I'm so fucking sick of the relentless propaganda and vets pressuring me to mutilate my cat. No thanks, my boy is perfectly fine with all the body parts that God created him with including his majestic chad testicles.
> bu-but you're contributing to the feral cat population
Literally how? My cat stays inside all the time and he's not breeding.
> bu-but he can get testicular cancer
He can also get brain cancer, does that mean we should chop off his head?
Hope you're not falling for this shit frens. They're just gaslighting people into mutilating their perfectly fine cats and dogs and even using words like "fix" when in fact you're not fixing anything, just engaging in animal cruelty for profit. For them, it's all just a money grab from the operation and the long-term health issues that it creates.
My mother has a female Sphynx who is in heat all the time. She used to get pregnant all the time with the old owner but my mother doesn't want more kitties.
The thing is that she is fucking crazy. She will come to you and position herself so you can mount her. She even scratch her vagina with your clothes if you are not aware of it. my mother wants to neuter her but she seems to be lazy about it. Will she stop trying to masturbate with my shoes when she gets neutered?
>best cat I've I've met, very friendly and sweet
>he was adopted from the shelter and returned
>reason: gender confusion
He had a urinary blockage at some point and had chud surgery. Weird that someone adopted him and returned him thinking he was a female... Great cat who had never had an accident indoors. Never even a hairball.
If my dick doesn't work then mr kitty's doesn't get to either
My oldest was neutered before I came into the picture.
Then I got my girl and I was against fixing her for a long time because I thought it was wrong to subject her to invasive surgery just so I didn't have to hear her yowl every month or so.
Then I got my younger boy and since at the time my girl wasn't fixed I took him in to neuter him as I definitely don't need a litter of cats in here...
Unfortunately the arrival of my unfixed male, even tho I kept the boy and girl separated until he was fixed, caused my girl to go into a particularly heavy heat which then caused her to get a pyometra which would have taken her life if I did not get her a hysterectomy.
Still not gonna declaw any of my babies. The oldest got the raw end of the deal on that one.
>does that mean we should chop off his head?
Our cats are male and female siblings so we had them spayed and neutered. I steel feel bad about it. I am glad that you can manage an intact cat.
this moron just wanted to post cat balls didn't he
and i am looking respectfully at them
nice fluffy kitty balls
I got my cat de-balled when he was young and I've really come to like him over the last decade. It's kind of a shame he can't make more cats.
So according to this thread when my mastiff is constantly horny and whining I should just tell my wife to suck his cock because it's the humane thing to do?
Of course not. Don't waste his doggy semen on a woman. You should suck his cock to recycle the protein and testosterone for more gainz.
>Spaying/neutering needs to be done at the right time to allow them to fully mature.
>Dog shelters are packed with animals because of idiots like OP
>Many diseases are prevented via spaying/neutering and others are proliferated by the act, which is why its crucial to do it at the right time in an animals maturity
Are we done?
It's net harmful regardless of when you do it.
This should be obvious. You're removing a major organ.
it's not that simple. I'm not taking the time to explain this to you.
You're not doing so because you can't.
I would rather just adopt a female cat and spay her than chop a male cat's balls off. I'm not raising a chudcat.
what if i just like looking at cat balls
I think it's better if we neuter cat owners in addition to their pets
The stupidity of a typical cattard spilled all over the board lmao
I have a hard time deciding on the matter, seems like there's no real good argument for that because if you take it far enough you might as well justify declawing, which is clearly abuse. At the same time me and many others will have hard time taking inside cat with that kind of spraying,and at this point you just give up and not adopt a cat, and then one can discuss if this would be better for the cat or not.
Also there's a point that if you keep your cat inside forever, he will effectively be an incel no matter what he does, and one could argue not having sexual urges will be better for the cat if you keep him like that.
i actually agree that people mostly shouldn't keep pets. they are lonely and isolated from other humans because of culture / lifestyle, so they take in animals, mutilate, effectively torture them for the entire lifespan of the animal. some animals do make good pets and you don't have to do any of that horrible shit to them, but people don't think twice about keeping inbred, penned-in, suffering, disfigured animals if they get to have a heckin furbaby
Some people are meant to live like that and this society hates them. Because this society is a hive, and hives want to destroy anything that isn’t a worker bee.
Humans prefer to use drugs and psychological warfare of course, but the longer it goes on the more people will lash out. Why wouldn’t they after a lifetime of being told they were born sick and are broken/disgusting and can only be happy by being like people are “meant” to be?
What are some good pets people can keep?
Happy to read this
Unneutered cats are a financial menace for vets, pharma, pet food
Also extravagantly funny that technofascist NPCs try to frame cats for the crimes of the agrochemical cartel
>fixing a cat
As if it's broken
>As if it's broken
For most people outside of the cats native range, not working within the cats original purpose, it seems to be.
Cats were never, ever, ever once intended to be a pet or a household companion. Ever. Cats do not just live outside, they have a small established territory outside, inside and around a grain store. Their scent in this territory discourages mice from entering and causes existing mice to flee for a while, which gives you more chances to maintain the area to further prevent mouse infestations. If your house is the grain store then the cat must be around the house, never in the house. Because cats spread fleas, ticks, plague, rabies, toxo, giardia, etc by merit of being an outdoor animal. Outdoor animals accumulate disease.
If you go against this, this 9,800 history of cats being domesticated to be outdoor livestock, the cat will seem broken. They are not a highly social companion, it is like keeping a sheep in your bedroom, it doesn't belong there, it belongs in the pasture with other sheep. It's not smart enough to be trained, it's not clean enough to be inside, it shits and pisses in your home, it's gotta go.
If you want your cat to be a small, extremely stupid dog that mostly conserves energy it's not going to work out without "modifications" which means animal cruelty and excessive levels of effort. Cat keepers resemble people with exotic pets like parrots and foxes. Dirty homes, cruel bodily alterations.
If you want an indoor pet that accompanies you outdoors rather than roaming, you get a dog. The dog co-evolved with you over the course of 40,000 years to live alongside you. It shits and pisses outdoors and is as clean and manageable as you are. If you can't get a dog to be civilized... do us a favor and don't get any animals that live outside a cage.
people don't even realize that dogs should live close to their original purpose why would they do it for cats
>hmmm, this labrador retriever was bred to swim around in swamps and retrieve ducks like it just snorted crack. oh damn why is it stinky and oily and why does it put its mouth on everything ew.
>hmmm, this husky was bred to live with its people and sleep in an igloo with them for warmth. i'll lock it outside. dogs belong outdoors. why is it screaming aimlessly? oh damn it escaped wtf shitty dogs bro
>hmmm, this mastiff was bred to live outside all the time and attack strangers. i'll keep it indoors because he's such a heckin good slave! why is he barking at everything through the window? oh damn why did he attack the first person to walk through my door wtf shitty dogs bro
Cats are at least partially domesticated you're being dramatic
Neutering animals is Haram.
Allah said so.
Keep your cat in the garden.
>People would rather talk about how spraying your cat is immoral than why routinely genitally mutilating little boys should stop
I love animals, but God, most of you retards need to be lobotomized so I don't have to deal with you, anymore.
That's a point, not related to animals and nature though. It's a place to discuss animals and nature stuff. It's valuable to zoom in and discuss topics in a specific category.
Go to a politics involving borad, like 4chan, /news/, /vip/, /b/... damn, options are not great, there should probably be a politics board. Anyway, hope that was useful:)
(I wrote the coment I'm replying to)
I misspoke here, 4chan is a politics board but It's a pretty toxic place, I don't think we should infect the entirety of Wauf with toxic politics
Well done. Here are the test results: You are a massive gay. I’m serious, that’s what it says: “A massive gay.” We weren’t even testing for that.
This thread was hard to read
I've heard specifically neutering male dogs and cats leads to joint problems later in life
I also think it's wrong in the same way circumcision is
But I'm not going to fucking masturbate my pet or whatever you are suggesting
I will put up with a little bit of bullshit but if it's as bad as some of you make it sound I'm just going to take his nuts off, sorry, not into my pet being sexual
>willing to give a pet a belly rub
>not willing to give them a handie
>neutering is cruel
that cat hates you, retard, he will leave the first chance he gets
okay nice very cool
but remind me again how cats aren't literally asking for it
ITT: lazy owners
it's a fucking wet spot, just man up and clean it up, takes like 20 seconds and spray some febreeze if it smells too bad, cunts.
enjoy the piss
i dont understand the spaying of pets, strays sure because no one is there to control who they fuck but for pets, there is the onwer who controls that, i wont let my dog fuck any bitches unless there is a reason to like wanting puppies, why did i have to get him spayed? i miss his balls just as much as he misses them 🙁
Because lost pets exist. Maybe a hurricane or earthquake destroyed the house or the pet escaped any other way and then you get strays and strays generate more strays and then the government need to spend taxes on capturing the strays and deal with the people trying to stop killing the strays, etc. That said I think they could remove the cat entire womb but leave the ovaries in females or vasectomize the males but them the owner would need to provide a way for the pets to spend their sex drive when they are in heat. I’m all up for having a couple if they can. If they are stray cats I would vaccinate them on top of that and release them in some public square while keeping them fed. This way not only they will be scaring away the pigeons but also they will be fucking other cats that escaped sterilization reducing the chances of those cats reproducing. In the long term I imagine this could reduce the stray problem similarly to how people are releasing sterile male mosquitos to reduce the mosquito population in some places while edgy people shooting random cats does nothing for the population unless you live in a tiny island.
>similarly to how people are releasing sterile male mosquitos
Holy shit, those aren't the same thing at all, the mosquitoes are modified to give birth to defective offspring, that means the unmodified females waste precious time/resources on reproduction and then all the offspring die anyway. Cats can literally fuck dozens of other cats a day and all it takes is 2 fertile cats to make 100 neutered strays worthless, because they'll just die off in a year or 2 and be replaced by the newly fertile ones.
In australia tnr isn't even allowed, because it literally doesn't work. Trapping and killing was the only thing that did.
You don't send a sterile mouse into your home to remove mice from your walls.
Tnr was always feel good bulshit.
Not to interrupt the weird discussion but
>all it takes is 2 fertile cats to make 100 neutered strays worthless
Guess how many intact couples of mosquitos it takes to make 100 modified ones useless.
This is what they do in my country
>The Sterile Insect Technique (SIT) is a form of insect birth control. The process involves rearing large quantities of sterilized male mosquitoes in dedicated facilities, and then releasing them to mate with females in the wild. As they do not produce any offspring, the insect population declines over time.
Nothing about producing defective offspring, they just flood the area with sterile males, they mate with females who do not reproduce because they mated with sterile males. Sure sometimes a fertile male will mate with a female but its chances are greatly decreased because there is so much competition. And this seems to be working in the places they did this.
Now with cats you get both male and female sterile cats that still mate so the sterile males will be competing with the fertile males and the sterile females will be attracting fertile and sterile males. This means that fertile cats will be fighting over a sterile females and sterile males will be competing over fertile females as well. Marking like making a small cut on the ear can make it easy to identify sterilized from intact cats and the agents can focus on the intact cats. Trapping and killing only works if you can do this em masse over the entire city because otherwise they will just boom back from the areas you failed to exterminate them entirely.
This is different from tnr, tnr means that the neutered male cats no longer compete for fertile females and neutered females no longer attract fertile males.
Cats are vermin and should be killed honestly
Having a bunch of homeless animals is cruelty
Thats why guns were invented
cat ballz lole
I had my boy doge intact for the first year of his life but I got tired of the dirty looks and judgment from literally everyone from neighbors, dog park people, vets, groomers, everyone who deals with dogs for a living. So I got him fixed. Nothing about my dog has changed lol.
So you altered your dog over peer pressure, wth?!?
Most things most people do is the result of peer pressure.
It's called being a repressed dogfucker. Only someone who's repressed will project their own feeling onto others like that, and think that they're judged cause their dogs has balls.
If they wouldn't be a repressed zoo, they wouldn't think "oh no my neighbour judged me cause my dog got his garden gnomeels".
It's the same like with the gays who don't want to admit that they're a gay, and even complimenting them makes them rage cause their only thought is "are you hitting on me?!"
>Sorry I had to cut off a piece of you otherwise I'd be the wierd one
my cats are outdoors so good thing I did
>Not just fucking your horny cat yourself and bonding cliser with her
Why do they never draw realistic cats?
You know how cartoon huskies and wolves are basically sexy women but dog shaped, while real huskies look retarded and real wolves look mean, ugly, and masculine?
Cats aren't immune to that.
There are some animals that are truly aesthetic, like border collies and cheetahs, but the usual furfag targets only look good in cartoons.
god I wish, but I could barely fit a pinky in there.
Based kitten obliterator
it's not even that uncommon in rural areas. i'm pretty sure everyone around here has done it at least once in their lifetime, either with kittens or puppies.
Yall need help
>suck the cats titties myself to prevent galactosis
i tried that both with a cat and a dog... for some reason the dog's milk made my tongue burn and i was worried i'll have an anaphylactic shock
>own a male cat
>don't neuter him
>let him come and go as he pleases
>he impregnates hundreds of girl cats around the neighborhood
There is a concerning amount of people who want to finger a cat here.
>Says this in a board full dogs/deer/birds fuckers
it's not really sex if it doesn't turn you on. Probably more appropriate size to use a q-tip, however.
you're still sexually pleasuring another animal which is gross and makes you look like a freak. Would you like to be a nurse who has to fondle old men in the hospital?
>Would you like to be a nurse who has to fondle old men in the hospital?
No, I'm not some kind of gay. If I had to make old women come for whatever reason, that'd be fine however.
>cat people love the smell of piss:
As long as you are willing to keep him in your space in case he does start daily marking that's fine. With females it's more about health.
Both should be sterilized though in case they get outside, noone needs more strays.
i'm don't neuter cats
i'm just kill kittens
>my cat stays inside all the time
One could argue that forcing a cat to stay inside all the time and stripping them off their freedom is animal cruelty aswell 😉
Take your cat out for a walk every day then, if you're so concerned.
>b...but that takes actual effort and responsibility!
Yeah, you're a shit pet owner.
One day I'm getting a bitch and I am not going to spay her. If she ever gets pregnant I will give the puppies away to nice people so they don't adopt a piece of shit pitbull from a shelter.
>I love animals and harming them is bad in and of itself unless we're gonna eat them because we have to. Also MGMing them is completely okay because they don't have feelings or something
I've never had an intact male cat inside that didn't end up spraying everywhere. I had a female intact cat that got so crazy during her heat cycle that she jumped off a second-story balcony. We saw her do this so we were able to get her immediately. She then clawed through a second-story window's screen, jumped out, found a tomcat within thirty minutes, and got pregnant. If I ever get another cat, it's getting fixed asap. No spraying, yowling, or jumping out of windows and running off for me. Why let an animal that will never be able to breed suffer the frustration of never being able to breed? Fixing them takes that frustration away.
I don’t own cats, does this really work?
Would just giving a cat some stimulation or mini dildo be enough to keep it in check? Because that sounds like a pretty simple solution, better than the cat going crazy and jumping out of the window.
Yeah. The standard thing is to use q-tips for this purpose, I believe.
Then that is the big deal? Why put up with all that shit when you can just solve it in minutes?
Pretty sure this is a US thing. I live in Europe, most people don’t castrate their dog or cat unless it is for medical reasons. It’s never been a big deal until Americans started introducing their crazy ideas everywhere. It’s the same with transexuals, furries etc. I have never heard of such things until a few years ago.
i grew up with 10+ cats/dogs, all were fixed, and all lived happy healthy lives. i seriously don't understand rightoid's (it's always a rightoid) obsession with anthropomorphizing their pet's desires to keep their nuts. they are lower order animals, they don't feel emasculated because they don't have their balls. if you seriously think this, you might be of a lower order yourself.
furries per capita in scandinavia/germany absolutely mogs that of the US.
Castrating dogs is legit bad for their health. It's illegal in parts of europe for a reason.
Where the fuck is it illegal?
It's not commonplace yes, but illegal?
Scandinavia, exceptions for spaying or castrating are granted only when deemed medically necessary.
It's also similarly illegal in Germany, but the ban is not really enforced so you can still find vets that will do it.
I doubt you think this should be the case in places where they are native right?
Norway, unless done because your dog has testicle cancer or some other health issues caused by their balls.
What's wrong with that? Have you ever q-tipped a cat? They're hornier than fucking whores.
That's what I tell the authorities when they catch me fingering my dogs. "I wasn't turned on so it's all fiiiine".
in some states that's literally the law
you can do whatever as long as you don't like it
Here in Finland, we spay a lot of mutts and cats. Shelters are very active in here and captures any roaming pets. If you want your captured pet back, it will cost (sometimes a lot). Technically, it's legal to shoot stray cats in your own land. If your pet keeps all the time roaming freely, you can technically get a fine for abandoning a pet according to the law. It's a little bit of gray area. So there are many reasons why to reduce the risk of the pet running away is highly encouraged. Government got so tired of "non-spayed accident puppies/kitten" and dog mills, in this year, the law was passed, we're obliged to register every present and future dog in the state books (chip, dogs and owner/seller information ect..). Now it's illegal to sell non-registered dog, even mutts. It was supposed also applies to cats, but they knew they don't have funding for that. Maybe after testing out how the dog part goes, they will get more funding.
That's only Norway by far I know? That law is more not to crop animals ears and tails, but for some reason law did not specify (yet) which parts. You can still freely neuter cats in Norway? For dog, just hop Sweden side to do operation or get 1 year castration chip/chemically castrated/contraceptive pills. Chop chop is no no, but chemical is legal go go.
>Asian country hates freedom "for the greater good"
can you not call dogs mutts? pretty offensive
Under european dog laws, purebred mutants and actual dogs (aka mutts) are legally different. Only the inbreds are allowed to breed.
This is because cats are native to places around the Mediterranean giving them access to Europe. In the US they're invasive and destroy ecosystems. Nothing to say about the rest, seems part of the US's cultural inventions.
Dogs are native to and evolved in north america bro
Free range huskies when?
So what, nothing wrong with having dogs breed aye?
And we don't even let dogs out without a leash, no comparison.
You could try keeping a pair.
Do vets actually do vasectomies on cats?
they do, it's much more expensive than castration tho (~$1k)
>Would just giving a cat some stimulation or mini dildo be enough to keep it in check?
Yes acupressure on the soft tissue near the tail
>Why let an animal that will never be able to breed suffer the frustration of never being able to breed? Fixing them takes that frustration away.
That would make for a nice /LULZ/ banner tbh
It’s not frustrating. It’s invigorating. Sexual energy retention fuels your drive.
Also you have hands don’t you
Spay/neuter is bad for the individual but good for the general population.
how do i neuter my platies?
imagine taking your cat to the expensive emergency vet because he got into a fight with another tomcat fighting for mating rights
Imagine just keeping your cat inside your house where there are no other tomcats to fight.
imagine being under house arrest
...FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE
with a working dick and balls that will never find satisfaction
you've got a hand, don't you
the cat doesnt
he has a tongue that can reach
Your freedom or your balls, pick 1.
i'll take freedom but if you're going to cut off my balls then sew on some tits so i can still get laid
But flat is justice! The man face that needs to change, not the tits
males are more affectionate when desexed
>Hope you're not falling for this shit frens.
That's right, I'm not. By not owning pets. Who am I to take away the bodily autonomy of a being I can't even understand?
I want to agree but there's a cat problem in neighborhood and who knows what they've done to the local wildlife.
Fuck the local wildlife, they're disease vectors and pests. Kitties are loving and sweet cuddlebabies that murder shit that doesn't belong in human territory anyway. Spay and neuter humans, first, if you want to curtail explosive population growth of an ecosystem-destroying species, or shut your lying whore mouth, you degenerate fucking hypocrites.
heh, another mentally ill outdoor cat ownee
>Spay and neuter humans, first, if you want to curtail explosive population growth of an ecosystem-destroying species
Start with yourself, gay.
Fuck you. Because non neutered dogs, they literally fucked up local wolf bloodlines. There are now more wolfdogs mix roaming in our forest than wolves. Those mix also are less afraid of humans. The only plus they have is favoring eating free-roaming and no supervised pets.
I'll just keep trapping ferals and dropping them in the pool
>in the pool
I hope you don't use it for anything else, or atleast clean it with rubbing alcohol and bleach after. Ferals are literally covered in shit and parasites.
I once got banned from the cats subreddit for trying to start a conversation on this. I don’t have a strong opinion, but the knee jerk reactions are hilarious.
Pharma/agrochem shills are 100% on this subject too
You just wanna pinky finger your horny cat.
He's right. When you "fix" your pet your actually getting them broken. Veterinary medicine isn't about helping animals. It's about facilitating their extinction.
>facilitating the extinction of dogs and cats
Worse. Good dogs and cats. Only shitty neurotic purebreds you can’t trust.
No it's no
>entire family is constantly insisting that if I don't cut my cat's balls immediately off he's going to spray everywhere and will never stop
>it's been years and the most he's done is piss on the counter a single time for some reason
Yeah he sometimes sprays on the wall, happens at most a few times per year and it takes 20 seconds to clean up with a wet wipe.
Did you also declaw your cat because he scratches your couch? Or removed his vocal chords because he's meowing for food in the morning and waking you up? Psychopaths should not own pets.
No see if you don't mutilate your cat his pee will STINK. You don't want that, do you, anon?
listen here motherfucker, I will not have animals pissing or shitting in my house,
I would've agreed with not spaying/neutering untill I got myself a god damn cat, and she is the most obnoxious fucking cunt on earth when she's in heat, I put up with it for atleast 3 monthes before I finally gave up and had her fixed, she fuckin tore my jacket off the wall and pissed into it she was actually out of her fucking mind during her heat spells, it was either this or fucking kicking the bitch to the damn curb.
knowing that a male would simply just start pissing everywhere I simply would not get a male cat at all.
your house smells like piss
>20 seconds to clean up with a wet wipe.
How about the 500 times you don't see it happen stupid fuck. People avoid your stinky ass house dipshit. Yes my cat is declawed because I'm not a stupid fuck like you.
Dang, imagine an alien cutting off the tops off your fingers.
Declawing is evil. If I had you at my pleasure I would take time in killing you.
you wouldn't do jack shit
>If I had you at my pleasure
sounds really gay, lol
When did they start letting moron on this board?
When you started posring
Wtf this board is full of trash. If you can't even get a 10 lb animal to obey you without mutilating it, you should an hero tbh