What are the strict requirements for any given animal to become advanced to the same degree humans are?

What are the strict requirements for any given animal to become advanced to the same degree humans are? I think bare minimum they need

>High intelligence/Sapience
>A lifespan that is long enough to make USE of that intelligence and make it worth something. Sorry octopus
>Dexterity sufficient for tool usage
>Language. Not just regular animal communication, but ACTUAL language that allows for the expression of abstract ideas
>WRITTEN language, without which knowledge cannot slowly build and be passed on over generations
>Agriculture—if your species is forced to spend 90% of its time looking for food and there aren't at least some members who don't need to worry about it and thus have time to think and experiment, your society won't get off the ground

What else is needed?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Agriculture—if your species is forced to spend 90% of its time looking for food and there aren't at least some members who don't need to worry about it and thus have time to think and experiment, your society won't get off the ground
    Hunter-gatherers spend 4 to 5 hours a day on securing resources on average. Agriculture actually forced us to work more and the human lifespan halved at first due to how difficult it was. It only became useful on the long term after a few technological advancements were made and we figured out artificial selection.
    Also, if you are a small animal with a much lower need for food, there is no point on storing large amounts, so I don't see why it would be necessary at all. There's a reason why non-carnivorous birds spend far more time roosting and grooming themselves than they do actually searching for food.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Agriculture actually forced us to work more and the human lifespan halved at first due to how difficult it was. It only became useful on the long term after a few technological advancements were made and we figured out artificial selection.
      you're close.

      notice technological advancement took millions of years back when people had lots of spare time.

      once they had to work constantly, rates of advancement went up millions of times in speed and volume.

      there is no reason to think a hunter gather society would ever reach modern levels of advancement. It has literally never happened.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >notice technological advancement took millions of years back when people had lots of spare time.
        >once they had to work constantly, rates of advancement went up millions of times in speed and volume.
        This is a chicken and egg situation. You can say that agriculture and hard work led to faster advancement, but it might have been exactly the other way around, or there might be a third factor that forced both of those things to happen at the same time, we can't know for sure.

        • 1 year ago
          Renewable energy fag

          >we can't know for sure.
          sure we can and I've already told you why

          are you a chatbot or just stupid?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Scrap written language. There are plenty of ancient human civilizations that did fine and lasted for thousands of years without written language
    >b-but savages, but t-this but that!!!!
    Get out of your colonizing, low-iq, western mind-set you fricking honkey, a civilization doesn't have to invent the computer to be considered such.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      based moron

      OP didn't ask what they'd need to build a civilization

      he asked what they need to advance to human levels. Implying modern human technology, not stone age stuff.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just had to.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it's a good point.

      another good point that I don't have a comic to illustrate is the fact that corvids have had at least 10x longer than apes to achieve human levels of intelligence and never did it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        corvids are more intelligent than the average human

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yep.

          but they haven't produced an evolving technology or a system to learn it. And they probably never will.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The thing about hominids is that we might be a fluke, we almost went extinct and even on modern homosexual sapiens it took very long for us to advance in tech but at some point it became a snowball and we built civilizations, leveled mountains and altered the entire planet in a very short time. Maybe if we had 100 planets similar to Earth and populate them with apes none of them will evolve into a global civilization.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Maybe if we had 100 planets similar to Earth and populate them with apes none of them will evolve into a global civilization.
          seems likely. Even now most people are just dead weight on the evolution of human technology.
          It's a weird thing, what we've done. Hard to say how weird it is, but lots of other animals had tens of millions of years to do it and didn't.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            There were several other species that reached human level intelligence but we killed them all because they were competition for resources.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I doubt we killed them all. In fact we have genes of at least 2 other hominids in out DNA. Just look at Wauf humans will frick anything. Every hole is a goal. Probably a bunch of other hominids died due to not adapting to the changes in the world or being limited to a small area meaning they could easily be wiped by local events.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think Neanderthals and Denisovans should be considered distinct species from us since it is proven we had viable offspring and hybridized.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That definition of species that they teach in schools is not true, it is just something simple you can teach kids. In many animals there is reduced fertility due to disparity in chromosome numbers but even those can produce viable offspring in rare cases. There are other animals and plants that are fertile hybrids, even hybrids from different genera triticale is an hybrid of wheat and rye and those are not even in the same genera. There are a bunch of articles and studies on this topic, here is one but there are more (google "Spontaneous whole-genome duplication restores fertility in interspecific hybrids" because Wauf thinks the link is spam)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            On the other hand there might have been a non-human civilization millions of years before us and we just don't know about it https://www.discovery.com/exploration/Advanced-Civilization-Silurian-Hypothesis
            In hundreds of millions of years all signs of our civilization would be gone and a new intelligent species might arise and wonder why no other life-form developed a civilization before them.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    also need fire. even the stone age never really got going until people were able to fire treat flint. And of course metal work is out of the question without fire.

    modern human tech of course relies entirely on fire to produce electricity, which is just another very refined sort of fire.

    this rules out octopi and dolphins and anything else in an environment where fire isn't possible.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    social behavior. Most humans can't do anything they need to in order to survive. We rely on the skills of a few to keep everyone going and advance technology.

    They also need religious or spiritual thought, to delude themselves into thinking there's some reason for all the hard work and suffering, and to keep antisocial types in line or out of the breeding pool.

    also probably war. Nature alone doesn't challenge animals enough to account for human advancement. We got this way because we preyed on each other. Nature isn't going to build man traps and engage in strategic thinking. That's other intelligent creatures driving evolution by constantly trying to kill you.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Long lasting parental care

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They need to eat meat. Can't get enough nutrition to evolve a real brain of all you want is plants. So carnivores, omnivores, and aven scavengers will always btfo herbivores

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Octopi wouldn't be morons if they had iron based blood instead of copper based.

      https://i.imgur.com/KuU05Wn.jpg

      What are the strict requirements for any given animal to become advanced to the same degree humans are? I think bare minimum they need

      >High intelligence/Sapience
      >A lifespan that is long enough to make USE of that intelligence and make it worth something. Sorry octopus
      >Dexterity sufficient for tool usage
      >Language. Not just regular animal communication, but ACTUAL language that allows for the expression of abstract ideas
      >WRITTEN language, without which knowledge cannot slowly build and be passed on over generations
      >Agriculture—if your species is forced to spend 90% of its time looking for food and there aren't at least some members who don't need to worry about it and thus have time to think and experiment, your society won't get off the ground

      What else is needed?

      Ultimate apples and oranges. The only way we gauge and quantify intelligence is by comparing it to human intelligence, and we're talking about forms of life that diverged a LONG time ago. Human intelligence cannot be a yard stick to define what is "intelligent" or not, only what thinks most like a human. Crows might be ahead on this one because they thrive around humans, and that they've adopted characteristic behavior of human intelligence through sheer proximity and numbers.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        based moron

        OP didn't ask how to make them as intelligent as us.
        He asked how to make them as advanced.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >WRITTEN language, without which knowledge cannot slowly build and be passed on over generations
    Humans used oral tradition for thousands of years anon, they developed agriculture without written language.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Humans used oral tradition for thousands of years anon

      Yeah do you see the fricking problem? If they had books it wouldn't take that goddamn long. And nevermind how long it takes, certain knowledge can ONLY reasonably be stored through books. I'm sorry but great grand-pappy's 2nd hand account from 200 years ago is not fricking sufficient, vitally important details will be constantly forgotten without a written language. You NEED to write this shit down or 99% of your civilization's knowledge will disappear with the decay of time and the inevitability of unreliable account.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How much dexterity is needed I think it is often overrated You need enough dexterity to make tools, if you can make tools and have enough intelligence you can split atoms, it will only simpler or more complicated depending on your body plan and task so for some tasks you will need to make tools to manipulate other tools.
        Vikings had metallurgy and advanced construction techniques without written language and even today when we can store terabites of information in objects the size of a postal seal a lot of our knowledge and know how is lost because the way we used to make things changed and the people who knew how to do it the old way die.
        An animal could develop traps and ways to acquire food more efficiently or explore resources they didn't normally. For example nets for fishing allowing for a small number of individuals to feed the entire community, a trap for catching flies that normally would be too small and sparse to use as food source for a crow for example. Flying animals like crows could use fishing nets in the air instead of in the water and capture flying animals like bugs, other birds or bats.
        Ravens seems to be domesticating wolves before agriculture while in humans it was the other way around. They use the wolves to kill prey too big for them to take down by themselves.

        They need to eat meat. Can't get enough nutrition to evolve a real brain of all you want is plants. So carnivores, omnivores, and aven scavengers will always btfo herbivores

        Most smart animals are carnivores or omnivores but there are exceptions like parrots. If the animal have access to nuts and other nutrient rich plant food source that could be feasible but it is unlikely for an animal that feeds mostly on grass.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Hey go split an atom you b***h, you have hands, right? Go dig up some uranium somewhere and try to smelt it / gassify it / enrich it.
          >uhh uhh i just need a machining shop that i can make out of steel that i make out of river iron or something

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