Would a grizzly bear be able to beat a Utharaptor? Posted on January 24, 2023 by Anonymous Would a grizzly bear be able to beat a Utharaptor?
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>UUUUUM DINOSAURS DIDN'T USE THEIR SHARP TEETH TO BITE, CHUDS, AND RAPTORS DIDN'T USE THEIR CLAWS TO SCRATCH EITHER, THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED.
t. literal pedophile garden gnomes
The chudsaur would be too busy being gay to fight. Remember that’s why they really went extinct, and this retardation still lives in birds. The bear is based and trad and would be taking care of his family instead of fighting giant gay lizards for bragging rights.
Aren't Allosauroids the sauropods specialists? I figured half the reason they disappeared in the late cretaceous was because sauropods became less widespread.
Meanwhile in America at least it feels like we have at least one genera of ceratopsian to pair with any given tyrannosaur, and it makes sense for tyrannosaurus to become so strong when it's environment was full of armored prey.
All that being said I have no clue how any of these theropods hunted. Like, what makes a sauropods specialist a sauropod specialist? Were cutting teeth and more robust arms involved?
allosaurus was is the one we know the most about, and its really strange compared to other theropods like tyrannosaurs, rather than have a killing bite, it skull is made to withstand heavy impacts, along with its mouth being able to open to about 90 degrees, a really strong neck, its theorized it just jammed it head down really fast and shear chunks of flesh off.
robust arms arent really useful for large prey, because the mouth is the killing tool, robust arms are much more useful if the theropod is going after prey that is smaller than itself, in the case of dilophosaurus that had really maneuverable arms and the holotype had incredibility fucked up arms, and by the fact that allosaurus fossil generally had fucked up arms and feet, which meant that they were fighting a lot of prey with their hands and feet
it also got into a lot of fights with stegos
an adult sauropod is basically like a giraffe, most predators arent going to go after them, but tyrannosaurus is fucking huge and it has a bone shattering bite, which is what you need if youre going after sauropods since they can survive getting bodied by them and kill them very quickly
>it skull is made to withstand heavy impacts
Honestly, this is like so many other suspected adaptations in dinosaurs. It's probably a misinterpretation of anatomical features and because one paper was written on it now it's holy doctrine forever.
except they a did a study on its skull structure with engineering, which was to prove an even older theory of it using its neck muscles to kill rather than its jaws, likes sabertooth tigers which also had weak and gaping jaws and a strong neck, but allosaurus doesnt have saber teeth, it has relatively small teeth, along with another study into its neck musculature showing it could move its head really fast and hard vertically, so yeah its a pretty good hypothesis that allosaurus was jamming its head downward on things really hard
Yes, I'm quite sure a theropod was running around headbanging like a fucking retard to kill sauropods. What the fuck happened to critical thinking or skepticism in science? That's what USED to separate it from religion. They're basically the same thing now. We used to have the scientific method. Now someone just publishes something that sounds sciencey and everyone believes it without question or trying to test whether it's even correct.
You're choosing to interpret the information in the goofiest / most retarded possible way (something hipster twitter paleoartists are also extremely guilty of mind you). It mostly indicates that an Allosaurus bite would have been more of a whole head strike, rather than a stationary head using pure bite force. Allosaurus CAN (though of course, that doesn't mean it did) open its mouth considerably wider than other theropods. While this has practical applications in terms of like, actually being able to bite bits off of a large sauropod carcass, I imagine it would also make sense in this context of striking with the head, letting its teeth engage on the prey item during the strike.
We obviously do have to speculate a lot here, we're trying to infer behaviour from bones. "it has strong neck muscles, small teeth, and a wide gape, what does this say about how it hunted and fed". But it's an animal, not a robot, we can only assume these features evolved because they were useful to it though.
I think some other theropods like Carnotaurus also have an exceptionally strong neck, but obviously the head shape there is so wildly different from Allosaurus its hard to compare. Like yeah, they both have relatively large (albeit to extremely varying degrees) horns in front of their eyes, but I don't think these served any hunting purpose.
>YOU'RE PUTTING WORDS INTO OUR MOUTHS!!
I'm literally replying to your own stupid fucking claims. If they look stupid to you that should light up one of the LEDs in your little NPC head.
Oh sorry, thought you were interested in discussion you just wanna shitpost.
There is no discussion. I'm telling you you're wrong and you're telling the world you hate science.
>so yeah its a pretty good hypothesis that allosaurus was jamming its head downward on things really hard
To me (just an interested layman for what it's worth) it seems more likely that it would lunge its neck forward (visualize a snake strike almost) or even upwards at taller prey (like a sauropod) with open jaws, bite down, and then explosively yank the neck backwards, raking off big nasty chunks of flesh and maybe even scraping bone, depending on where it landed a bite.
Emperor's New Clothes perspective. Obviously that's what it did. But that's not retarded enough to write a paper about, so we have to get stuck with midwit redditors trying to convince everyone of shit that's obviously wrong.
that works for dead flesh, but that doesnt explain why its skull is that way, like most raptors today feed like that today, hold down meat with the legs, bite down on something and pull upwards, but it doesnt explain why its skull is weird, it should have a stronger bite, its mouth shouldnt be able to open that wide, its teeth should be larger, thats why i said its really weird
i also feel like ripping flesh when the animal is alive where skin involved should be a lot harder to do because i would assume a sauropod has thick skin, like an elephant, and wouldnt just a stronger bite and larger teeth be better, because you just bite down and the teeth would be able to dig even deeper and pull flesh off easier when using the whole body to pull it off
I'd assume that a Grizzly would go for a pin, which means that if it can grapple the neck & shoulders then the Raptor would be grounded; however, if the Raptor manages to flank the Bear or do enough damage with its legs in the pin then the Bear could easily be evicerated or exsanguinate. Honestly? It's a tossup. They both are equal sized megapredators that dominated their respective ecosystems. It'd be fun to watch, but I highly doubt one would always win over the other.
If the bear tries to do it’s stand up grapple maneuver, the raptor is going to be in absolute ideal spot to kick the bear in the stomach a la cassowary or the ostrich that almost killed Johnny Cash. If that foot long claw hits the bears stomach, it is going to be disemboweled.
I'm honestly going with tossup too, maybe slightly favoring bear. if the bear manages to pin the raptor to the ground or gets a good enough swipe in to break a leg/jawbone then the Raptor gets rekt. it doesn't look like much but
that moronslap at around 8 secs carries enough force to take your head off. that said getting the raptor on its back could potentially work in the raptors favor for the same reason you don't pin a feline that way (you get gutted by razor feet).
do we know if Utahraptor had a strong enough bite force to actually get through the bears hide? if it turns into a face biting match then bear might again have an advantage. idk if smaller dromaeosaurs bit each others faces to fight like T-Rex did.
What makes you think Utahraptor is some pathetic pushover who is incapable of producing more than a meek punch? You think that gay little swipe is lethal, wait until you see what happens when a foot long knife is jabbed into your body by legs with muscles more powerful than anything on a bears body. A bear is just not equipped to deal with the arsenal of weapons possessed by dinosaurs. No mammal is.
why are you assuming bears are these big lumbering dumbasses that have no means of defense besides "big and mean"?
>wait until you see what happens when a foot long knife is jabbed into your body
and how exactly is said knife getting stabbed into said body? again, if the bear pins the fucker down by the head it can't really do much besides flail unless the bear is retarded and lets it get on its back (at which point bear catches claws to face/chest/wherever and gets rekt). if raptor gets a free ambush strike from behind (like they're thought to do as ambush hunters), then of course it fucking wins because that's its entire strength. which brings me to another point I haven't seen brought up yet in this hypothetical 1v1
bears will literally fight each other like in that webm for a good hour at a time, often sustaining quite a bit of damage in the process (at least the loser does). assuming neither animal pussies out (unlikely unless they're both tossed in a cage and in 100% no-holds barred 1v1 square the fuck up mode) then it really is gonna depend on how the fight opens up. if bear can pin the raptor and clamp down somewhere on its back/head then said raptor doesn't really have the leverage to land a solid kick without risking fucking itself up as well. not sure on how long the bear needs to keep it pinned until it tires, however.
this fight wouldn't really have a clear winner if both sides really wanted the other dead.
>T-rex brainlessly evolved into a walking giant mouth with no arms that fed on brainless fern grazing giant sauropods.
There has never been a Tyrannosaurus rex bone found in the same formation as a sauropod bone. Tyrannosaurus rex evolved to hunt and kill Triceratops, which we have piles of evidence of it doing.
>There has never been a Tyrannosaurus rex bone found in the same formation as a sauropod bone.
There’s never been a Tyrannosaurus rex bone found in Ojo Alamos lol. Only dubious material tentatively referred to Tyrannosaurus sp. My point stands, rex rarely if ever encountered sauropods and was evolved to kill armed prey, like Triceratops.
Did you actually think I wasn’t aware of Alamosaurus? How arrogant and stupid are you?
It's not only Tyrannosaurus, it's T. rex. And the only reason it's tentative is due to the nature of bones recovered from the formation.
No, idiot, the literature consistently refers to it as Tyrannisaurus sp., and a popsci meme back a few years ago referred it as a new species of Tyrannosaurus. I used “Tyrannosaurus rex” specifically because I suspected some midwit contrarian moron to try and cite Alamosaurus.
>No, idiot, the literature consistently refers to it as Tyrannisaurus sp.
>reading the literature
>understanding the literature
>these are the same!
The eternal midwit cry.
You can guess all you want about the specific affinities of a couple random large theropod bones from Texas. Tyrannosaurus rex did not evolve to kill Sauropods and you know it. You lose!
I mean, unless you think there were TWO species of Tyrannosaurus running around the American west during the Maastrichtian, which would make you certifiably retarded.
I stopped seeing reddit everywhere when I got off that site anon
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If you are not cheering for a mammal you are not just a traitor of your own race but of your whole superfamily. Mammals must conquer non-mammals!
Fuck mammals. Everything on this planet has gone to shit since mammals took over.
>dinofag is a nihilist chud
You mean a realist. chud shit is a mammal obsession.
You sure about that? Birds are some of the few higher lifeforms that can change their sex. Their primitive orifices also make males and females much closer so they're basically living in a chud dream world, and are some of the most prolifically homosexual things above water.
Mammals are mostly trad families or stacy-railing gigachads that fuck numerous bitches but birdland is full of literal gay shit and all of their sex is technically anal.
Birds aren't reptiles, stupid.
I know more about this than you do. I even know how to perform the surgery in roosters, but it's basically pointless.
You're being baited by retards
Sexual dimorphism is far more common in birds, and birds are known for an unusually high rate of heterosexual monogamy
>birds aren't reptiles
Yes they are. They can even still reproduce as lesbians and there are more hard gay birds out there than there are non-human mammals
Fuck, even humans aren't naturally exclusively gay. It's artificial culture. They're, at worst, bisexual by accident, but the hard gay rate in things like black swans is absurd. Birds are LGBTQ's dream animals and what every brainwashed faglord dreams of reincarnating as.
>Tim told me that in rare cases, after the loss of the suppressing oestrogen hormones, the undeveloped right ovary in the duck begins to develop in response to male genes on the Z chromosome.
>This has been found through dissection and various experiments to remove the ovaries of living birds. Without restricting female hormones, the cells of the right side vestigial ovary masculinise, and can develop into a testis. This sperm has even been shown to be functional and can lead to the successful fertilisation of eggs.
inb4 birdchud cope
>Would a grizzly bear be able to beat a Utharaptor?
It may be larger but still suffer from the weakness of hollow bones and a lower weight than what would be normal for a mammal of the same size.
>the weakness of hollow bones
how many more times is reddit gonna say this?
you think utahraptors were ripping astrodons apart but would shatter every bone in their body like that guy from spongebob and lose to a fucking bear....? an astrodon would cut a bear in half with one whip of its tail
dinos in 160 million years accomplished nothing and all died. In the short term the mammals produced humans who rule the world.
and numerous mammals could easily evolve to equal us in <10 million years
>every other primate
>genetically engineered dogs
>even fucking rodents
what do dinosaurs have? evolutionary dead ends that were never any better than a large wolf or tiger, really.
A bear would rape that fragile chicken. anyone who says otherwise has been brainwashed by gnomish propaganda.
why do fags and pedos always ruin potentially good threads
have a nice day now
Anything that's of fascination or wonder to White Europeans such as dinosaurs or space exploration is fervently hated by garden gnomes/lefties/etc.
might as well call him a frogposter, fucking pedos
Yes it would mogg it
Just like a elephant btfo a t Rex
What's the biggest, strongest dinosaur a mastodon could defeat?
The biggest one would get btfo
I guess we are only talking about carnivore dinosaurs, since vegetarian animals live in peace and harmony with each other due to their higher intelligence and ethics and their lack of "ethnic" behaviour.
I would say everything up to Allosaurus tier (3tons, ~3-4 times less than a Mastodon) would get shrekt.
Take into account how much damage a dinosaur can do vs something like a lion. Lions and most modern predators suffocate the prey. An allosaur could cut an elephant's trunk off in one swipe with its huge talons, leap right up onto its back. Dinosaurs were taking on much more formidable prey than elephants. Elephants have no tail, no armor, which is fine when the worst thing you'll ever face is a tiger or smilodon or something but an allosaurus would probably tear any elephant that's ever lived to fucking pieces.
A mammoth could beat anything smaller than an allosaurus, however I think it's more of a bellcurve. If a pack of raptors decided to dogpile an elephant I see no way of it defending itself.
Good way of looking at it. I had the same thoughts.
Why do people get so mad over these hypotheticals?
Oh well, it was a good thread while it lasted but now ~~*pedophiles*~~ are here to derail it.
Thanks, come again.
have a nice day election tourist.
You will be cooked and eaten.
>thread still up
chicken rapists just don't give up
Calling monstergirls furry is a lame old furfag tactic. Monstergirls are not furries, and no amount of repetition will make it so. All it does is make you look retarded.
whatever you say, degen
have a nice day for even starting this whole argument with that gay comic.
If you're not attracted to biologically mature female humans you're a pedophile/sodomite as far as I'm concerned.
Like, we were having a fun discussion about these animals then some literal chud freak who jerks off to animals posts some furfag comic. Cool. KYS, dont @me
Thanks for the (You)s
have a nice day, furshit comic poster.
I know suicide has probably been on your mind a lot lately and that's okay. I hope these (you)s help get you through this rough time in your life.
No matter how hard you furries try to muddy the waters, monstergirls will never be furry. Also, anime website.
chinkmoot should already bring Wauf back to it's roots and add a dedicated e-boi board, like the good old times
That would make newfags seethe so hard lol.
Always remember: flat is justice.
go jerk off to a dog, pedo
>so absolutely mind broken all he can think about is beastiality
Might be time to take a quick break from the internet anon, be sure to drink some water
>scale fags coping this hard
Why are you splitting hairs? There's furfags and normal people and you're the only one posting furshit. Eat lead.
Imagine seething so hard over mammal superiority you can't even type a coherent response
>dosen't know what killing bites is
So this is the power of the lizard brain
Looks gay but I'll give you that at least it's not furshit.
monstergirl, furry, same degenerate shit
Nope, but nice job outing yourself as a furry.
No it's not.
What does "killing bites" even mean?
The one with the sharpest fangs... gets BTFO by a rabbit, dog, or goat.
Killing bites is the friends we got killed along the way
Idk it's clearly some animalfucker/chud comic that should simply be disregarded.
Anon it's literally just a dumb "which animal would win in a fight" meme manga complete with multiple pages of animal """"facts"""". Calm down.
Sounds like tierzoo but somehow even gayer and more trans.
DID SOMEONE SAY TARZOO!?!
>anon became so retarded that he can only communicate using buzzwords and chanspeak
Lion v raptor?
lol a utahraptor would probably just snatch a bear's face off without the bear even knowing what happened
Not a chance. A Utahraptor talon is as big as the bear's head.
Don't think too hard about the relationship between hitler, his dog, and the lack of relationships he had with women.
Behind every great crusade is a great heretic.
Don't think too hard about that fact that the nazis literally created the animal rights and environmental movement while the communists were busy turning China into a desert and draining the Aral Sea.
Well yeah, that kind of person isn't exempt from really loving animals. Especially more than people.
>you remind me of an elite banker somewhat. same nose. surgery, without anesthesia!
>oh a dog? hurting them is verboten.
>you remind me of an elite banker somewhat. same nose. surgery, without anesthesia!
>surgery, without anesthesia!
I'd admit to doing that too if you threatened to rupture my testicles
You never heard of Eva Braun?
That's not a Utharaptor.
>a fucking oversized chicken
even a silverback gorilla can handle that, let alone a grizzly
A gorilla can't even beat a 200 lb leopard
yeah but a leopard would also fuck up a big dumb bird
If they actually looked like that then I don't think any bear could beat that.
why do bongs consistently spell this wrong? It's not that hard.
whoever wins, we lose
What the hell makes you morons think any bear stands a chance?
It’s a meme, you dip.
Is it? A bear is cumbersome, but I bet you'd have to be pretty fleet-of-foot to be able to battle and weave and dodge triceratops horns and shit. A rex strike would probably be lighting fast like a crocodile.
>that scene from valley of gwangi where the elephant gets wrekt
always made me seethe as a kid. theres no way a bull elephant wouldnt body the shit out of a t rex. those mother fuckers are pure testosterone and aggression.
Tyrannosaurus rex evolved to hunt animals that were as large and better armed than bull elephants. An elephant has never encountered an animal larger than it is. It will have no clue what to do.
Yep, he didn't know what to do, so he bum-rushed like an idiot and died.
What else is an elephant going to do? Aikido?
Not get run over by a train like an idiot?
You know about him. No one knows about you. He still lives. You don't even exist.
He accomplished his goal
holy crap, what? that's some ridiculous stopping power
bull elephants will charge at anything coming at them. from people, to other elephants, to even fucking cars and trains. it doesnt give a rat fuck what's rushing towards it.
Yeah I'm sure Tyrannosaurus rex has never had to deal with charging prey before. Evolution definitely hasn't equipped him for this specific scenario lol.
Actually, he died lol
an elephant is just a more soi triceratops, elephantfags are absolutely delusional
What if the bear has access to WW2 era artilery piece? How does that changes the matchup?
This is actually a job for Dakotaraptor.
Dakotaraptor is most likely a chimera fossil and probably none of its constituent pieces will be a large bodied dromaeosaur
I hope it's real, he's my favorite dino.
The one that is way less robust than Utah?It's like sending a marathonist to fight someone you think the heavyweight boxer won't neat.
Utahraptor is weak from nearly two decades of sitting around chit-chatting with T-Rex and Dromiceiomimus.
were its bones actually hollow though? or is that bird = dinosaur le heckin sciencefag bullshit?
if it had hollow bones, it really doesn't stand a chance against the kodiaks or polar bears. i doubt it has the physical power of like a similar sized crocodile or mammal.
also, the "that's not what the claws were used for" is bullshit too. an animal doesn't think tactically in combat. they swing their weapons and try to kill what they're fighting before they get too damaged because damage could lead to them dying.
>also, the "that's not what the claws were used for" is bullshit too. an animal doesn't think tactically in combat. they swing their weapons and try to kill what they're fighting before they get too damaged because damage could lead to them dying.
It's not 'The animal meticulously thought about using its available weapons for this precise strategy'.
It's 'The claws were literally incapable of slashing through flesh, retard'.
Piercing, sure. But disemboweling with them is a fantasy.
As should be obvious to anyone whose brain isn't entirely smooth. The biomechanics of a giant, sickle-shaped claw on a toe don't exactly scream 'MAXIMUM POWER!'.
Pic related. That's the damage tiger claws do. While smaller, they're also in a biomechanically more convenient position. That's against unprotected human skin, not scaly ornithischians ten to a hundred times the weight of a human.
This pic, I mean.
if you seriously believe that
cannot slash, i would ask you to hop in the pen with an ostrich, emu, or cassowary.
just because a claw isn't bladed like a knife, doesn't mean it can't slash. the cassowary's claw has a flat edge on the bottom side, and it will still tear your stomach open.
johnny cash was once cut open by an emu or ostrich, it spilled his guts out and he almost died.
I would legitimately rather be stuck in a cage with a grizzly than a cassowary, those things are absolutely fucked
>thinks even big cat claws can’t slash human skin
Kek. Someone obviously hasn’t seen the video of a jaguar barely grazing a woman’s arm and cutting it so much the flesh popcorns out. Just because those lacerations aren’t particularly bad doesn’t mean it’s not capable of doing far worse damage, there’s pictures of fucking rhinos with more severe wounds from over ambitious tigers than that
hollow bones doesnt actually mean anything, only midwits think that. despite being hollow a lot of the time that meant that theyre denser than other animals of a similar size because you need stiff and strong bones to actually fly, IF they kept their bone density relative to their body weight, their bones would be much stronger than a grizzly of equal weight
and tiger claws arent meant for slashing as they are RETRACTABLE, meaning they only come out when the tiger is actually grabbing something
>cries about 4chan
>wants to rape animals
Checked, its disgusting how many animal fuckers are on this board
Nah there's a lot of us. Some 4chanfags go after disney for normalizing furshit with anthro characters in films, but 10 year old me was fantasizing about those JP raptors being sex crazed without any males around. I'm pretty sure some humans are just hard wired to be based as fuck and want dangerous predatory mates.
>*leaps 50 feet in the air and lands on you driving foot-long talons inside*
>leaps 50 feet in the air because it's a fuckig bird with hollow bones
>gets snapped in half by a baseball bat
Go up to an ostrich with a baseball bat and see what happens.
Fucking retard, why did you even post? Porous bones =/= weak, if anything they'd break less easily and give large animals like utahraptor seemingly unnatural acrobatic capability.
>Go up to an ostrich with- ACK!!!
Yes, if they got up in close quarters with each other the bear would probably wrestle the raptor to the ground and tear it apart. The bear would probably be maimed in the process, though. If the raptor ambushed the bear, it could kill it pretty quickly. Those jaws are meaner than any modern land predators, bar some big crocs.
no, a raptor this big would only lose to an elephant
I bet it could take on an elephant 1 on 1 if it got in its back
Grizzly is just too bulky, fat and fluffy IMO.
Half of you cunts are completely, embarrassingly wrong in your opinion about this.
lol at those bitch slaps.
and the guy pushing his chest like back off dude
What kind of bear is that?
Yeah but imagine two gigantic clawed legs slashing its torso while theyre locked into biting each other... guts spilling all over from one good slash.
No brainer here, utahraptor wins unless pinned so its a 50/50
what if we make the bear venomous to make it a fair fight?
Utahraptors have no answer to the bear's grappling. Utah gets a kick in then gets ripped to shreds by the bear.
Pretty sure that a grizzly bear could beat a t rex, no way a puny raptor could beat it.
What? Sure they're fast, and strong, but when you're 700+ lbs with nothing to worry about short of a guy with a high powered gun and a clear shot, they're not agile. They don't need to be.
polar bears have been seen picking fights with orcas and belugas man, bears in general are pretty underestimated because everyone sees them as cute and dumb.
holy shit, hadn't seen part 3 yet
The T-rex's tail vertebra look like little bears
I meant to reply to
Literal Disney propaganda.
But a Utahraptor is more agile and cunning than slow Tyrannosaurus. It's hard to tell really.
A T. rex would just have to get it's jaws on the bear ONCE and the bear is dead
Is grizzly bear the name of my dick?
Sure why not and vice versa
>cold blooded lizard vs warm blooded beast
No because the Utahraptor is way larger, more athletic and used to hunt preys that were way more dangerous than a grizzly bear.
>a fucking chicken
It may win but would be crippled beyond belief, birds/dinos are mostly glass cannons with low stamina and could never stand up to a more sturdily built mammal of comparable size and power with their frail bones and light weight.
I've seen Eagles survived getting hit by cars unscathed. And Utahraptor was much, much more robust than its smaller dromaeosaur cousins
The perfect size.
If one of these guys forced you on your back and stepped on your chest, you really couldn’t stop it from doing whatever weird thing it wanted to do next, huh?
this. pound for pound a pissed off adult male grizzly could and would body that fucker if cornered. they're basically built to wrestle and pin shit down. see webm related. and they're just playing.
they can reach up to 1200lbs, averaging 700-900 for a male.
Mammaltard is going to get disembowled with a single kick by the larger animal lol.
Problem is that Grizzlies outweigh utahraptors by a lot. Utahraptor got to be roughly around 600 pounds.
To give it credit, it was thought to reach pretty much twice that in older studies, and hey we don't really have much fossil material of it published yet(?) and not the first time some dinosaurs have made massive leaps in possible weight. If it was the older weight I'd say 50/50 cause Utah was built like a truck compared to all dromaeosaurs.
But from what I know, Utah gonna get rekt.
>Grizzlies outweigh utahraptors by a lot
that raptor would leap through the air and drive its foot into that bear, there would be nothing a bear could do if the raptor wanted it dead
dromaeosaurs were known to kill animals much larger and heavier then they were. Probably just claw his way up the side of the bear and spill winnie the pooh guts all over.
>...dromaeosaurs were known to kill animals much larger and heavier then they were.
So are wolves, but that doesn't mean one could go one-on-one with a grizzly. Also, they were killing dinosaurs, which might have been relatively easy to kill (weak bones, highly stressed metabolisms like birds, maybe). Terror birds seem to have been fucked as soon as modern mammal carnivores started competing with them, so that's one data point indicating that therapods aren't as fearsome as equivalent mammals (but then again, terror birds had to go through a weird evolutionary pathway, so maybe the original version was superior).
>they were killing dinosaurs, which might have been relatively easy to kill (weak bones, highly stressed metabolisms
??? what ?
again, porous bones =/= weak bones
the bones would be a lot more scry and pliable, like a young child's bones which have a lot more give vs an adult's bones which are more ridged and brittle
also terror birds were birds, dinosaurs had arms and a tail
mammalmorons are honestly fucking pathetic
dinosaurs lived objectively more violent lives than modern day animals
dinosaur bones are almost always covered in scratches and breaks (that healed), a crocodile or bird can get its leg bit off and be perfectly fine, if a lion fractures its leg it's fucking over
again, all these non-arguments just seem politically motivated, like rather than having the discussion, there is an ulterior motive to shitposting and derailing the thread that has nothing to do with bears or dinosaurs
go diddle a kid, you fucking freaks
A utaraptor talon is bigger than a bear's head. How on Earth are you comparing them to wolves right now. Can wolves leap 10x their height? Can a bear even jump at all?
The dinosaur wins and I truly don't see how the bear could. Even if the raptor wasn't hunting the bear and they just ran into each other and the bear wanted the raptor dead, the raptor could just leave and there would be nothing the bear could do. Bears would just be walking picnics to predators back in the times of dinosaurs.
Terror birds were ABSOLUTELY the cucked version of theropods, don't even "maybe"ize this point.
It's like if sneks developed the ability to walk again by reusing some strange genetic skin cancer mutation that allows them to walk on mole-stalks.
That is how it was with terror birds. They didn't have teeth or arms. In general they were tiny, as birds evolved from cousins of dinosaurs with names like "microraptor", which should tell you everything you need to know.
its still a fucking 600 lb animal thats gonna be kicking a 95 mph claw that is 9.5 inches. their is no way the bear doesnt just keel over
probably kicking it repeatedly, and extremely rapidly.
Don't bears have layers of hardened fat to prevent being gutted?
Though tigers do kill them regularly
A dinosaur is just a whole different beast than a tiger or bear. It has a crocodile head, swords on its hands and feet and can leap like 30 feet into the air. A utahraptor could just leap up onto an elephant's back and stick its nails in its spine, a bear would be absolutely fucked.
There's a reason why dinosaurs were basically dragons covered in armor and spikes and scutes.
Look at an iguanodon. Relatively low power-level as far as dinosaurs go, but it could defend itself from a raptor attack. It has arms with spikes on its hands as weapons, and a gigantic tail swinging around like a giant crowbar to defend its flanks.
I'm just imagining how a bear v utahraptor fight would go down.
The raptor would either ambush the bear in which case it would be over before it began.
Or if the bear saw the raptor coming, the bear will probably stand on its hind legs and try to intimidate the other animal, or maybe do some mock charges at it, and then the raptor will cover the distance between them in one jump and stick its talons 2 feet deep right into the bears chest or back, I don't see another way this could go.
>get disembowled with a single kick by the larger animal
That's not what the fucking claw was for dipshit. Raptor Prey restraint theory is the overwhelmingly favored view on the usage of the sickle claw.
>animals only use organs for 'what they're for'
>they never use organs for things they can do even if it's not 'what they're for'
based moron posting
predatory animals always minimize risk and would never do something stupid for cool points
Maybe for 30 lb velociraptor, not huge macropredators like Utahraptor. Whatever the fuck you think you know about raptor functional morphology prob doesn't apply to Utahraptor
>everyone now thinks this meaning it must have been true!
>even though previously everyone also thought the other thing I'm speaking against!
Reality doesn't work the way you seem to think it does. And I'm not talking about the minutiae of how raptors used their claws, "dipshit".
Utaraptor had proportionately the 2nd smallest and least curved sickle talon among eudromeosaurs after Adasaurus. It was most likely impractical for restraining prey and would most likely be used only for slashing and maiming.
What a dumb fucking statement. It was for kicking. Birds kick. Raptors leapt onto prey driving the claws in. Why the fuck do you think they were so good at jumping and had literal wings on their arms for?
Let me guess, t-rex was a scavenger of nuts and berries and didn't eat meat.
Don't forget to miss your dilation FFS.
That's a fuckin ugly ass Utah depiction.
>that awkward leaning forward
that's nothing. i could hip toss that bitch by the neck
>raptorfags forgetting how much aggression mammals can pack
anon we live in a world where fucking badgers and wolverines can scare the fuck out of lions and bears. Im more than willing to believe an adult grizzly could destroy a raptor on that merit alone. I mean fuck, ever seen those videos of hippos and elephants bodying crocodiles? you underestimate your fellow warm bloods.
And what makes you think that the animal that lived an objectively more violent life wouldn't be just as aggressive? Dromaeosaurids were also endothermic, so maybe you should actually try to understand that word before you say anything even more stupid.
>over a ton
I need this video with UFC commentators dubbed over it
>pound for pound
Using that logic a bear would be curbstomped by every single mustelid in existence.
A wolf-sized sable could probably curbstomp a bear.
I mean, scaled up? yeah I'm with that other anon. a timberwolf sized marten would likely body the average bear. hell, wolverines chase off bears frequently.
They are in real life, Wolverines have confirmed kills against polar bears and grizzlies by going for the throat.
Nonsense. Hunters are the biggest bullshitters out of anyone. Remember that fella who said he killed a bear by biting its neck then hitting it with a stick? KEEEKKKK.
Correct. Pine martens already fuck up bears frequently so yeah, a bear-sized marten vs a bear, the bear stands no chance
Lil bro doing BJJ
Why aren't more people just going around killing fucking dogs? I'm about tired of their shit.
Iguanodon easily kills both of them.
>would a mammal that can weigh over a ton beat a hollow boned inferior dinosaur
>weighing over a ton
A ton is 2000lbs chief
an utharaptor can also weigh as much you retard
Utahraptor is tiger sized.
no. nothing would.
>a fucking bird
a particularly large baboon would tear it in half
Yeah, let's see how it does when it can't fly.
Alright, also make it bigger than the bear with swords on its hands and legs and can jump 3x the bear's height and commonly preyed on animals far more formidable than any fucking bear.
the what? all i see is a seagull attacking a bear
Freedom to shit in the forest: revoked
Do we actually see the eye being poked out? That would be horrible, fucking hell.
USA vs USSR during the 60s
Smfh why are birds such pussies
If you call a Utahraptor a "bird" you also need to call a whale a "monkey", because the genetic distance is about the same, +20 million years on the dino side.