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Could dolphins, elephants and whales develop human like consciousness and intelligence? if scientists perform experiments on their brains and implant microchips inside it.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dolphins already have human-like intelligence outside of language capacity. Our language skill is our biggest advantage though. It gives an apparent multiplication of learning and reasoning skills.
    Humans who haven't learned language skills are actually significantly more dull than a dolphin who has been raised by humans. They have predictive reasoning. They have theory of mind. Properly raised captive dolphins have a downright spooky amount of intellect, and are only held back by their ability to store vocabulary and use grammar. I could see a helper implant running an LLM removing all doubt of sapient equivalence in some members of cetacea.

    I don't know as much about elephants to say anything on the matter.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dolphins are chimp tier at best and feral humans are chimps with gimped spatial reasoning at worst

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A dolphin could easily manipulate a chimp. A feral human doesn't lack spacial reasoning. They lack all abstract reasoning. We're incapable of first order logic without language.

        Orcas are > dolphins though, they’d likely do even better provided we were able to conduct those same kind of experiments you’re talking about on them
        Elephants are likewise operating on an incredible level of consciousness, just the fact that they can actually take an interest in their reflection and use mirrors to see parts of themselves that they’ve never seen is crazy stuff

        Orcas are dolphins you midwit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They’re in the dolphin family, “dolphin” is not used to refer to Orcas, hence why they aren’t called dolphins

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In proper taxonomy, all orcas are dolphins but not all dolphins are orcas. Like how all humans are apes but no all apes are humans.
            Clades work as a hierarchical downward tournament

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, I don’t believe I said otherwise

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You said so in normie language.

                While I completed it with autismo cladelord speech.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Understandable 🙂

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Orcas are > dolphins though, they’d likely do even better provided we were able to conduct those same kind of experiments you’re talking about on them
      Elephants are likewise operating on an incredible level of consciousness, just the fact that they can actually take an interest in their reflection and use mirrors to see parts of themselves that they’ve never seen is crazy stuff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Our language skill is our biggest advantage though. It gives an apparent multiplication of learning and reasoning skills.
      >Humans who haven't learned language skills are actually significantly more dull than a dolphin who has been raised by humans.
      How does it work in autists (level 1/2) who certainly lack the language skills to adapt in society but do come across as being very good at rational reasoning independently?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    boredom kills plenty of humans, I imagine it would completely destroy whales and elephants

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who's to say they don't already do?

    Orcas live in matriarchies because they don't have cattle to raise/rear/eat which for some reason always leads to patriarchal societal structures in humans

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They probably have consciousness, but being different animals it depicts differently than our own.
    Think about how different human beings are. We can not even begin to fathom what it is like to be another animal in the mind

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More importantly, could selective breeding of rats or dogs produce materially more intelligent individuals within a dozen or so generations?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >More importantly, could selective breeding of rats or dogs produce materially more intelligent individuals
      How would you screen for that? What would be the requirements or parameters to determine "materially more intelligent"? There is a constant argument on if the capicity to obey a command alone is a form or intelligence or not. What hope is there with other not-so-demonstratble means.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >humans have hardly more brain mass relative to body mass
    What is the meaning of this? I thought we were special.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Perhaps. But the communication barrier is a massive obstacle we have yet to overcome. There is no way to know for sure, until there's a reliable way to peer into their thoughts, ie. with language or mind-reading technology.
    You also have to consider the possibility that "human like consciousness and intelligence" could be a much lower bar than expected. Just look at your average Xwitter/TikTok post.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just look at your average Xwitter/TikTok post.
      I get your implication and I agree

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PC vs Mac autism
    unexpected twist

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No because brain structure is more important than brain size

    They have chimp like intelligence because most of that mass is dedicated to sonar and motor skills. The frontal lobes are proportionally small. Axonal conduction velocity is low. The spindle cells are sparse and disorganized. They have hulking intel core 2 duo PC tower brains and we have M1 macs that BTFO them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frick off machomosexual, your pussy little paper thin laptops suck shit

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