Alternative to the "Out of Africa" Theory of Hominid Evolution

So I enjoy discussing hominid evolution with people because it's something I think about quite a lot and it fascinates me that people were once wild animals. Whenever I try discussing things with my brother, however, he continually mentions that the "Out of Africa" theory has long been debunked by anthropologists. However, when I ask him to link me an article or research to read, he just tells me to google it and it's everywhere, but I can't find anything that actually suggests the "Out of Africa" theory is bogus. My understanding of human evolution is
>hominids evolve in a specific region in Africa
>eventually, common ancestor of homo sapiens and Neanderthals/Denisovans migrates out of Africa and into Eurasia, with some remaining in Africa
>homo sapiens evolves in Africa and replaces previous hominid populations
>homo sapiens migrates out of Africa, where some breed with Neanderthal populations already existing in Eurasia
This still makes a lot of sense to me, but I don't want to continue to believe some outdated theory if there is proof it is untrue. My brother insists that the existence of primates in every part of the world means that hominids did not evolve in Africa, but this sounds retarded to me. Any anons know what research/article he is referencing or what alternative theories exist?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there isnt irrefutable physical evidence either way, so I choose to believe it to own le racists epic style

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >believing in any of this evolution bullshit
    ishygddt

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Simple truth is your brother is wrong. And your understanding is correct. There are primates in most parts of the world, yes. But we are a type of ape, specificly a african ape like gorilas and chimps. Both anatomicly and genticly.

    It may be possible that in our early evolution (after we split chimpanzes and before our genus homo erose) took place in southern europe and west asia. But the evidence for that idea can't proof this it, and would not debunk "Out of Africa" anyways. Since the origin of the genus homo and the species homo sapiens is demonstrably showing to be african.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The mistake is the belief in linear evolution/progression. Standard view of history only goes back to Sumeria and assumes Sumerians appeared as a fully-formed civilization out of nowhere. The reality is we were an advanced, global species in the past before a major collapse. Memories of this collapse are preserved in the myths and legends of almost every culture around the globe of sufficient age. A more realistic view of history is that proto-humans spread from Africa and evolved into the different known subspecies in different areas. There is no hard evidence modern homo sapiens evolved in Africa, nor is there hard evidence they evolved outside of Africa.
    If you would have bothered to google "out of africa debunked" you would have found this article right at the top:
    https://www.natureasia.com/en/nmiddleeast/article/10.1038/nmiddleeast.2018.15#:~:text=The%20out%2Dof%2DAfrica%20model,evidence%20to%20disprove%20this%20theory.
    >Proto-humans left Africa, spread across Eurasia and once separated evolved into different subspecies.
    >These subspecies mixed to different extents in different regions.
    >One group

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we were an advanced, global species in the past before a major collapse
      why can I not learn about race stuff without running into some Atlantis loon
      >cognitive infiltration
      yeah that's probably it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why can I not learn about race stuff without running into some Atlantis loon
        Explain all the monuments from around the world that date back to before supposed civilization, then. Not saying you aren't halfway right and people take the mystical aspects too far, but there was obviously at least one seafaring civilization before this one. Homo Erectus knew how to build simple rafts for fucks sake.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the monuments from around the world that date back to before supposed civilization
          pls post them

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >e continually mentions that the "Out of Africa" theory has long been debunked by anthropologists
    the only people who say this are 4chanfags and sinophiles who can't stand the idea of having any lineage traced back to africa, no matter how far back

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand how OoA is supposed to be anti-racist. It literally makes blacks the missing link lmao.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly this.
        Humans and bananas share 50% of their DNA (seriously, look it up).
        All life on earth evolved from a single ancestral organism. Knowing if the out of Africa theory is true has academic merit- but it's on par with knowing what ancient sea creature left the oceans and lead to land based, air breathing organisms that everything evolved from.

        The human genome is so massive that if you attempted to count every gene it would take you 51 years. Imagine doing nothing but counting. All day. Every day. Stopping for 8 hours of sleep and then going back to counting again. For 51 years.
        If there's a 1% variance between europeans and Africans, that 1% would take you 6 months to count.
        Similarities do not matter.
        The differences create new species.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >we are all africans
        >africans were the original people
        That’s what the people who try to use it for anti-racist purposes say, knowing full well that most people think of modern sub-saharan blacks when they see “African”.
        I agree that it just makes blacks look primitive, and that people don’t talk about this with any other animal.
        >horses are all American

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    your brother is a chudcel

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your brother is, at best misinformed, or, at worse, a complete idiot. Most internet sources fall into one of two categories, gossip-tier "I tell one person what I believe is true, they proceed to paraphrase it to someone else", and out right lies. If someone can't give a more reputable source then " google it", you should probably take anything they say with a grain of salt.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it has long been debunked by the Bible.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everything in the green text is the modern prevailing theory, other than what you said about Neanderthals/Denisovans.
    The lineage that would later evolve into those 2 species migrated out of Africa in the form of Homo erectus/Homo ergaster (there's a considerable debate about which one, and even more debate if erectus and ergaster were even different species at all). Once in Eurasia, this lineage would later evolve into Homo Heidelbergensis, which is the common ancestor to Neanderthals/Denisovans. No stray lineages of Neanderthals nor Denisovans persisted in africa.
    The evidence for Out of Africa theory is
    >earliest evidence of tools by both humans and non-human hominids is in Africa
    >Humans and African apes are more genetically related to each other than humans are to Asian apes.
    >Non-Subsaharan humans share more in common genetically with each other (forming a monophyletic group) than they do with subsaharan Africans
    >African haplogroups are paraphyletic (essentially there were multiple genetic radiations with Subsaharan Africans before the radiation of the Saharan/non-African genetic group
    >Only non-African genetic groups have traces of Neanderthal/Denisovan DNA
    >Non-african languages have more in common than African languages(look up 'Xhos'a for reference)
    Hope this suffices

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very informative, thanks anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Non-Subsaharan humans share more in common genetically with each other (forming a monophyletic group) than they do with subsaharan Africans
      to add to this. Subsaharan africans have a greater difference between each other than all other non-subsaharan humans. There's far more genetic diversity in sub-saharan africa than in the rest of the world.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >far more genetic diversity in sub-saharan africa than in the rest of the world.
        20% archaic. they retvrned to monke

        the ice age pushed people back into Africa and they gots to try that mussy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not true

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's true but we're talking about total variances.
          So simple example:
          Africans:
          skin cor = black = 1 trait
          Eye color = black = 1 trait
          Fingernail growth rate = 4 different genes for different rates = 4 traits

          Northern europeans:
          Skin color = white = 1 trait
          Eye color = blue, green or brown = 3 traits
          Fingernail growth rate = 1 gene for 1 growth rate = 1 trait.

          So now Africans are more diverse.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >durr, the only things that count as genetic differences are hair and eye color

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good post. However I don’t quite understand how this is the evidence of the Out of Africa theory. It seems to me this is exactly why the Out of Africa theory isn’t true. I suppose it depends on your definition of what a modern human is.

      OP, in the book Sapiens he explains how probably Out of Africa isn’t true, but we don’t like to admit that because it gives a lot of credence to racist theories. Also there is a good documentary called Enigma Man that is about a human species related to modern Chinese that isn’t related to modern African people. An Australian scientist working with colleagues in China explains that Out of Africa isn’t accepted in China already so the fossil wasn’t controversial in China. But they show him trying to bring it to the British Natural History Museum and it was very controversial.

      How do you define a modern human? I watched another documentary that explained the defining characteristic as language. But only humans descended from Neanderthals have a really significant capability for language.

      Personally I don’t find this as proving racist theories because most black people today have a significant amount of European DNA so you can’t know someone’s genetic profile from looking at their skin. But more and more evidence is coming out that modern humans evolved in different places from a combination of hominids in that area like European/Neanderthal, Asian/Denisovan etc. If humans came out of Africa, it was so long ago and the shape of the world was so different it was even less like modern humans as we understand them today than even Neanderthals.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >using China as a source unironically
        Chinese are known to lie constantly, they hate anything that suggests they are related to any other group of people

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know that but the point is when evidence suggests human races are subspecies, Chinese accept it and we Westerners don’t. When evidence suggests “one race the human race” we accept it. We both have biases.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          do you think Chinese science is more biased than ~~*western*~~ science? how many genders do you even have, my guy?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i dont get it, you're racist but want us all to be black?

          really activates the almonds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Source: Science

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Out of America hypothesis

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wtf?
    gay little monkey

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    White people evolved from wolves, east asians evolved from freshwater seals, slavs evolved from unusually large rats, garden gnomes were created by aliens as a nose joke, africans evolved from gorillas, arabs evolved from chimps, south asians evolved from macaques, and orangutans are actually humans that devolved.

    source: it came to me in a dream.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is this why white women fuck dogs?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >africans evolved from gorillas
      They're completely different in every way.
      Africans evolved from cichlids.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lil homie gay ass monkey

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wtf?
      gay little monkey

      YWNBAG (You Will Never Be A Gibbon)
      Cope.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Great Apes are divided into an "eastern" genetic group which is made up of Orangutan and their extinct asian relatives, and a "western" genetic group, which is made up of Gorillas, Chimps, Humans and several extinct species of african/european apes.
    since we're apart of the western group, its unlikely our ancestors would've evolved outside of Africa or Europe, Australopithecus is our last common ancestor with Chimps, and are only found in Africa

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not the point.
      Other Homo species that lived between Australopithecus and us were found in Eurasia and even Indonesia.
      So where Homo sapiens originated is still up to debate. It's interesting to note how Aboriginals have very little in common with other human races that, allegedly, left Africa. In particular they have little in common with other South East Asians, the closest I can think of are some of the unique tribes in Southern japan whose names I don't remember.
      Also let's remember Neanderthal and Denisovan admixture.
      It's not as simple as "for 100k years homo sapiens lived just in Africa, left and then populated the rest of the planet". There has to be more to it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        but those were out of africa already
        i'm pretty sure it's not being called "out of africa came a dude who looked exactly like mike next door" for a reason

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but those were out of africa already
          the out of africa theory as far as I remember says that the last common ancestor of all Homo sapiens members today that isn't also a common ancestor between Homo sapiens and other homo species lived in Africa. Not that the homininae lineage started in Africa. That's another matter.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i don't care about whatever definition is "official" in [current year]
            human intellect hit critical mass in africa and then started spreading like a scourge across the globe, repeatedly diverging and reconstituting through interbreeding all while constantly selecting for ever higher intellect in the arms race with other lineages, with those lagging too far behind their neighbors systematically "dying out" along with scores of recently-untouchable megafauna

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >In particular they have little in common with other South East Asians
        well, modern southeast Asians are not the indigenous peoples of the area. the indigenous peoples of Indonesia etc were the negritos, followed by immigration of austronesians from taiwan and the philippines and east asians from indochina
        and there is no more a missing link between negritos and aboriginese than there is between subsaharans and middle-easterners

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Reminder that "homo sapien" was defined before the discovery of DNA.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >My brother insists that the existence of primates in every part of the world means that hominids did not evolve in Africa, but this sounds retarded to me.
    Yup, this sounds retarded. First of all it logically doesn't make any sense. Second of all apes don't live in america or europe, so we must have evolved in asia or africa. Gorillas and chimps both live in africa and those are our closest relatives.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Second of all apes don't live in america or europe
      factually incorrect

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you confusing monkeys with apes, or are you talking about Sasquatch

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He’s talking about Black folks.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's an allochthonous neophyte species

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >apes dont live in europe or america
      >this means that they couldn't have lived there hundreds of thousands of years ago when the climate was even warmer between the ice ages
      R

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's 0 fossil evidence for it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The fossil record represents an estimitated 1% of species that have existed.
          Tyrannosaurus Rex roamed the planet for 5 million years. And yet every piece of T Rex that has been found can fit inside my garage. Only a few specimens have been found that are more than 30% complete- the vast majority are only larger bones like femur and vertebrae. The conditions needed for fossilization are rare- most species that ever existed will never be known.
          The "fossil record" isn't some master catalog from a manufacturer that lists every product along with individual serial numbers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That doesn't mean you can just make up whatever imaginary fossils you want to support your schizo theories.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not entirely wrong but it's more complicated than just arising from a single point in Africa. See the multiregional theory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's more like most hominids did most of their evolving and populating in africa and then out-mixed the others when they went (back) to other continents. As far as we know.
      Just look at africa as humanities mainbase that served as a multiplication tool and kept sending out reinforcements until we reached world dominance.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    your brother might be full of shit
    i'm sorry op

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's the sharpest man in the park

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