Toxoplasmosis gondii

I recently had to move in with an outdoor catfag as my only living option, and the vague stuff Wauf says about this shit had me terrified. Ended up doing some research into it, and wanted to share what I found and start an actual discussion without the hyperbole (if we can)

Firstly I want to distinguish toxoplasma gondii and latent toxoplasmosis; toxoplasma gondii is essentially food poisoning that only really affects pregnant women and is tied to infant mortality, head deformation, vision issues, mental disability and seizures. Latent toxoplasmosis is a long term parasitic infection caused by toxoplasma gondii. Whenever Wauf refers to 'T. gondii,' they actually mean latent toxoplasmosis.

Toxoplasma gondii starts it's life in a cat's stomach, the only animal it can breed in, as an oocyst which contains sporozoites. The oocyst ends up in the cat shit and can spread around, infecting by either being inhaled or digested.
I looked into it and the only effective common cleaner you can use to kill oocysts are ammonia; 10% at least. Sauce:
https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.2307/3277601
https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.2307/3284606

One ingested or inhaled the oocyst is shed releasing the sporozoites, which turn into tachyzoites. The tachyzoites turn into bradyzoites once they come into contact with the central nervous system, and the bradyzoites are the latent toxoplasmosis.

The only way to test for latent toxoplasmosis infection in humans is a serologic test for high immunoglobulin G (IgG), an antibody to T. gondii.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >without the hyperbole
    FUCK YOU
    GET FELINE BRAIN AIDS AND DIE

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Majority of toxoplasmosis infections are caused by undercooked meat.
    This is like blaming the 400 yearly aircraft deaths for all transportation deaths even though cars kill about 35,000 a year in the U.S. alone.

    Fucking morons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally half, not a majority. almost like humans eat both meat and vegetables. unlike meat, vegetables are routinely eaten undercooked. also, they literally would not happen if cats were kept indoors. this is not a reason to shift the goalposts to meat. the problem is lazy and delusional pet owners turning what should be a stomach ache and runny shits into death.

      >guys the pitbulls deaths were caused by...subpar training! cynophobes!
      >the other 10,000 dog breeds: do not randomly kill people if not perfectly trained
      >NO THIS IS NO REASON TO HATE PITBULLS REEEE

      https://i.imgur.com/eDcySiv.gif

      Not that anon, but,
      >Huh, here's a disease that kills hundreds of people every year and we could wipe it out by being responsible pet owners. Interesting.
      This is debatable given the number of stray cats there are, as well as the fact rescued strays go insane and start destroying the house if you don't let them out. The catfag I mentioned living with in OP has one like that.
      On top of strays, can rabbits live for years.

      I'm not defending outdoor cats at all (especially as a bird lover), but the situation is definitely more complicated than you're making it out to be. In order to potentially "wipe out" toxoplasma gondii there would need to be a concerted effort to capture all (or nearly all) strays in a given country, and (presumably) euthanize the ones incapable of adapting to indoor-only life. This would be a MAJOR undertaking.

      >Also, it looks like Wauf was wrong and latent toxoplasmosis doesn't do anything.
      I wasn't necessarily saying it does 'nothing,' but that there are flaws in the logic of the research methods used, and that correlation to schizophrenia is definitely overblown. Pic related is the result.
      Wauf is wrong, but the common Wauf take is essentially that toxoplasma gondii is a microscopic headcrab that turns you into a cat loving headcrab zombie, so that's a given.

      >This is debatable given the number of stray cats there are, as well as the fact rescued strays go insane and start destroying the house if you don't let them out.
      do you know what we do to dogs that are the same way? we kill them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's THE majority because there's tons of underlying reasons for causing toxo so yes, majority

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well if you count cats as "meat" then meat is definitely the leading cause of toxo. now where's my #5 with chow mein?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            raw meat*
            Eating undercooked, contaminated meat (especially pork, lamb, and venison) or shellfish (for example, oysters, clams or mussels).
            Accidental ingestion of undercooked, contaminated meat or shellfish after handling them and not washing hands thoroughly (Toxoplasma cannot be absorbed through intact skin).
            Eating food that was contaminated by knives, utensils, cutting boards and other foods that have had contact with raw, contaminated meat or shellfish.
            Drinking water contaminated with Toxoplasma gondii.
            Accidentally swallowing the parasite through contact with cat feces that contain Toxoplasma. This might happen by
            Cleaning a cat’s litter box when the cat has shed Toxoplasma in its feces;
            Touching or ingesting anything that has come into contact with cat feces that contain Toxoplasma; or
            Accidentally ingesting contaminated soil (e.g., not washing hands after gardening or eating unwashed fruits or vegetables from a garden).
            Mother-to-child (congenital) transmission.
            Receiving an infected organ transplant or infected blood via transfusion, though this is rare.

            French have a high % of toxo and it's because of tartare

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And this would all be a non issue if cats were kept indoors, which would also benefit cats. Outdoor cats suffer more and die sooner.

              >no surely the disease is spread by fleas not rats stop hating the rats that have the disease and transmit it to fleas and bring them into our homes they din du nuffin -your logic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most of those issues does not have to do with cats. The affect with toxo and cats is pretty much insignificant

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Toxo (one of the most fatal diseases transmitted by these activities) only exists in the food supply because of cats roaming outdoors. Eliminating outdoor cats would reduce toxo cases to almost nothing. And there is no reason not to. They also kill off vulnerable and fragile wildlife, and suffer and die themselves.

                >but surely, it is the fleas. the rats have nothing to do with it!
                >why are the fleas here and where did they get plague.
                >RATS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uncooked raw meat* once again there's statistics of french people having a high % of toxo because of dietary issues, not cats

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and they would not have toxo, along with all the people who dared to eat salad (the other 50% of toxo cases), if cats were kept indoors, which would also improve the quality of life and lifespan of the cats...

                ...so what is your point? we should let cats outdoors because you personally dislike the dietary choices that are associated with 50% of fatal toxo cases? despite the other 50%? or the literal animal abuse of outdoor catgayry and its underlying harmful delusions?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you wasting your time with this anon? Anyone reasonable knows that toxo is just apart of a cats nature.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the other 50% of toxo cases
                source?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      holy fuck youre retarded
      its more like blaming cats for shitting up the food supply because thats literally what it is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cats infect cattle
        You have a room temperature IQ.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          pray how does the meat get inected then, mrs big brain?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cats shit in the grass, cows eat the grass.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you have no business commenting on other's iq

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is like blaming the 400 yearly aircraft deaths for all transportation deaths even though cars kill about 35,000 a year in the U.S. alone.
      Based /n/igger.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokola_lyssavirus
    hopefully no one starts adopting random cats from africa because they have vaccine-resistant rabies that can infect humans, and it can be transmitted by mosquito bites. it just recently jumped the species barrier. prior to last year it was only known to be found in cats, and the tree shrews they sometimes hunted.

    maybe all the rabid cat hate that seems to have popped up out of nowhere in the past few years is god intervening in reality to try and prevent mosquito-borne rabies conquering the planet on the back of feline philanthropism.
    >be redditor
    >adopt the poor heckin african kitterinos with virus in its incubation phase
    >rabies vaccine doesn't affect it
    >lets them roam outside because the animal with half as many cortical neurons as a chihuahua totally appreciates the freedom and wouldn't be just as happy with a cat tree and some cardboard boxes
    >mokolavirus spreads far and wide as the cat bites a bunch of shit and gets bitten by mosquitoes
    >end of the world tier pandemic ensues

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MOKV-infected domestic cats do not demonstrate the unprovoked aggressive behaviour typically associated with rabies virus-infected mammals.
      And you'd never suspect they had it until it was too late...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MOKV-infected domestic cats do not demonstrate the unprovoked aggressive behaviour typically associated with rabies virus-infected mammals.
      And you'd never suspect they had it until it was too late...

      Jesus christ fucking shit catgays are actually going to cause the end of the world

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The food poisoning kind 1: only exists because of outdoor cats, otherwise it cant breed 2: kills more people a year than dogs. In the US alone.

    So ALL CATS are more dangerous to humans than merely SOME DOGS if they are allowed outside at all.

    Outdoor cats are twice as bad as fucking pitbulls.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not defending outdoor cats, but do you have any source on the mortality rate from toxoplasma gondii?
      It seems the only mortalities it causes are miscarriages and stillborns.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s still human lives ending because of cats retard

        Dying as an infant and dying as a toddler are equally bad.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not saying it isn't human lives ending you fucking dolt. I'm asking for a source that more infants are killed from congenital toxoplasmosis annually than people killed by pitbulls; a claim you made.

          I looked it up and you were actually correct; pitbulls killed 33 people in 2019 whereas 750 deaths from toxoplasmosis are estimated a year.
          https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures
          https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/154/4/357/62015
          You could've just fucking said this but instead got your back up and tried to shift goalposts on a point you were right on.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cats 200x deadlier than pitbulls
            catsisters…

            …we are FUCKING BASED!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Crazy, is there any historical hatred for cats?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lots. They used to spread plague in medieval Europe, as badly as the rats they hunted.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They used to spread plague
                No they didn't and neither did rats
                It was spread by mites

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lots. They used to spread plague in medieval Europe, as badly as the rats they hunted.

              Yes
              James Frazer wrote:
              >It was the custom to burn a basket, barrel, or sack full of live cats, which was hung from a tall mast in the midst of the bonfire; sometimes a fox was burned. The people collected the embers and ashes of the fire and took them home, believing that they brought good luck. The French kings often witnessed these spectacles and even lit the bonfire with their own hands. In 1648 Louis XIV, crowned with a wreath of roses and carrying a bunch of roses in his hand, kindled the fire, danced at it and partook of the banquet afterwards in the town hall. But this was the last occasion when a monarch presided at the midsummer bonfire in Paris. At Metz, midsummer fires were lighted with great pomp on the esplanade, and a dozen cats, enclosed in wicker cages, were burned alive in them, to the amusement of the people. Similarly at Gap, in the department of the Hautes-Alpes, cats used to be roasted over the midsummer bonfire.
              >Cat-burning was also described in The Great Cat Massacre, a scholarly work by American historian Robert Darnton:
              Cats also figured in the cycle of Saint John the Baptist, which took place on June 24, at the time of summer solstice. Crowds made bonfires, jumped over them, danced around them, and threw into them objects with magical power, hoping to avoid disaster and obtain good fortune during the rest of the year. A favorite object was cats—cats tied up in bags, cats suspended from ropes, or cats burned at stake. Parisians liked to incinerate cats by the sackful, while the Courimauds (or "cour à miaud" or cat chasers) of Saint Chamond preferred to chase a flaming cat through the streets. In parts of Burgundy and Lorraine they danced around a kind of burning May pole with a cat tied to it. In the Metz region they burned a dozen cats at a time in a basket on top of a bonfire. The ceremony took place with great pomp in Metz itself, until it was abolished in 1765.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Although the practice varied from place to place, the ingredients were everywhere the same: a "feu de joie" (bonfire), cats, and an aura of hilarious witch-hunting. Wherever the scent of burning felines could be found, a smile was sure to follow.
                >Cat-burning was the subject of a 1758 text from the Benedictine Dom Jean François, Dissertation sur l’ancien usage des feux de la Saint-Jean, et d’y brûler les chats à Metz, recently published
                >According to Norman Davies, the assembled people "shrieked with laughter as the animals, howling with pain, were singed, roasted, and finally carbonized"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokola_lyssavirus
                hopefully no one starts adopting random cats from africa because they have vaccine-resistant rabies that can infect humans, and it can be transmitted by mosquito bites. it just recently jumped the species barrier. prior to last year it was only known to be found in cats, and the tree shrews they sometimes hunted.

                maybe all the rabid cat hate that seems to have popped up out of nowhere in the past few years is god intervening in reality to try and prevent mosquito-borne rabies conquering the planet on the back of feline philanthropism.
                >be redditor
                >adopt the poor heckin african kitterinos with virus in its incubation phase
                >rabies vaccine doesn't affect it
                >lets them roam outside because the animal with half as many cortical neurons as a chihuahua totally appreciates the freedom and wouldn't be just as happy with a cat tree and some cardboard boxes
                >mokolavirus spreads far and wide as the cat bites a bunch of shit and gets bitten by mosquitoes
                >end of the world tier pandemic ensues

                Cats really are cythonic animals witches and egytians worshiped because of the brainworms.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Cats alone Male all the Row vs Wade bitching irrelevant.
            How could an animal be more based?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >only exists because of outdoor cats
      And native cats

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a nothingburger pushed by animal abusers and schizo's alike.

    The end.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah like the 30 sacrifices a year made for a pitbulls smile are a nothingburger and only animal abusing cynophobe schizos take issue with a pointless risk to human life.

      If you outright exterminated 4 distinct breed groups, there would be one or two dog related deaths a decade.
      If cats were kept indoors there would be 0 feline related deaths a century.

      And one of these options is literally not animal abuse. CATS ARE HAPPIER AND LONGER LIVED INDOORS.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >outdoor cat apologist trying to avoid having to actually take care of their pet
        toxo is a serious public health concern and it could be all but wiped out by simply keeping cats indoors. without them it can only reproduce in the guts of much rarer wild animals that don't hang out in farms and urban gardens where people usually contract it.
        >noooo but they hunt rats!
        >rat distribution map: everywhere but the frozen wastes where there are no cats either and a place in canada where they used human technology instead of expecting cats to do shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mentally ill freak trying to avoid having to take care of their posts
          spamming shitty threads is a serious forum health concern and it could be all but wiped out by simply having a life. without them it can only make better posts don't pretend to be different people and more ips in a thread where people actually post.
          >nooooo but it's free speech
          >not actually doing anything about the shitty websites who censor actual words

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Seething this hard over being told to keep your cat indoors
            free roaming animals spread filth and disease. allowing animals to roam free shortens their lifespans significantly and normally ends in extremely painful deaths. it is objectively morally wrong to allow an animal to roam free. keep your cat indoors.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Huh, here's a disease that kills hundreds of people every year and we could wipe it out by being responsible pet owners. Interesting. Also, it looks like Wauf was wrong and latent toxoplasmosis doesn't do anything.
            >NOO SCHIZO FREAK THIS IS A CONSPIRACY IM BEING SAMEFAG GANGSTALKED MY KITTY'S HECKIN FREEDOM YOU'RE ANIMAL ABUSERS AND SCHIZOS

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Humans can't even "be responsible pet owners" by not keeping dogs that were explicitly bred to attack people as family pets, resulting in about 50 deaths in the US every single year. Expecting the massive hordes of cat owners to be more responsible than a small but dangerous minority of dog owners is seriously pushing it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not that anon, but,
              >Huh, here's a disease that kills hundreds of people every year and we could wipe it out by being responsible pet owners. Interesting.
              This is debatable given the number of stray cats there are, as well as the fact rescued strays go insane and start destroying the house if you don't let them out. The catfag I mentioned living with in OP has one like that.
              On top of strays, can rabbits live for years.

              I'm not defending outdoor cats at all (especially as a bird lover), but the situation is definitely more complicated than you're making it out to be. In order to potentially "wipe out" toxoplasma gondii there would need to be a concerted effort to capture all (or nearly all) strays in a given country, and (presumably) euthanize the ones incapable of adapting to indoor-only life. This would be a MAJOR undertaking.

              >Also, it looks like Wauf was wrong and latent toxoplasmosis doesn't do anything.
              I wasn't necessarily saying it does 'nothing,' but that there are flaws in the logic of the research methods used, and that correlation to schizophrenia is definitely overblown. Pic related is the result.
              Wauf is wrong, but the common Wauf take is essentially that toxoplasma gondii is a microscopic headcrab that turns you into a cat loving headcrab zombie, so that's a given.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Latent toxoplasmosis is often linked in the media to,
    >Increased aggression
    >Motor vehicle accidents
    >Decreased reaction time
    >Alcoholism
    >Risky behavior
    >Schizophrenia
    >Alzheimer's
    I found this great study that points out many issues with methodology of this research,
    https://journals.asm.org/doi/epub/10.1128/mBio.02164-19

    Some of the more interesting points of note,
    >There is no way to tell whether these behaviors are caused by T. gondii, or created a higher likelihood of getting infected by T. gondii (risky behavior, schizophrenia, etc.)
    >Tests showed people with T. gondii had an odds ratio of 1.43 for schizophrenia; for comparison a maternal family history of schizophrenia has a ratio of 9.31, paternal age over 54 at 5.92, and weed use at 2.93

    I'm gonna do more reading, but wanted to start a discussion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Latent toxoplasmosis is often linked in the media to,
      >Increased aggression
      >Motor vehicle accidents
      >Decreased reaction time
      >Alcoholism
      >Risky behavior
      >Schizophrenia
      >Alzheimer's
      sounds like toxo is linked with being a chad, to me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, now that you mention it...
        https://peerj.com/articles/13122/

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there are anons ITT who aren't toxomaxxing RIGHT NOW

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thing is we can't tell if toxo causes people to be chads, or if chads are just more likely to get toxo.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sounds like toxo is linked with being a chad, to me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wanted to start a discussion
      And I'm sure it will be a calm and productive one, friend!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, numbers of 60%+ of the human race having latent toxoplasmosis are often tossed around, but for reference roughly 11% of the United States is infected. It's much more prevalent in the tropics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2013.10-NOAA-Hawaiian-monk-seals-and-toxo.pdf

      A bit old, but it gives a decent overview of the ways pretty much every port city gets contaminated along with any mussels or other filter feeders.

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