Strongest man in the world armed with a 2-handed bastard sword (claymore I guess since he's Scottish) vs.

Strongest man in the world armed with a 2-handed bastard sword (claymore I guess since he's Scottish) vs. an average grizzly bear.

Who wins?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man for a second there I thought that pic was Drachenlord

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Op is a gay once again

    https://search.brave.com/images?q=bear+height&source=web

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think you guys realize how fucking big and strong a grizzly is. They can run at like 40 mph for short distances. When basically half a small car is coming at you at 40 mph you’re fucked no matter what.

    (6ish year old where I work made pic related)

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys have killed bears with rocks, sticks and bare hands.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man wins.
    source: I played Skyrim

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if we can ask Mr. Stoltman to perform this task. Do you think he'd do it ?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But just shooting the bear may not be enough to stop the attack. Bears are tough with heavy muscle and hide and very strong, thick bones. So, the first challenge is for the bullet to penetrate deeply enough to get to vital organs which, when damaged sufficiently, will cause the animal to stop the attack immediately. However, even if the heart or lungs are destroyed, the bear may still have enough oxygen and blood in its system to carry out the attack and kill the victim. Sure, the bear may die, but not before the victim is dead.
    People think they're going to poke a bear and it'll pop like a balloon and turn into coins.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just because he can lift it doesn't mean he can fight or handle a sword. I'd give it to the bear.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's on steroids so his testosterone must be through the roof. If he channels his roid rage he'll cleave that bear apart easily.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2-handed bastard sword
    lel

    you don't need to be strongest man, it's about specific skill of where and in what moment you pierse it, you could do it with claimor same as they do with the spear

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wait, there are retards who imagine it as duel, ok i digress

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Advantage human, but it is very possible for the bear to come in after an unbalanced swing and nullify the weapon.
    Long as the human can keep the blade steady and under control, they should win.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >swing
      Why in the ever living fuck would you actually do that?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cuts are more disabling than thrusts. thrusts were more fatal before modern medicine even if you missed the vital organs and would guarantee death by the next battle, but someone who just had half their arm hacked through will fight back a wee bit less than someone who just received a 1" slit in their stomach, which leaves them with the use of all their limbs until shock wears off.

        there's a reason the most enduring military sword was a cutting sword.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cuts are more disabling than thrusts
          hahahaha
          Anyway yeah a bear is not doing shit after you drive a sword through one of it's lungs and several other organs. Human wins 9.9/10 times. The only way for the bear to win is if the human trips or accidentally drops his sword.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >hahahaha
            Yes. Elk can run 100 yards after a double lung and heart shot that destroys way more tissue than a pointy stick. Most animals can continue attacking after an impressive amount of blood loss, but will stop and writhe on the ground if they lose a limb. Considering your goal is to survive a bear attack rather than guarantee a reduction in the size of the bear army before they reach agincourt, you should probably try to disable a limb.

            Thrustgayry is for renaissance combat.
            >i stabbed you, give up now because you're going to die anyways and continuing this duel would make you a dishonorable murderer

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Considering your goal is to survive a bear attack
              The goal is to win the fight, not survive an attack. Those are different considerations.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >destroys way more tissue than a pointy stick
              nogunz
              There are advantages to slashing. If your opponent is wearing a breastplate or wielding a shield it's easier to slash the neck, arms/legs than to stab them. Not an issue against a bear.
              There's a reason why the greatest melee weapon in all of human history was a thrusting sword.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because the soldiers hid behind shields and then their opponents died within days. = won war. A 3" deep stab wound is eventually fatal to a human without modern medicine while we can live a full life and fight in the meantime with missing limbs. Amputation is way more survivable in primitive conditions than any torso puncture. You can also withdraw a sword from such a shallow wound easily. A bear, on the other hand, needs a lot more penetration, and is more durable.

                If you ran a bear through one lung, or even hit the heart, your sword would be stuck, ripped from your hands, and the bear would spend the next 2-5 minutes mauling you before finally collapsing. If you chopped halfway through just one of its legs it would stagger around and then you would be able to kill it more safely.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know nothing
                I am aware. Bears don't act like that. If you get stabbed in the lung you're dropping to the ground like a sack of shit and choking on your own blood until you lose consciousness. It's the same for bears and we know this because that's exactly what happens when you put an arrow through their lungs.

                >the greatest melee weapon in all of human history was a thrusting sword
                I'm pretty sure the spear was the goat weapon.

                ?t=161

                The gladius and scutum defeated the spear. It's easy to understand why if you really think about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gladius and scutum were always paired with a pole weapon, usually javelins to neutralize the other person's scutum.
                Spear/sword/shield > sword/shield
                Just ask the hoplites.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's just not true. Many times Romans fought without using the pilum as they had ran out and they did just fine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >as they had ran out
                So they recognized the advantage, but didn't have the resource.
                >they did just fine
                They would do better with the extra reach.
                Because spears are better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They would do better with the extra reach.
                Which is pretty much nullified by the use of large shields and armor. Their opponents used spears and they found out how that ends. Romans used spears for skirmishing but the sword and shield was the real workhorse.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They would do better with the extra reach.
                >Because spears are better.
                Your reach is nullified by large shields and then you're left fighting up close with someone who has a much shorter and deadlier weapon.
                Javelins are great for skirmishing and spears are your only choice against horses but for melee the sword and shield is the real workhorse.

                >Which is pretty much nullified by the use of large shields and armor
                Exact opposite. The reach weapons were used to disable the shields.
                >Romans used spears for skirmishing but the sword and shield was the real workhorse.
                Spears first, and if you were without, you were at a disadvantage.
                Because spears are better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unsurprisingly the sword and shield dominates both the spear and spear+shield.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Two handed spear winned over sword and shield, though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *won
                Fuck me

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They would do better with the extra reach.
                >Because spears are better.
                Your reach is nullified by large shields and then you're left fighting up close with someone who has a much shorter and deadlier weapon.
                Javelins are great for skirmishing and spears are your only choice against horses but for melee the sword and shield is the real workhorse.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >3 inch stab wound = lethal
                >amputation = non lethal
                What. A cut that can amputate your arm is a lot deeper than a 3 inch stab.
                I think you're confusing limb damage with organ damage. If you puncture an organ that's immediately fatal especially if it's lungs/heart.
                A pierced lung is immediately incapacitating. You're not doing any fighting if you're drowning and fighting with all your strength just to take a single breath.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the greatest melee weapon in all of human history was a thrusting sword
                I'm pretty sure the spear was the goat weapon.

                ?t=161

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the nice thing about the spear is you can stick it in and then use all that extra distance you have to run the fuck away, and if it breaks you just have a slightly shorter spear. they also tend to penetrate deeper than swords and be harder to remove.

                spears are OP. swordfags using their swords are retarded spears will always lose against a real man's weapon.
                >behold, grug make pointy stick but smaller!
                >grog ask why.
                >grug too lazy to carry real pointy stick.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >after you drive a sword through one of it's lungs
            Even a very strong person is going to have a lot of trouble stabbing into a bear's hide deep enough to do that sort of damage.
            Swinging a sword increases the amount of force you can apply.
            I agree keeping the sword as a barrier and primarily stabbing to keep the bear away from you would be safer, but it won't kill the bear.
            Unless you can manage to get the bear to rear up and then fall on the sword without getting crushed under the bear at the same time.
            Claymores are long but they aren't spear length.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Even a very strong person is going to have a lot of trouble stabbing into a bear's hide deep enough to do that sort of damage.
              Pardon? Bears are as soft as you are. They don't have any innate piercing resistance.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bears are as soft as you are.
                >Penetration is extremely important. As mentioned earlier, all of the thick fur, skin, muscle, and fat make it hard for a bullet or arrow to make it through the bear, which is why you want to wait for a shot that will have both an entry and an exit point. This will put two holes in the bear and will lead to more blood escaping the body, which in turn weakens the bear and gives a hunter a better chance of success.
                Go look at any bear hunting guide or page and see how they talk about the need for good penetration.
                It is laughable to equate human skin with bear skin.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Woah you have to sharpen your spear for it to be usable holy shit you're so smart!!!

                >But just shooting the bear may not be enough to stop the attack. Bears are tough with heavy muscle and hide and very strong, thick bones. So, the first challenge is for the bullet to penetrate deeply enough to get to vital organs which, when damaged sufficiently, will cause the animal to stop the attack immediately. However, even if the heart or lungs are destroyed, the bear may still have enough oxygen and blood in its system to carry out the attack and kill the victim. Sure, the bear may die, but not before the victim is dead.
                People think they're going to poke a bear and it'll pop like a balloon and turn into coins.

                There's enough bear hunting videos on youtube for you to watch. Someone even posted a video of a guy popping a bear like a balloon in this very thread.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a bear is not doing shit after you drive a sword through one of it's lungs and several other organs.
            You severely underestumate adrenaline and momentum.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You've never seen a real spear injury.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you have never used either weapon. swords penetrate LESS than purpose made spears. even purpose made thrust-only swords like later epee/smallswords, which are like shitty triangular cross section spear points/bayonets. a spears tip, purpose made for thrusting and making no compromises for lighter weight, flexibility to avoid breakage, or a cutting edge, will run a bear through with much less physical effort.

                on average swords are made to be too damn flexible so the blade is less likely to snap. a sturdy wood shaft with a very rigidand sharp foot-long metal tip does not have this problem. a sword is a weapon of last resort, when a spear's presence or feasability has been eliminated. so many of them are cut and thrust, with a slight bias to the cut (at the cost of duel-ready thrusting ability - a curved sabre still has excellent thrusting ability and good reach, just less than a rapier) because cutting is better for engaging someone who has already gotten too close and getting them to disengage, or multiple targets. thrust only swords were for ritual duels, not battlefields.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bullshit.

                https://i.imgur.com/mrlXGZJ.jpg

                I don’t think you guys realize how fucking big and strong a grizzly is. They can run at like 40 mph for short distances. When basically half a small car is coming at you at 40 mph you’re fucked no matter what.

                (6ish year old where I work made pic related)

                Does being stupid hurt or is it something that you don't really notice?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's a reason the knife is on display, dummy. Most of the other people who tried to fight the bear died. Incidents become famous when they're unusual.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there's a reason the most enduring military sword was a cutting sword.
          because horsemen used it and they're associated with the upper classers, so militaries kept giving officers sabres to show they had clout?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this fucking retard thinks he'll just start SWINGING a fucking CLAYMORE back and forth and in circles like his little gay anime video games

          guess how i know for a fact that you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. just GUESS, fat boy.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The strongest man. Easily and it wouldn't even be close.
    What the fuck is a grizzly gonna do if he just drives the sword through it's chest? You're not doing shit with a sword stuck in your chest.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Physical strength is less important with skill. Does he walk in and try to hit the bear in the belly with the flat of the blade, or does he use reach and positioning to slash and stab it from a safe distance? I bet your average soibody would have a good chance against a grizzly with a claymore if they were trained in its use.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my dad, because he's stronger than both of them

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