Where did the myth about if you let your cats outside they will decimate the local ecosystem and eat up at least 60 million birds alone? I see everyone parrot this baseless claim.
Where did the myth about if you let your cats outside they will decimate the local ecosystem and eat up at least 60 million birds alone?
catfags are absolutely deranged
What if I'm OK with the local ecosystem being decimated? What has it ever done for me?
Cat owners really are just as small brained as shitbull owners. I live in Australia and feral cats have destroyed our eco system. Additionally they are the sole reason toxoplasmosis exists, probably explains why cat owners are so retarded. Honestly cats especially in places like Australia should just be wiped out entirely, along with large dog breeds, it's just too damaging to the environment/ every cat owner I know is mentally ill.
Meh my friend has an outdoor cat (he doesn't live in the US so less threat of being run over) and the only animal his cat brings back home are mice.
>kill the mice that are happy outside peoples houses
What could go wrong
evolved mice that can chew through a cats stomach and back to freedom
Idk I let my cat out only during daytime but he never kills any birds, the only thing he ever catches is chipmunks like one every 3 months.
I've seen him chase turkeys but it's just playing and I'm pretty sure they are having fun, they're too big to be his prey and they know it.
> it's just playing
this is Pitbull equivalent for a cat lmao i hope your cat gets ran over
Are t you afraid of someone hurting or taking your cat?
no I live in the woods and my house is at the end of a cul de sac with just old people around so there's not really any risk there, just other wild animals so I make sure he is always inside well before dark. Not perfectly safe but neither is driving a car and I do that. I think he'd rather die than not go outside too.
>He never brings me birds so he isn't killing them
Cats do that if you discipline them for doing it once. They just kill the bird and don't bring it to you. Literally every cat owner will say this but 9/10 they are wrong and the cat is infsct still killing birds. You should really stop letting your cat outside unsupervised. Atleast put a leash on it and walk it outside like a normal pet owner. You don't see bros with pet Pythons letting their snakes wonder around neighborhoods.
Nope, no bird killing going on. No evidence of it, never seen it and I see him outside 10 times a day. Usually lying under a tree or in a pile of leaves. He doesn't hunt, just opportunistically catches things that run on the ground. Including leaves.
You don't see it hunt then obviously. Cats will literally hide the bodies if you've scolded them about bringing dead animals to you. Cats are little shit and you have a moral obligation to keep it supervised.
I've never scolded him for killing a bird because he never has
>We studied and saw that one day 1 cat killed 2 birds in 1h.
>that means every cat kills 48 birds per day
>that means 1 cats kill over 17500 birds per year
This is how they do their math btw.
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill
This website was invented by an international cabal of brainwashed science cultists to make me feel bad. I will not be reading.
My cat literally killed a baby corn snake before
Idgaf about your little birds and I keep 3 outdoor cats who bring at least one every day. Seethe.
Must be fun to have your pet bring you birds home with the biggest bird flu outbreak going on.
ok, when it winds up in my yard my dog will eat it and I won't tell you
And then he will just "adopt" three more from the street or whatever. If you think these lazy idiots actually give a solitary shit about their semi-feral retards, you are mistaken.
cuck
i poisen cats just for you
I will eat all 3 of them and I will enjoy it
Thanks for the free cats.
They do, but around here at least there's a fucking shit ton of birds so I think pets in general picking them off isn't a bad thing. My older cat's killed 3 with her fucking bell on in her life so if a bird is retarded enough to get itself caught by a large orange cat that makes noise every time she moves then it probably wasn't going to do too well in nature anyway.
>with her fucking bell
people still believe in this shit? bells, just like cats, are completely unnatural so it obviously doesnt help at all
Not seeing the logic here
You problem
>low bird mortality part of the thrust of justifying more wind turbines
>cover the earth in more of them
>bird mortality by them goes up to around the same level as collisions with lines
>just don't report it 🙂
every stastician is a clueless murderer.
why do birds fly in them anyway? cant they see it like a big tree
>number of wind turbines multiplies by 100
>still not statistically significant compared to cats
Yeah but my partisan tribe likes outdoor cats and don't like wind turbines so I'm not going to consider any evidence that doesn't reaffirm that stance.
I speak for everyone here when I Sry fitting in with all the other disemfranchised retirees on Facebook is much more valuable than avoiding cognitive dissonance.
i don't care.
cats should kill birds.
wind turbines are wasteful garbage and tax theft.
Wind turbines hunting birds is about as natural as cats hunting birds outside of their native habitats. Personally I support both.
Well it happened in nature so obviously it's natural
Are you implying that an african feline killed American birdlife without human assistance during the dawn of history?
cats don't waste my taxes to the tune of m(b)illions.
when I look on from a hilltop, I don't see cats cluttering the view with 2007 ipod nano all white looking junk that will be going straight to the landfill in 4 years at best.
take your avocado toast eating retarded ass and go straight back to hell.
I'm sorry you feel that way anon
this paper here
>https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380
basically they strapped a gopro camera on a cat and counted how many critters it killed. Then multiplied by the number of cats thought to live in the US and extrapolated over one year.
questionable methodology, but whatever. The important point is that a few billion birds killed isn't a significant number since 10 times that many die of old age every year.
>10 times that many die of old age or winter starvation every year.
added my bit. but otherwise the rule indeed is: if someone argues by absolute numbers, ask for relative numbers and vice versa.
Birds don't die of old age in nature.
>muh 60 gorillion
It's only natural to mistrust a large number starting with 6 but this time it's true.
>parrot
Birdfag Freudian slip
how bout u gut open a local feral cat and see whats its been eating
>Myth
It's true, but it's more complex than that. Cats only finish off the damage done by human development and other introduced species like rats (which cats live in harmony with rather than exterminating). Anything "driven to extinction by cats" was already doomed by humans fucking up their environment in many other ways. On the other hand, some "invasive species", like dogs and foxes, can actually be beneficial in tandem with others (lowered extinction rate) because they aren't lazy gays and actually kill the rats (and the cats). You'll never hear about this one though, because canines also kill livestock which requires farmers to do their least favorite thing. Actually invest into their business and take care of their animals.
There ARE actual problems with outdoor cats. The first is a problem of ethics and personal responsibility. Cats are prey. Everything that is big enough to kill and eat them will try eventually. They are also really fucking dumb and worse at dodging cars than they think. The second is a problem of public health. Because of poorfags and retards who don't vaccinate and desex their pets, there are totally uncared for cats roaming around spreading rabies and disease. Toxoplasmosis kills 750 americans every year and exists entirely because of these uncared for ferals, often called "farm cats". Are they helping the farm? No. They are doing absolutely nothing but giving the retarded farmer an excuse to convince himself he doesn't have to do his least favorite thing. Actually invest into his business, maintain a clean facility, and take care of his animals.
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>ask question
>get answer
>lol didn't read
then why ask, moron?
>implying invasive red foxes arent as much of a burden on local birdlife as cats and rats in places like Australia and NZ
Are you actually this retarded or are you just roleplaying?
You are wrong.