Older than dinosaurs, just like sharks, they are the pinacle of evolution.
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Crocodiles and why they are the best
Older than dinosaurs, just like sharks, they are the pinacle of evolution.
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How do you do my fellow crocodilians.
>t. Snout girthlet
These crocs got extinct pretty recently and they all met hominids.
We are the direct reason why the Mekosuchinae all went extinct.
>Oldur den dinosaurs!1!1!
All modern Crocs evolved around the mid-late creataceous, end this moronic paleomeme.
>B-buh sarcosu-!
Not a true crocodile. Common ancestry? Sure, but not a croc.
fricking moron, crocodilians became a thing before dinosaurs roamed the earth, of course modern crocodiles aren't from 300 million years ago
If you count the otters catching up by ganging on a small gator sure thing guy
>Older than dinosaurs,
what is with this meme? Modern crocodilians evolved in the mesozoic just like dinosaurs did.
Specifically, they evolved in the late Cretaceous, less than 100 million years ago, while dinosaurs evolved in the Triassic, nearly 250 million years ago.
Pseudosuchians are maybe slightly older than dinosaurs, but only barely and had little resemblance to modern crocodiles, most of the early ones being warm-blooded land predators with an upright (some of them bipedal) stance.
Crocodillians got wrecked my mammals on the land, they are clinging on to the one niche they have left; semi-aquatic ambush predator.
And even then otters are starting to catch up.
Alligator Snapping Turtles dominate that sphere
Incorrect, they dominated the land predator niches until the ice age pushed them back into the water.
Literally the only edge that mammals have over archosaurs is a superior tolerance for the cold.
no, crocodilians had some land variants after the dinosaur extinction but quickly got overwhelmed by mammals, crocs are just not meant for fully land lifestyle, they're too slow.
mammals however are fast, but weak, still fast tho, so catching prey was easier
Incorrect again, sebecids and other reptiles like it are fast and capable of galloping. Some even had hooves. They were all extremely proficient at being on land and it was purely due to the cooling of the climate that they were phased out. Mammals took niches left vacant for them, they did not evolve to fill the same large predator niches that sebecids already occupied, only to outcompete them. Evolution doesn't work like that, if a niche is filled nothing else is going magically evolve to fill that niche, like fitting multiple pegs into the same hole. The reason you got big cats, canids and bears is because of the ice age - until that point, sebecids dominated the large predator niches in many biomes for many many millions of years following the K-Pg extinction event. We have very large crocodilians, be it sebecosuchians or mekosuchians, dominating the large predator niches in the cenozoic in South America, Europe, Australia and Asia. Keep in mind, these are clades of crocodilomorphs who largely evolved AFTER the K-Pg extinction, thus after the death of the dinosaurs and directly competing with mammals - and winning.
This "mammal supremacy" theory is outdated paleontology that stems from biased and oversimplified notions dating back to the 1800s, where evolution was mostly misunderstood as being an arms race and the obvious conclusion was that "because there's a great degree of mammal biodiversity that must mean they're the superior lifeform" - where we know now that other factors like climate play a huge role and nature's not just a huge combat arena where only the best species survive.
that's really interesting, i didn't know that, do you have more details as to when these things happen?
Please post pics of the hooved ones. Sounds pretty interesting.
its called boverisuchus, its not really like the hooves on a horse, its more like the hooves on a pig
Pretty cool, it had the potential to become similar to horse hooves. Now I would like to see speculative evolution of it going that route.
OP here, shut your ass up, i could say the same about mammals in rivers/swamps.
only exception being the hippo, but that fatass is an herbivore so lol lmao.
Also, i'd like to see a mammal going 6 months without eating.
>semi aquatic ambush predator
true, but mostly fully aquatic fish eating, and calling that a niche is moronic considering the whole world is covered in rivers, that's like saying felines occupy a niche for being ambush land predators
moron, otters get fricked by big gators, they gang up on small ones, that's it, you're dellusional.
well obviously, but the crocodilians are still older than the dinosaurs.
average crocodile vs mammal interaction
>they are clinging on to the one niche they have left
>clinging on
They’ve had that niche on lockdown for how many tens of millions of years
They are successful in only 1 niche out of the many they once dominated, I'd say that constitues clinging on.
That has always been their main niche and they’re not going to lose it to anything else, that’s hardly clinging on
Crocodilian cope, their diversity now is lower than it has been for hundreds of millions of years
still dominating every single place they live in, what's your point?
oh no
Fatbros...
thats one huge crocodile
Literally me
i love crocs so much bros
https://youtube.com/shorts/jPVrzY63N5U?feature=share
(I hate youtube shorts format)
false gharial thoughts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH6u2VbgM8
is this a crocodile or alligator? the snout leads me to believe croc but at the angle I really can't tell
Croc. Clearly v-shaped jaws with both teeth rows visible.
What species is this? Definitely crocodile.
https://youtube.com/shorts/HbD6gbRDa9g?feature=share
I think its an American crocodile, but Im not really sure as I dont really see any scale patterns and im not sure when the American crocodiles lose their juvenile coloration.
It's a morelets crocodile
My cat has autism (but still loves buttscratches).
The crocodile fish is better
sir, thats an alligator
It's funny that the American alligator and the Nile crocodile, being large animals, are quite tolerant of other croc species. Whereas Osteolaemus and Paleosuchus, being little shit, are really vile and naughty buttholes.
Nile crocs and American gators are bros.
They both come from the two most ruthless places on earth. An active lawless warzone surrounded by death and violence, and the Middle East.
Egypt is neither of those
Do you think they know they're not the same type of critter?
of course
How tho? They ain't got no mirrors.
they can't and don't interbreed for one
I would get these two if I lived in a warmer climate.
Although, if I ever get a crocodile, it will be an american alligator, because of its "gentle" nature (compared to other crocs).
why are alligators so chill compared to other crocodilians? I mean obviously they are not puppy dogs but crocodiles are really aggressive and caiman seem to be possessed by some sort of demon.
Nile crocs can also be pretty comfy.
because they live next to hippos, the most violent creature in africa
Remind me, what kind of hippos are found in Cuba?
thats what i was going to say, the niles have an excuse for how competitive African wildlife is, but the cuban crocodile and Australian saltwater crocodile, and even the American crocodile get really aggressive and territorial.
land space is a premium in island chains
The Nile crocodile is quite calm by crocodile standards. It is just big and adapted to hunt large prey. That's all. Some black caiman is much more aggressive, although it does not have as many large animals in its area. And the living embodiment of Satan - the Cuban is generally the absolute king in its biotope.
>hippos, the most violent creature in africa
I don't believe you've taken ALL of the data into consideration
well, can you give us an animal more dangerous and aggressive than hippos?
Yes, it walks on 2 legs
haha so true! ostrishes are very dangerous and agressive
Bull African bush elephant in musth.
>caiman seem to be possessed by some sort of demon.
Caimans are dicks?
from all the videos ive seen, caimans just seem excessively aggressive compared to alligators and crocodiles if i had to guess its because of their size as they are small enough that some predators could view them as a prey item
I wonder how Gharials are? They're fish eaters so I wouldn't think they'd be too aggressive, still try to bite you, but probably flee as a first option.
Out of all the crocodilians, I'd imagine it'd have the least painful bite
yeah it doesnt look like it has much muscle behind those jaws compared to the other crocodilians
>I mean obviously they are not puppy dog
some floridians literally call them swamp puppies because of how friendly they are. You can generally pet wild ones, even.
pretty boi
nice crocussy
That's a boy btw, you can usually tell because female slits don't tend to push outward like that. Also, they don't get anywhere near as big as guys.
Even better
Does that stupid b***h want to die?
>Older than dinosaurs
Excuse me what
They evolved from the same creatures.
And they evolved first
We don't know that.
yes we do
Prove it. Prove it to me right now.
Common crocodile L
>mammals birds and fish are winners based on diversity
Beetles and wasps are fricking cackling right now
laughs in crabs
>Mammalian declares that mammals are the best, gives best mammal award to mammals
the crocodilians are of course, free to publish their own studies and hand out their own rewards
Straight up incorrect, there are more species of lizards and snakes alone than mammals or birds
burgers?
>if your enemies kill you, you win
how is this stuff all not blindingly obvious by this point?
you must be a tiger or lion fanboy
or even worse, jaguar fanboy
>pic related, stfu
>tiger was choking on a lizard when it got jumped and ripped in half
fricking brutal
Why evolve if current state just works?
squamata alone has almost twice the species than all of mammalia. Who writes these articles?
It doesn’t take much to be a journalist. They are so dumb that a bunch were replaced by AIs and most people didn’t even notice.
>devolved
>pinacle of evolution
nah they ain't it, f.am
>squamata
the runts of the animal kingdom
my mom used to say: shut your fricking mouth if you have nothing to say.
you have literally said nothing of value, not an inch of information, not a gram of facts.
come back with more than insults
modern crocs... LOST. they aren't even warm blooded anymore. imagine having a 4 chamber heart AND being cold blooded. Christ Almighty. even Giant Caimans are more are more upright than todays Crocs. well at least they aren't sprawling squamates tho
sooon
>panthera
>5 extant species
>crocodylus
>13 extant species
uhhhh mammalbros?
>25 million years
>only 13 extant species
OH MY DAYS
Fun fact, though. Crocodiles are evolving at a fast rate because of us.
>the runts of the animal kingdom
Remove them from the ecosystems tell me if they are
Dudes like this one got through the meteor and still went extinct once mammals started to take over and the planet got colder.
synapsidCHADS had the last laugh, archosauria on the ropes
>mammal slightly bruises ankle
>fricking dies
>croc has limbs torn off while submerged in nuclear AIDS sewage
>lol (lmao)
>Looks up who's behind this research
>They're all mammals
Another synapsid psyop
funny coming from a human.
>needing to evolve and diversify to survive
How many mass extinctions has the species that published that article survived?
Way too shrink wrapped. Please make it look like a real animal next time
moron, why would i fake a crocodile picture
I want one.
>dat pic
Where are the feathers and lips?
How come Caimans got the short end of the stick? I keep seeing that video of the one that gets instantly killed by a Jaguar, and then yt recommends me videos of them getting killed by Anacondas and Giant Otters.
South America has incredible crocodilian diversity, including several small species, and multiple large predators that are good swimmers. So it's natural that the little guys would be food for other things.
>evolve in Asia to hunt megafauna
>migrate to Australia during the Pleistocene
>Australian megafauna goes extinct
>other croc species like Paludirex die out due to a lack of large prey
>spend the next 50,000 years obliterating animals the size of a human and smaller with an excessively strong bite
>Europeans arrive and reintroduce megafauna
Salties won the evolutionary lottery
Isn't that one philippino? They don't even have any megafauna
It’s the only saltwater croc pic I had saved
The plan to turn Australia into India is working out well.
Here's hoping the 20-footers in India gets to live their life without pesky humans bothering them