>Um T.

>Um T. rex had to hold its jaws open and had massive lips
Then why are so many T. rex skulls found so tightly closed the mandible and cranium are literally interlocking like puzzle pieces?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have been looking at this picture for days and just now I noticed the fricking dog.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      i noticed the dog right away and almost thought this thread was going to be about dogs

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If i had to guess, i'd say because they are dead

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    So dinosaurs have feathers and not skin right? Like birds?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >birds don't have skin
      The smartest, most anatomically literate feathertroony.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, thats why they say they are related to birds right? Because they have feathers and not skin? I dont know much about the whole archeology thing.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is a very teachable moment though. This highlights why so many midwits and morons think that T. rex didn't have feathers "because it was big" using elephants as an example, because they think scales are the same thing as bare skin. Scales are like hair or feathers. They are a totally separate structure that comes OUT of skin. And this is why the elephant/T. rex comparison is fricking moronic. Elephants don't have scales.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not a T-rex. That's a golden retriever.
    t. dog expert

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Greg Paul

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The current theory is that they had beaks.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which is VERY wrong. They hard reinforced lip tissue. Same as marine angelfish, surgeons and moorish idols. The dentition and jaw use is nearly identical. You wouldn't have a beak and teeth being used for the same purpose.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >hard reinforced lip tissue
        So, a beak? We already have some reconstructions of this.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate these fricking papers. No direct evidence: not important

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    t-rex was a pre-bronze age iguana that crawled on all fours. no animal on the planet walks on 2 legs and has teeth because there's no dragging capability which is why all birds have a beak and not teeth.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Umm, how do we tell him?

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Just report his posts for the low quality off topic spam it is.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's actually a good idea.

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you pretend you know things?
    >picrel for anyone who remembers

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      that was pretty funny

      I wonder if he ever gets embarrassed or if he actually believes all those very public frick ups were made by someone else.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      The way I remember it OP posted that and argued about it for more than a day before I stepped in and pointed out the problem

      meaning while OP is a complete ass, nobody on Wauf knew any better than he did until I said something.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >OP is a complete ass, nobody on Wauf knew any better than he did until I said something.
        sorta like this fool here

        >2005
        Super outdated. Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.

        didn't bother to check the literature

        so I'm just sitting here reading the paper that proves him wrong and laughing to myself.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        explain it to someone who doesnt know skull musculature and the implications

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          OP was complaining that the jaw was restored too fat in several depictions so he posted that graphic as proof that the jaw is thin.

          that graphic is missing all the external jaw muscles.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I didn't.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >when you're so dumb even you pretend to be someone else

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >when you're so schizophrenic you think all the voices in your head are conspiring to just be one voice in your head

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          This

          OP was complaining that the jaw was restored too fat in several depictions so he posted that graphic as proof that the jaw is thin.

          that graphic is missing all the external jaw muscles.

          . Also there was at least one other anon who posted a reconstruction with all the muscles and he threw a hissy fit over it before going quiet and never posting it again

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’ll also add that when he would post it he acted as if it were a reconstruction of the muscles that were present in real life, when the paper it’s from explicitly said it left out the adductors that weren’t relevant to the study. Just in case you needed any proof he posts things he thinks look or sound roughly correct without reading the context

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wasn't me, schizo.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sure sure. There are multiple morons who care as much about the appearance of a dead lizards mouth as you

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                did you see the post that got deleted?

                I think he accidentally admitted it and then decided that was a bad idea.

                also of course if that wasn't him his first reaction should be to join us in laughing at the poor fool that thought T. rex completely lacked jaw adductors. What kind of moron would do that? Kek

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >someone is such a desperate homosexual they try to pretend they made the thread
                What is wrong with you schizos? Like you call others mentally ill but you feel the need to pretend to be me because you can't argue the points and have to create some sort of weird furgay tier lore you can fap to. Also, why would anyone write like that. Are you a solipsist?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he still thinks that his criticism of its lower jaw hasn’t been debunked
                I pity him

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            what does that even mean

            OP was complaining that the jaw was restored too fat in several depictions so he posted that graphic as proof that the jaw is thin.

            that graphic is missing all the external jaw muscles.

            what are you even referring too, you need a point of reference

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              He was complaining that the T. rex model used for prehistoric planet had a lower jaw that was too fat and would post

              https://i.imgur.com/USEBNFW.png

              Why do you pretend you know things?
              >picrel for anyone who remembers

              as his reasoning. Except that image with the muscles wasn’t an actual reconstruction of the life appearance as it’s missing all the muscles that were on the outer side of the jaw, which the paper it’s from mentions. In short he’s a fricking idiot who posts about shit he doesn’t know the first thing about

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muscles that were on the outer side of the jaw
                i assume you mean "cheek" area, and not the front end.
                do many extant reptiles have muscles that bugle out that far back there, that pic looks off compared to like tengus and crocodiles.
                also why are the skulls kinda narrow, were they always that narrow, i remember their skulls being much boarder like sue

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >tengus
                hehe

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Would you shut the frick up and stop making shit up? I'm not the one that posted that shit.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody believes you. You are a bad liar

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You do realize jannies can see your IP, right?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/USEBNFW.png

                Why do you pretend you know things?
                >picrel for anyone who remembers

                that was pretty funny

                I wonder if he ever gets embarrassed or if he actually believes all those very public frick ups were made by someone else.

                The way I remember it OP posted that and argued about it for more than a day before I stepped in and pointed out the problem

                meaning while OP is a complete ass, nobody on Wauf knew any better than he did until I said something.

                Can you guys stop acting like this is a forum and not an anonymous imageboard? You're not a psychic, you don't know who's talking and you can't attribute random posts to random people, we get more traffic here than just the same five people over and over. It honestly makes you sound like kind of a schizo.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                How new are you?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you don't know who's talking and you can't attribute random posts to random people
                In the case of these threads you absolutely can for the most part. There is only one person who posts here that is so obsessed with the Chinese and trannies personally attacking his dead lizards, and he’s the only one who posts these sorts of threads while arguing about this shit

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                this topic has been discussed several times a year for at least the last 5 years straight, and it's always the exact same anons discussing it. Often the exact same pictures and comments as well.

                Check the archives, you can literally identify personalities in this thread also in the 2018 and 2016 threads on the same topic. The same fricking people. We will die of old age arguing about theropod lips and how moronic OP is.

                Probably the only thing more disturbing than OP now being a 30+ year old man with a favorite dinosaur and strong opinions about how it's painted, is me pushing literal retirement and still arguing with him after 10 years of reading his diaper-wearing, wheelchair-sitting, helmet-having, closely-supervised, unironic adult moronation.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The funniest thing about this picture is that if you actually examine it the lower lip is not wide enough to contain the upper teeth. They BS'ed it. It should look more like this.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It opens its mouth in the show and you can see that’s not the case. Either way the argument concerning that reconstruction was about how fat the lower part of its head around the cheeks was

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is peak broscience. OP's reasoning belongs with these statements:

    "ah know it when ah see it"
    "den why err thur still monkeys"
    "if a dinosaur aint a skeleton then why do we find em all lookin like skeletons frickin LIBS"
    "these werent even alive i tell ya theyre all fake satan and the chinese made me, prove me wron ya cant idjut librul"

    In reality, T rex does not have enough room to fully close its jaws unless it somehow completely lacked muscle and cartilage in select parts of its joints, and there are no wear patterns to indicate that. There are also no wear patterns to indicate it lacked lips, and there are anatomical indicators that it did in fact have lips, which nothing else explains. The fully closed position is physically impossible once even the bare minimum of soft tissue is reconstructed from the clear and evident insertion points and evidence of nerve/blood supply.

    Also OP is a crypto-creationist schizophrenic who thinks everything out of china or anywhere near china is fake but can not explain how they faked it or why, normally resorting to claiming that there is an international conspiracy to make up dinosaurs that will somehow turn people gay by not looking exactly like the plastic toys he had in 1962.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Doesn't read OP
      >Posts this long ass mad post nobody is going to read that has nothing to do with what was originally stated in OP
      >Has a vegana

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >nobody is going to read that!
        you argue like a woman

        go transition already homie

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          No. Penis is superior to brainless vag support systems.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >penis is superior
            Spoken like the wiener hungry bawd you are

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it did in fact have lips
      Not a fact. Those "anatomical indicators" are not definitive proof but are used as support for a single possibility out of many.
      While there is a braindead schizo that argues with himself here, not everyone is him.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're both idiots

      we know for a fact that T. rex closed its jaws completely in life, just like all theropods. This is known from wear facets or occlusion facets on the teeth where they rubbed against each other in passing. Particularly the occlusion facets on the premaxillary and anterior dentary teeth prove it closed its jaws completely.

      this isn't even a question in paleontology, it is proven beyond doubt.

      >https://www.app.pan.pl/archive/published/app50/app50-093.pdf

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not only do the wear facets on the distal lingual surface of the anterior premaxillary and proximal labial surface of the anterior dentary teeth show that the jaw closed fully, it also shows that the occlusion of these teeth prevented the lower teeth from cutting into the roof of the mouth. An example of this sort of wear was posted a few months back by that canadian Wauf anon that's always finding tyrannosaurid teeth. It's not an uncommon find.

        It says nothing about whether or not they had lips. It just means if they had lips on the lower jaw, they were more like jowls that went out and around the upper teeth and probably hung down like sacks below the jaw to cover the upper teeth when they exceeded the ventral margin of the dentary.

        As usual the paleoschizo is trying to copy me and failing.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You always act like you know so much about theropods then pretend you've NEVER heard any of these arguments before. It's really pretty amazing.

          >As usual the paleoschizo is trying to copy me and failing.
          Here comes the persecution complex again.

          >jowls
          Lol no way in hell. I guarantee this isn't right.

          https://i.imgur.com/BHDJJ5g.jpg

          [...]
          It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids

          meaning neither one is a good model for theropod jaw mechanics since neither one occludes the teeth as theropods do.

          this is the sort of shit you pick up if you actually study paleontology instead of just looking at pictures of dinosaurs all day erry day. Because paleontology isn't just the study of extinct animals. It's also the study of living ones to understand how the extinct ones were built and how they behaved. Paleontologists don't just know way more than the schizo about dinosaurs. We know more than him about almost any animal alive. At the rate he reads he will never catch up.

          >It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids
          Yeah, again, then why won't people shut the frick up about how T. rex is just a large varanid, when it's clearly not?

          >this is the sort of shit you pick up if you actually study paleontology instead of just looking at pictures of dinosaurs all day erry day.
          I don't really study theropods. Theropods are for gays. I just know what I've seen and read in passing which can't be right.

          >Paleontologists don't just know way more than the schizo about dinosaurs. We know more than him about almost any animal alive.
          This is completely wrong. I guarantee I know far more about living animals now than you EVER will. Theropods are the only dinosaurs I don't care that much about because, as has been well established by now, theropods are for trannnies and gaylords. Not only that, but if you all study living animals in comparison to dinosaurs so well, why has nobody every compared dinosaurs to FISH? They resemble fish more than any other vertebrate. Hadrosaurs have chewing batteries similar to parrotfish teeth, juvenile herds are only found in two vertebrate groups: dinosaurs and FISH, sauropod teeth are similar in structure to marine angelfish, moorish idols and surgeons. Again, never heard these things outside my own observations.

          >paper about lips suggests jaws are held slightly apart and supports lips
          >this thread gets made trying to make fun of the idea of lips and the jaws being held apart
          You didn’t need to mention it, it’s fricking obvious. Anyone could tell you’re full of shit

          >paper about lips suggests jaws are held slightly apart and supports lips
          Was it? I didn't read it. I've seen this argument in several places online.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Was it? I didn't read it
            >I've seen this argument in several places online
            So either you’re lying or you’re such a moron you’re trying to argue about something when you haven’t even read the paper and reasoning behind it

            https://i.imgur.com/ZPAc8QQ.jpg

            Your picture shows the problem. Perhaps for other theropods this is an argument (though far from a certainty), but with T. rex specifically, their upper teeth are so separated from their lower teeth that the lower lips would be ENORMOUSLY fat. Every reconstruction I've ever seen of T. rex that has lips covering the upper teeth just looks viscerally wrong.

            >looks viscerally wrong
            And there you have it. It looks wrong therefore it must be, regardless of what any data suggests. Whether or not it had lips is undecided but you’re just going off what you do and don’t like in a reconstruction, it has nothing to do with the reality of things. Like when you were complaining about the lower jaw of the T. rex being too fat in prehistoric planet because you didn’t like the reconstruction, despite the fact it was correct

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/mavl82G.jpg

        Not only do the wear facets on the distal lingual surface of the anterior premaxillary and proximal labial surface of the anterior dentary teeth show that the jaw closed fully, it also shows that the occlusion of these teeth prevented the lower teeth from cutting into the roof of the mouth. An example of this sort of wear was posted a few months back by that canadian Wauf anon that's always finding tyrannosaurid teeth. It's not an uncommon find.

        It says nothing about whether or not they had lips. It just means if they had lips on the lower jaw, they were more like jowls that went out and around the upper teeth and probably hung down like sacks below the jaw to cover the upper teeth when they exceeded the ventral margin of the dentary.

        As usual the paleoschizo is trying to copy me and failing.

        It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids

        meaning neither one is a good model for theropod jaw mechanics since neither one occludes the teeth as theropods do.

        this is the sort of shit you pick up if you actually study paleontology instead of just looking at pictures of dinosaurs all day erry day. Because paleontology isn't just the study of extinct animals. It's also the study of living ones to understand how the extinct ones were built and how they behaved. Paleontologists don't just know way more than the schizo about dinosaurs. We know more than him about almost any animal alive. At the rate he reads he will never catch up.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, I don't disagree with you, but you're acting like you've never heard the argument that T. rex couldn't totally close its jaws before.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you're acting like you've never heard the argument that T. rex couldn't totally close its jaws before.
          I never have. It's a dumb argument since it's been disproven repeatedly, and every paleontologist that handles theropod teeth knows it.

          You always act like you know so much about theropods then pretend you've NEVER heard any of these arguments before. It's really pretty amazing.

          >As usual the paleoschizo is trying to copy me and failing.
          Here comes the persecution complex again.

          >jowls
          Lol no way in hell. I guarantee this isn't right.

          [...]
          >It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids
          Yeah, again, then why won't people shut the frick up about how T. rex is just a large varanid, when it's clearly not?

          >this is the sort of shit you pick up if you actually study paleontology instead of just looking at pictures of dinosaurs all day erry day.
          I don't really study theropods. Theropods are for gays. I just know what I've seen and read in passing which can't be right.

          >Paleontologists don't just know way more than the schizo about dinosaurs. We know more than him about almost any animal alive.
          This is completely wrong. I guarantee I know far more about living animals now than you EVER will. Theropods are the only dinosaurs I don't care that much about because, as has been well established by now, theropods are for trannnies and gaylords. Not only that, but if you all study living animals in comparison to dinosaurs so well, why has nobody every compared dinosaurs to FISH? They resemble fish more than any other vertebrate. Hadrosaurs have chewing batteries similar to parrotfish teeth, juvenile herds are only found in two vertebrate groups: dinosaurs and FISH, sauropod teeth are similar in structure to marine angelfish, moorish idols and surgeons. Again, never heard these things outside my own observations.

          [...]
          >paper about lips suggests jaws are held slightly apart and supports lips
          Was it? I didn't read it. I've seen this argument in several places online.

          >I just know what I've seen and read in passing which can't be right.
          not an argument

          >2005
          Super outdated. Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.

          >Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.
          doesn't change all the fossils found in north america that have wear marks

          https://i.imgur.com/ZPAc8QQ.jpg

          Your picture shows the problem. Perhaps for other theropods this is an argument (though far from a certainty), but with T. rex specifically, their upper teeth are so separated from their lower teeth that the lower lips would be ENORMOUSLY fat. Every reconstruction I've ever seen of T. rex that has lips covering the upper teeth just looks viscerally wrong.

          >lips covering the upper teeth just looks viscerally wrong.
          also not an argument.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I never have.
            Filtered. I don't believe this horseshit.

            >it's been disproven repeatedly
            You've never seen the argument, but you've seen it disproved repeatedly?? Are you high right now?

            >also not an argument.
            It absolutely is. "It looks stupid" would prevent a lot of the wrongheaded ideas going around mesozoic paleontology these days.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't believe this horseshit.
              this may come as a shock to you but professional dinosaur paleontologists don't get their info off deviantart

              sorry

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, I don't believe someone who thinks they're an expert on this overstudied lizard has never heard the theory that the jaws didn't close to allow for high lips in T. rex. Your live-in prostitute won't shut up about some paper that's mentioning it apparently too, so that's doubly doubtful.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >won't shut up about some paper that's mentioning it apparently too
                It’s hilarious you’re still acting like you don’t know

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I did just look it up. Apparently there's no open source for it so I can't even read it at the moment. Looks like it's all the same old claims as always though. "Teeth have to be wet", etc. Same old bullshit.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >paper about the exact topic of the thread comes out
                >schizo posts thread shortly after
                If you didn’t read the paper then you’re b***hing about a debate secondhand from reddit threads, which is even worse

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your veganal itching is not my problem. Be cleaner with your pussy.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                he's right

                everything you bring here is third hand at best

                you're absolutely worthless for learning from

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're worthless, have a nice day.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I can only talk bullshit and I’ve run out of bullshit

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't change all the fossils found in north america that have wear marks
            Americans tend to damage the fossils, destroying many fine details.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Americans tend to damage the fossils, destroying many fine details.
              some of the biggest cope I've ever seen from someone that's never handled a dinosaur tooth.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >2005
        Super outdated. Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >2005
        Super outdated. Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.

        So which theropods have these wear marks that show that they can close their mouths completely, and which don't? And why have so many people argued that specifically T. rex can't close its jaws when it's mouth is closed if this is the case?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >So which theropods have these wear marks that show that they can close their mouths completely, and which don't?
          you want a categorical list of all the approximately 900 known theropod species showing which are known to have wear facets and which aren't? I'd say you better get to work on that, it's going to take you a few years.
          >And why have so many people argued that specifically T. rex can't close its jaws when it's mouth is closed if this is the case?
          which people? How many?

          because all I'm seeing is you and OP complaining about people on reddit and deviantart saying that.

          The general public isn't aware of obscure shit like wear facets on theropod teeth. You understand that, right? The people you talk to on dinosaur forums aren't paleontologists.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >which people? How many?
            Again, I've seen this argument many times. I don't know why you haven't. Specifically that certain bones in the interior lower surface of the cranium wouldn't allow T. rex to fully close its jaws.

            How would the skin and flesh fit under that tooth?

            In the smaller animals, obviously the tissues would be thinner. It gets really problematic once T. rex starts getting big.

            >because all I'm seeing is you and OP
            I AM OP. I'm just asking a question based on that other anon's comment. Once again proving you can't actually tell the difference between posters, and your b***h needs to take her meds.

            shrinkwrapped even

            TRIGGERED

            One problem you're going to have with compiling your list of theropod wear facets is they're usually not published. When we do mention them it's usually just a single sentence in some paper nobody here is ever going to read.
            But we usually don't even do that. They're common enough that every paleontologist has seen them, so we don't publish them.

            This is a problem on Wauf where you don't take my word for anything and demand citations. I have citations for a few theropods that have wear facets, but I don't have citations for hundreds more that have never been published. Because it's not new or unusual information, so we just don't publish it.

            God you misunderstand everything. I take all this anecdotal information and add it to my inventory.

            https://i.imgur.com/siNGO4W.jpg

            >hard reinforced lip tissue
            So, a beak? We already have some reconstructions of this.

            No, a beak - specifically a rhamphotheca is literally a hard keratinous, DEAD structure. I'm talking about toughened living tissue beneath the skin. More like a callous.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I've seen this argument many times. I don't know why you haven't.
              I told you. I don't get my information off reddit and deviantart. Those people aren't paleontologists.
              >Specifically that certain bones in the interior lower surface of the cranium wouldn't allow T. rex to fully close its jaws.
              a moronic idea and you should know better than to take it seriously
              >Once again proving you can't actually tell the difference between posters,
              I knew it was you based on spelling and grammar, but when I call you by your right name you lie and say it wasn't you. When I pretend you're multiple people you gloat that I can't spot you. Sometimes I like to switch it up and watch you change gears.
              >TRIGGERED
              I made a joke for your benefit. I hope you appreciated it.
              >I take all this anecdotal information and add it to my inventory.
              we discussed wear facets on teeth in 2016 and 2018 and again in 2022. Probably some other times that I didn't find in archives.

              you take all this information and promptly forget about it and we have the exact same conversation year after year after year.

              I don't forget.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't get my information off reddit and deviantart.
                Just repeating criticisms you've heard me say about feathetrannies doesn't make you clever.

                >we discussed wear facets on teeth in 2016 and 2018 and again in 2022.
                You actually need to seek mental help.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Just repeating criticisms you've heard me say about feathetrannies doesn't make you clever.
                I don't go on either site so I don't consider them criticisms.

                I know for a fact you regularly get banned on reddit because you've posted proof before. Again, I don't judge. I don't care.

                if that's not where you're hearing all these people say rex couldn't close it's mouth, then where?
                Be specific. Where are you reading this?

                I've seen it exactly once, and that was itt

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I know for a fact you regularly get banned on reddit
                I don't use reddit. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

                >Again, I don't judge. I don't care.
                You care enough to fabricate an entire mythological universe about me. Seriously, seek medical help. For real.

                Only if you don’t add the same amount of flesh to the rest of the skull to try create a misleading image like this. The Sue reconstruction you like so much has exactly what you’re talking about

                All adult T. rex skulls are like this. The upper jaw is vastly wider than the lower jaw.

                >You actually need to seek mental help.
                You admitted as recently as a couple months ago that you were posting in threads that date from 2018, though perhaps you didn't realize they were that old when you admitted it.

                I see no reason to doubt the paleoschizo in 2016 was also you. I would guess you've been here almost as long as I have. If not you then someone just like you. Either way I wouldn't trust your word on it because you lie habitually.

                I've been here a lot longer than that, but cataloging specific dates of specific arguments in specific threads is a form of autism even I'm not capable of.

                I think it's called "Oppositional Defiance Disorder".

                Oppositional DefiANT Disorder.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've been here a lot longer than that, but cataloging specific dates of specific arguments in specific threads is a form of autism even I'm not capable of.
                I checked the archives for this topic yesterday to see how many times we've had this same thread.

                https://i.imgur.com/f5SiqDt.jpg

                this topic has been discussed several times a year for at least the last 5 years straight, and it's always the exact same anons discussing it. Often the exact same pictures and comments as well.

                Check the archives, you can literally identify personalities in this thread also in the 2018 and 2016 threads on the same topic. The same fricking people. We will die of old age arguing about theropod lips and how moronic OP is.

                Probably the only thing more disturbing than OP now being a 30+ year old man with a favorite dinosaur and strong opinions about how it's painted, is me pushing literal retirement and still arguing with him after 10 years of reading his diaper-wearing, wheelchair-sitting, helmet-having, closely-supervised, unironic adult moronation.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well WE haven't had it because I've never made this thread before.

                [...]
                [...]
                What I was actually curious about is how long it takes you to go from calling me moronic to completely agreeing with me.

                In this case I told you in at least 2016 that theropod jaws closed completely as evidenced by death poses and wear facets. I suggested this may indicate they didn't have lips, as any lips along the gumline would get cut off.
                I probably said it before that, but the archives don't go back further than that.

                At the time you or someone just like you called me moronic and demanded proof of tooth wear. In 2018 you or someone just like you was still denying that theropods could fully close their mouths.

                it took you almost 5 years on this topic to switch your stance and start agreeing with me. Not just agreeing with me, but copying me.

                Usually you're much faster. You usually copy my opinions in under 2 years.

                You keep forgetting that you're the one that does this. I call things that are obviously wrong and defy the actual fossil record moronic, then your prostitute gets all butthurt and you two go on a schizophrenic posting spree quadruple replying to every post.

                >In this case I told you in at least 2016 that theropod jaws closed completely as evidenced by death poses and wear facets
                I don't know if you told ME that.

                >In 2018 you or someone just like you was still denying that theropods could fully close their mouths.
                Again, you keep claiming you've never heard this before. Did you find an argument like this in the archives or something? I would NEVER argue that. That's the entire point of this thread. I just happened see the holotype of "Nanotyrannus" and got to thinking about this, then I accidentally found out that Sue's skull was also found in this position.

                >it took you almost 5 years on this topic to switch your stance and start agreeing with me
                Again, you need to cut this shit out and start believing people when they tell you what they believe and who they are. This is an anonymous board. You can either discuss topics, or go completely insane trying to accuse every single Waufner of being exactly the same person. You can't do both.

                [...]
                >it took you almost 5 years on this topic to switch your stance and start agreeing with me. Not just agreeing with me, but copying me.
                Which just means the stuff I'm teaching you right now, and you're calling me a moron for, is stuff you're going to be posting in a couple years and pretending you came up with it all on your own. When I remind you that I taught you that, you'll lie and say I was talking to someone else all along.

                which is amusing to me. How you defend your ego and how you correct mistakes is of way more interest to me than if T. rex had lips or if you know what "pronation" means.

                Bruh.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know if it was you or not, but I do know my memory is much better than yours, I have discussed this topic at length repeatedly on Wauf, you were here at the time and posting in dinosaur threads, and the person I was talking to argues exactly like you do.

                and later you made a thread exactly repeating arguments I have made repeatedly on the board while you were here.

                make of that what you want. I already know what it looks like to me.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                What I make of that is that you unironically have schizophrenia.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The alternative is something that scares you I think.

                Here's a little picture I made for you or someone just like you in 2018. Not the last time we had this thread, and also not the first time.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not afraid of internet comments, but your obsession with claiming that everyone is one person and that one person (everyone) is just always copying you are legitimately - not ironically - signs of actual schizophrenia.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                would you like me to hunt down the numerous threads where I said that the lower jaw of theropods closing fully behind the upper teeth indicates they didn't have lips?

                It's not proof that you're copying me, but it's certainly proof that I've been saying it right here on Wauf for years, and you admit you've been here that whole time.

                I don't even think you do it consciously, I doubt you're aware that you copy me constantly.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >would you like me to hunt down the numerous threads where I said that the lower jaw of theropods closing fully behind the upper teeth indicates they didn't have lips?
                Your mistake is believing this has anything to do with me. But now I'm curious, do you think large theropods didn't have enclosing lips? Because it sounds like that's what you're arguing, but that's very much not the mainstream view.

                https://i.imgur.com/S5RWigL.jpg

                >I'm not afraid of internet comments
                I think you're afraid that if I'm not crazy that means you are. A fear I can certainly understand, though I don't share it. It's scary to admit your mind isn't reliable. Very unsettling for someone that has an obsessive need to be right.

                and in the case of this thread I think you are right. But only because you're repeating something I've said several times over the last 12 years here. So of course I agree with you. Theropods are almost always depicted with their mouths wide open
                they're usually not found with their mouths open though.

                >I think you're afraid that if I'm not crazy that means you are.
                You're vastly overestimating how much I give a frick about this interweb drama. I'm only concerned with the science.

                >Theropods are almost always depicted with their mouths wide open
                >they're usually not found with their mouths open though.
                Yeah I find that annoying as hell.

                https://i.imgur.com/FQWV7Si.jpg

                >they're usually not found with their mouths open though.
                In fact when we find an articulated skull, the mouth is usually fully closed. It's the typical death pose for theropod crania.

                So what do you think the heads of these animals looked like alive? Take this image - it's a similar issue with T. rex. Some of those upper teeth reach near the bottom of the mandible.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that's very much not the mainstream view.
                on reddit

                >I'm only concerned with the science.
                >You're vastly overestimating how much I give a frick about this interweb drama
                I think you actually believe that.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So what do you think the heads of these animals looked like alive?
                I doubt they had lips, but if they did have lips I would guess they'd only be on the top jaw

                you don't need lips to keep the lower teeth wet, they were clear up inside the mouth behind the top teeth when the jaw was closed.

                the argument that the teeth would break if they dried out is dumb because theropod teeth constantly broke, meaning even if they had lips it wasn't stopping their teeth from breaking.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                They didn't have mammal lips. They had lizard lips. Which basically don't look like the lips you are clearly talking about.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/BHDJJ5g.jpg

                [...]
                It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids

                meaning neither one is a good model for theropod jaw mechanics since neither one occludes the teeth as theropods do.

                this is the sort of shit you pick up if you actually study paleontology instead of just looking at pictures of dinosaurs all day erry day. Because paleontology isn't just the study of extinct animals. It's also the study of living ones to understand how the extinct ones were built and how they behaved. Paleontologists don't just know way more than the schizo about dinosaurs. We know more than him about almost any animal alive. At the rate he reads he will never catch up.

                >It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids
                >meaning neither one is a good model for theropod jaw mechanics since neither one occludes the teeth as theropods do.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                let me know what part of
                >the lower jaw goes clear up inside the upper jaw
                you're having trouble understanding.

                I can try to dumb it down for you maybe.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the lower jaw goes clear up inside the upper jaw
                except it doesn't
                not only am I unaware of any extant animal that does this, the reason that happens in fossils is because the skull is literally broken and flattened by millions of tons of rocks pressing down on it

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                oops that was the wrong picture, meant to post this

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the reason that happens in fossils is because the skull is literally broken and flattened by millions of tons of rocks pressing down on it

                https://i.imgur.com/wtFoh8p.jpg

                You're both idiots

                we know for a fact that T. rex closed its jaws completely in life, just like all theropods. This is known from wear facets or occlusion facets on the teeth where they rubbed against each other in passing. Particularly the occlusion facets on the premaxillary and anterior dentary teeth prove it closed its jaws completely.

                this isn't even a question in paleontology, it is proven beyond doubt.

                >https://www.app.pan.pl/archive/published/app50/app50-093.pdf

                >we know for a fact that T. rex closed its jaws completely in life, just like all theropods. This is known from wear facets or occlusion facets on the teeth where they rubbed against each other in passing. Particularly the occlusion facets on the premaxillary and anterior dentary teeth prove it closed its jaws completely.
                you going to replay the entire thread?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we know for a fact that T. rex closed its jaws completely in life, just like all theropods

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                source is already posted itt, and I provided lots of helpful pictures too.

                https://i.imgur.com/wtFoh8p.jpg

                You're both idiots

                we know for a fact that T. rex closed its jaws completely in life, just like all theropods. This is known from wear facets or occlusion facets on the teeth where they rubbed against each other in passing. Particularly the occlusion facets on the premaxillary and anterior dentary teeth prove it closed its jaws completely.

                this isn't even a question in paleontology, it is proven beyond doubt.

                >https://www.app.pan.pl/archive/published/app50/app50-093.pdf

                https://i.imgur.com/mavl82G.jpg

                Not only do the wear facets on the distal lingual surface of the anterior premaxillary and proximal labial surface of the anterior dentary teeth show that the jaw closed fully, it also shows that the occlusion of these teeth prevented the lower teeth from cutting into the roof of the mouth. An example of this sort of wear was posted a few months back by that canadian Wauf anon that's always finding tyrannosaurid teeth. It's not an uncommon find.

                It says nothing about whether or not they had lips. It just means if they had lips on the lower jaw, they were more like jowls that went out and around the upper teeth and probably hung down like sacks below the jaw to cover the upper teeth when they exceeded the ventral margin of the dentary.

                As usual the paleoschizo is trying to copy me and failing.

                https://i.imgur.com/BHDJJ5g.jpg

                [...]
                It's also important to notice that the wear facets commonly found in theropod teeth are NOT found in crocodiles or varanids

                meaning neither one is a good model for theropod jaw mechanics since neither one occludes the teeth as theropods do.

                this is the sort of shit you pick up if you actually study paleontology instead of just looking at pictures of dinosaurs all day erry day. Because paleontology isn't just the study of extinct animals. It's also the study of living ones to understand how the extinct ones were built and how they behaved. Paleontologists don't just know way more than the schizo about dinosaurs. We know more than him about almost any animal alive. At the rate he reads he will never catch up.

                https://i.imgur.com/H0y7ZBg.jpg

                >Americans tend to damage the fossils, destroying many fine details.
                some of the biggest cope I've ever seen from someone that's never handled a dinosaur tooth.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >not only am I unaware of any extant animal that does this
                yes.

                that's why using extant animals as analogs for theropod lips doesn't work. They closed their jaws in a way that extant animals do not.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/RBDpiQo.jpg

                oops that was the wrong picture, meant to post this

                let me know what part of
                >the lower jaw goes clear up inside the upper jaw
                you're having trouble understanding.

                I can try to dumb it down for you maybe.

                Now how can you say you've never heard this argument before. Here it is. You honestly have never heard anyone argue this before? I don't believe you. I've seen it argued on youtube even.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Now how can you say you've never heard this argument before. Here it is.
                check the archives. Was it here before this thread? Can you prove that's not you posting it right now?

                I have never heard it before. I don't read youtube comment sections. I don't watch dinosaur videos. And I don't take either medium seriously.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've seen it before. Not necessarily here. But you're autistic about theropods so I refuse to believe you've NEVER seen ANYONE claim that T. rex couldn't completely close its jaws.

                [...]
                If you don't want it to look like you're samegayging, sock-puppeting, strawmaning, and generally just talking to the voices in your head,

                maybe don't be here at the exact same moment someone mysteriously shows up to disagree with you every time.

                Most of the time when I disagree with you it takes hours for you to respond, because you are not me and you don't know when I'm going to post. Other "people" not so much. They show up when you do, use your own arguments and counterarguments, and post graphics and memes that look very much like the ones you post.

                maybe they're real people, maybe they're just you talking to yourself. But we never see them when you're gone. For some reason you're always here when "they" are.

                LOL you replied to two different people.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >LOL you replied to two different people.

                I'm one but not the other and lol'd at his reply. Must be a hormonal schizo troony making these posts.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's actually a batshit insane couple. I only realized this recently. The woman is I gradually came to hate them tier.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Moar like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw0PdXYf4Yo

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well you're apparently missing out then, because I knew about this theory long before this paper came out. I've heard it argued on the internet for years now.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                until I see it published in a paper it doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned. It's out there with Pete's dragon and Littlefoot the Longneck in stuff I don't know or care about.

                but thanks for keeping me up to date on the bullshit people are discussion on the internets.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure it came from some mainstream moron. All the dumbest paleo ideas do.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't need to keep teeth wet to begin with. This is yet another moronic meme created by anatomical illiterates.

                https://i.imgur.com/t7mQ1Ey.jpg

                They didn't have mammal lips. They had lizard lips. Which basically don't look like the lips you are clearly talking about.

                We all know they would have had reptilian lips, but the argument is they likely didn't. I was actually thinking about it today and I realized there is another group of animals that has a jaw and tooth construction just like Theropods: Gorgonopsids. It's weird we have multiple examples of this orientation in extinct taxa, but none in living ones. That makes it very hard to reconstruct what this looked like.

                https://i.imgur.com/yzTVmMb.jpg

                >the lower jaw goes clear up inside the upper jaw
                except it doesn't
                not only am I unaware of any extant animal that does this, the reason that happens in fossils is because the skull is literally broken and flattened by millions of tons of rocks pressing down on it

                https://i.imgur.com/RBDpiQo.jpg

                oops that was the wrong picture, meant to post this

                And here we get to the point of the entire thread. This is the shit I'm talking about. There's no reason T. rex had to hold its jaws open to close its mouth when the skulls themselves are already found that way. Lizard skulls can't close like this. Theropods are not Varanids. They're not even close.

                >not only am I unaware of any extant animal that does this, the reason that happens in fossils is because the skull is literally broken and flattened by millions of tons of rocks pressing down on it
                That's not why, dipshit. If that were the only reason, the cranium and mandible wouldn't interlock like puzzle pieces.

                >not only am I unaware of any extant animal that does this
                yes.

                that's why using extant animals as analogs for theropod lips doesn't work. They closed their jaws in a way that extant animals do not.

                Agreed. A lot of times with dinosaurs we HAVE NO modern corollaries. Dinosaurs are unique in a lot of ways. That's why it pisses me off so much when morons use mammals of all things to reconstruct their faces.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't need to keep teeth wet to begin with.
                >Wauf has never upgraded the ability to post more than one image at a time
                SHAMEFUR

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not afraid of internet comments
                I think you're afraid that if I'm not crazy that means you are. A fear I can certainly understand, though I don't share it. It's scary to admit your mind isn't reliable. Very unsettling for someone that has an obsessive need to be right.

                and in the case of this thread I think you are right. But only because you're repeating something I've said several times over the last 12 years here. So of course I agree with you. Theropods are almost always depicted with their mouths wide open
                they're usually not found with their mouths open though.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they're usually not found with their mouths open though.
                In fact when we find an articulated skull, the mouth is usually fully closed. It's the typical death pose for theropod crania.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                another skull found with the mouth closed

                it's pretty normal in all theropods, including the one in the OP. Museums restore them with the mouth wide open because that's what the kids want to see, not because they couldn't close their mouths.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've been here a lot longer than that
                Also since you were posting at bugguy in 2016 you're just confirming what I already know.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've been here a lot longer than that, but cataloging specific dates of specific arguments in specific threads is a form of autism even I'm not capable of.
                I checked the archives for this topic yesterday to see how many times we've had this same thread.
                [...]

                >I've been here a lot longer than that
                Also since you were posting at bugguy in 2016 you're just confirming what I already know.

                What I was actually curious about is how long it takes you to go from calling me moronic to completely agreeing with me.

                In this case I told you in at least 2016 that theropod jaws closed completely as evidenced by death poses and wear facets. I suggested this may indicate they didn't have lips, as any lips along the gumline would get cut off.
                I probably said it before that, but the archives don't go back further than that.

                At the time you or someone just like you called me moronic and demanded proof of tooth wear. In 2018 you or someone just like you was still denying that theropods could fully close their mouths.

                it took you almost 5 years on this topic to switch your stance and start agreeing with me. Not just agreeing with me, but copying me.

                Usually you're much faster. You usually copy my opinions in under 2 years.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                [...]
                What I was actually curious about is how long it takes you to go from calling me moronic to completely agreeing with me.

                In this case I told you in at least 2016 that theropod jaws closed completely as evidenced by death poses and wear facets. I suggested this may indicate they didn't have lips, as any lips along the gumline would get cut off.
                I probably said it before that, but the archives don't go back further than that.

                At the time you or someone just like you called me moronic and demanded proof of tooth wear. In 2018 you or someone just like you was still denying that theropods could fully close their mouths.

                it took you almost 5 years on this topic to switch your stance and start agreeing with me. Not just agreeing with me, but copying me.

                Usually you're much faster. You usually copy my opinions in under 2 years.

                >it took you almost 5 years on this topic to switch your stance and start agreeing with me. Not just agreeing with me, but copying me.
                Which just means the stuff I'm teaching you right now, and you're calling me a moron for, is stuff you're going to be posting in a couple years and pretending you came up with it all on your own. When I remind you that I taught you that, you'll lie and say I was talking to someone else all along.

                which is amusing to me. How you defend your ego and how you correct mistakes is of way more interest to me than if T. rex had lips or if you know what "pronation" means.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You actually need to seek mental help.
                You admitted as recently as a couple months ago that you were posting in threads that date from 2018, though perhaps you didn't realize they were that old when you admitted it.

                I see no reason to doubt the paleoschizo in 2016 was also you. I would guess you've been here almost as long as I have. If not you then someone just like you. Either way I wouldn't trust your word on it because you lie habitually.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm talking about toughened living tissue beneath the skin. More like a callous.
              Callouses are made of dead tissue.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you want a much shorter list, I can tell you which theropods I have personally seen wear facets on.

          I've seen wear facets on Allosaurus, Saurophaganax, Ceratosaurus, Torvosaurus, an unidentified raptor, T. rex, Albertosaurus, and Daspletosaurus.

          this is only because I study large theropods, mostly from the Jurassic and all from North America. So I don't handle a lot of other theropod teeth. I'm told that most theropods with known teeth have premaxillary wear facets.
          And all theropods are assumed to have completely closed their jaws. The presence of wear facets proves they closed their jaws completely, but the absence of known wear facets does NOT prove they couldn't close their jaws. Right? Just because wear facets aren't known from some particular species does NOT mean it couldn't close its mouth. It just means either we haven't found a lot of teeth for the species, or all the teeth we found came from specimens that didn't rub their teeth together when they closed their mouths. Wear facets are a sign of dental malocclusion. They're not normal. They do prove that the animals fully closed their mouths, but that doesn't mean every animal that fully closed its mouth had teeth that rubbed together.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          One problem you're going to have with compiling your list of theropod wear facets is they're usually not published. When we do mention them it's usually just a single sentence in some paper nobody here is ever going to read.
          But we usually don't even do that. They're common enough that every paleontologist has seen them, so we don't publish them.

          This is a problem on Wauf where you don't take my word for anything and demand citations. I have citations for a few theropods that have wear facets, but I don't have citations for hundreds more that have never been published. Because it's not new or unusual information, so we just don't publish it.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they're usually not published.
            or they're simply not noticed.

            like this guy here

            >2005
            Super outdated. Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.

            >Super outdated. Recent fossils out of China show no wear marks.
            who isn't aware of the 4 older papers on 3 different chinese tyrannosaurids that had wear facets.

            It's not like anyone here is studying the literature for this information aside from me. And even I don't care about it, it's just a bit of unsurprising data.

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >T. rex had to hold its jaws open
    wat

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    imo that makes lips more likely
    theres no place for lips to fit under those upper teeth

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Possibly, but the claim that the jaws should be agape while the mouth is closed doesn't seem to hold water. It's also totally possible that lips covering the entire teeth are absent. This doesn't tell us much except that indeed the T. rex skull can fully close.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >theres no place for lips to fit under those upper teeth
      The idea was that the upper teeth would be accommodated by a space between the lower lip and jaw and not under the upper teeth, like in Komodo dragons. So regardless of whether or not the jaws were held apart it doesn’t really change much for whether or not lips were present. I’m more convinced it had lips but there’s not a whole lot of evidence either way

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your picture shows the problem. Perhaps for other theropods this is an argument (though far from a certainty), but with T. rex specifically, their upper teeth are so separated from their lower teeth that the lower lips would be ENORMOUSLY fat. Every reconstruction I've ever seen of T. rex that has lips covering the upper teeth just looks viscerally wrong.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's a reason these reconstructions with lips on T. rex are almost never shown from the front. It makes T. rex look like a hippopotamus. All the pink is JUST gum tissue. The lips and gums are thicker than the lower jaw itself just to BARELY accommodate the upper teeth.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only if you don’t add the same amount of flesh to the rest of the skull to try create a misleading image like this. The Sue reconstruction you like so much has exactly what you’re talking about

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is there so much dinosaur moronation on Wauf? Is it an acquired autism?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      There’s a very passionate moron who likes to argue with himself over things nobody actually cares about

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Palaeontology attracts autists.
      T. Has a bachelor's in palaeontology. I spent 3+ years with the most autistic people you've ever met in your life. It was like a zoo.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It was like a zoo.
        Meanwhile zoo staff is very well socialized.

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You clearly have no idea what taphonomy is

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you a paleontologist? No? Then shut up. Science is about listening to experts, not asking questions.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can't tell if this post is ironic or just reddit.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        then you must be new

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You know there is an actual mental disorder about taking a hypercontrarian stance to anything you consider "authorative" right?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Source: The Authorities that you are questioning

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          How's it called? I might have it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think it's called "Oppositional Defiance Disorder".

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              that's odd

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I fricking love science
      Can you even imagine
      Way back in the past when
      We thought that storms were caused by
      petty gods
      fighting on top of a mountain

      and yeah, I like a good story
      but eventually it's gonna bore me
      If it doesn't have that truth
      That incontrovertible, testable, repeatable proof

      I fricking love science
      And I fricking love Charles Darwin
      Cause I don't think it's bold to question what you're told
      If you're told the world's a thousand years old
      There's nothing here to argue against
      It's a process not an ideology
      And I fricking love science

      Sometimes people ask me
      Of all of the centuries
      Which I'd pick to live life in
      Well that's pretty easy
      Right now, if you think objectively
      If you like hot running water
      And memory foam beds
      And TV shows and cell phones
      And not being dead

      You fricking love science
      And I fricking love Carl Sagan
      Cause I think it's fly to look up in the sky
      And never ever ever stop wondering why
      There's nothing here to argue against
      It's a process not an ideology
      And I fricking love science

      Woolly mammoth embryos
      Vaccines for smallpox and polio
      Your TV set, the Internet
      Your PS4, supersonic jets

      Exoplanets, galaxies
      DNA, germ theory, relativity
      Just take a sec to think about it
      How screwed we would be without it

      I fricking love science
      And I love Rosalind Franklin
      Cause I wanna die remembering why
      The truth is more important than winning a prize
      There's nothing here to argue against
      It's a process not an ideology
      And I fricking love science

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Woolly mammoth embryos
        1: Never going to happen. The modern "scientists" are not smart enough to even make this a possibility
        2: Humans wiped out the mammoths, but modern "scientists" won't allow anyone to say this

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why is a dead body in an unnatural position
    its not unheard of for giant lizards
    but it's not how they were in life. it's a squished desiccated corpse.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      neither is
      > had to hold its jaws open and had massive lips

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        What animal is this?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      A million hours in MS paint and I finally made your precious varanid a T. rex.

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What’s that got to do with lips

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It specifically has to do with the claim that the lips require the jaw to gape while the mouth is closed.

      https://i.imgur.com/OY5495a.jpg

      neither is
      > had to hold its jaws open and had massive lips

      This is exactly what I'm talking about though. These jaws are agape. They're not bone on bone like the T. rex skulls naturally fit together. You literally can't do that with this skull, but you can with a Tyrannosaur skull.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the lips require the jaw to gape while the mouth is closed
        They don’t. That’s not the claim the recent paper made

        >You literally can't do that with this skull
        Not with a croc monitor, but it has highly specialised teeth and jaws

        https://i.imgur.com/U5f2n6c.jpg

        A million hours in MS paint and I finally made your precious varanid a T. rex.

        You used to say that because T. rex had teeth that overhang the lower jaw it couldn’t possibly have lips, despite the fact that’s also seen in Komodo dragons. How does whether or not it’s jaws are held slightly apart change that? The teeth still overhang

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They don’t. That’s not the claim the recent paper made
          Nobody said anything about any recent paper. This is a pretty old claim.

          You clearly have no idea what taphonomy is

          Generally, skulls can't be preserved in a fashion that is physically impossible for them. That's my point. This COULD only be a matter of taphonomy, but it's really weird that the skulls are being preserved like this to begin with. At bare minimum, they CAN be preserved like this. Lizard skulls can't, which means it's not POSSIBLE that lizard skulls could be held like this in life. Do you see my point?

          Why is there so much dinosaur moronation on Wauf? Is it an acquired autism?

          Why do you complain constantly? Where else would dinosaur threads go? This is like whining about robotics posted to Wauf? OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE POSTING ABOUT ROBOTS ON Wauf!??! MODS!! BAN THESE POSTERS!!!! You're such an ugly, tired old prostitute.

          then you must be new

          Nah, blue boards are just generally shit. Their heavier moderation attracts redditors and trannies.

          Palaeontology attracts autists.
          T. Has a bachelor's in palaeontology. I spent 3+ years with the most autistic people you've ever met in your life. It was like a zoo.

          >It was like a zoo.
          You mean run by business majors and generally mismanaged? Lol I keed, but yeah obviously. Dinosaurs = autism. I don't know what people are expecting.

          What animal is this?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do you complain constantly? Where else would dinosaur threads go?
            Nobody is complaining about dinosaur threads

            Everyone complains about you personally.
            You suck

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Nobody is complaining about dinosaur threads
              You are literally every time they appear. What are you going to do when women are returned to second class status?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This is a pretty old claim.
            I’d like to see who has made that claim in the past, because the first I’ve seen of the idea that it held its mouth slightly open was just recently. Either way even if it didn’t hold its mouth slightly open I still don’t see how that changes whether or not lips were present

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I’d like to see who has made that claim in the past, because the first I’ve seen of the idea that it held its mouth slightly open was just recently.
              Held it's JAWS slightly agape. Not the mouth. The mouth theoretically would be CLOSED while the jaws were slightly open. In other words, the jaws need to be open to leave enough room for lips that can contain the giant teeth, same as in lizards, except T. rex jaw and tooth architecture is totally different.

              >Why do you complain constantly? Where else would dinosaur threads go? This is like whining about robotics posted to Wauf? OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE POSTING ABOUT ROBOTS ON Wauf!??! MODS!! BAN THESE POSTERS!!!! You're such an ugly, tired old prostitute
              It’s not the presence of dinosaur threads, it’s the dog shit content of the threads you post, your constant whining about depictions you don’t like and fricking up good threads with your moronic bullshit. You are the biggest embarrassment on the board

              It's not dinosaur threads. It's you, a single woman that will not stop whining about dinosaur threads on Wauf.

              You know there is an actual mental disorder about taking a hypercontrarian stance to anything you consider "authorative" right?

              You are worthless. have a nice day.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Held it's JAWS slightly agape
                This is also true for some crocodilians.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Held it's JAWS slightly agape
                That is obviously what I mean
                >In other words, the jaws need to be open to leave enough room for lips that can contain the giant teeth, same as in lizards, except T. rex jaw and tooth architecture is totally different.
                That is not the case, and that is not the claim made by the paper. The presence of lips is not made impossible or even unlikely by the lower jaw slotting into the upper jaw
                >will not stop whining about dinosaur threads on Wauf
                As opposed to a single moron who will not stop whining about feathers and lips on Wauf. You ruin every dinosaur thread you enter regardless of the subject by screaming about trannies and Chinese scientists

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again, nobody mentioned any paper. Everything out of your mouth is logical fallacy. Shut up, woman.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >paper about lips suggests jaws are held slightly apart and supports lips
                >this thread gets made trying to make fun of the idea of lips and the jaws being held apart
                You didn’t need to mention it, it’s fricking obvious. Anyone could tell you’re full of shit

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do you complain constantly? Where else would dinosaur threads go? This is like whining about robotics posted to Wauf? OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE POSTING ABOUT ROBOTS ON Wauf!??! MODS!! BAN THESE POSTERS!!!! You're such an ugly, tired old prostitute
            It’s not the presence of dinosaur threads, it’s the dog shit content of the threads you post, your constant whining about depictions you don’t like and fricking up good threads with your moronic bullshit. You are the biggest embarrassment on the board

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't even posted on Wauf since like 2016 MAYBE. This is the first thread I click. I can already tell you're an insufferable poster. Back to /r/dinosaurs with you.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Silence, hole. But before you go, I'll take a Smokehouse Brisket with some curly fries.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Silence, hole. But before you go, I'll take a Smokehouse Brisket with some curly fries.

              If you don't want it to look like you're samegayging, sock-puppeting, strawmaning, and generally just talking to the voices in your head,

              maybe don't be here at the exact same moment someone mysteriously shows up to disagree with you every time.

              Most of the time when I disagree with you it takes hours for you to respond, because you are not me and you don't know when I'm going to post. Other "people" not so much. They show up when you do, use your own arguments and counterarguments, and post graphics and memes that look very much like the ones you post.

              maybe they're real people, maybe they're just you talking to yourself. But we never see them when you're gone. For some reason you're always here when "they" are.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cope, schizo. Haven't been here in years, I mostly hang out in Wrong board, Wrong board, >>>/n/, >>>Wauf and video game boards. But scrolling through this thread was hilarious and you need to check yourself into a psychiatric hospital and request some aripiprazole.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Haven't been here in years
                you also tend to leave out the "I" when you lie.

                most people do.

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    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous
  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      How would the skin and flesh fit under that tooth?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It would have to be very thin, no?

        like crocodiles. Basically just scales directly covering bone.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          shrinkwrapped even

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