from the likes of Homotherium

      Weird how Homotherium went extinct.

      A social, lion-sized, cursorial, sabre-toothed cat should have dominated lions and driven them to extinction.

      IMO, Homotherium is the superior big cat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why did they go extinct?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Longer gestation periods, less megafauna to prey on, from my understanding their prides were much smaller, and the Sabre tooth model just wasn’t that good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            These aren't Smilodon. They were way different in build and split off from them some 24 mya.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Sabre tooth model just wasn’t that good.
            Disagree, the sabertooth model worked for millions of years and imo it's the one thing that the pantherines lack; an efficient way to quickly kill large prey.
            That, and higher visual acuity.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Long canines are no longer necessary. Lions have reached the next level.
              It's now about living in large groups and overwhelming prey with numbers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The longer canines of tigers allow them to take larger prey solo, when you think about it the fact that tigers can engage in macropredation as a solo hunter and be the apex predator is extremely impressive.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Saber teeth will evolve again in some leopard or other.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Leopards eat beetles, baboons, gazelle, birds, warthog etc...
                They are perfect. Saberteeth would limit the type of foods they would eat.
                I don't think they need them.

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      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >should have dominated lions
        what makes you say that

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Males and females were as heavy as male lions on average, and were equipted with more fearsome teeth that would have enabled them to regularly hunt larger prey like rhinos, elephants/deinotheres, and even shit like hippos.
          Capthca: NAYWSX

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Megafauna as a prey species and competitors. We’ve all seen them take on elephants, hippos, and Cape buffalo. Sociality comes with its drawbacks. Like needing a frick ton of food to sustain the group but it also drastically lengthens the list of what can be considered food. This has multiple benefits. Individual lions can survive eating Impala and warthogs if the larger food sources disappear. If a mega cat that solely preyed upon hippos, rhinos, giraffes, and elephants suddenly found itself without those species to eat it would starve. Smaller predators do just fine eating smaller prey but also quite often become prey themselves. As it stands a pride of 200-400lbs cats working together are pretty much the most dangerous land carnivores scientifically feasible.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much

      The longer canines of tigers allow them to take larger prey solo, when you think about it the fact that tigers can engage in macropredation as a solo hunter and be the apex predator is extremely impressive.

      Correct. Tigers are overall more impressive. If they developed pack behavior they’d have next to no challenges in the wild.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Tigers get bullied by lions on a regular basis. There's nothingimpressive about them beyond their coat pattern.They are very timid, cowardly predators.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Tigers get bullied by lions on a regular basis.
          Uhhh, where? Tigers have been known to hunt elephants in Asia when they need to, they’re anything but cowardly

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's well observed. Also, Tigers hunt elephant calves

            ?si=vvlbTO61XNYcC-De&t=20

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Tigers kill both subadult elephants and calfs, and there are recorded instances of them killing and seriously injuring grown adults too, as well as greater one horned rhinos, so they’re still plenty impressive.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                true

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Tigers kill both subadult elephants and calfs, and there are recorded instances of them killing and seriously injuring grown adults too, as well as greater one horned rhinos, so they’re still plenty impressive.

              What can an elephant actually do though? If you hug its hind legs it can't reach you with its truck, and its too sluggish to get away while you repeatedly pommel it from behind. If you stand to the side of its hind legs then it won't even be able to hit you with a back kick. If it raises its leg to perform a stomp then all you have to do is back off until it finishes its slam, then move back in to continue punching.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/QWh4Ucb.jpg

          It's well observed. Also, Tigers hunt elephant calves

          ?si=vvlbTO61XNYcC-De&t=20

          >carnivoragay is back
          You already got BTFOd in the last lion vs tiger thread

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >nothing impressive about a 600 lbs top predator
            [...]
            The only thing well observed is that you morons attach your ego to your favourite cat and have a meltdown when somebody posts something about it being beaten in a fight

            nobody said it wasn't moron. Frick off with your console wars

            >NOOO muh tigerino is invincible!
            Calm down

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thank you for proving my point

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sure lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're proving it further

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                proving what?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you morons attach your ego to your favourite cat and have a meltdown when somebody posts something about it being beaten in a fight

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So you've made it your job to police Wauf for their animal preferences aha

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No but I am calling you a gay

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wow good one

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >for their animal preferences
                I don’t think you realise this isn’t Carnivora forum. Nobody here cares that much about which would win in a fight, but you have an obsession. You see any mention of tigers and immediately think people are saying the lion isn’t impressive or whatever, that’s mental illness

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody here cares that much about which would win in a fight...
                You definitely seem to care a lot. One little video and you've spazzed out. Holy shit lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >One little video and you've spazzed out
                Haven’t watched it, don’t intend to. This is no different to the last thread

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Keeps track of every thread about his pet-peeve
                Get help

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being able to remember a thread from not all that long ago is bad
                Are you moronic? I guarantee you remember the thread as well

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I guarantee you are delusional

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure sure. Now back to Carnivora with you, consolegay

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Carnivora! Carnivora!
                You’re obsessed lmao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not denying it
                Truly depressing. In case you hadn’t noticed, you’re identical to the people who pretend tigers will win any fight with a lion

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly have no clue all the baggage you’re bringing into this thread, like Carnivora, other threads, etc. You’ve built a whole fiction in your head. Who cares if people argue about animals lol.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You’ve built a whole fiction in your head
                I’m not the one with fantasies about his favourite animal being infallible and beating up the other almost identical animal 10/10 times

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Now he's making up random shit.
                Meanwhile, you've constructed a whole carnivora conspiracy in your head, as evidenced above. You're a loon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whether or not you came from there is irrelevant, you’d fit right in and that’s where you should go

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >nothing impressive about a 600 lbs top predator

          https://i.imgur.com/QWh4Ucb.jpg

          It's well observed. Also, Tigers hunt elephant calves

          ?si=vvlbTO61XNYcC-De&t=20

          The only thing well observed is that you morons attach your ego to your favourite cat and have a meltdown when somebody posts something about it being beaten in a fight

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >20+ of the same 400 lbs top predator living together in prides isn't impressive either

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              nobody said it wasn't moron. Frick off with your console wars

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's theorized that lions evolved sociality to better compete with other lions, but I agree that hyenas would've also been another reason. Lions at their current size would need to bring down big prey (even as a solo cat) that hyenas would want to steal and lions would eventually either go extinct or become smaller in response.
    Lions and hyenas are so weird because they occupy the same niche and are in constant conflict, whereas Siberian tigers suppress grey wolf numbers to the point of localized extinction. I've always wondered in the absence of human interference how the lion-hyena dynamic would eventually go. Would lions or hyenas eventually win out and force the other extinct? Imo lions would force spotted hyenas into a more scavenger-specific niche.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lion prides can grow to huge coalitions that rule basically their own countries while only being broken down by other male lions or food scarcity so I think the Lions would eventually cement the Hyenas second fiddle position.
      Male Lions also have a ridiculously high mortality rate and evolutionary pressure put on them which ensures only the strongest of males ever sire cubs.

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