We don't need to eat animals anymore. This doesn't need to happen.

We don't need to eat animals anymore. This doesn't need to happen.

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    Anonymous

    >We don't need to eat animals
    >need

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, NEED. Consumptionism is the number one virus killing Humanity, and it starts with addiction to meat.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Piss off with this schizobabble. Reproduction is the only problem. Too much of it from the wrong dicks.

        This applies to all life.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          The planet is perfectly capable of sustaining a vegetarian lifestyle for up to 12 billion people.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        you do not eat entirely locally-grown non-animal products, you would be severely malnourished
        you are the part of the same system easily fooled into pretending you're not

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not eating meat makes you docile.It's all about control. They want all world population to turn into yes sarr Indians. Simple as.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      How does eating meat make you "woke"? Every fatass in america eats hamburgers.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Animal proteins dull the brain and weaken muscles. Humans evolved to eat plant proteins.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Animal proteins dull the brain and weaken muscles
          Holy cope.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        As much as I hate americans I admit they're one step ahead, cultivated meat is approved for sale in the US.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      industrial chickens may not eat insects at all, they get fed gmo slop

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    let me guess, they showed you factory farming to represent all farmers, into guilting you into not eating meat

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    Can anyone give some vague tips on how to find "based" vegan deep web stuff

    You know when you want to do some gaming with the property of farmers and stuff?

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    All of these posts and yet the biggest meat eating SNAFU hasn’t been addressed - nearly all nutritional benefits from meat can be substituted by a non-animal source
    >b-but amino acids
    Not nearly as difficult to acquire as people say, rice and beans can accomplish this
    >b-but vitamin b12
    Can be very easily supplemented
    >b-but iron
    Spinach, legumes, whole grain foods

    Since animal products can be substituted with non-animal products we do not kill and eat animals out of necessity. We kill and eat animals for pleasure - ie because they taste good. Consequently there is no difference from eating animals, to murdering puppies for fun because either way you are killing animals unnecessarily

    Thus eating animals is wrong (if you live in a developed country where food is plentiful) because it entails killing that isn’t necessary

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Begs the question. Livestock animals have no moral value. They have no souls and are not individuals. You can not murder them by definition. They are harvested like grain.

      >JUST RELY ON THE GLOBAL ECONOMY TO EAT BRO
      I care about the planetary system, not the non-lives of animate objects and their imagined suffering. Therefore i eat locally grown meat. ONE truck or container ship is too much. End fossil fuels. End the myth of veganism being possible. It’s a myth spread not for anyones good but the pyramid scheme topping elites who 1: want infinite population growth 2: know this is not possible unless the majority of revenue generating consoomers (they work for something and exchange the imaginary money for nothing, LMAO) eats plant based fortified kibble.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they have no moral value
        So then that means you should have no problem with someone torturing animals for fun, having sex with them, abusing them, etc. After all, animals have no moral value. If someone tortured a stray kitten or puppy for fun you should be the one defending them

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I didn’t want to regale you with the tldr. The animals life itself has no more value but they also function as tests of character because as more primitive automatons they share our basic alarm and avoidance behaviors despite not being conscious of them. So animal torture is an effective way to determine of someone has any empathy at all.

          Normally functioning humans are meant to be disturbed by animal torture, but are cognizant of the fact that killing them is fine because they have no conscious mind and do not comprehend death. They only mechanically react to pain. If someone is fine with animal torture they are able to suppress their social instincts or lack them, but this is not true of peaceful slaughter. If you have any theory of mind it is clear from the first shot that cattle can not comprehend death, only screaming and the scent of blood.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is something vegans dont quite understand

            a normal person’s concept of animal rights is their own right not to be bothered by instinctive reactions to screaming, writhing, etc. as we still have the basic animal mind underlying our consciousness we have no choice but to have a visceral response to these things. we are frail and social pursuit predators and require an instinctive aversion to slow deaths both to dispatch our prey as fast as we can and to preserve each other.

            it is not about the animals. it’s about farmhands not being freaked out and injured by a struggling cow. the cow doesn’t care if it dies quietly even if it just watched other cows die, but we care if it struggles. its self evident the most they have is shock at sudden stimuli.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            We kill so many animals we should test this properly

            Take two animals. Bloodlessly and instantly kill one with a device while the second watches. verify that it is dead by trying to rouse it and allowing animal 2 to inspect it. Approach animal two with the device at the ready and go through the motions to kill it. If it fears you, it is wrong to kill that animal because it is essentially a moronic sterile person.

            I bet golden retrievers would fail and huskies would pass lmao. Cows have already inconsistently failed this test and we could terminate the bloodlines of the ones that pass. Pigs, horses, and goats would probably pass. Chickens would not just fail, they’d start eating the corpse.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            None of what you said matters. 200 years ago normally functioning humans were okay with slavery as an institution. Before that (and even now) normally functioning humans were okay with an authoritarian ruler appointed by God. Today, normally functioning humans would be repulsed at the idea of finding feet sexually attractive yet no one would seriously call it immoral

            If you do not believe animals have moral value you should have no issue with someone torturing them for fun, abusing them, having sex with them, etc. Under your worldview there should be nothing morally wrong with that regardless of what the norms are.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Animals have no moral value except as a cheap means of testing you for the presence of basic social instincts. It is not they that has the moral value, but your own tendencies. If you tend to torture you are untrustworthy. If you tend to humane slaughter you are normal. If you tend to treating them as if they were your own species, you are a threat for you may put our needs below the imagined wants of a non-life.

              No one cares about the animal being tortured. We’re worried that you seem to enjoy screaming, writhing, and struggling despite your nature as a flimsy social pursuit hunter being meant to bias you towards clean kills.

              Only humans matter. Morality is based on the group’s survival.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I posit this:
      There is as much material proof for ANY killing of animals being wrong as there is for any other pseudo religious statement like “only carnivores have souls”. It’s pure nonsense based on the feelings of a sheltered white manchild who lives off the backs of stronger, more masculine black and brown men who slaughter wildlife to make room to grow his precious kale.

      You also failed to consider many bugs show no more signs of consciousness than fricking trees and yet of all the things on earth only a dozen animals show anything resembling a mind

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It has been adressed just about a million times already. The 'nutrients' you find in plant products are not as high as you think, and nowhere near as easily absorbed as from animal sources. It is the reason vegans break down physically and mentally. You cannot get Taurine, DHA, D3, heme iron, carnosine, creatine, vitamin A or B12 from any non-meat sources. And other nutrients you can only get in very scant quantities if at all depending on where you live.
      >We kill and eat animals for pleasure
      No, we eat them to sustain ourselves. We have been eating meat for millions of years. You are moronic and deluding yourself with emotional nonsense.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this homie doesn't know about seaweed
        nta but seaweed

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Vitamin A
        Uh, yeah you can. If you eat too many carrots your skin turns orange. As for
        >bioavailability
        you just need to eat fats or cook them, or eat multiples of them if you’re eating them raw
        >Creatine
        Is a meme. You barely get any creatine from meat anyways. Your body synthesizes it through amino acids. So long as you get enough protein you’re fine
        >Carnosine
        Can be substituted with beta-Alanine from onions or beans and lentils. Once again, get enough protein
        >Heme-iron
        Don’t actually need, non-heme iron is fine
        >Taurine
        Body synthesizes it through cysteine. Same as creatine just get enough protein

        Only things that actually matter in your post are B12 and D3. D3 you can get from sunlight and technically lichen as well as fortified foods but it is one of the more difficult vitamins to obtain. And B12. Both of these can be easily supplemented

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sometimes I can't tell if a poster is really this dumb or they are just shitposting to frick with me.

          >this homie doesn't know about seaweed
          nta but seaweed

          There's nothing magical about seaweed. You're still just eating fiber.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >noooooo you literally can't access the nutrients in seaweed at all fibrous vegetation is not valid!!!!
            goober

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like eating meat, frick em. Its literally a bloody cow you homosexual. We are literally given divine right above them by the gods lol.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Grandiose delusion.

      https://i.imgur.com/KmNBJhi.jpg

      Because we dont bite stuff to death we poke it you absolute dumb c**t. If we weren't meant to eat meat we wouldn't be doing it.

      moron.
      Humans bodies adapted to consume both plant and animal products. Our teeth and digestive system are versatile, allowing us to process a wide range of foods.
      Culturally speaking, our dietary choices are influenced by factors such as tradition, geography and beliefs. Different societies have developed diverse diets, including those that are primarily vegetarian, while others heavily incorporate meat.
      From a nutritional standpoint, a well-balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can also provide these nutrients through plant-based sources.
      Your old and busted theories get debunked every day, give up.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meat eaters are taller smarter and longer lived once you remove the confounding “rich white people trying to attone for using child prostitutes by going vegan” effect.
        >some dogs are yapping rats and some are still wild wolves its totes natural is ought!
        Yes but the wolves are superior and the yapping rats need the whole planet to work together to feed them.

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    yummy

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      Anonymous

      >*slap*
      >"JUST DEAL WITH IT"
      >*slap*

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is that his actual mugshot? Also, fricking boomers. I'd happily break the spine of anyone that did this while I was eating.

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    Anonymous

    I definitely acknowledge the horrors of industrialized food. I wish it was easier for us to all have a piece of land to grow and harvest our own animals. I'd be much comfortable with culling an animal I was able to give a good life, than to service the food industry. But I don't have the economic means to make that happen at the moment.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Legumes are cheaper than meat and fish

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Listen, listen. Vegans are morally correct in this scenario. They are, they're right. If we can mass produce labgrown meat, it is morally imperative to replace your diet with it.
    But.
    I love chicken. I love chicken so fricking much. If you are in front of me, and you try to take my chicken, I am going to bite a chunk off your neck, and tell you to leave. If you don't leave me alone I'm going to eat you.
    Chicken have less brain function than a fricking insect. I am not going to sacrifice my pleasure for something that short circuits by looking at a line drawn on the ground

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trying to convince people to become vegetarian that weren't already going to is a lost cause. America has already trained everyone to be sociopaths to adapt to its slavery system.

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    Anonymous

    [...]

    What is that? At least it looks instantaneous which is a little better than some of the shit I've seen.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      A zapper, piggy makes contact with both prongs at the sides and ascends to heaven

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well I don't like the mocking tone you're using, but that sort of quick death is at least a little more humane than some shit I've seen.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Well I don't like the mocking tone you're using

        • 5 months ago
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          >Well I don't like the mocking tone you're using
          NTA, but you need to go back

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    >you'll die from cance-
    don't care
    >bu-
    don't care. every single other thing on this earth eats meat, even herbivorous animals. a horse will not think twice about eating a bird or a chick off the ground just because he felt hungry in that moment. i will continue eating meat. it is yummy.

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    death is normal and isnt that bad. animals eat each other all the time. if a bear ate me I wouldnt be mad at the bear. frankly I think to balance things out they should release predatory animals in the streets every once in a while to even the playing field.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if a bear ate me I wouldnt be mad at the bear
      lmao cuck mentality

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sure just make cannibalism legal

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cannibalism isn't illegal.
      https://www.vice.com/en/article/gykmn7/legal-ethical-cannibalism-human-meat-tacos-reddit-wtf

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just because you don't need to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Animals can be tasty and nourishing, and properly including them in your diet is healthy. Don't be sad about the pain they suffer at the end, be glad that they ever got a chance to born and live in the first place (especially for cattle animals).

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like if the industry is working on such slim margins to the point where the animals are being killed so haphazardly leading to immense suffering on their part, maybe it just shouldn't exist?
    I mean it sucks if you can't afford expensive meat, I probably couldn't afford it myself outside of rare occasions but it seems really fricking vile that we turn a blind eye to this suffering all in the name of slim profits

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Completely correct. Anyone saying it's not morally wrong to kill and eat animals is coping. I still do it because I don't care that much about them.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      morality based on what? your religion? my religion says they are objects. reality corroborates. they are not other minds. they are machines.

      no language no mind. no god no morals.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        this homie never read the book of enoch

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but
          >he thinks only Abrahamism is the only form of religion to see animals by what they actually are aka less than even the lesser of humans
          Lmao

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            on nuWauf it's always abrahamic or a larp

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We don't need to eat animals anymore.
    I don't need to eat a lot of things, like literally anything that tastes good, but I do and will continue to do so.
    >This doesn't need to happen.
    You having access to the internet doesn't need to happen, but it still does.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder that torturing animals is wrong but killing them is ok

    They don’t understand mortality. Only pain and the scent of blood and adrenaline. If an animal displays care for its own mortality then do not eat that species. Leave them alone. Chances are, they were a shitty food source and humanity has known not to eat them for many centuries.

    Yknow, like pigs, dogs, and dolphins. And now we also know whales care and are off the menu. Chickens and cows? Infamously dumb.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ambivalent reminder that animals aren't ethical agents so their welfare isn't important, ours is.

      Torture them if you want but it's not very practical in industrial-scale slaughter and you'll probably feel terrible doing it. China has yet to implode, despite all their practices and seldom but weird torture-inclined treatments of animals.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        How are you even on Wauf? Seek medical help

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did I encourage torment of animals?
          I just specified that they aren't really protected like we are in some philosophies and in some cultures.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based on what god

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Um, rational treatises, not gods

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like eating some burgers now just to stick it to pussy-ass vegans.

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      Premarital Preening

      lmao. What is this from?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        An obese variation of a McDonald's Japan ad.

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eating bugs or plants doesn't solve any of our problems.

    The artificial meat patties are literal fricking poison: https://youtu.be/CTJj6Gjw7YU?si=TaoneQ5KWlLvgC9K

    Eating bugs is also a horrendous idea: https://youtu.be/L8e0pU92dmI?si=BoVONA6SDJT9otYi

    We were designed to eat meat, we're omnivores. We need protein in our diets. It's not evil for carnivores or omnivores to eat meat, that's just how we evolved/were designed.

    So I'm gonna go make a t-bone steak I wouldn't have eaten if you didn't make this thread. Congrats OP, you killed a cow. I'm gonna make one for my dog too, so I guess that's two you killed. Every time you post I'll eat another article of meat or order something for someone I know via doordash. By posting these moronic threads you are willfully causing the consumption of meat. Your only solution is to shut the frick up.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yours is the standard salty reply of a sensitive omnivore

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        This chart is so fricking moronic. I hate when someone posts some monkey's mouth and goes "Look! See? This thing's a vegetarian probably!"

        Meanwhile actual chimps: https://youtu.be/sprPV_q79RM?si=gtT2lq1c-yb0oXhU

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          How many times do you need to be told that primates are facing habitat loss and are resorting to cannibalism?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Different species
            >cannibalism
            You don't know what words even mean.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Chimpanzees have always done that. Primates are omnivores. Chimps even use tools to spear other smaller monkeys to hunt. Granted, they don't cook it like we do so it's a little more ruthless and brutal, but they're still able to eat meat. It's a simple fact of reality. If meat was not meant to be ingested we couldn't digest it. Take cellulose and lignin for example. Very few things can eat it. Termites and other herbivores for example can. They are specialized for it. You need a very particular gut microbiome that can break down the tough material and turn it into something the body can use. This is why vegans often need dietary and vitamin supplements. Because can digest some plant material, but we can't digest the cellulose like herbivores. So we get a gimped version of it.

            So if meat eating was unnatural for an animal there'd be no way it could digest it. How do we know? Take a venus flytrap. It can only eat things with chitin (such as insects) due to its acid being based on a fungal fighting agent. If you give it meat it'll just rot and the leaf will fall off. So it's not reasonable to claim that it's unnatural when the very fact that these animals can eat meat and that many are even specialized for it means that it very much is natural. Eating other animals as a food source has been around since the dawn of life. Microscopic things do it even.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >have always done that
              It wasn't observed until the 1980's.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If I didn't see it, it wasn't happening!

                This is like how for years we were told praying mantises always eat their mates, and then it turned out this was moron "scientists" observing them in captivity where the male had no way to escape. Turns out in the wild the male typically leaves after mating, the female only eats him if he sticks around, in order to protect the young.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mantids were a bad example. They get cannibalized so often they sometimes even sacrifice themselves and die while still copulating and giving her a meal increases the odds of breeding her. And their lifespans are so short anyway it doesn't matter if they die. Some get away but most get eaten. Sexual cannibalism is a thing that can be advantageous to some insects.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, if there is no evidence of something previously and then suddenly we start noticing it after habitat loss, we can conclude it is the result of the thing we saw change.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't notice you were gay until I caught you with a dick in your mouth, does that mean you weren't gay all along?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh so you're just a troll and going to ignore the several examples I gave where unnatural diets literally could not be digested by things and just go "well they didnt see chimps do it until the 80s so it didnt exist until then". Oh well then.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Already BTFO. Imagine continuing to lie rather than respond to truth! Almost like you know you have no fricking argument.

        [...]

        If you can not personally refute “the science”, if you can’t even paraphrase and cite, you have literally not one thought in your tiny homosexual head. None. You are at the level of a flat earther or creationist.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Vegans are by definition narcissists
          Narcissists are not interested in arguing

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're unreasonably hateful towards people who made a choice abd defend it, providing data and studies. The real narcissist is you.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hate for vegans isn’t unreasonable. They actively encore their fellow man to be unhealthy. They are a threat.

              Narcissists tend to care about animals more than people. I don’t.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pure schizo rambling.
                You have a strong bias against vegans and generalize a lot.
                >unhealthy
                Sure buddy.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

                I don't see one single post calling out anons that boast about eating hamburgers full of saturated fat and cholesterol.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >unhealthy
                Yeah buddy. Nice dated, poorly controlled study. Meat eaters live longer. Here’s the new one that addressed methodology concerns.
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Actual science

                Pure schizo rambling.
                You have a strong bias against vegans and generalize a lot.
                >unhealthy
                Sure buddy.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

                I don't see one single post calling out anons that boast about eating hamburgers full of saturated fat and cholesterol.

                An organization with an agenda making a statement in a world where it is the cultural norm for “experts” to lie for their perceived “greater good” (or just appearances).

                I wonder who I will trust. Scientists with data, or figureheads with opinions?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Meat eaters live longer
                Bullshit.
                Diet alone is not the main factor attributable to a longer life expectancy. I'm not disputing that.

                Read more about my article that here:
                https://vegstudies.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_ethik_wiss_dialog/JAND_2015.05_Position_of_the_academy_of_nutrition_and_dietetics_vegetarian_diets..pdf

                >dated
                Like clockwork, I knew you would objected that it's from 2016 but that's not how it works. Positive positions about the vegan diet being made in the past can only reinforce even more the new arguments in its favor.
                Meanwhile.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37968628/
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10060708/
                https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2021/red-meat-colorectal-cancer-genetic-signature

                I'd like to inform you that as per usual the goalposts are moved to shift the attention to environmental/health issues perhaps as a form of self-talk that exonerates you from the suffering we inflict daily on animals.

                Actual science

                [...]
                An organization with an agenda making a statement in a world where it is the cultural norm for “experts” to lie for their perceived “greater good” (or just appearances).

                I wonder who I will trust. Scientists with data, or figureheads with opinions?

                >muh conspiracy

                What I posted was data too. Bye.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                “The organization supports the current global warming scare trans rights whatever”
                Vs
                “Multivariate analysis of over 170 countries shows people who eat meat live longer”

                Who will I trust?

                >data being wrong in the past bolsters incorrect assumptions in the future
                Data that is wrong has been refuted because it is a conclusion drawn from flawed methodology. In dietary science, the only group of foods that consistently correlates with longer lifespans is animal fats and proteins aka meat and dairy. Coincidentally the thing humans evolved to eat and the only food we can fully digest following gut flora extinction or without cooking. Who knew.

                I’m not putting stock in correlations unless they are done to the standard of that study. The world is confounding. Most people available to western researches combine red meat with processed foods and carbs. How red meat is prepared affects its nutritional profile. “Red meat” in the US also means mcpatties and sausage. Tell me why blacks are worse off here?
                US mortality rates attributable to HTN increased by an average of 34%, with significantly higher rates among Black individuals (56.7 per 10,000 non-Hispanic Black men) compared with White counterparts (25.7 per 10,000 non-Hispanic White men

                It’s because a black American who eats red meat most likely eats junk isn’t it? The study didn’t control for culture and food preparation. Might as well say vegans are more likely to have tapeworms based on people who eat freshly harvested salad in mexico.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                ALL of the meat i eat is beef and my blood pressure is hilariously and consistently low. I do not eat cured meats, and my steaks are flash frozen to sterilize and cooked rare in the oven, not grilled. It’s just another case of “studying anything in america correlates it with obesity”.

                The second link admits they don’t know what’s actually going on but it might be linked to the composition and preparation of burgers. Kek.

                If something causes something else you can’t avoid it with lifestyle factors. Period. Something causes cancer or it does not. Something causes heart disease or it does not.

                You can not eat a significant amount candy and bacon daily and be healthy. It’s literally not possible. But if meat isn’t harming me, the correlation is second or third order and it’s something else.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Narcissists tend to care about animals more than people.
                ... wat?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                People are animals too. Someone who cares about animals but not people is mentally ill.
                t. a threatening vegetarian.

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If anyone's interested to see things from a different perspective.

    https://www.carnismdebunked.com/

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see perspectives. I see data.
      https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1087049/full
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/
      https://justmeat.co/docs/homo-carnivorus-barry-groves-md.pdf

      Post the real scientific, phd-sourced data from that website because I don't feel like flipping through propaganda trying to justify a pseudo-religious position based on belief in souls and immaterial goodness AKA karma. Vegans are larping half-assed hindus, and I will never respect them.

      >So you admit we need meat?
      No, I didn't. Humans wouldn't need it, but realistically in the future there will be omnivore people who will never want to switch to vegeterian/vegan, so they will want to consume it. Also for obligate carnivores like cat, that we domesticated. Veganism is NOT an option for them. I am for regressing their status as wild animals if I have to be honest.
      Yes, Earth cannot host so many people, and a response to reduce the CO2 emissions from the meat consumption is either stopping eating meat/fish (easy and doable) or get the help from science to grow it in labs.
      >animal that can't comprehend numbers higher than two.
      Animals have the same rights to exist than you, maybe even more. We as humans are a young, immature species. The Earth would continue to exist with our without us, but certainly it would be in a better state without our existence.
      Tell me, what do we do for the ecosystem? Nothing. We produce and pollute.

      The rest of your post is pure delusion and aimless speech.
      You need to do some research and open your eyes.

      >Humans wouldn't need it
      Humans are obligate carnivores. If you are human, you need meat to survive. Otherwise you are effectively sick, relying on society to support you through a situation where in nature you would die within a few months. Claiming that humans do not need meat to survive is similar to claiming that humans do not need to cure cancer or any illnesses whatsoever because they can tough it out without actually ridding themselves of the disease. If veganism is not illness, then many things aren't! Schizophrenic? You could live 100 years with social support such as your daily meds so you are fine.
      >Earth can not support so many people
      CO2 emissions from meat would be negligible if the population dwindled back to carrying capacity and could currently be cut by 20% without anyone eating any less. Livestock is only 7% of global GHG emissions as it is. Nothingburger.

      Focus on an issue that actually matters, like chinese coal plants, or the automobile industry and car dependence.

      >infertile chicken eggs
      Male chicks are put on a conveyor belt and thrown into an incinerator a few hours after being hatched.
      >naturally expired animals
      Some vegans eat roadkill.

      >Male chicks are put on a conveyor belt and thrown into an incinerator a few hours after being hatched.
      In some factory farms. This does not apply to all eggs.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you need to go vegan to save the planet
        No. You need to shut down a coal plant and buy a bicycle. Maybe then we can focus on 0-waste livestock farming because right now waste goes as high as 20%.

        If the human population dwindled this would be even less of a big deal as GHG emissions and all other forms of pollution scale with the population, or you live like a dirt farmer if you aren't a member of the soviet party.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >right now waste goes as high as 20%.
          It's more depressing. It's likely closer to 50% really. The agriculture, land use and waste part only accounts for raising/growing and harvesting it seems. From the farm to packaging to distribution to selling to buying to actually consuming, it ends up about half the food is thrown out, spoils, or is just uneaten. For instance, a farm may ship one ton of strawberries to the packaging facility, but the facility will sort them by shape and color, and food that doesn't meet the criteria of being sellable (it has to look nice, basically), is most often just thrown out. Some might be salvaged for other purposes but the a LOT is not. Then packaging the strawberries often incurs loss as they are pretty fragile. Then shipping losses. Then sitting at the grocery, rarely do they sell 100%; the rest are given to food banks if lucky, but most often just thrown out. Then it goes to homes where consumers throw shit out all the time.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            And now imagine the waste of land used for growing crops to feed on animals that are then killed and eaten by us

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >sellable (it has to look nice, basically), is most often just thrown out
            that makes literally zero sense, you fricking moron. why wouldnt they just use that stuff for jams, preserves, juices, canned, pickled, pies, breads, pastries, you know places that dont actually care about the appearance of the food because its getting processed in a factory by a machines into pulps and doesnt care that the carrot is all curled or the strawberry is split, its getting mulched for the flavor.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Humans are obligate carnivores
        Lmao get a load of this dude
        Do you want to be taken seriously?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Global warming scares are fake and gay lol. The elites want to keep Antarctica frozen so we dont get curious about it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kys flat earther. You should be put to death.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Im not a flat earther moron. Earth is not flat or round it's a self contained realm. The earth has no quantifiable shape that you could understand. Its not a fricking ball or disk floating around in "space" you dumb c**t.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >i'm going to be the quirkiest earth shape conspiracist on the globe!
              sure thing buster

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Earth must be [round/flat]! Because I saw it [on TV/online]!!! SO TRUE CHUDBROS I HECKING LOVE ["SCIENCE"/SCHIZOPHRENIA]!!!

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >math is propaganda now
                it's extremely easy to test the curvature

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ik its round lmfao Im busting your balls.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                i only respond just in case anybody reading is actually that moronic

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Zomg u r so brave to stand up against those flatchuds basedsister!!!

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Admit you're out of arguments, schizo troll.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      i've posted three times in this thread (hint: none of my posts were multi-paragraph)
      i'm not here to argue with you
      i'm here to poke fun at you

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah we call those "trolls", newbie. Welcome to Wauf

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          you assumed i was an individual you had been arguing with when in fact i was not arguing with you
          how, pray tell, could i be "out of arguments schizo troll" when I never presented any?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >can't come up with an argument to my post
            >too afraid to quote directly
            >says something about a commonly used term being a prerogative of pedos
            >whines because gets called a troll
            Also I wasn't arguing with anyone in the first place, specifically.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              nobody says "yummy" without taking the piss. it is not a common term.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                You sound legit delusional man, stop already and contribute to the discussion or stfu.

                lolno, veganism only works because of globalism, the moment civilization collapses, youre fricked

                Veganism works better than what we have now. The future is cultivated meat; intensive farming is no longer sustainable.
                Also the topic is about the suffering of animals being killed for food, as per usual you're beating around the bush ignoring the main topic. Typical straw man to convince yourself that you are right.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >veganism works
                No it does not. Vegans are dysfunctional.
                You got BTFO already by several people. ctrl+f it.

                You were instructed on how to eat a healthy diet without trying to cure your mental illness. ctrl+f it.

                >The future is cultivated meat
                So you admit we need meat? But no it isn't. The future is population reduction. The earth is over carrying capacity. The only way forward is you live in a pod as an objective SLAVE to industry or you have fewer children. Reproduction is unironically not a right. It is an accidental consequence of chasing pleasure, similar to obesity and drug addiction. It's not something like freedom of movement or speech. We literally don't have room if you want to live like a human, rather than as a dumb animal that can't comprehend numbers higher than two.

                >Animals being killed for food
                One, they do not actually suffer the way you think they do. If they have ANY conscious experience at all (which is an undebatable requirement for suffering, the conscious experience of undesirable conditions) there is a very low likelihood they have a conscious experience of anything abstract like freedom. All they care about is pain. We have demonstrated some don't even comprehend or fear death - only pain. Thankfully the industry is motivated to reduce pain to ensure employee safety and reduce product damage. That doesn't mean I won't be eating meat. It means I won't be eating tyson chicken.

                Speaking of chickens, I picked one up, broke its neck, and the others did not care. I picked another one up and broke its neck. The others did not care. I made dinner. To this day the chickens don't even fear me.

                They actually tried to eat their dead "friends". Free range birds with 5 acres, they never venture further than 500sqft, want for nothing, all natural life, lmao

                Animals are not people, and people are not animals. We are superior. We can suffer. They only feel pain. We have morals. They have operant conditioning. We have souls. They don't.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So you admit we need meat?
                No, I didn't. Humans wouldn't need it, but realistically in the future there will be omnivore people who will never want to switch to vegeterian/vegan, so they will want to consume it. Also for obligate carnivores like cat, that we domesticated. Veganism is NOT an option for them. I am for regressing their status as wild animals if I have to be honest.
                Yes, Earth cannot host so many people, and a response to reduce the CO2 emissions from the meat consumption is either stopping eating meat/fish (easy and doable) or get the help from science to grow it in labs.
                >animal that can't comprehend numbers higher than two.
                Animals have the same rights to exist than you, maybe even more. We as humans are a young, immature species. The Earth would continue to exist with our without us, but certainly it would be in a better state without our existence.
                Tell me, what do we do for the ecosystem? Nothing. We produce and pollute.

                The rest of your post is pure delusion and aimless speech.
                You need to do some research and open your eyes.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                What about smart animals that can comprehend numbers to at least six? You wouldn't eat a large monitor lizard, would you?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >cultivated meat
                that is even worse for the environment, dumbass. i love all these revolutionary ideas that suppose to save the planet, like solar or wind and now lab meat, and they just end up ironically even worse for the environment that the methods theyre replacing

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                It is still subject of studies whether it'll be worse or better. It seems that the consumption of water compared to the production of conventional meat is lower.
                It requires much more energy though, as it's grown in labs

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                youre also forgetting all the steel you need to mine and process, all the air and machines that need to run for clean rooms, then all the heat those meat cultivators generate, the amount the space required to generate meat, all the machines needed to clean the "meat", to feed the meat, to produce growth mediums.
                that graph doesnt seem to be taking into account all the factors of these secondary and tertiary material that are required in the production, and that doesnt even get into forming the meat to being palatable, you cant make a steak with it, only slurries like nuggets, the worst meat product
                not to mention the fact its 10(TEN) g(GRAMS) of meat per 1(ONE) L(LITER), anyone else that says anything higher isnt scaling it properly, which does beg the question why dont they use many smaller vat to grow meat cells

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >solar or wind
                >end up ironically even worse for the environment that the methods theyre replacing
                ?????????????????????????

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                wind require plastic, a oil based product, otherwise you have to build them offshores which limits their location of the energy they provide, also that energy has to be used almost instantly because batteries suck right now. also they require a regular maintenance and plastic ones degrade with just goes into the landfill after a generous 20 years
                solar require a lot of heavy metals which the extraction of is extremely dirty for the environment, they degrade after like 15 years which becomes e-waste
                also the energy they provide is extremely low, we have almost the energy plateau that we can get out solar, and already hit it with wind because of physics.
                fossil is great because it provides an insane amount of energy for cheap and its is own battery that doesnt lose its charge, you just stop burning it, but it is extremely dirty, the but energy returns are almost worth it depending on your goals
                nuclear is the energy of the future

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                yup, just as i feared: it's another "rightoid suddenly becomes concerned about the environment when it's politically expedient for him". thanks for saving me from having to read your whole post

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >promoting proper energy sources is being rightoid
                jesus fricking christ, what the frick is wrong with you that you think that post was had any sort of political message, unironically just have a nice day because the only thing that was Wauf related about your post is the is the brain worms eating away at your grey matter

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                twitter addict

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                nuclear isn't a right-wing energy source
                it's an energy source

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                you have the same ignorant idealism as a leftist wanting their commie utopia. yeah i'd like nuclear too, but given the political landscape for the next ~30 years, it's just not going to happen. boomers and gen Xers have been pozzed by decades of "nuclear BAD" oil industry propaganda. they will never pass any funding for new plants. not to mention they are expensive, take a long time to build, and need a support network around them to continue functioning properly (e.g. well-educated regulatory agencies, college programs to train these people).

                maybe once congress is mostly milliennials, we may have a shot. until then, we have to go with the next best options which are wind and solar.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you have the same ignorant idealism as a leftist wanting their commie utopia
                >we have to go with the next best options which are wind and solar.
                ironic

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              but my argument is something tasting good doesn't mean shit. It's not an argument based on logic, just personal taste.

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously the anti-vegan posters here are all hamburger obsessed ameritrans that can't cook and wouldn't know that you can turn vegetables into something yummy like pic related. (Not even going to talk of how unnecessary it is to still killing animals, with the alernatives we have that can guarantee all the nutrients we need.)
    Veganism is the future whether you like it or not.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      lolno, veganism only works because of globalism, the moment civilization collapses, youre fricked

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh I remember this shitzo last time I ran across him he was sperging out about why we breed cows for their meat and not cats and dogs

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure that was an educational thread

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was great the basic concept of
        >Pigs are easier to fatten up then dogs
        is completely beyond OPs comprehension

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad this documentary was the wake-up call for so many people, same as Cowspiracy.

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Factory farming is pure evil yes but last I checked meat was still delicious.

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I watched a tv show and now I don't eat meat.
    Hmmm.

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he wants me to respect something as ugly as this
    Lol. Lmao even.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree. We should eat your ugly ass too.

  43. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >me watching the vegans have meltdowns while I wait for scientists to resurrect mammoths so I can hunt them to extinction again

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't be a homosexual, I want to taste mammoth too.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then join me, brother. Hope you have a good spear arm.

  44. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We don't need to eat animals anymore
    It was never about need.

  45. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This doesn't need to happen, implying that what we see happening in that video is the norm in my country
    Well I know it's not the standard, no doubt there are some slaughter houses that do it but they're not following the guidelines properly
    Yes I know that slaughter houses are secretive and yes there should be more government oversight to ensure things are being handled properly
    No doubt there is some suffering involved in the required practises especially psychological distress
    Btw there is literally nothing wrong with grinding male chicks into paste
    Lets just be honest, seeing death is not nice
    I have slaughtered animals a few times in my life and I was fine, I might not be fine seeing it on the vast scale that goes on in slaughter houses but that's just an emotional weakness
    Same thing with seeing a fish attempting to swim whilst it's being cooked on a hot plate
    That is disturbing to see and my empathy makes me imagine that it's in pain when in reality it's just a biological response due to the fish being very recently killed

  46. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was a housemate with two vegans, BOTH were going bald from malnutrition.
    One had a leather purse and I'd give her shit for being a hypocrite when she yelled at me for eating eggs.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Baldness has to do with testosterone sensitivity. Not diet.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon...
        >She
        There are multiple forms of alopecia. Male pattern baldness, much like facial and body hair growth, is caused by *DHT sensitivity of specific follicles regardless of free testosterone or DHT levels (you can be high test and very hairy or totally hairless with scalp hair that makes women jealous, it doesn't indicate anything except sexual maturity). It is irreversible except by what is essentially a low dose of troony meds. Androgenic alopeia typically still looks healthy because the surrounding hair is still healthy so you can get away with it if you act as adult as you look and beef up your muscles.

        On the other hand reversible hair loss can be caused by malnutrition and stress and does not follow the norwood patterns, but is just patchy thinning. This kind just looks unhealthy. The surrounding hair is also unhealthy - like the rest of your body - and the thinning stuff just finally gave up.

        Vegans are prone to this because humans require meat for their bodies to function at 100%. You can theoretically construct an elaborate meat substitute between select amounts of select crops imported from elsewhere and manufactured supplements, but most can't stick to such a stringent diet of stuff that is foreign and out of season for most of the year.

        That's why the only people to ever go vegan pre-industrially were religious nutjobs who did not stand out by being malnourished as all the meat eating religious nutjobs were starving as well.

        You can even experience this if you eat meat, because not all meat is equally nutritious as cut or prepared! Historically humans ate marrow, organ meats, and dark meat instead of just fatty prime cuts, and a diversity of fruits and cooked tubers instead of just apples, oranges, tomatoes grown in sand, and fricking grass seeds.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >still parroting gender binary nonsense
          Imagine being doubly brainwashed.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Too many words for ya?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >One had a leather purse and I'd give her shit for being a hypocrite
      If he didn't pay someone to kill a cow or killed the cow himself it's not a problem.
      >she yelled at me for eating eggs.
      She's crazy.

  47. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel sorry for all the midwits and morons who saw veganism as a mark of intelligence because of the cultural trends of gated community white fricks.
    >rich white people do something
    >it now correlates with intelligence
    >midwits: IMMA DU DAT TWO. NOW IMMA SMART URDA DUMWUN.
    >*actually loses IQ points because the rich white people had access to more
    global medical and industrial resources*
    Wauf relevant example of studies bolstering morons egos: the infamous “study” done on a few hundred dorm dwelling college students trying to correlate choice of pet with IQ. As only a moron would keep a dog in such a shitty situation intended to be a form of torture for the humans (to keep them focused on study), or in ant situation but being a WFH bourgie or married to a stay at home/part time worker, cat owners came out slightly on top, aided by a culture that states it is moral to be a neglectful and abusive cat owners who just throws their pet outside when they are inconvenient.

    This led to low IQ basement dwelling cat owners trying to tell the dog owners who now have dogs that they are out of college that they are clearly the dumb ones, when in adult life pets have literally nothing to do with IQ.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christ i can not type on phones worth frick. My hands are too large for this shit and apples shitty swype clone and useless autocorrect make it even worse.

      Never fall for the ishit meme. Imessage isn’t worth having a phone that wants you to capitalize chinese propaganda like the Great Leap Forward. That’s not a proper noun. It’s a contested cultural trend that could be called the great leap backward or the cultural devolution. Frick iphones. I am not capitalizing the P. Frick you.

  48. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans are not interested in facts or philosophy

    Vegans are not interested in what is truly good or right or truth period.

    Vegans are only interested in being seen abstaining from pleasure and violence. PERIOD. If they can, they will indulge where they won’t be seen. ALL they care about is what you believe about them.

    They only exist where the culture is based on a religion that preaches against both violence and pleasure as dishonest virtue signalers who exploit the cultural priming caused by the faith without really following the whole package.

    In other words, veganism is a synonym of narcissism.

  49. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just against shitty animal treatment and shitty products.
    Tyson chicken is to meat as soilant is to vegetables.
    Devoid of soul and full of additives.
    Mass-produced "nutrition" removes every aspect of the beauty of the life that goes into what we consume to sustain ourselves.
    I want to eat things that matter and have been raised with love and care, not just be on the receiving end of a numbers game that punps out the facsimile of what I want on a conveyer belt as part of a system designed for maximized profit and the bare minimum quality.

    Fast food slop is worse for you than a meal replacement shake. Anyone who defends a greasy fast food burger as being "healthy because meat" is just as bad as bug-eaters trying to say that "it's basically the same as real meat."
    They're cheap and disgusting substitutions.
    Also, defending all meat products as nutritious is stupid.
    Ranch dressing has vitamin C in it, but you don't see healthy people doing shots of it because it has a hint of something good. You don't need a greasy burger.

    We can't even cut out slave/child labor from some of our product chains, why the frick would people care about animals at a moral level?
    The shitty conditions are a byproduct of corporate profit maximization and a race to the bottom. It's not because they just want to be dicks for the fun of it.
    People don't want to be dicks as a whole, they will simply ignore it if they think they're getting something out of it.

    I bet you I could sell the borderline hazardous guns if I just make people think that others are trying to take them. Buy the slop, or lose it all. The best threat in the book. Gotta take the bad with the good, no other way around it. I can only sell the good stuff if you support me with the bad stuff uwu
    Let's go get some chicken nuggets and McRibs later, as a happy family.

  50. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Veganism is full fricking moron. You have to make up new definitions to make it work. You can't be vegan and also have pets, yet most vegans probably have them.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Veganism should be about the liberation of all animals, it's not moronation .
        There are people who transitioned to vegan and already had pets, you can't suddenly release them. It's incoherent, but then again this topic has never been really touched upon until more recent years, there is ignorance and not a real discussion surrounding it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          What ignorance then? You say there's no discussion about it so lay it out. We're in a thread nominally about it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The debate about owning pets and not owning pets in the vegan perspective.
            Vegan is more than a diet and people don't understand that; the implication that all animals should be free raises questions about the domestication of certain species.
            I did introduce the argument, hopefully other people participate in it but what I see is a challenge at who's more creative at trolling and shitposting.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >what I see is a challenge at who's more creative at trolling and shitposting.
              Where the frick do you think you are.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I know. But why did you invite me to lay out my point then? If that anon is you.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Free
              Why should animals be free? Do they even understand freedom? Man does, and yet man can not find a difference between the freedom afforded by the rules of humanity (OBEY OR EXPERIENCE SLIGHT DISCOMFORT) and the rules of nature (OBEY OR STARVE, DIE FROM DISEASE, OR BE EATEN ALIVE). It is pure schizophrenia. Some actual idiots projecting their midwit angst onto creatures without frontal lobes.

              If animals could understand freedom the mass rebellion would make freeing them imperative. However they are even blinder than we, they lack ethics. They lack morality. They lack thought. They are NOT moral agents. They have NO moral value except as treasured property and as a test of character for their uncanny ability to affect our own base animal instincts.

              Your only ONLY way out of this is to prove an animal is a person. Otherwise get fricked. I posit that is self evident. If the animals were people they would not beg us to hook them up to their leashes and gladly live in apartments where the mighty house panther is relegated to a windowsil. A man raised in captivity still knows he is a prisoner.

              A man can feel despair. Animals can only feel pain and fear. Prevent and manage these and the majority do not even care that they are about to die, after watching twenty before them drop to the ground lifeless. The few that do resist, I suppose, we won't eat, just in case they are religious schizos who think we have a deal ordained by their gods and actually are people.

              These few are FEW and 4000 year old wisdom already says not to eat them. No bible I read ever sanctioned eating chimps.

              Listen, listen. Vegans are morally correct in this scenario. They are, they're right. If we can mass produce labgrown meat, it is morally imperative to replace your diet with it.
              But.
              I love chicken. I love chicken so fricking much. If you are in front of me, and you try to take my chicken, I am going to bite a chunk off your neck, and tell you to leave. If you don't leave me alone I'm going to eat you.
              Chicken have less brain function than a fricking insect. I am not going to sacrifice my pleasure for something that short circuits by looking at a line drawn on the ground

              No, it is not. Morally imperative based on what? The theoretical feelings of an animal have no relevance to any moral system not based on asian religious schizophrenia.

              You assume that animals have moral value. If they had it, they would be called persons.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                A newborn baby is the closest thing to an animal in terms of perception of its surroundings, but you wouldn't feel justified to kill it just because it doesn't have a moral.
                You are another anthropocentric idiot.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Believe it or not the majority of the civilized world does feel justified in abortion. Once independent, a baby WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BECOME A HUMAN.

                A cow at any life stage will always be thoughtless meat and organs.

                >Anthropocentric
                AKA sane. Humans have value. Animals don't. Contest this in your basement and be laughed at. Contest this when human lives are on the line and I won't feel bad if you're shot by a surviving family member execution style for establishing that you honestly believe it is okay for humans to die if animals will not. Particularly if you attempt to justify yourself.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                This post sums it up, the definition of human supremacism and specism.
                We will never advance as a species until there is the belief that we have the rights to control and destroy any other form of life.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Human supremacy is called sanity. An organism exists for its own benefit or it is killed off by one that does.

                I personally know people who stopped eating ADF in the 80s and 90s.
                Veganism and the philosophy behind it are modern, but this lifestyle can be traced back to thousands of years ago.

                Does it hurt you so much that some famous and influential people chose to be vegan that you prefer to believe they lie? And for what reason would they do that, since you often get criticized and laughed at for it? There's this dichotomy that veganism isn't considered manly. It isn't exactly the best for an athlete to confess it when there are still so many prejudices.

                The wealthy are notoriously degenerate. They go vegan with all the money and help in the world. They also visit epstein island to have sex with 12 year olds and animals for fun.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >cats face when they kill off humanity by spreading gigacovid and humans refuse to exterminate cats to prevent it

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, the world is so much better since humans gained control over it. Human supremacism is madness.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not all vegans are even against the idea of pets. Backyard chickens shit all over veganism.

  51. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    then go eat your onions-garbage. the rest of us enjoy a well balanced diet.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      unable to spell s-o-y here?
      wtf

  52. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Human beings are best described as facultative scavengers. We certainly hunt and kill animals like a predator, but we consume them over long periods of time, like scavengers, as we can cook meat, preserve meat, and keep it stored for months. Human beings have been doing this for hundreds of thousands of years, and it has driven our evolution, likely prompting our increase in brain mass and overall intelligence. We certainly have the digestive system for a scavenging omnivore.

    What seems most telling is the fact that it's shown that people can live entirely off animals and animal products such as meat, eggs, fat and dairy. This is the so-called "carnivore diet." The human body can adjust to this quite easily. A vegan diet, on the other hand, requires far more preparation, nutritional supplements, and vitamins in order to work. The truth is that human beings are flexible omnivores, so adaptable that they can swing both ways, but they can swing easier to acting as a carnivore than they can a herbivore. We are simply built to consume a certain quantity of meat and it is a part of our natural diet, despite the lack of fangs, claws, or prominent carnassials. Human beings are, in fact, the most carnivorous of all the great apes. Spears are our claws, knives are our fangs, cooking is our first step towards preparing meat for consumption, and our low-ph stomach acid and relatively short digestive tract takes care of the rest.

    You can make peace with this truth or continue to believe and spread lies for ideological reasons, but it will never change the facts.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is-ought fallacy. The important fact is as you said - humans are flexible. We adapt, we spread, and we can make decisions that change the facts, not just follow them.
      Your position would never have humans spread beyond the equatorial belt, because while we CAN live in other biomes, it isnt as easy so we SHOULDNT.
      Yours is a decidedly anti-evolutionary position, and it would stagnate and eventually destroy the species. Better to diversify, spread, and adapt even our digestive biology instead of just stagnating into thinking what is currently true means it is what should remain so.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >is ought
        A fictitious concept created by religious superstition.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Is-ought fallacy. The important fact is as you said - humans are flexible. We adapt, we spread, and we can make decisions that change the facts, not just follow them.
        ????
        >Your position would never have humans spread beyond the equatorial belt
        ???
        Sir, are you aware that the only people living on the extreme northen edges of the world/snowhellscape (known as eskimos or inuit) are in fact obligate carnivores simply because.. there's no fricking ground for growing shit?
        and they're doing fine, diet-side.
        Meanwhile, there's not single vegan only tribe anywhere ever doing fine. not even modern cities which should be very conductive to their non-sense, but even with excess resources vegans just seem to not have enough.

  53. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Screen captures of videotaped meat eating by a chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes schweinfurthii) at Kasekela, Gombe National Park, Tanzania. a Adult male FR has just captured a subadult red colobus (August 2000). He holds the carcass in his left hand, and is sucking the brain from the cranium, which he had crushed with his jaws. b FR has carried an adult female red colobus to the ground (September 2000). He uses his right hand to hold the victim down, and is consuming muscle from the inner thigh of the right hind leg.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      BRUTAL

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nature is brutal

  54. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    And where the frick am I going to get my essential amino acids that, unlike herbivores, I can't metabolize and are therefore only found in their meat ?
    Cruelty to animals is abominable and industrialization is an abomination. So, yes, let's change the way we produce food, meat and vegetables alike.

    Cattle eat almost only grass which does not deplete the soil as much as the fruits and vegetables consumed by humans. Livestock also produces a natural fertilizer which is used for crops.
    The cessation of livestock farming in favor of cultivation irremediably leads to desertification
    But you don't care about that, because you're not hungry for vegetables, you're hungry for power over others lives.

  55. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look, when they start making ribs, wings, and calamari rings in a lab that taste EXACTLY like the real versions, then we can have this discussion.

    Until then? Keep your cricket flower and beyond burgers to yourself, I ain't buying. Humans have eaten meat since there were humans, I ain't quitting while we're ahead.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >in a lab that taste EXACTLY like the real versions
      yeah, thats never going to happen, youd have an easier time trying to break the laws of physics, or building a dyson sphere

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Berlin?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What?

  56. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    And?

  57. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Animals die in the wild all the time, often times much worse deaths.

  58. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The science is settled on this. Eating meat is not only unnecessary, but dangerous. The human body isn't designed to digest meat. Our circulatory system fails, our teeth rot, and our body fills with cancer. It is literally rebelling against us to try to stop us from consuming more putrid charred animal flesh.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      guy on the left eats meat and his teeth look fantastic

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you are really a human, you can not naturally survive without animal protein. You can "survive" in a weakened state that would result in your death without an organized social support network, and you could possibly thrive with an elaborate system of crop imports, greenhouses, and industrially mass produced supplements combined with modern knowledge of nutrition. But in that latter case you would be forced to eat at least a fricking egg if the trucks stopped showing up for just one week. Or if your finances suffered a little. Meat eaters can produce animal based proteins from chickens that live in your backyard for fricking free - you can feed them garbage such as the parts of crops you cant digest because you are not a fricking herbivore.

      >BUT HUMANS CANT EAT MEAT BECAUSE TEETH NOT POINTY
      Other animals use those teeth to kill. Some herbivores have those teeth for display. See: those big-gutted shit eaters we call gorillas. big teeth! We use hands for everything. No need to make teeth worse at eating.

      >Eating meat is dangerous
      The human body is literally EVOLVED to eat meat. It is NOT designed to eat burnt meat, it's designed to eat FRESH meat, and the whole damn animal, not the fattiest prime cuts, but still, it EVOLVED to eat meat.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/

      Worldwide, bivariate correlation analyses revealed that meat intake is positively correlated with life expectancies. This relationship remained significant when influences of caloric intake, urbanization, obesity, education and carbohydrate crops were statistically controlled. Stepwise linear regression selected meat intake, not carbohydrate crops, as one of the significant predictors of life expectancy. In contrast, carbohydrate crops showed weak and negative correlation with life expectancy.

      This is evolution. You must have been asleep for it, which makes you a monkey.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, the science is not settled. Everything you posted is from eating nothing but overcooked fatty cuts of red meat and processed plant foods, when the natural human diet is: 50-100% fish and small game, megafauna as a treat, supplemented by fruits.

      The problem with modern man is
      1: He is mostly eating megafauna
      2: He is eating the least healthy parts of that megafauna and boiling the nutritious parts into dogfood
      3: He is supplementing this megafaunal lard based diet with bread

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have you ever been in a laboratory? Do you have a PhD? No? Then shut the frick up and listen to real scientists.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Then shut the frick up and listen to real scientists.
          Gotcha. Here's the real scientists now. Let's listen to them together, again, since you didn't listen to them the first ten times. This is using up to date research, not half baked claims from 2006, since science is always getting closer to the truth, so letsa go!
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/
          Published online 2022 Feb 22. doi: 10.2147/IJGM.S333004

          The association between a plant-based diet (vegetarianism) and extended life span is increasingly criticised since it may be based on the lack of representative data and insufficient removal of confounders such as lifestyles.

          Population-specific data were obtained from 175 countries/territories. Scatter plots, bivariate, partial correlation and linear regression models were used with SPSS 25 to explore and compare the correlations between newborn life expectancy (e(0)), life expectancy at 5 years of life (e(5)) and intakes of meat, and carbohydrate crops, respectively. The established risk factors to life expectancy – caloric intake, urbanization, obesity and education levels – were included as the potential confounders.

          Worldwide, bivariate correlation analyses revealed that meat intake is positively correlated with life expectancies. This relationship remained significant when influences of caloric intake, urbanization, obesity, education and carbohydrate crops were statistically controlled. Stepwise linear regression selected meat intake, not carbohydrate crops, as one of the significant predictors of life expectancy. In contrast, carbohydrate crops showed weak and negative correlation with life expectancy.

          TLDR:
          Common sense was right all along.
          Humans are carnivorous.
          Meat is good for you.

          Now go take care of your body and eat some heart or liver.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Real scientists
          Like barry groves phd?

          https://i.imgur.com/NRpSrpB.jpg

          If you are really a human, you can not naturally survive without animal protein. You can "survive" in a weakened state that would result in your death without an organized social support network, and you could possibly thrive with an elaborate system of crop imports, greenhouses, and industrially mass produced supplements combined with modern knowledge of nutrition. But in that latter case you would be forced to eat at least a fricking egg if the trucks stopped showing up for just one week. Or if your finances suffered a little. Meat eaters can produce animal based proteins from chickens that live in your backyard for fricking free - you can feed them garbage such as the parts of crops you cant digest because you are not a fricking herbivore.

          >BUT HUMANS CANT EAT MEAT BECAUSE TEETH NOT POINTY
          Other animals use those teeth to kill. Some herbivores have those teeth for display. See: those big-gutted shit eaters we call gorillas. big teeth! We use hands for everything. No need to make teeth worse at eating.

          >Eating meat is dangerous
          The human body is literally EVOLVED to eat meat. It is NOT designed to eat burnt meat, it's designed to eat FRESH meat, and the whole damn animal, not the fattiest prime cuts, but still, it EVOLVED to eat meat.
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/

          Worldwide, bivariate correlation analyses revealed that meat intake is positively correlated with life expectancies. This relationship remained significant when influences of caloric intake, urbanization, obesity, education and carbohydrate crops were statistically controlled. Stepwise linear regression selected meat intake, not carbohydrate crops, as one of the significant predictors of life expectancy. In contrast, carbohydrate crops showed weak and negative correlation with life expectancy.

          This is evolution. You must have been asleep for it, which makes you a monkey.

          https://justmeat.co/docs/homo-carnivorus-barry-groves-md.pdf

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >justmeat
            I wonder who pays for that website... The meat industry, perhaps? Maybe McDonalds?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              It’s owned operated and funded entirely by an autistic israeli billionaire named michael goldstein. There are, in fact, good israelites. There better be. Unless you are Japanese, we lead your race by at least 10 IQ points.

              And eating meat is not incompatible with being nice to animals so… you lose.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anyone who kills animals for inefficient and useless gluttony is no friend to them, but their enemy.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                We literally need meat to live you new age moron. Go frick a tree.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Black person what are you talking about, we have been eating large animals since the beginning of time. There is no "unhealthy" part of the animal, moronic take. We always ate the whole animal.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Carnivore teeth arent like that for meat rending theyre like yhat for aninal catching, humans dont catcj aninals with their mouths, dont need pointy teeth.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder: the herbivore pictured, a horse, will absolutely rat meat if given the chance. They eat birds quite regularly.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only when starved. All animals only eat meat during famine, in fact. Carnivorous lifestyles are that unnatural. Human intervention drives animals to cannibalize one another in order to survive.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          then why none of those bird eating horses and goats dont remotely look starved ?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >its THIS troll again
          The only correct response to him is “no homosexual”. Also bring up christ and watch him have a samegayging meltdown about “the one and only christian on Wauf is gangstalking me”. Like /misc/ isn’t a religious vacuum and Wauf isn’t the collection bag kek.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >All animals only eat meat during famine

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Carnivorous lifestyles are that unnatural
          Ah yes, the diet so "unnatural" that all but a handful of animals, especially herbivores, practice it even when there isn't a famine.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      lol

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Humans have binocular vision because monkeys jump, moron. Teeth, however, are used for digestion.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nope, stomach acid is used to digestion. And human stomach acid is extremely acidic compared to herbivores. This is why throwing up hurts so much.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, moron, digestion starts in the mouth where teeth break up food into a bolus while saliva breaks down starches into sugars. Put bread in your mouth and keep it there and you can observe this happening for yourself.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Or, in human terms, digestion starts in the oven or pan, ridding meat of its pathogens and making it more chewable.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tools aren't part of your digestive track. The mouth is.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well then i guess we can eat and digest every soft tissue in an animals body but can’t really get calories or fatty acids from most plants except for seasonal fruits and berries.

                Humans and wolves have identical natural diets.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not without tools, no. It's sort of like saying "our hands are not made to hold hot things, they burn", and then you reply "OH WELL WHAT ABOUT OVEN MITTENS?"

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                chefs regularly get asbestos hands, dumbass
                training your gut to digest vegetation is much harder and wont stick, because your digestive tract isnt long enough to actually extract all essential nutrients, like other ruminates

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This moronic fricking meme again
        Now post the reddit koala spam.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          pandas are carnivorans that pivoted from omnivorous lifestyle into hard niche of eating bamboo, which has coincidentally made them very moronic

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >turn vegan
            >intelligence drops because of malnutrition
            No coincidence there!

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >turn vegan
            >intelligence drops because of malnutrition
            No coincidence there!

            Malnutrition eventually would have led to death.
            Spreading lies again?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            All mammals are descended from insectivores you moron.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      well well well
      What's the closest animal to a human again?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >posting photos of starving chimpanzees whose foraging ranges have been completely decimated
        Like posting photos of the Donner party.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >starving chimpanzees
          No.
          You can't run and leap through the forest to catch a monkey if you're starving.
          It's part of their diet.
          "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences now confirms that adult male chimps regularly eat meat. "
          Even Dr. Jane Goodall said that.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          inb4
          >source ?
          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327108726_Meat_eating_frequencies_in_wild_chimpanzees_-_The_effect_of_absolute_meat_amounts_hunt_participation_and_female_reproductive_state_on_the_delta_N-15_ratios_of_hair
          >Meat amounts correlate with participation observed in hunts, with three impact hunting males consuming 15 - 25kg of meat during the six month study, whereas the average was 3.8kg.

          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236081876_Stable_isotope_evidence_of_meat_eating_and_hunting_specialization_in_adult_male_chimpanzees
          >Meat eating among some of the male chimpanzees is significant enough to result in a marked isotope signal detectable on a short-term basis in their hair keratin and long-term in their bone collagen.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Brother, chimps have been seen crafting fricking tools specifically designed for hunting monkeys, what are you talking about?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          no reply to

          inb4
          >source ?
          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327108726_Meat_eating_frequencies_in_wild_chimpanzees_-_The_effect_of_absolute_meat_amounts_hunt_participation_and_female_reproductive_state_on_the_delta_N-15_ratios_of_hair
          >Meat amounts correlate with participation observed in hunts, with three impact hunting males consuming 15 - 25kg of meat during the six month study, whereas the average was 3.8kg.

          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236081876_Stable_isotope_evidence_of_meat_eating_and_hunting_specialization_in_adult_male_chimpanzees
          >Meat eating among some of the male chimpanzees is significant enough to result in a marked isotope signal detectable on a short-term basis in their hair keratin and long-term in their bone collagen.

          and

          https://i.imgur.com/38gO1K2.png

          >Screen captures of videotaped meat eating by a chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes schweinfurthii) at Kasekela, Gombe National Park, Tanzania. a Adult male FR has just captured a subadult red colobus (August 2000). He holds the carcass in his left hand, and is sucking the brain from the cranium, which he had crushed with his jaws. b FR has carried an adult female red colobus to the ground (September 2000). He uses his right hand to hold the victim down, and is consuming muscle from the inner thigh of the right hind leg.

          eh ?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Chimps need to be eradicated. They're literally demons. So are humans.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The human body isn't designed to digest meat
      yeah, I guess bows and arrows are for picking fruit from the treetops

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Human beings have the stomach acid of a vulture. We never evolved fangs as we became more carnivorous because we evolved tools instead. You don't evolve what you don't need and humans don't need cutlery in their mouth, our hands are our fangs.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Human beings have the stomach acid of a vulture.
        No, we don't. Vultures have a gut that can kill even stuff like rabies and other dangerous bacteria. We sure can't do that. I'd love to see you eat a rotting, disease infested carcass raw like a vulture can.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Vulture stomach acid ph depends on the species but ranges from 0.5 to 1.5
          Human stomach acid ph is 1.5, but can go down to 1 comfortably. This is about on par with other carnivores like ferrets, eagles, and indeed, vultures.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also rabies is a virus not a bacteria, and eating it would not cause disease. You would not contract it through eating. Also, besides tools to act as fangs, humans evolved a thing called cooking, that also helps get rid of disease.

          These are things a 5 year old can understand.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The science is settled on this.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah they "love" science as long as "science" tells them what they want to ear as you can see here

        inb4
        >source ?
        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327108726_Meat_eating_frequencies_in_wild_chimpanzees_-_The_effect_of_absolute_meat_amounts_hunt_participation_and_female_reproductive_state_on_the_delta_N-15_ratios_of_hair
        >Meat amounts correlate with participation observed in hunts, with three impact hunting males consuming 15 - 25kg of meat during the six month study, whereas the average was 3.8kg.

        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236081876_Stable_isotope_evidence_of_meat_eating_and_hunting_specialization_in_adult_male_chimpanzees
        >Meat eating among some of the male chimpanzees is significant enough to result in a marked isotope signal detectable on a short-term basis in their hair keratin and long-term in their bone collagen.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meat industry funded propaganda isn't "science".

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            vegan funded propaganda is not "truth"
            And also you are only avoiding reality: chimpanzees eat meat extremely often and it is important for the development and maintenance of the brain.

            In addition, the essential amino acids found in meat cannot be metabolized by humans and this is why you must either eat meat (the natural method) or take supplements to compensate for your harmful diet (the artificial method).

            You just want to force people to obey you: vegans are tolerated in a world of homivores but in a world of vegans homnivores would be persecuted or killed.
            You are evil and you know it

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >vegan funded propaganda is not "truth"
              Science is true by definition. Propaganda is false by definition.
              >chimpanzees eat meat extremely often and it is important for the development and maintenance of the brain
              Chimpanzees in Africa have had their habitat devastated by logging and poaching for bush meat, which causes Chimpanzees to lose access to their normal food supplies and thus resort to cannibalism. Chimpanzees raised in captivity and fed a healthy diet show no such behavior.
              Also, meat is NOT healthy in the slightest, for anything. It contains free radicals and prions which lead inevitably to cancer and death. You are obviously too young to remember the Mad Cow epidemic, but the attempt to feed meat to animals only results in the spreading of disease - not improved health.
              >In addition, the essential amino acids found in meat cannot be metabolized by humans and this is why you must either eat meat (the natural method) or take supplements to compensate for your harmful diet (the artificial method).
              Better tell Buddhists that live to be over 100 about these vital amino acids that only come from meat. I'm sure they'd appreciate a good laugh.
              >You just want to force people to obey you: vegans are tolerated in a world of homivores but in a world of vegans homnivores would be persecuted or killed.
              Awww, the slave to corporate greed and industrialized murder thinks he's 'free'. How cute.

              >its THIS troll again
              The only correct response to him is “no homosexual”. Also bring up christ and watch him have a samegayging meltdown about “the one and only christian on Wauf is gangstalking me”. Like /misc/ isn’t a religious vacuum and Wauf isn’t the collection bag kek.

              >it's this schizo again
              Take your meds, gangstalker.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >my asspulled theory predicated by 0 evidence and contradicted by 4 billion years of material evidence = science
                >everything else = propaganda from “the man”
                WRONG homosexual.

                Come back when you’re done being a schizophrenic moron.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                Still waiting on that 'evidence' of required amino acids that Buddhists and other traditionally vegetarian cultures apparently are missing out on.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >there are no carnivorous animals in nature
                >chimpanzees eat flowers
                >crocodiles eat algae
                >leeches drink fruit juice

                >and btw carnivorous plants eat air

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                you get prion'd from eating the nervous system or brain of an extremely similar or the same species ya dunderhead. nobody is getting Kuru except homies eating people brains, nobody is getting CJD except homies eating monkey brains.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Science is true by definition. Propaganda is false by definition.
                Something tells me you don't know the definition of either of those terms.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because we dont bite stuff to death we poke it you absolute dumb c**t. If we weren't meant to eat meat we wouldn't be doing it.

  59. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was vegan when I saw Earthlings. For half a year. Then I saw the light through deliciously cooked Saumasn at my uncle's house and regained sanity.
    That's not to say I don't care where my meat comes from and I'm only buying from local farmers who I know. Means I have to sign up and wait for an animal to be slaughtered to receive my share but what gives? It's so local I occasionally drive by and help with maintenance.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty based. I was thinking of buying a quarter cow off a co worker who raises them, but I honestly don't have the freezer space for that right now.

  60. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If vegans had actual ethics they would eat infertile chicken eggs and naturally expired animals to meet their needs but it’s about delusion and social credit and you don’t stand out eating a steak that died of old age because no one can fricking tell - except you because it’s bitter and tough.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed. If they were good people, they would eat animal corpses as a form of waste disposal and ensure they lived good lives up until their natural expiration. If a person were fully morally good and against death and suffering, they would be the great meddling vulture who maintained a peaceful life for all and subsisted off the course of nature.

      Instead most campaign for the brutal extermination of several species because "IF I WERE THAT ANIMAL (BUT STILL HAD A HUMAN BRAIN) I WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF A SLAVE AND BE DEPRESSED!". Which just goes to show that they dont have empathy, they have narcissism and a need to appear empathetic to others in order to boost their ego. What do the animals really feel? Happy, if you treat them well.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        > "IF I WERE THAT ANIMAL (BUT STILL HAD A HUMAN BRAIN) I WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF A SLAVE AND BE DEPRESSED!". Which just goes to show that they dont have empathy
        This kinda shit is what gets my goat about vegans.
        >well how would YOU like it if YOU were enslaved and used for meat!!??!?!
        Well I wouldn't bevause I'm human and also that wouldn't ever ever happen.
        >well what if YOU were COW
        Well I wouldn't give a shit because I'd have cow brain
        >w-well-!!!

        Moral vegans lack true empathy. True empathy is being able to see and understand things from another person's true perspective to the best of your ability. That means seeing things like how a COW would. But they could never understand that. They shove their human understanding of situations into a cows body and they believe that's what the cow feels, because its what THEY feel.
        So you're absolutely right. It's an insane amount of narcissism fueled by misinformation like that stupid fricking documentary.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >infertile chicken eggs
      Male chicks are put on a conveyor belt and thrown into an incinerator a few hours after being hatched.
      >naturally expired animals
      Some vegans eat roadkill.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >incinerator
        Incorrect, that would be a waste.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't burned.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling
        >fertilizer and cat food

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Male chicks are put on a conveyor belt and thrown into an incinerator a few hours after being hatched.

        Males tend to be sorted as "broilers", living for several weeks before being harvested for meat (before the flesh toughens).

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          err close
          Broilers are specific breeding stock for meatmaxxing
          RIP in literal macerator-severed pieces, little chicks

  61. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thankfully vegans are dying out.

  62. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Its ANOTHER thread made by that schizo troony homosexual that thinks you need to view animals as morally equal to people or you're a psychopath
    Did you know that animal and human empathy are related but barely correlated? In fact, higher animal empathy is correlated with narcissism and decreased human empathy. Narcissism is a form of sociopathy.

    A properly functioning human eats meat. This is evolution, and has been for 3 million years of our species. You're not invited. OP will die childless because nobody wants to frick a narcissistic sociopath who is simultaneously a bleeding heart liberal that cries for cattle.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1087049/full

    Having empathy for others is typically generalized to having empathy for animals. However, empathy for humans and for animals are only weakly correlated. Thus, some individuals may have low human-centered empathy but have high animal-centered empathy.

    Lastly, we found that Narcissistic Neuroticism was unrelated to human-centered empathy and positively related to animal-centered empathy and attitudes towards animals.

    >Lastly, we found that Narcissistic Neuroticism was unrelated to human-centered empathy and positively related to animal-centered empathy and attitudes towards animals.

    We NEED to eat animals. And that's ok, because the only people who disagree are unironically evil. And the animals really don't give a shit. The only ones that do or could care, ie: pigs, dogs, apes, octopus, dolphins, whales, people, the torah (unironically the word of god) says are literally off the table. Problem solved.

    Who wants to see homekill videos of cows giving a farmer a blank stare while he shoots their friends and then them?

    We literally bred the self awareness and concern for mortality out of them. They are meat plants.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      on the first clips they did not care on the others they ran away

      PD: 3:15 keep on rollin baby

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >OP will die childless because nobody wants to frick a narcissistic sociopath who is simultaneously a bleeding heart liberal that cries for cattle.
      nah, OP'll have a kid, but it will die of malnutrition

  63. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    what an awful documentary, torture porn with laughably stupid arguments

  64. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    i am going to eat you

  65. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  66. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what does OP want to happen to all the livestock currently living at the point humanity no longer tolerates the eating of real animals? Most of them can't live a happy and healthy life without human care any more because of how we've bred them, and we don't need more wild hogs. This would have to be a very slow process of downscaling to minimize needless animal death

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same thing we do with pitbulls: care for them best we can.and ensure they don't breed another generation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same thing we do with pitbulls: care for them best we can.and ensure they don't breed another generation.

      Yes, this is what we should do.

  67. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this doesn't need to happen
    What's 'this'? Picrel? In that case you're right OP. Blatant, obvious propoganda and hyperbolic lies packaged in a shitty fearmongering documentary do not need to happen.

  68. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't kid yourself, that little monster would eat you and everyone you care about if given the chance.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love The Simpsons

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Extra funny that it's a season 1 episode, shows how little the food culture has changed

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why would it? Food culture has been the same since the widespread adoption of freezers and meals ready to eat. It'd take something comparable for it to change.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That little picture only appeared in the clip for 2 seconds, but it has given me smiles all day long.

  69. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go Vegan then
    See how much you last

    • 5 months ago
      Sugar

      10 years and going strong here

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        nice lies shlomo

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          People that went vegan in the 80s and 90s exist and are still alive.
          The greatest tennis player in the world is vegan.
          You can attack veganism on different aspects, but not on the health one.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >went vegan in the 80s
            nobody knew what veganism was until the early 2010s

            >The greatest tennis player in the world is vegan
            >believing anything about famous people

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I personally know people who stopped eating ADF in the 80s and 90s.
              Veganism and the philosophy behind it are modern, but this lifestyle can be traced back to thousands of years ago.

              Does it hurt you so much that some famous and influential people chose to be vegan that you prefer to believe they lie? And for what reason would they do that, since you often get criticized and laughed at for it? There's this dichotomy that veganism isn't considered manly. It isn't exactly the best for an athlete to confess it when there are still so many prejudices.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >some famous and influential people
                they are cryptoisraelites, in case they aint, they get paid to promote shit

  70. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We don't need to eat animals anymore.
    But, Anon, I don't eat animals.

  71. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meat is too delicious, sorry bro.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      its not you are just a goblin who has acquired a cannibalistic blood thirst for other animals

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Behold!!

        A cannibalistic blood-thirsty goblin

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cannibalistic
        ?
        >We don't need to eat animals anymore.
        Show your math. Meat industry may be disgusting but the Western world hasn't seen a real famine in what, nearly a 100 years?
        > t. hog processing plant worker.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        goblin deez nuts

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >other animals
        im not an animal except by technicalities. i am the direct progeny of a god. other animals eat other animals. i use inferior lifeforms for a greater purpose.

        the wolf will not eat a wolf but may eat a coyote and they leave much to rot. i will not eat a wolf a coyote a fox or a man but i will eat a cow. and not one cell will be left to rot. every part of the carcass has a use. the leather from it is actually more environmentally friendly than petroleum based fabrics, so long as people stop being consoomers and keep clothing items longer than six months.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          wrong and dumb

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cannibalistic blood thirst
        >other animals
        you don't know the meanings of the words you're using

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        this homie thinks he's actually one with the universe

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hey, being above eating one another puts us above the average for most animals.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, you can thank homosexual habilis for that.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except we do because the human niche is to act as gardeners for the earth and prey animals literally need predators to survive without destroying the ecosystems they depend on.

        If you're not a literal child then you're moronic

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >its not you are just a goblin who has acquired a cannibalistic blood thirst for other animals
        >cannibalistic
        >other animals
        r u moronic m8

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      tpbp

  72. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      impressive

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