The crabs are now in control. Their claws have some kind of poison in them now. My hand is swollen up from the snabs. I'm hiding in a bathroom, but the scouts are getting close!
The crabs are on the move. I've managed to capture a secure a few, but they seem to travel in packs and their snibbity snabs are extremely painful. I think they've been sharpening their claws or something.
as someone that's bad at Wauf what's the point of boiling crabs and lobsters alive versus killing them right before? I've heard that their meat starts to decompose quickly but it feels like that shouldn't be an issue if you stab them just before.
I also cook whole crabs. I like to remove the back carapace and rinse out all the gills, organs, and fat before boiling/steaming. It's a lot more pleasant to crack, pick, and eat that way.
Fresher is always better. If there were a way to butcher cows painlessly while they were still alive and unaware it would be the best steak you'd have in your life. People are going to abandon live animal farms in droves once synthetic meat becomes available to the masses.
You know the first VCR cost something like $30,000 in today's money?
10 months ago
Anonymous
and the first computer takes up an entire room whats your point. biology is not technology, its much harder to emulate the amount of bodily functions that is required to grow cells, which the video goes into
10 months ago
Anonymous
>biology is not technology
The problems with synthesized meat is entirely ones of tech.
10 months ago
Anonymous
its really not, its really biological limitations, its not really possible to build a machine to emulate each physical process of growing and keeping cells alive
>synthetic meat is a scam, like solar or wind
Thank you for saying that, now I know that you're moronic and whatever video you're linking is also moronic.
except it is, the solar and wind are the most inefficient energy sources you can use because of how they work. solar can only theoretically turn like 30% of the photons into energy, wind has so many different issues. all the science of their energy output is purported to margins of running at max efficiency which isnt possible, because solar panel technology is currently capped out at ~20% conversion and its max efficiency peaks at midday when the sun brightest for about an hour; wind does not want to run at high winds, because despite generating more power, it physically destroys it, having it be replaced earlier than its purposed 20 year lifespan, which many of the parts arent recyclable either. this is assuming that you have the electrical grid that can actually store the energy, because thats the other problem with solar and wind, the energy needs to be used right away because the nature of batteries is they lose charge over time, preventing you some storing it large amounts when necessary; solid fuels like petrol or coal, even nuclear in some ways, are better for this because theyre their own battery, you just burn then when needed, because all we are doing boiling water. then you have to get into cost, which wind turbines require plastic, which is ironic, and solar requires heavy metals, which is incredibility dirty for the environment, and both of which go into landfills after 15-20 years.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Dont need to. They dont do that now and create very nice meat, as per everyone that has tried it.
The problem is the tech is expensive, not that it isnt possible.
10 months ago
Anonymous
expense isnt really a problem when you have hype.
the science behind biology is the problem, youd have to grow large amounts in small batches, because of surface area and contamination, thats why its really easy to propagate cells small scale, but scaling it up is a physical problem that biology has spent a billion years developing, blood does all the heavy lifting of bring air and food and taking crap out, youd have to build a nanites to be that efficient, but if we have nanites, how is food production a problem
10 months ago
Anonymous
>expense isnt really a problem when you have hype.
Right, and that's where we were a few years ago.
Now in order for it to be an actual commodity, it has to scale.
More tech issues.
10 months ago
Anonymous
except we have the technology, the process of growing cells is the problem
10 months ago
Anonymous
We do not have the tech to do it cheaply and at scale.
Exactly the same as the VHS analogy I gave waaaay back at the beginning.
The biology is not the problem. That has been solved. We can make the meat.
10 months ago
Anonymous
except biology is the problem, the nature of how cells grow is whats holding it back, if it was technological problem then scaling wouldnt be an issue, because its really simple to scale technology, but biology is a little more complicated than that
10 months ago
Anonymous
Of course scaling is an issue when there are technical problems. Again - see literally all of technology that was exorbitantly expensive until it scaled down.
The biology part is solved. It's just a tech issue with getting it to scale.
>synthetic meat is a scam, like solar or wind
Thank you for saying that, now I know that you're moronic and whatever video you're linking is also moronic.
It's just animal welfare bullshit. morons get their panties in a twist if the lobster dies in 4 seconds from being boiled alive versus 2 seconds from having a knife wedged into its not-brain.
It is mostly about animal welfare and as someone who likes crustaceans as pets and take all the care to give them a good life I don't really think they can feel pain like humans do. In the common language pain is used for all sort of things including technical pain and nociception. There is a lot to explain and I have other things to do so better look it up yourself. To put it in short, humans have both, pain and nociception. Nociception is the sensory nervous system's process of encoding noxious stimuli. Pain is the negative emotion often associated with nociception but can happen without it and also not happen despite it. They are different and separated processes and involve different brain structures. Emotional pain like the feeling when you get rejected or a loved one dies also is pain, it involves the same structures and some drugs that act on physical pain also affect emotional pain. When you hear stories about people who survived a shark attack and they mention they didn't feel pain, they still experienced nociception. Their body detected the noxious stimuli their brain received and processed the signal and issued a response like always, the emotion pain on the other hand was absent, it was not the time to cry about it, they needed to act or die. Personally I have a similar experience (but much smaller) with a piranha bite, I perceived the bite, reacted to it but I wasn't in pain. On the other hand pain without nociception can happen as well like in fibromyalgia, phantom pain, and other conditions. Pain as we humans perceive it requires a brain capable of processing emotions, Invertebrates have a radically different nervous system to the point that I doubt even the smart cephalopods are capable of feeling pain as we do. Their brain is actually multiple smaller brains capable of taking actions and make decisions even when separated from the others, most of their neurons are in the tentacles.
Back to crabs, there is no way they could experience pain like we do. They can be stressed by constant perceived danger and that can lead to long term behavior changes but that is not pain. Maybe cephalopods could have evolved emotions due to convergent evolution but all I read about them so far is that they are more on the cold logic side of things. Another difference between humans and invertebrates is that we have a very fast circulatory system. When we perceive danger adrenaline is released in the blood stream and quickly taken to the entire body generating a response all the way from muscles to the brain. Invertebrates in general have a open circulatory system with slow low pressure blood flow. This doesn't serve to send hormonal signals quickly like we do. They are capable of producing adrenaline but its role is different from what we use it so I don't think they experience an adrenaline rush like we do either.
Fresher is always better. If there were a way to butcher cows painlessly while they were still alive and unaware it would be the best steak you'd have in your life. People are going to abandon live animal farms in droves once synthetic meat becomes available to the masses.
The crabs are now in control. Their claws have some kind of poison in them now. My hand is swollen up from the snabs. I'm hiding in a bathroom, but the scouts are getting close!
The crabs are on the move. I've managed to capture a secure a few, but they seem to travel in packs and their snibbity snabs are extremely painful. I think they've been sharpening their claws or something.
The weak should fear the snab.
as someone that's bad at Wauf what's the point of boiling crabs and lobsters alive versus killing them right before? I've heard that their meat starts to decompose quickly but it feels like that shouldn't be an issue if you stab them just before.
I also cook whole crabs. I like to remove the back carapace and rinse out all the gills, organs, and fat before boiling/steaming. It's a lot more pleasant to crack, pick, and eat that way.
Those are the good parts.
Fresher is always better. If there were a way to butcher cows painlessly while they were still alive and unaware it would be the best steak you'd have in your life. People are going to abandon live animal farms in droves once synthetic meat becomes available to the masses.
>synthetic meat becomes available to the masses
synthetic meat is a scam, like solar or wind
You know the first VCR cost something like $30,000 in today's money?
and the first computer takes up an entire room whats your point. biology is not technology, its much harder to emulate the amount of bodily functions that is required to grow cells, which the video goes into
>biology is not technology
The problems with synthesized meat is entirely ones of tech.
its really not, its really biological limitations, its not really possible to build a machine to emulate each physical process of growing and keeping cells alive
except it is, the solar and wind are the most inefficient energy sources you can use because of how they work. solar can only theoretically turn like 30% of the photons into energy, wind has so many different issues. all the science of their energy output is purported to margins of running at max efficiency which isnt possible, because solar panel technology is currently capped out at ~20% conversion and its max efficiency peaks at midday when the sun brightest for about an hour; wind does not want to run at high winds, because despite generating more power, it physically destroys it, having it be replaced earlier than its purposed 20 year lifespan, which many of the parts arent recyclable either. this is assuming that you have the electrical grid that can actually store the energy, because thats the other problem with solar and wind, the energy needs to be used right away because the nature of batteries is they lose charge over time, preventing you some storing it large amounts when necessary; solid fuels like petrol or coal, even nuclear in some ways, are better for this because theyre their own battery, you just burn then when needed, because all we are doing boiling water. then you have to get into cost, which wind turbines require plastic, which is ironic, and solar requires heavy metals, which is incredibility dirty for the environment, and both of which go into landfills after 15-20 years.
Dont need to. They dont do that now and create very nice meat, as per everyone that has tried it.
The problem is the tech is expensive, not that it isnt possible.
expense isnt really a problem when you have hype.
the science behind biology is the problem, youd have to grow large amounts in small batches, because of surface area and contamination, thats why its really easy to propagate cells small scale, but scaling it up is a physical problem that biology has spent a billion years developing, blood does all the heavy lifting of bring air and food and taking crap out, youd have to build a nanites to be that efficient, but if we have nanites, how is food production a problem
>expense isnt really a problem when you have hype.
Right, and that's where we were a few years ago.
Now in order for it to be an actual commodity, it has to scale.
More tech issues.
except we have the technology, the process of growing cells is the problem
We do not have the tech to do it cheaply and at scale.
Exactly the same as the VHS analogy I gave waaaay back at the beginning.
The biology is not the problem. That has been solved. We can make the meat.
except biology is the problem, the nature of how cells grow is whats holding it back, if it was technological problem then scaling wouldnt be an issue, because its really simple to scale technology, but biology is a little more complicated than that
Of course scaling is an issue when there are technical problems. Again - see literally all of technology that was exorbitantly expensive until it scaled down.
The biology part is solved. It's just a tech issue with getting it to scale.
>synthetic meat is a scam, like solar or wind
Thank you for saying that, now I know that you're moronic and whatever video you're linking is also moronic.
It's just animal welfare bullshit. morons get their panties in a twist if the lobster dies in 4 seconds from being boiled alive versus 2 seconds from having a knife wedged into its not-brain.
You seem very familiar with not having a brain
It is mostly about animal welfare and as someone who likes crustaceans as pets and take all the care to give them a good life I don't really think they can feel pain like humans do. In the common language pain is used for all sort of things including technical pain and nociception. There is a lot to explain and I have other things to do so better look it up yourself. To put it in short, humans have both, pain and nociception. Nociception is the sensory nervous system's process of encoding noxious stimuli. Pain is the negative emotion often associated with nociception but can happen without it and also not happen despite it. They are different and separated processes and involve different brain structures. Emotional pain like the feeling when you get rejected or a loved one dies also is pain, it involves the same structures and some drugs that act on physical pain also affect emotional pain. When you hear stories about people who survived a shark attack and they mention they didn't feel pain, they still experienced nociception. Their body detected the noxious stimuli their brain received and processed the signal and issued a response like always, the emotion pain on the other hand was absent, it was not the time to cry about it, they needed to act or die. Personally I have a similar experience (but much smaller) with a piranha bite, I perceived the bite, reacted to it but I wasn't in pain. On the other hand pain without nociception can happen as well like in fibromyalgia, phantom pain, and other conditions. Pain as we humans perceive it requires a brain capable of processing emotions, Invertebrates have a radically different nervous system to the point that I doubt even the smart cephalopods are capable of feeling pain as we do. Their brain is actually multiple smaller brains capable of taking actions and make decisions even when separated from the others, most of their neurons are in the tentacles.
Back to crabs, there is no way they could experience pain like we do. They can be stressed by constant perceived danger and that can lead to long term behavior changes but that is not pain. Maybe cephalopods could have evolved emotions due to convergent evolution but all I read about them so far is that they are more on the cold logic side of things. Another difference between humans and invertebrates is that we have a very fast circulatory system. When we perceive danger adrenaline is released in the blood stream and quickly taken to the entire body generating a response all the way from muscles to the brain. Invertebrates in general have a open circulatory system with slow low pressure blood flow. This doesn't serve to send hormonal signals quickly like we do. They are capable of producing adrenaline but its role is different from what we use it so I don't think they experience an adrenaline rush like we do either.
20 words or less homosexual
why are boomers like this
bullet to the brain while they're asleep
>Sprinkling in a little bit of spice at each application of cröb
Why?
Why does he look so dedicated and hyper-focused on this thing?
>noooo your tank is way too small, they will suffer!!!
What a great thread, this is going to get me a lot of upvotes on /r/Wauf! Thanks OP!
There in the walls! I can hear them clicking
There's no sign of the decapods from tank 2. My hvac duct work is in the floor. They must have gotten in there. That's like 40 crabs!
wo ai chickens Hawkie in his hat
Just checked Tank 2. They got loose!
I wonder what wacky thing you'll post next? I bet it'll be funny!
OH N-
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All crabs look very similar. Be sure your crab is clearly marked.
Haha yeah