>yes, I would eat a cat or a dog. >no, I would not eat my own pet cat or dog

>yes, I would eat a cat or a dog
>no, I would not eat my own pet cat or dog
Why is this such a difficult concept for v*gans to understand?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Elaborate cope.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >companion animals

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't. Cats and dogs are companion animals. They are eadiest to communicate and empathise with.

    Livestock are prey.
    Do they suffer equally? Sure. But if suffering was unacceptable we wouldn't eat animals at all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what point are you even making here?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A rat is not a cat is not a cow basicly.

        One is pest, one is pet, one is prey. Simple.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          this is literally an NPC thought process though, you're just saying you do exactly what society has told you the animals are "meant for" without thinking about it
          >if (animal.type == Animals.FOOD) { self.consoooom(animal) }

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re an NPC for assuming he hasn’t thought about. Every vegan hylic says this shit.
            >me free think, have moral!

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly same, although I would also genuinely kill butcher and eat a human too (preferably a young, healthy female) if it weren't against my religious beliefs. I fucking love meat, there's really not any animal I don't actively want to eat.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll eat my animals when they die of old age. That way they would live on through me.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s hilarious that everyone here and on Reddit acts like vegans are always shoving ideas down everyone’s throats but the only time I see veganism mentioned at all is a non vegan bitching about them.
    >rent free

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's because they haven't visited from discord in a while and they generally stay in their own echo chambers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We get vegan spam in waves. They make 3 or 4 vegan bait threads at once and then leave for a while supposedly while they wait out bans.

        It's kind of weird but everything on Wauf alternates. Vegan spam, pitbull spam, paleo spam, psychotic dog and cat hate. It's almost like it's one guy, or master baiters have a spidey sense for when old bait is dying down and people are still agitated and more ready to take new bait than usual.

        Yeah but I’m vegan and I’m

        It’s hilarious that everyone here and on Reddit acts like vegans are always shoving ideas down everyone’s throats but the only time I see veganism mentioned at all is a non vegan bitching about them.
        >rent free

        I don’t give a shit what you eat. I’m mean I do but I can’t change anyones mind and I take part in a system that causes suffering so my measuring stick isn’t the right one to apply to others anyway. I just never see the vegan shit everyone claims to exist. Not calling anyone a liar just that I haven’t personally seen it. I just see people bitching about vegans and anytime I post anything in response it’s the same bullshit
        >you just had to tell us you’re vegan
        It’s definitely been my experience (admittedly only online) that anti vegans are far more insufferable.

        Side note; I personally have zero problem with hunters or people who slaughter their own food humanely. We’re predators and balance is needed for the benefit of the game animals as well. I just personally think the the disassembly line of the mass produced meat is evil and people are FAR too removed from the source of their food. Still, I consume mass produced products that cause both animal and human suffering so I’m in no place to judge what anyone does.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >anti vegans are far more insufferable
          Antivegans are very fucking weird people. Especially the ones that "like animals".
          Some of the shit they come out with is just pure zoosadism

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >

          [...]


          https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4368239
          https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4228726
          https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4361772
          https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4363993
          https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4362558

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Side note; I personally have zero problem with hunters or people who slaughter their own food humanely. We’re predators and balance is needed for the benefit of the game animals as well. I just personally think the the disassembly line of the mass produced meat is evil and people are FAR too removed from the source of their food.

          I actually agree with this whole heartedly, I think that every meat eater should personally have to take the life of an animal before they form an opinion on this debate.
          The average person is extremely weak & very hypocritical, some of them even having the audacity to whine about hunters or fur clothes as they eat their tortured, factory farmed big mac.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How is it hypocritical? Not all animals have the same value. You're actually severely myopic and can't comprehend a moral system based on anything but muh suffering.

            I do not see a single thing wrong with taking issue with someone shooting puma and elk but not caring about cows being "tortured" (if you can even torture something that isn't self aware). The cows were created to be used as food and the puma and elk are pretty shitty food and are mostly interesting to look at and important for maintaining a functional forest.

            I only see something wrong with thinking that, but not taking issue with the feed-meat complex that is driving deforestation to enable meat overconsumption. THAT is hypocrisy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              some animals are food, some are frens, simple as.
              cows, pigs and chickens have been domesticated specifically to be eaten, cats and dogs to become our companions.

              NPC logic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We get vegan spam in waves. They make 3 or 4 vegan bait threads at once and then leave for a while supposedly while they wait out bans.

      It's kind of weird but everything on Wauf alternates. Vegan spam, pitbull spam, paleo spam, psychotic dog and cat hate. It's almost like it's one guy, or master baiters have a spidey sense for when old bait is dying down and people are still agitated and more ready to take new bait than usual.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But wouldn't you be infuriated if someone shot a stray dog in the head? How is shooting a cow or pig any different?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shooting a dog carries an opportunity cost
      shooting a cow is a harvest

      >could have been a…
      >is the 2000lb result of…

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not necessarily.
      Depending on the circumstances it could be perfectly reasonable.
      Why are you equating putting down a stray animal with killing a farm animal for sustenance?
      A better comparison would be comparing poisoning a population of feral cats and shooting wild deer. In this case, both are perfectly justifiable.

      >birds and insects
      It’s the fact they move on to things that are increasingly human that sets them apart. Normal people will fuck with bugs too, but they grow out of it.
      >le heckin west
      It’s a western observation because innate empathy of this level isn’t present in many other places and that’s saying something when humans already barely have empathy by human standards. An adult psychopath can fool you by having a kitten he doesn’t really give a shit about, and likely will, because it’s such an effective predictor of morality.

      But you only perceive cats and dogs as being 'increasingly human' because you grew up in the west.
      A cat or dog isn't inherently 'more human' than any other domesticated animal, we just breed some for food and some for companionship.
      You look at all the shapes and sizes of dog in the world and tell me that we couldn't breed a gigantic meaty delicious dog if we wanted to.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >because you grew up in the west
        They were selectively bred to look and act more human. It's not that they are culturally more human, they were bred to be physically and mentally more human because the entire point of their existence is living and working with humans. Valuing dogs and cats is not as made up and religious as something like thinking cows and sacred. They were CREATED to be valued.

        These values exist in the west and even in the asian upper class because we have more empathy period. The unwashed illiterate poorfag villagers that serve as slaves to the highbred han are not just part of a different culture, they have less empathy in total, and based on the chinese I have met I can tell you that if it were not a thought crime for spreading "western values" to disparage dog eaters that dog eating would be over in china by now, like it nearly is in korea. They can not see the human qualities in a dog at all. They can not even treat each other with respect.

        Growing up poor, malnourished, and uneducated does affect your capacity for empathy along with your IQ
        https://www.psychnewsdaily.com/iq-and-eq-gifted-people-also-have-a-bit-more-emotional-intelligence/
        and where you see civilization rise you see pet meat fall off. Eating dog is the brand of a subhuman. They are too thoughtless to see the opportunity cost (a dog is expensive and very little food), they are too thoughtless to see how the dog is so much more like them than any other animal short of a primate. They are thoughtless.

        Remember, even you whites used to eat dogs. When you were barbarians, and would even kill each other over mild arguments. But when civilization and your IQs rose, the dog meat disappeared, first it was reduced to a french delicacy, and then it was gone. Because that is not the purpose of the dog - the dog was created by humans to be antithetical to a meat animal. It is what helps turn meat animals into meat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the dog is so much more like them than any other animal short of a primate

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >beady sideways eyes
            >inexpressive mouth
            >spastic and cowardly behavior
            >lives in a tree
            i guess it's sort of like you but not most humans. the rest of us have always had something more in common with wolves and dogs because we share an ecological niche when we live naturally. that is part of why humans have to exterminate wolves and cope by telling themselves that wolves are pure evil - our species are two different men bidding to rent the same house.

            some people may even feel more in common with a wolf than a primate. the wolf is humanity moving forward, herding and hunting in forests and fields. a monkey is the starting point so it is humanity moving backward.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think I agree that dogs and cats were 'created to be valued', as you put it.
          Our ancestors didn't decide to put certain animals on a pedestal, domesticated dogs were just another tool, like a spear or a jagged stone.
          It blossomed into a symbiotic relationship, sure, but you can find countless examples of people having to eat their working dogs when times are especially tough, like sled dogs in a blizzard.
          I think you're too laser-focussed on culture and wealth, but I am trying to argue that any human can eat any animal and it not be morally questioned.
          The fact that it is speaks to a level of arrogance that humans are somehow divinely superior to other animals, which I strongly disagree with.
          We are at the top of the food chain, and the benefit of that is what we can eat whatever species we choose as the planet's apex predator. If we choose not to it shouldn't be because of so me transient reason like domestication, it should be a decision made on an individual level.
          It's like how if you have the right to bear arms and choose not to, the right still exists even if you choose not to exercise it.
          Humanity as the dominant species on the planet has the right to kill and eat any other species, and it is up to the individual to exercise that right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            People will even eat each other if it's necessary to survive. People don't do it just for pleasure, because those that do are, plainly put, inferior.
            >any human can eat any animal and it not be morally questioned.
            You can, but it's not as simple as that, the reason for eating them matters.

            A dog or cat is so expensive that if you are just going to eat it, you never should have had the animal, this whole time you took food from other people to give it to the dog and you got barely any of it back. Never get another one after that, you had all this food around you and you turned this thing that was eating OUR food into a waste. You are LESSER. You were not showing off your superiority. You were acting like your inferior ancestors.

            We are beyond a blob that just consumes everything that's weaker than it. We manage our investments and act carefully so we can continue to dominate.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think we might have to agree to disagree.
              I appreciate the discussion anon, have another picture of my cat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >But wouldn't you be infuriated if someone shot a stray dog in the head?
      Yeah, I would be pretty infuriated that there are stray dogs running around and government is not putting them down, leaving the task up to unhinged vigilantes. As pack hunters that aren't afraid of humans, stray dogs pose serious danger, especially to children and seniors, not to mention that they destroy wildlife in parks and around the cities. Every first world country gasses strays with extreme prejudice.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i just eat meat to live and because its delicious lol

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not?

    I mean, maybe I'm just not aware of that classic vegan stereotype where they insist you have to eat your pets if you're going to eat meat.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>yes, I would eat a cat or a dog
    Most people wouldn't though, that's their point

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's stupid though, and shows a lack of critical thinking on one's own morals.
      I don't understand how someone could justify eating meat if they don't think that way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >That's stupid though, and shows a lack of critical thinking on one's own morals.
        Well yeah most meat-eaters are unironic NPC cattle.
        So are a lot of vegans

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You’re NPC cattle if you can’t comprehend different species differing in value.
        >durr isnt life life?
        no.
        >durr isnt suffering suffering?
        not all suffering matters. not all fires should be put out.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care about 'suffering' in the absence of context.
          Are people suffering in Africa as I post this? Absolutely. Do I care? Not enough to do anything.
          On the other hand, if my pet (or family member but we're talking about animals) were suffering, I would want it to stop and would take whatever action I could to stop it.
          >different species differing in value
          Who decides the value though? You can't say humans because it varies from culture to culture. All you can really do is determine your own personal values of each species, but you shouldn't try and force other people conform to your beliefs.
          I think that trying to determine value by species is a poor idea anyway, just like with humans, different individuals are worth more than others. Hence, I would eat a cat but I would not eat MY cat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Who decides the value though? You can't say humans because it varies from culture to culture
            Culture. And one culture may be right, while others may be wrong. Morality is personal and relative but ethics are objective. If a practice is bad enough for the overall fitness of a society it will inevitably die out or its practitioners will.
            >Investment/return ratio
            how much do we get if we eat this, compared to what has been invested into it? what is the opportunity cost of ending its life?
            Here we find the swiss who will eat totally unwanted puppies and old and dead pets, and the indians who will eat feral animals. It sounds fucked up, but from this perspective they are operating efficiently. These are activities for the famished. Not like china and their "magical warming meat". Even in america this is practiced, but because dogs can not meet human standards for healthy food and may be loaded with drugs and toxins, they are rendered into animal feed instead. But if you raise these animals just for food, it's inherently wasteful, not only because of the extremely high cost of raising them relative to how little you get back, but because they have other functions in agriculture even without special breeding or training.
            >Cascading effects of the value system and how it interfaces with the average humans behavior
            Will people be more callous about killing your pets? will they even eat them and mock you for caring? Do people who treat this species poorly tend to also treat humans poorly because it shares social cues with us? When humans habitually eat something, they view its class more as a bunch of objects, instinctively, history shows you can't talk them out of it without them giving up on eating it. History also shows that people who mistreat these two specific species - dogs and cats - tend to go on to mistreat humans. Is it any coincidence, when they evolved and were selectively bred to evoke empathy in mentally healthy humans?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the fact that most chinese dog meat is made out of stolen pests says so, as does the rest of lower class china/korea.

              they will kill your pets, mock you, and treat their fellow man like shit. it's the culture of a dog eater. meanwhile the upper class in china rarely if ever eats dog except for some rich old hick-like out of placers, while you have their version of the wet noodle liberal
              >"Well I don't believe it's right but we have no right to insult their culture so can't they just treat them humanley before slaughter?"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think you're putting the cart before the horse when it comes to using cats and dogs as a litmus test to determine if someone will go on to harm people.
              I assume you're referring to serial killers and psychopaths who harm animals in their youth then go on to inflict harm on people. However, you neglected two things:
              >those people also frequently harm (read: torture) birds and insects
              >this is a primarily western observation and cats and dogs are easily accessible to those who would intentionally harm or torture animals for fun

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >birds and insects
                It’s the fact they move on to things that are increasingly human that sets them apart. Normal people will fuck with bugs too, but they grow out of it.
                >le heckin west
                It’s a western observation because innate empathy of this level isn’t present in many other places and that’s saying something when humans already barely have empathy by human standards. An adult psychopath can fool you by having a kitten he doesn’t really give a shit about, and likely will, because it’s such an effective predictor of morality.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            would you eat a human

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can't justify this opinion

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I can. Got a problem with it? Starve or get conquered by someone with superior values.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That isn't an argument

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dogs are not special

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes they are. Every society that disagrees is hot garbage propped up by western money except for the segments that do. I wonder why?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        some animals are food, some are frens, simple as.
        cows, pigs and chickens have been domesticated specifically to be eaten, cats and dogs to become our companions.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i would eat one to survive but not for the sake of it and I would not raise one for food, nor would i feed a meat animal anything i could eat grown off land I could farm for myself. i do not care about any suffering that does not affect me. and to let it affect me is a choice. that is all.

    vegans are inhumans that can not make this choice.

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