The massive Agriotherium Africanum is the only bear ever found in Sub-Saharan Africa.
Why did bears struggle to gain a foothold in Africa?
It can't be the climate because Sun, Sloth, and Spectacled Bears all live tropical environments.
Also, it can't because of humans because these bears went extinct 2.5 million years ago.
>muh cats
How do gentle little American black bears survive alongside gigantic murderous American mountain lions?
bears that live in hot places are small and weak
they probably got out competed by big cats and wild dogs
bears in cold places are huge and can just kill anything so they dont have that problem. i dont think a large bear could survive somewhere hot.
North American forests can get pretty damn hot dude
>bears that live in hot places are small and weak
Agriotherium Africanum was massive.
I'm pretty sure they like to be called "Gayrillas"
>Earliest Lion fossils found in Tanzania
>Around 2 million years ago
>African bear goes extinct around the same time
Hmm.... Could it be....
Nah I'm sure it's all just a coincidence.
>lions automatically outcompete bears
Funny because Atlas bears and Barbary lions happily shared a range in Northern Africa before humans came and hunted both of them to extinction.
Lion prides in sub-Saharan Africa are a lot bigger than the ones in North Arica.
Atlas Bears would not survive a day in the Serengeti.
it did manage to get to Africa and establish a population there so it's weird to say that it wasn't adapted to Africa. It also coexisted withe sabretooths and wasn't a predator, so competition with lions or hyenas shouldn't be an issue.
Maybe it just couldn't adapt to the group strategies necessary in Africa. Very few animals can afford not to form packs or similar
Because bears got mogged by the large cats of the area. You'll notice there's no bears within modern day tiger territories either.
Bears have burst, strength, size, weight and a fairly wide scope of self defense, and quite frankly in a 1v1 fight win vs anything on land that isn't an elephant. but what they lack is stamina. Even when bears fight other bears it never lasts longer than 5 minutes, and documentation on the migration of bears shows those fat fricks constantly have to rest.
Large cats, much like humans, have a tremendous advantage over everything else just by being able to remain active for long periods of time. This means while those fat fricks are sleeping, all their prey is being eaten by more efficient predators. This is also why "beardogs" got absolutely mogged by ancient large cat lineages and scavenging dog packs were the only ones to survive in the domain of felines.
>there's no bears within modern day tiger territories either.
lmao moron
Catgays like him will talk about tigers hunting bears all the time in one breath (they only do that with subadults and sows) whilst simultaneously claiming that big cats btfo of bears to the point where they can't cohabitate in the same range. This is why nobody likes catgays, I mean good lord how stupid can you be?
Are you two coping or pretending to be moronic?
There's exactly two regions bears are in proximity to tigers and in both of these humans driving predators out led to bears crossing over. One is south of Russia and the other is northern india.
There were zero large bear populations west or north of the sun bears that have evolved to become glorified sloths in their island region.
>doubling down
im laughing out loud
>posts a map outlaying exactly what I said
Notice how the black bears non extinct territory are coincidentally much farther north of the tigers territory? way to make yourself look even more moronic
anon... did you forget about cave lions?
Fanboyism and console wars over animals are even more pathetic than usual
You honestly think that was because of tigers? Lmfao, you're so stupid man holy shit, humans restrict the tigers range to basically nothing and since that nothing range barely intersects with bears it means that tigers and bears "like basically never coexist brah"
not only can you not read a map, but you're also forgetting that tigers and brown bears share the same habitat in middle and east asia, and while black bears are small, brown bears will frick a tiger up
>brown bear map above
I'm don't hold any stead in this argument, but I'm just gonna pop in to say that black bears can actually fight tigers https://youtu.be/ysNa_YQFwiM?si=La0CrJWuBtkfLF-u and that even sloth bears have been known to scare off tigers https://youtu.be/0ggJ627z4jU?si=wUtTvxItJzIy3PuZ
i know that, but tigers are still stronger than black bears, they just don't want to bother with them too much
Brown bears however...
>map, but you're also forgetting that tigers and brown bears share the same habitat in middle and east asia
You're actually wrong here though, bears only migrated into the middle east 1500 years ago. Humans did in fact push the majority of allocated territories away from eachother. Otherwise a tiger WOULD out compete a bear with scarce amounts prey available, we've seen as much in India with bears only existing on the northern border and tigers breaking into homes kidnapping children for meals.
>Otherwise a tiger WOULD out compete a bear with scarce amounts prey available
Why would a tiger outcompete a primarily herbivorous animal?
Brown bears, asiatic black bears, sun bears and sloth bears have all coexisted with tigers, leopards and asiatic lions since the early pleistocene
what about pandas
>bears only migrated into the middle east 1500 years ago
But in your Hebrew bible/"old testament", the bulk of which was written maybe 2300-2400 years ago you have your god sending bears to slaughter 42 children for laughing at your prophet Elisha for being bald (2 Kings 2:23-25).
Who's wrong? God or the bears?
the abominable snowman is just another bear walking on its hind legs.
lurk moar namegay
Really underplaying that overlap huh catgay? Frick up and go to hell you pissant.
>and quite frankly in a 1v1 fight win vs anything on land that isn't an elephant.
I’d say there’s a few animals that could beat them. They’re tough but not that tough
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It's funny how confidently incorrect you are.
I would assume that the presence of other formidable well established predators forced them out of the competition eventually
Like what big cats and dogs? Those were everywhere
Humans weren't a thing 2.5 million years ago.
ESL anon I...
The atlas bear resided in Northern Africa before humans destroyed their habitat and persecuted them for threatening agriculture and livestock. The Romans put a lot of extra pressure on them with coliseum shenanigans.
bro ur literally esl if you think
is esl you fricking third-world rapefugee
You’re moronic