What is this plant? I picked up this fallen leaf at Ikea. I looked up popular succulent plant and it's not in the list. I'm currently trying to grow it as how you would grow an aloe vera from a leaf.
What is this plant? I picked up this fallen leaf at Ikea.
brown recluse
I don't think there's a single wagie or guard retarded enough to stop me from taking a leaf off the ground in local large stores. Nobody gives a shit.
Since you've already gotten an answer, I wanted to say that I'm pretty sure that echeverias need a full leaf to propagate, and unfortunately your guy is missing the front portion that contains stem tissue that allows for propagation. Definitely still try to propagate it, but don't feel too bad if it dies.
It's the most succulent succulent. Enjoy raw with a dash of honey.
I'm calling the cops.
Pinching off I can understand, but picking up a fallen leaf is basically giving it another chance at life. It’s an IKEA so it will just end up in the trash.
I fully agree. Of course they don't want people pulling shit off the plants without buying them but if it's on the floor it's trash. The store wasn't going to prop those things themselves.
This is why I’m curious to see if it actually comes down to going to court, how much does the picking up a fallen leaf is theft thing stand.
Doesn't matter. It's still morally wrong to do. Would you be ok with me coming onto your property and rooting through your bins? Thought not.
I would mind you rummaging through my bin, but I certainly wouldn't mind giving you my trash before throwing it away if it serves you.
One man's trash is another man's treasure, yadda yadda.
the second I put trash into the bin I no longer consider it my property
its not my problem
Sure. As long as you don't leave it messy. Dig through all you want, but just make sure it all goes back in the bins after.
That's a bit different because rooting through my trash might teach you something about me as a person what with documents and eating habits and the number of condom wrappers etc.
If you knocked on my door and asked if you could have my potato peelings for propagation I would not have a problem with that.
Not sure about britbongistan but in the US trash is free to take as soon as it hits the curb.
you can't trespass to steal trash, but as soon as it leaves the private portion of the property it's free game. Cops love this. Just ask that dude that killed those girls in idaho.
Would you download a leaf?
The floor isn't a trash receptacle. It could be argued that it would be equivalent to taking shards of smashed ceramic if someone else broke a plate or pot in the store.
>it would be equivalent to taking shards of smashed ceramic
only if the smashed ceramic then regrows so you don't have to buy a ceramic yourself
But then someone that would steal a plant isn't going to buy anything anyways. If they were smart they'd give the cuttings out for free and sell people soil and pots. But then gays would just steal those too.
>If they were smart they'd give the cuttings out for free and sell people soil and pots.
This.
And then, stealing pots and soil would be actual theft.
Reminds me of the lawn conspiracy, when they removed clover seeds to make you buy weedkillers and many unneeded chemicals.
>And then, stealing pots and soil would be actual theft.
stealing plant leaves from the floor is actual theft, but it's probably not worth prosecuting.
Like going after the sorts of people that eat grapes in the produce section. Just not worth the bother.
Oh, I know.
Picking trash up is legally theft. But that's not morally theft.
You're not causing anything to someone by picking up fallen leaves, unless they plan to use it themselves, but in the case we're discussing they're obviously not.
It's like supermarkets destroying their unsold stocks of food just so hobos and shit can't eat them.
"If I can't sell it, nobody will have it"
>Like going after the sorts of people that eat grapes in the produce section.
In France you legally have the right to taste every food product before a purchase, so you can never be prosecuted for eating a grape.
Most people don't know it, and of course, supermarkets and shit will never tell you.
I dkn't know about other countries.
>You're not causing anything to someone by picking up fallen leaves, unless they plan to use it themselves
or it costs them business
the legal argument is if you wanted the plant and couldn't pick up leaves you'd have to buy one. So you're costing them your own potential business. That's theft.
It's the same argument about piracy.
People picking up seeds, people pirating stuff would have not bought it in the first place.
And like
said, they could make money out of pots and soils (or already fullgrown plants) which most people can't grow shit without.
It seems sensible, but it's not a strong argument if you think aboht it.
At this point you could sue me for hurting your business because I'd rather go to another supermarket to buy groceries, it's absurd.
Well, I can't say I am knowledgeable about US, but they seem really trigger happy, regarding prosecution for the most absurd shit.
Anyway I will keep growing my own scavenged shit, because I just love to see shit grow. And if I can help local species by spreading them around, I am not going to stop.
>At this point you could sue me for hurting your business because I'd rather go to another supermarket to buy groceries, it's absurd.
nah, because then you're not costing me business. You weren't going to shop at my place anyways. But if you come to my shop and find what you need on the floor and walk out, you're presumably costing me business.
Just because it's on the floor and ruined doesn't make it free to take. If that were true we'd be stomping on rib eyes every saturday.
>You weren't going to shop at my place anyways.
Yeah, that's exactly my point.
>Yeah, that's exactly my point.
it's not a great point, because if you're in my store taking leaves, you at least had some intention of shopping there.
Yeah, or maybe I am just visiting to see what you have and stumble upon a leaf I could save.
Maybe I was looking for something you don't have.
Maybe I was getting some shit and picking the leaf up was just an unplanned bonus.
Maybe picking this leaf up will make me buy a pot and soil for it, which I would not have bought otherwise.
I can imagine situations where it benefits you, and situations where it does not. No point in what ifs.
>I can imagine situations where it benefits you, and situations where it does not. No point in what ifs.
law deals with those what ifs though.
we both agree it's not morally wrong, we're just discussing how the stores and their lawyers see it.
if you had no intention of shopping, you wouldn't be there. Even if you do buy something, that's not justification for theft. Right? otherwise I'd buy an apple and walk out with a prime rib and an apple.
the other interesting question would be what if the leaf you picked up fell off a plant purchased by another customer? But that's still theft if it happens in the store, because now you don't need to buy that plant.
The problem with all the what-ifs is if you didn't gain anything from being in the store, you wouldn't be there. And taking a leaf is a gain to you even if the loss to the store is only hypothetical.
>we both agree it's not morally wrong
Oh, my bad, then. I was assuming you were defending stupid laws.
>if you didn't gain anything from being in the store, you wouldn't be there
True, but that does not mean I plan to buy things, I may just have come to look at things.
>ask permission
That's what I usually do.
>I may just have come to look at things.
this is also technically illegal in the US, but rarely enforced outside of large cities with a lot of homeless loiterers.
comparison shopping is of course legal, but you have some arbitrary time limit.
>this is also technically illegal in the US
What the fuck?
we have a lot of homeless people that will just hang out in a store if the weather outside is too hot or cold or wet or dry.
so being in a store with no intention of buying anything is against the law. Stores are careful not to enforce that law on potential customers, but you can tell by smell who's going to buy something and who isn't.
That sounds really backward, instead of taking care of the source of the problem, they try to act on its consequences.
But I guess dead hobos make less hobos. Or it makes them more desesperate and reckless.
>you can tell by smell
So is that why fat fucks wait to be inside the store to shart themselves?
>That sounds really backward, instead of taking care of the source of the problem, they try to act on its consequences.
yes, that's the US in a nutshell
It goes both ways though. The average american is extremely entitled and will rip you off any way they can. This goes double for the chronically homeless population.
I've lived here 50 years now and never seen anyone shart themselves in the mart. It probably happens, but I've never seen it. Our typical diet isn't conducive to great butt health.
That sounds like a terrible society.
Is it a self-feeding problem?
wages aren't high enough for unskilled people to survive here, and about half of our population is unskilled. If we took care of homeless people better, most of the country would decide to be homeless. I know I would. I could use a vacation.
What if we took care of everyone better?
Sounds like america is too fucked up, like actual dystopia-tier where you have to put everyone else down to stay afloat.
we're extremely productive because of the strong pressures to produce.
that's changing, the newer generations expect the government to take care of them without any effort on their part. Time will tell how that works out.
Should be both, imo.
Rewards so you work hard, but having gobermint as a security net so you don't starve just because your boss is a dick or because you got unlucky.
Let's hope for the best.
Damn, I wish I had free monies.
Would be better than my bullshit job, and just as productive, if not more.
Well, that got completely off-topic.
It's basically impossible to starve here, but a person could perhaps freeze to death if they try hard enough.
>Well, that got completely off-topic.
worth it to hear your thoughts.
an example of this
is Wauf.
most of the US users here live with their parents and collect government money for their autism or their schooling or both.
but when everyone is doing it, nobody is paying for it.
Sounds like the government doing the supermarket's job
the store will enforce the law up to a certain point. If they tell you to leave and you refuse, they're going to call the cops just to make sure it goes on your public record. Large stores employ security people. But they can't charge you with a crime or lock you in jail.
also a lot of homeless people may try to get arrested, in which case the store is doing them a favor. It can mean the difference between life and death on a cold enough night.
If you want to get around all that you can just ask permission.
See a leaf on the floor. Go get a customer associate and ask if you can have it. They shrug and say, "Sure, why not?"
then if anyone complains, Joe in Home and Garden gets fired and you get your leaf.
Or if you really want to be a Karen, take the leaf up to the register and ask them to ring it up. If they ring it up as a plant just say you changed your mind and don't want it. 9 times out of 10 they're going to call the manager and he's gonna tell you to take your leaf and go.
leaves get swept away into the trash and wasted. In my opinion it's only theft if you actually take a healthy attached leaf off a plant instead of a fallen one
again, just because they plan on throwing it away doesn't make it legal for you to take.
The law may be stupid, but it's not vague. In the US there is nothing you can find on private property and take without permission. That is theft. Even if they plan on throwing it away.
>I dkn't know about other countries.
in practice nobody in the US is going to prosecute over a grape or two, that's terrible PR. They could, but they won't. Probably the same with taking leaves off the floor. Could prosecute but I seriously doubt anyone will.
I used to a work at Ikea and nobody gave a shit, hell I stole some
fuck you I do this at every store I go to try and stop me
I have one of these fuckers. It's a type of common echeveria and it's the easiest succulent I've ever had the pleasure of propagating
Thank you for the help anon.
Also, since you’ve propagated them before, does this look right to you? I stuck it about an inch into the soil. I didn’t water it so it only has the moisture from the soil when it’s still in the bag.
Don't stick them vertically, just lay them horizontally on the soil and cover a tiny bit when the toots come out. It's gonna waste a lot of strength and time growing upwards buried like this.
Thanks for the advice. I hope that they will make it.