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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous
  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Money is just a representation of work done for society, living wild would require tons of work to survive.
    To be alive is to constantly have to work in one way or another.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      And that's why there's 5000+ humans for every monkey of any species in the world now. Probably 0 posters here would have existed without the advent of currency

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bumb

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Animals, let's be frank, are dumb. Why won't people just come out into the open and admit it? Animals are stupid: they don't use money, they don't have thumbs, they have no people skills, they're lazy. I mean, we all have to work, nobody likes it, life is hardship: I've never done a thing I wanted to do my entire life!

    Comeuppance for the animals, my friends, they've gotten a free ride far too long...

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gets poached

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do apes not pay for their existence?
    The sheer amount of forest that was taken from them could never be given back.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    and the only one that needs to clean itself up after taking a dump

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    We are also the only creature that doesn't have to fight daily for survival.
    I'll gladly pay for shelter as opposed to making it myself

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >We are also the only creature that doesn't have to fight daily for survival.
      That's because you are lucky enough to not live around black people

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >thread isn't about black people
        >brings up black people out of nowhere
        obsessed

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I take it you're one of the lucky ones?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying living near white people is any better
            Whitoids are the most inconsiderate frickers in the world. I envy you.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >implying living near white people is any better
          Whitoids are the most inconsiderate frickers in the world. I envy you.

          Black person

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not everyone is as poor as you

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Animals have to pay as well in their own way. Fighting to protect their territory and eventually dying or being run off when they aren't strong enough. Having to find food every single day. Hunting can be dangerous for the hunter. Prey animals have to always be careful. They don't live peaceful lives where everything is handed to them. They have to put the work in.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Humans do all of that too but with an additional paywall.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        When was the last time you had to kill another animal to survive, for food or self defense, or fight another male of your species to the death for territory?
        I'm guessing not today or yesterday

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Humans still do those things though. Someone killed the chicken to keep you fed and someone killed someone else to keep their family safe.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    money is a representation of labor performed and all living things must labor to survive

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      The children of multimillionaire+ parents with trust funds do not

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >offspring can’t benefit from their parents aggregated work!
        Communists have the rights they grant others
        None.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Trust fund kiddies are some of the biggest and whiniest voices for libtard and commie values
          Raising inheritance taxes to 100% would unironically reduce the majority of commie and libtard sentiment in the US when these morons have to actually work for a living

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >inheritance tax

            inhertiances have already been taxed when the money was first earned

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Doing exactly what Marx said must happen to facilitate the death of the old social order would eliminate Marxist sentiment in the US

            Are you a real person?

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Marx himself was a trust fund baby and later a professional mooch, like most such people if he ever actually got what he thought he wanted it would destroy him.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Marx was absolutely impoverished. His wife was the heiress, and multiple times had to beg her mother for money. Engels gave him money, too. But every single time, he blew it all on booze and revelry. He had 7 children, 4 died of starvation and exposure before the age of 14.

                You make it sound like he lived in a fricking manse. Far from it. He and his wife and children were dirt poor.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          moron alert! moron alert! this guy is spreading a lil' bit of misinformashon on a mongolian basket weaving forum!!

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I cannot imagine how shallow and unintelligent the person who made this image is

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know what's kind of strange. Federal prisoners, in theory, have more freedom of physical expression than 'free' citizens.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Huh, interesting but could you elaborate if you can?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sure.

        Let's take an ordinary free citizen, average joe. The average man has become morally and consequently physically obliged to take part in laboring activates. Working in an office or working in a warehouse on the back of a truck. He is mentally forced into this routine of working just to 'hunt for his next meal' which is just earning money to buy groceries. We've been able to replicate the hunter-gatherer process but replaced it with currency and trade. Instead of trading strength and stone for fresh meat or tubers, we traded our freedom and innate interest towards domination and out-right danger for complicity and security. Not through our own right, we have been forced into it through extortion by the federal government. Forced to take part in kicking up taxes and not stepping on the toes of the enforcement and the makers of the enforcement. Living off of the bare essentials a human body can, forced into a mediocre reality out of fear of the other side. The other side is incarceration (Or in some cases, 'Hell.' But this is not a conversation about the photonics of religion.)

        The other side we have federal prisoners, killers and convicted mad men, masterminds of things that we actually witness everyday. Extortion, usury, theft, murder, kidnapping. In everyday life for a convict, these are normal things.

        People like to make this idea that all criminals are low IQ, sociopathic fools that couldn't help themselves. And for the most part, that's true. But, that's really county level chicanery, state prison and low-level security for the fidgety who wanted to get it on.

        If you took real convicts and looked into them from a non-bias view, with no moral compunction. They actually have the high ground, they realized their situations and the worse that the situation can bring so they don't shy away from it.

        Cont.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          They don't care, they deal with all of the horrors we shy away from. Extortion, killing, theft, usury. They are modern day barbarians. They are figures frozen in time, they don't belong in our society in idea. However, we are controlled by the worse of them.

          They are masterminds in their own right. While we toil in lines at the DMV or scramble to work, they train themselves to get better at what they naturally do best. Domination and plundering, they are the most 'natural' men by far.

          Like I said, masterminds in their own right, they find ways to destroy others and benefit for themselves. No different from a Neanderthal or brave Frisian barbarian. They live in the moment, not worried about the future. We all do, human beings are not designed to plan far into the future because plans don't work. We are meant to take things with each motion, to work with the outcomes and either advance or recede from them.

          I feel like I'm rambling so I'll make it concise. Criminals, especially knowledgeable ones, are able to express themselves in a more primitive and 'natural' way by showcasing violence and dangerous behaviors. Convicts, are, metaphorically speaking, imprisoned prehistoric men. They know the situation and continue to do what they want knowing that they have reached a zenith in their fate. No longer at the mercy of an other force other than death itself. The highest powers of our countries are the same, they enact acts of violence and extort us into our own 'safety' to generate more for them.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure.

            Let's take an ordinary free citizen, average joe. The average man has become morally and consequently physically obliged to take part in laboring activates. Working in an office or working in a warehouse on the back of a truck. He is mentally forced into this routine of working just to 'hunt for his next meal' which is just earning money to buy groceries. We've been able to replicate the hunter-gatherer process but replaced it with currency and trade. Instead of trading strength and stone for fresh meat or tubers, we traded our freedom and innate interest towards domination and out-right danger for complicity and security. Not through our own right, we have been forced into it through extortion by the federal government. Forced to take part in kicking up taxes and not stepping on the toes of the enforcement and the makers of the enforcement. Living off of the bare essentials a human body can, forced into a mediocre reality out of fear of the other side. The other side is incarceration (Or in some cases, 'Hell.' But this is not a conversation about the photonics of religion.)

            The other side we have federal prisoners, killers and convicted mad men, masterminds of things that we actually witness everyday. Extortion, usury, theft, murder, kidnapping. In everyday life for a convict, these are normal things.

            People like to make this idea that all criminals are low IQ, sociopathic fools that couldn't help themselves. And for the most part, that's true. But, that's really county level chicanery, state prison and low-level security for the fidgety who wanted to get it on.

            If you took real convicts and looked into them from a non-bias view, with no moral compunction. They actually have the high ground, they realized their situations and the worse that the situation can bring so they don't shy away from it.

            Cont.

            I get it but this is incredibly pessimistic.
            What about the farmer, the butcher, the florist? Gathering was as important to ancient life as Hunting. Are they not just as primal, just as in-touch? The idea that the natural state of humanity is barbaric is, to me, laughable.
            The love of individuals, that's the heart of humanity.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >The love of individuals, that's the heart of humanity.
              It's entirely conditional on success. The concept of love is a mental and emotional, we bond and share with people we have commonality with and see them as being successors in our own lives. If they failed, we would fail in our own lives if we continued to 'love' them. It's why people fire long-time employee from jobs or why you're not adopting random homeless people from the street on the caveat that you 'love' them no matter what.

              Senseless love does not exist innately, it is forced and when it is forced it causes ruination of a species.

              >What about the farmer, the butcher, the florist

              What about them? They are hunters in their own right. A farmer hunts for adequate land to plant his crops, a butcher hunts for big trappers who give out the most meat to sell back, a florist does something similar with flowers I don't know I'm not a florist. They all hunt and they all compete for the biggest and best things that sustain them for the longest time with the least amount of work over that time. That is the ideal way of success.
              >Gathering was as important to ancient life as Hunting
              Scavenging and picking into the ground for roots and tubers was more of a womanly activity, not to say men didn't go around eating whatever seemed and was known to be edible, it just wasn't as emphasized for them. A man does not subjugate himself to only hunting or only gathering as they are just words. A man finds, he conquers and takes for himself and the people around him that are to be his successors and benefit him. They are his utopia builders, they are him. If they are not, they are not with him.

              >The idea that the natural state of humanity is barbaric is, to me, laughable.
              Why? Is it too simple to think about? Life rewards simplicity and straight-forwardness for what the given situation demands as simple and straight-forward.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Noble savage BS only ever spewed by well to do whites and literally no one else

          there is no instinctive desire for danger. Humans have always trended towards eliminating danger and labor. The convicts are genuinely too stupid to.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are literally being controlled by the noble savages every day of your life, you are using the forum as your mouthpiece out of fear of them. To you, this is your most prolific point of controversial action. Using Wauf.

            >Noble savage BS
            What makes it 'BS?'

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/Kql1iHs.jpg

              >literally nothing is stopping you
              Wrong. Go into zones you don't own, youre getting shot. Buy land of your own and try to leave on it, and you'll get property tax forcing you to go back to society to pay it off.
              You can't truly go off-grid in modernity, and believe me some were very motivated on doing it.

              Explaining why you are wrong will doubtlessly prove you an upper class whiner
              >noooo freedom isn’t real because I want to be free in the PNW woods not alaska or mexico

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                What did you do today?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          While I get your first part, fed gov or not It tends to crash down onto their modern man one way or another, or just Man... As for the convict view point, I see what you mean, but can't help but think losing more freedom of movement and self management ultimately makes them less free even if they are past freedom of action as if they aren't up for deathrow they can only be solitary confined so much as permanently, and once It's there what else goes? Thanks for elaborating pal

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            No problem, in some regards I didn't really know what I was saying after a certain point and felt a bit redundant.

            To make it even more concise. Thoughtful, convicted criminals with even an ounce of introspective are anachronisms (we all are to a degree). Regardless if they know exactly who they are, they know why they do the things they do. Because, they are pushed and have seen all reasonable options as unreasonable. They are forced to live in an existence of incredible bureaucracy and they simply can't fit in. Once they reach prison, they have reached one of the worst aspects of life, imprisonment. Prisons are collectives of very like-minded people, they can physically express themselves through their violent nature. They do worse inside and they get put into solitary. At that point, you are alone with yourself, the only person that understands you best. You may not be able to go out and party or take a hike in the woods, but you are with yourself and soon realize that you must become at peace with your own violent nature rather than change it for the supposed 'better'.

            Death row? This is the pinnacle of living freedom, you have graduated every level of vindication and are no longer at the mercy of anything. 'Do what you must, I have already won.' Is a good phrase for this situation, nothing is out of reach. You have no limits, you are what people inherently envy, limitless mental reach. Then, you die, shown as a something to fear and loath than something to observe and learn from.

            That probably wasn't very concise but whatever.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Now I didn't expect for you to view death row as the pinnacle of freedom! Very striking view, in some shape I still see what you mean but barely as It just feels so alien to me, as someone who views death as a scam and the ultimate form of bondage to hear It be referred as the most free someone can be is hard to swallow, in the end It sort of reminds me of some vidya characters' philosophy (A final fantasy boss and a secret boss in an indie game), I can understand well prison is freedom, but to me death will always remain the greatest adversary of the Will of Man. But in the sense you view It where one chooses this path's end, I see It as identical to those who jump off bridges or willingly experience highs that will kill them (overdoses or one time kill drugs for example). As for seclusion, is It really needed to be confined by society Itself? A similar end can be attained with enough efforts if one is to find somewhere desolate or contested enough to reside alone, but It does come at the cost of being cared for the way you are in solitary. While cleaving It's a very interesting discourse. I do somewhat remember thinking of exclusion and limitations as a form of hold that allows the singular self to be expressed from within instead of within society or groups (they excluded your input so your binds come off as you don't express yourself to them anymore, or anyone but you, unfiltered but unevolving from that point unless you actively seek your own disapproval and build on It).

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but to me death will always remain the greatest adversary of the Will of Man

                It is the greatest adversary to all life. We may instinctually be cautious and dislike death, we are not wired to fear it. If we feared it by nature, we simply wouldn't exist as a species. We would be to afraid of hunting or fighting. Fear is a creation by man, it is the cause of overthinking and intensive planning. It has been created through photonics and visualizations, it is nothing more than a stressor that breeds internal weakness. It should not be confused with caution, which is how we determine the intensity of problems.

                >A similar end can be attained with enough efforts if one is to find somewhere desolate or contested enough to reside alone
                Right, either path leads to the same results. One a bit more willing than the other.

                >I do somewhat remember thinking of exclusion and limitations as a form of hold that allows the singular self to be expressed from within instead of within society or groups
                It is. It was not always like this, people used to share commonality and like-mindedness within their tribes and their kins. That's how we established foundations and security with each other, because we are each other. In prison, it's the same thing. It's entirely tribal, they isolate themselves by race and by skill. Not anymore, too many people, too much spread.

                >We are forced to hunt rabbits while they hunt the caribou
                Huh, maybe true, but we are many, and there is many rabbits, while caribous are fewer and fewer and provide a lot, who should have the pleasure to hunt them, how to decide? I can't help but wonder. And slightly unrelated, but wouldn't It also remove greater freedom to be fair here?

                >but we are many, and there is many rabbits, while caribous are fewer and fewer and provide a lot, who should have the pleasure to hunt them, how to decide?

                We are too many and soon the rabbits won't even be enough. The agriculture revolution has been the most destructive thing to the human collective. It has caused overpopulation which has worsened us as a species. We are not quality, we are quantity. We have too many people of different backgrounds and we no longer have like-minded packs, they are dying out. The caribou is being eaten by the tight-bands that remain, those who erected the prisons.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically, I have been afraid of death as soon as I could know of It's existence as a child, so I'll be kind and just forget about It for the sake of your argument, the state of not being is just too abhorrent in my eyes, the infinite creativity of man and it's power to organize, create and share their mind with the real confined by an arbitrary time limit bound to be reached through exhaustion of regenerative abilities, It's simply awful that we are conscious and bound to die of old age when there is non conscious beings that cannot age and only die of brutal deaths and illnesses...

                Spread didn't kill the tribe, It changed It's form, from genetics to symbols, from like mindedness to broad spectrums of culture, all this variety leads to conflict, conflict leads to evolution, change is inevitable and a neutral force, to adapt to It is to know It's pros and cons and to act accordingly when opportunities strike.

                Overpopulation is both a problem and a non problem, if we could advance faster, It wouldn't be one, however ressource consumption and the culture around It that formed around non mathematically logic values and fictiuous gains while supporting of our societal evolution has also been making us burn everything in the name of "growth", (which on Its own has been derailed by conflicts of interests), population growth is needed for the dynamism of the entity fighting for "growth", however, It screws the balance of things, and tensions will rise. Much like predators growing too many, in-group tensions will merc out surplus until an illness or competitor restores balance, a cataclism, a virus or perhaps an animal may be the one thing to bring humanity's mad race to a more moderate approach until It can sustainably begin Its breakneck pace again if ressource depletion doesn't occur first. The speed at which information today is lost and forgotten is incredibly alarming for our futures, we rely on It to not start over with no innate true growth.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically, I have been afraid of death as soon as I could know of It's existence as a child, so I'll be kind and just forget about It for the sake of your argument, the state of not being is just too abhorrent in my eyes, the infinite creativity of man and it's power to organize, create and share their mind with the real confined by an arbitrary time limit bound to be reached through exhaustion of regenerative abilities, It's simply awful that we are conscious and bound to die of old age when there is non conscious beings that cannot age and only die of brutal deaths and illnesses...

                Spread didn't kill the tribe, It changed It's form, from genetics to symbols, from like mindedness to broad spectrums of culture, all this variety leads to conflict, conflict leads to evolution, change is inevitable and a neutral force, to adapt to It is to know It's pros and cons and to act accordingly when opportunities strike.

                Overpopulation is both a problem and a non problem, if we could advance faster, It wouldn't be one, however ressource consumption and the culture around It that formed around non mathematically logic values and fictiuous gains while supporting of our societal evolution has also been making us burn everything in the name of "growth", (which on Its own has been derailed by conflicts of interests), population growth is needed for the dynamism of the entity fighting for "growth", however, It screws the balance of things, and tensions will rise. Much like predators growing too many, in-group tensions will merc out surplus until an illness or competitor restores balance, a cataclism, a virus or perhaps an animal may be the one thing to bring humanity's mad race to a more moderate approach until It can sustainably begin Its breakneck pace again if ressource depletion doesn't occur first. The speed at which information today is lost and forgotten is incredibly alarming for our futures, we rely on It to not start over with no innate true growth.

                As we rely on information, any loss means the struggle to find answers must be repeated and with It time that cannot be brought back is lost. Our universe itself has an expiry date, while large, we are still limited ourselves with a much more humble clocked date, how much can humanity or anything do is decided by seemingly lenient deadlines that once they inch closer will feel like chokeholds, yet on the present it feels like every day is a horrible screw-up waiting to happen, those who built the prisons did the same as what new groups did, they congregated through shared ideas and opportunity seeking. They either rose where they are (but will never fit in) or always were those who took the spear for the caribou (old is a flavor of gold). Some take their caribou for themselves, others share bits, some simply use the energy It gives to lead a goal, wether that's two caribou or an indirect goal is also a possibility. What energy does a rabbit bring? Not enough to hunt a caribou, unless you are to step on other's share, surely you won't get there without being a statistical anomaly.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                Another thing on death and death row. I don't see it as the ultimate bondage, the inescapable. Bondage is entirely physical, you may physically die and be restraint but you can never mentally be disconnected with yourself. You could be lobotomized and put into a straight jacket, fed only cornmeal and water, and blind and deafened. All of this, and you'd still never restrained entirely. You enter different realities, you befriend yourself over and over and make new worlds. Leave your own physical world and enter the metaphysical, the deep caverns of your consciousness and reincarnate yourself. I recommend 'The Star Rover' by Jack London as it touches deeply on what I'm writing about.

                And besides, death is the return to the original state of being. Non-existence, returned to what ever was before. Is it nothing? Is it a glamorous afterlife? Walking the Earth for all of eternity as a soul? Who knows, why worry and be scared of it until you reach the zenith of the moment. And after, take comfort in what ever existence you may be in. You may not be able to mentally form new worlds and brave them in your death, but in that case it probably won't matter so much since nothing is impeding you anymore. If you can feel, you can have thought.

                Ironically, I have been afraid of death as soon as I could know of It's existence as a child, so I'll be kind and just forget about It for the sake of your argument, the state of not being is just too abhorrent in my eyes, the infinite creativity of man and it's power to organize, create and share their mind with the real confined by an arbitrary time limit bound to be reached through exhaustion of regenerative abilities, It's simply awful that we are conscious and bound to die of old age when there is non conscious beings that cannot age and only die of brutal deaths and illnesses...

                Spread didn't kill the tribe, It changed It's form, from genetics to symbols, from like mindedness to broad spectrums of culture, all this variety leads to conflict, conflict leads to evolution, change is inevitable and a neutral force, to adapt to It is to know It's pros and cons and to act accordingly when opportunities strike.

                Overpopulation is both a problem and a non problem, if we could advance faster, It wouldn't be one, however ressource consumption and the culture around It that formed around non mathematically logic values and fictiuous gains while supporting of our societal evolution has also been making us burn everything in the name of "growth", (which on Its own has been derailed by conflicts of interests), population growth is needed for the dynamism of the entity fighting for "growth", however, It screws the balance of things, and tensions will rise. Much like predators growing too many, in-group tensions will merc out surplus until an illness or competitor restores balance, a cataclism, a virus or perhaps an animal may be the one thing to bring humanity's mad race to a more moderate approach until It can sustainably begin Its breakneck pace again if ressource depletion doesn't occur first. The speed at which information today is lost and forgotten is incredibly alarming for our futures, we rely on It to not start over with no innate true growth.

                [...]
                As we rely on information, any loss means the struggle to find answers must be repeated and with It time that cannot be brought back is lost. Our universe itself has an expiry date, while large, we are still limited ourselves with a much more humble clocked date, how much can humanity or anything do is decided by seemingly lenient deadlines that once they inch closer will feel like chokeholds, yet on the present it feels like every day is a horrible screw-up waiting to happen, those who built the prisons did the same as what new groups did, they congregated through shared ideas and opportunity seeking. They either rose where they are (but will never fit in) or always were those who took the spear for the caribou (old is a flavor of gold). Some take their caribou for themselves, others share bits, some simply use the energy It gives to lead a goal, wether that's two caribou or an indirect goal is also a possibility. What energy does a rabbit bring? Not enough to hunt a caribou, unless you are to step on other's share, surely you won't get there without being a statistical anomaly.

                If you can feel you can have thought... Well, as someone who got to experience losing their mind to an illness for a month, surely you must right, but to be witness to the quality of the expression of the self and be unable to even communicate with yourself is a disturbing experience to say the least. I can travel myself anyday, I do not have issues rotating the apple and I can converse with myself, however, once my mind went blurry It left this primal sense of utility that suffocated the enjoyment and reflexion out of everything and made all tasks of mental orders gradually more daunting, and over time, I couldn't even get to that level of interpretation. I was a prisoner, and there was walls of flesh and blur, I was incomprehensible to others, confused and physically unable to use the social nature of my humanity to It's normal extents as I was simply too low to go. I dislike the idea of the brain being so weak, yet able to contain so much soul, that if nothing is, we are bound to return to It, all these cells serving as conduit for living electricity and chemicals. It's a tragedy anyone unwilling has to die, and stop. While being in stasis can be a dreamy state in my eyes, to not be and to lose self is the worst existence possible, for you should be aware and able to change yourself through expression and communication no matter the form wether It's in pain or bliss or the lack of both. Death is an aberration. A mechanism unique and crucial to life, but of a thing I cannot tolerate to imagine exists for the mind and feel, loss of inner information can be a replacement for death of the mind, yet we do not have that luxury.

                bro no one is reading your novels

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but to me death will always remain the greatest adversary of the Will of Man

                It is the greatest adversary to all life. We may instinctually be cautious and dislike death, we are not wired to fear it. If we feared it by nature, we simply wouldn't exist as a species. We would be to afraid of hunting or fighting. Fear is a creation by man, it is the cause of overthinking and intensive planning. It has been created through photonics and visualizations, it is nothing more than a stressor that breeds internal weakness. It should not be confused with caution, which is how we determine the intensity of problems.

                >A similar end can be attained with enough efforts if one is to find somewhere desolate or contested enough to reside alone
                Right, either path leads to the same results. One a bit more willing than the other.

                >I do somewhat remember thinking of exclusion and limitations as a form of hold that allows the singular self to be expressed from within instead of within society or groups
                It is. It was not always like this, people used to share commonality and like-mindedness within their tribes and their kins. That's how we established foundations and security with each other, because we are each other. In prison, it's the same thing. It's entirely tribal, they isolate themselves by race and by skill. Not anymore, too many people, too much spread.

                [...]
                >but we are many, and there is many rabbits, while caribous are fewer and fewer and provide a lot, who should have the pleasure to hunt them, how to decide?

                We are too many and soon the rabbits won't even be enough. The agriculture revolution has been the most destructive thing to the human collective. It has caused overpopulation which has worsened us as a species. We are not quality, we are quantity. We have too many people of different backgrounds and we no longer have like-minded packs, they are dying out. The caribou is being eaten by the tight-bands that remain, those who erected the prisons.

                Another thing on death and death row. I don't see it as the ultimate bondage, the inescapable. Bondage is entirely physical, you may physically die and be restraint but you can never mentally be disconnected with yourself. You could be lobotomized and put into a straight jacket, fed only cornmeal and water, and blind and deafened. All of this, and you'd still never restrained entirely. You enter different realities, you befriend yourself over and over and make new worlds. Leave your own physical world and enter the metaphysical, the deep caverns of your consciousness and reincarnate yourself. I recommend 'The Star Rover' by Jack London as it touches deeply on what I'm writing about.

                And besides, death is the return to the original state of being. Non-existence, returned to what ever was before. Is it nothing? Is it a glamorous afterlife? Walking the Earth for all of eternity as a soul? Who knows, why worry and be scared of it until you reach the zenith of the moment. And after, take comfort in what ever existence you may be in. You may not be able to mentally form new worlds and brave them in your death, but in that case it probably won't matter so much since nothing is impeding you anymore. If you can feel, you can have thought.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you can feel you can have thought... Well, as someone who got to experience losing their mind to an illness for a month, surely you must right, but to be witness to the quality of the expression of the self and be unable to even communicate with yourself is a disturbing experience to say the least. I can travel myself anyday, I do not have issues rotating the apple and I can converse with myself, however, once my mind went blurry It left this primal sense of utility that suffocated the enjoyment and reflexion out of everything and made all tasks of mental orders gradually more daunting, and over time, I couldn't even get to that level of interpretation. I was a prisoner, and there was walls of flesh and blur, I was incomprehensible to others, confused and physically unable to use the social nature of my humanity to It's normal extents as I was simply too low to go. I dislike the idea of the brain being so weak, yet able to contain so much soul, that if nothing is, we are bound to return to It, all these cells serving as conduit for living electricity and chemicals. It's a tragedy anyone unwilling has to die, and stop. While being in stasis can be a dreamy state in my eyes, to not be and to lose self is the worst existence possible, for you should be aware and able to change yourself through expression and communication no matter the form wether It's in pain or bliss or the lack of both. Death is an aberration. A mechanism unique and crucial to life, but of a thing I cannot tolerate to imagine exists for the mind and feel, loss of inner information can be a replacement for death of the mind, yet we do not have that luxury.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          They don't care, they deal with all of the horrors we shy away from. Extortion, killing, theft, usury. They are modern day barbarians. They are figures frozen in time, they don't belong in our society in idea. However, we are controlled by the worse of them.

          They are masterminds in their own right. While we toil in lines at the DMV or scramble to work, they train themselves to get better at what they naturally do best. Domination and plundering, they are the most 'natural' men by far.

          Like I said, masterminds in their own right, they find ways to destroy others and benefit for themselves. No different from a Neanderthal or brave Frisian barbarian. They live in the moment, not worried about the future. We all do, human beings are not designed to plan far into the future because plans don't work. We are meant to take things with each motion, to work with the outcomes and either advance or recede from them.

          I feel like I'm rambling so I'll make it concise. Criminals, especially knowledgeable ones, are able to express themselves in a more primitive and 'natural' way by showcasing violence and dangerous behaviors. Convicts, are, metaphorically speaking, imprisoned prehistoric men. They know the situation and continue to do what they want knowing that they have reached a zenith in their fate. No longer at the mercy of an other force other than death itself. The highest powers of our countries are the same, they enact acts of violence and extort us into our own 'safety' to generate more for them.

          No problem, in some regards I didn't really know what I was saying after a certain point and felt a bit redundant.

          To make it even more concise. Thoughtful, convicted criminals with even an ounce of introspective are anachronisms (we all are to a degree). Regardless if they know exactly who they are, they know why they do the things they do. Because, they are pushed and have seen all reasonable options as unreasonable. They are forced to live in an existence of incredible bureaucracy and they simply can't fit in. Once they reach prison, they have reached one of the worst aspects of life, imprisonment. Prisons are collectives of very like-minded people, they can physically express themselves through their violent nature. They do worse inside and they get put into solitary. At that point, you are alone with yourself, the only person that understands you best. You may not be able to go out and party or take a hike in the woods, but you are with yourself and soon realize that you must become at peace with your own violent nature rather than change it for the supposed 'better'.

          Death row? This is the pinnacle of living freedom, you have graduated every level of vindication and are no longer at the mercy of anything. 'Do what you must, I have already won.' Is a good phrase for this situation, nothing is out of reach. You have no limits, you are what people inherently envy, limitless mental reach. Then, you die, shown as a something to fear and loath than something to observe and learn from.

          That probably wasn't very concise but whatever.

          listen I get where you coming from with the whole barbarian stuff but at some points you just sound really stupid. life can be very dull and meaningless and there is something lost when man cannot express his aggression and violence but the idea that being a knucle dragging moron with no sense of critical thinking or long term planning who can do no good for their community except make it worse until they need to be contained from it is the "ultimate freedom" is unfathomably dumb. you were given sentience to be above the animals and this is how you use it? the whole "death row" part sounds like something an edgy kid would write instead of someone trying to make a coherent argument.

          its all in the balance. its always been. you make the best of both your natures. if you cant see that then

          Noble savage BS only ever spewed by well to do whites and literally no one else

          there is no instinctive desire for danger. Humans have always trended towards eliminating danger and labor. The convicts are genuinely too stupid to.

          was right and you really have no say in this argument.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >its all in the balance. its always been. you make the best of both your natures
            When did anyone deny this?
            >being a knucle dragging moron with no sense of critical thinking or long term planning who can do no good for their community except make it worse until they need to be contained from it is the "ultimate freedom" is unfathomably dumb.
            No one is talking about 'knuckle dragging morons.' Stupid people are stupid and lack greater impulse control, that's why I used the federal convicts as an example. Federal convicts graduated to the level they are at, they didn't get their from stealing hubcaps and robbing liquor stores. They did something so prolific, so enriching and something that was so against the federal government that they had to be imprisoned by them.

            You didn't really read or understand anything I wrote. The butcher, the farmers, the florists. They all have their own passages and habits, they have their balance the same way a moral less criminal does.
            >you were given sentience
            It was more of an earned thing.
            >life can be very dull and meaningless and there is something lost when man cannot express his aggression and violence
            Exactly, you just seem to have an issue with the absolutes and think that everyone with an iota of violent tendencies is just mentally moronic. Was Nebuchadnezzar a moron? Was Alexander the Great a moron? Were Kahn, the Caesars of Rome, Leonidas, all of these men in history that gave little-to-no qualms to violence or war and the consequences that they brought, were they all morons? No.

            A moronic, jailhouse criminal with no conception of anything outside of his own wants and needs is not the smartest and certainly not the most progressive because he does not belong in this timeline. He belongs roaming the Sarah with a spear, sourcing for food in the desert.
            >the whole "death row" part sounds like something an edgy kid would write instead of someone trying to make a coherent argument.
            Low energy response.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >can do no good for their community except make it worse

            Well, how can the actual examples I gave to you do that? Take the federal convict. Usually, his crimes were to generate incredible amounts of money for him and his family. Sure, you can make the argument that he should've gotten a 'real job' like washing dishes or putting up drywall. But why? Why would you limit yourself to such slavery if you have the gut to put yourself into the crossfire for yourself and your people that need you. You are a man after all, the provider for your family and yourself. It's high risk high reward of course, but that's what life is. Finding the best possible options for the situation. Do you think a caveman would go out with the hopes of hunting and killing a squirrel? Or a rabbit? No, he would want to largest animal he could get his hands on. Just like how a farmer wants the best land or the butcher the best game or the convict the best crime.

            A foolish, hubcap stealer who can't provide for their families adequately are simply victims of themselves and their environment. They are lower thinking, they have the blueprints to succession but lack the ability to perform because of lower thinking. That's why Africa doesn't generate world-domination bent leaders, they didn't evolve.

            >tl;dr
            We are being forced to chase rabbits while they kill the caribou.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >We are forced to hunt rabbits while they hunt the caribou
              Huh, maybe true, but we are many, and there is many rabbits, while caribous are fewer and fewer and provide a lot, who should have the pleasure to hunt them, how to decide? I can't help but wonder. And slightly unrelated, but wouldn't It also remove greater freedom to be fair here?

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go live in the woods without electricity and internet and survive off fruits and bugs you find on the ground, literally nothing is stopping you

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >literally nothing is stopping you
      Wrong. Go into zones you don't own, youre getting shot. Buy land of your own and try to leave on it, and you'll get property tax forcing you to go back to society to pay it off.
      You can't truly go off-grid in modernity, and believe me some were very motivated on doing it.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you want to live like an animal you have to protect your territory like them. I suggest throwing your feces at the tax man.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Buy land of your own and try to leave on it, and you'll get property tax forcing you to go back to society to pay it off.
        Woodlots are (relatively) inexpensive. You wont need to save up much (relatively) to have enough money to pay year after year for the rest of your life. Especially if you aren't building anything permanent and are shitting all over the place; I'm talking $200 annually.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Go into zones you don't own, youre getting shot
        Thats just part of the authetic animal experince you want

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Paying taxes and following rules is involving yourself in society. The only thing truly forcing you to do that is the state's own violence. It's no different from natural rule, you're just up against a larger, more dangerous animal than yourself. You're a prey, live like one and hide like the little b***h you are

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          False analogy. You can't compare the global military industrial complex to a local predator

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >want to live outside of confines of society
        >still respect society's laws
        You don't actually want to go off the grid

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually dont really, I was just saying that the anon is wrong based on what someone who actually did did and faced.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Go into zones you don't own, youre getting shot.
        And animals have to worry about predators - I don't see the problem here.
        >you'll get property tax
        Just don't pay your taxes.
        This is the problem socialists, leftists. You never want to accept the responsibilities of life. There are things must come to terms with - life isn't fair and never will be.
        Either adapt or die.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      No human survives alone in the forest though. To truly return to monke you would need a tribe to help you survive.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    with communism you don't live anywhere

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick are commie blocks then?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Holding pens.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >oink oink! landlord le good!
      kys, shill

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >people CAN'T invest their life savings in apartments they can rent to people

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tfw no Khrushchevka

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    socialism will win

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      with communism you don't live anywhere

      kys /misc/shitter vermin

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >/misc/ belongs to Jeb, you ignorant pest!

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That Sweater
          Unironically cute.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is my first time seeing Jeb! dog. He Might of won with that grade a mascot

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cry harder

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    So true and deep... We should return to monke

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      PhD in Existential Philosophy here. What you guys don't realize is that every living being pays to live on earth only in different currencies. Monkeys pay in energy, deterioration of their bodies, higher risk, humans deteriorate slower, live safer, but pay money. No one is really winning.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        truly the level of insight expected from a PhD
        sasuga

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >living beings die eventually
        any more revelations mr phd?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        what communist vermin dont understand is that the need to work to live is intrinsic to how the universe itself works. you must expend enetgy to stave off entropy. if you dont, you die, and that energy is taken by other life yrying to do the same.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        why the frick would it take a PhD in philosophy to point such an obvious thing out?

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