The pet and animal community
This is a joke, right?
>the entire point of veganism is that they believe animals are people
that is not the entire point of veganism. the vast majority of vegans don't believe animals are as valuable as people.
the entire point of veganism is that they believe that the life of a pig is worth more than a piece of bacon. that's it.
it's really sad that you can't even get 1 sentence into your post without strawmanning vegans.
you come off just as unhinged and delusional as the one in a million vegan eco-terrorists that you criticize by going this far overboard.
>the entire point of veganism is that they believe animals are people
No, the point is to avoid perpetuating pointless suffering. Empathy is a white people thing so you probably won't understand this but lesser, weaker beings still value their own lives and seek to avoid pain. As the domimant species with power over every other living being the choice boils down to mercy or pointless cruelty. It's really that simple.
I genuinely believe this is a tactic by meat industries to make vegans look like dangerous loonies. If any actual vegan genuinely wants to force carnivore animals to eat plants then that person it's a complete retard with zero idea about how nature works.
A bit like flat-earthers used to claim all conspiracy theorists are loonies despite evidence of there being actual conspiracies? Makes sense
>I genuinely believe this is a tactic by meat industries to make vegans look like dangerous loonies.
you see this tactic everywhere, ESPECIALLY on this site by rightoids. they'll discredit the more far-out shit their side says, but everything the other side says is 100% true
>incels spamming BBCs and calling for race war and killing politicians? it's the LE FEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!
>leftists calling for killing all predators and bombing factory farms? 100% LE TRUE THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!!!!!
you are silly
the people accusing posters calling for race wars and total politician death of being feds are feds muddying the water
thank you for proving my point
really noone posted it yet? Ok
genuinely funny how veganism has looped around from "we're equal to animals" to "we get to decide literally everything that animals do and will ever do"
There's no need to rush it, but with technology we'll eventually build a perfect pyramid ecosystem to sustain us where predation won't really be necessary. Every piece of life on earth will be bent towards funneling resources to the appropriate end points.
Pure insanity. Basically Marxism pushed on nature. The outcome will be destruction, as always.
Everything we have now would be considered impossible by our ancestors. You are right in noticing the philosophical similarities, but really it's just the crass pragmatism of a Round-Up ready cornfield. Every aspect of biology will become an increasingly refined gear in a continually improved and harmonious system. Genetic engineering will allow us to manipulate the levers of our ecosystem until it becomes whatever we want.
It's a pipedream fantasy. Remember when people used to say we would have cities on Mars by now?
here we go with the guy who watched a jordan peterson video and decides everything bad is marxism
you have to be 18 to post here
we can't even prevent economic collapses or protect elephants
There is a whole subreddit full of people that want all predatory animals on Earth killed.
Y'know how Mao in Communist China had all the sparrows killed, then bugs multiplied and devoured all the crops, starving millions?
Left-leaning people tread a thin line between stupidity and straight up being a monster.
It's like a mentally healthy tranny.
To some yes, to others no, they can't come to term with our very existence being cruel, and how consumption and destruction make way for sustainability and life the same way as creation and birth, even fighting suffering creates suffering. It's bound to be a struggle against an immovable force until no one is left standing. It's human nature imo, just that here It's a bit glaringly obvious that they're going against nature and creating suffering for the predator animals and the rest of the food chain, considering ecosystems needs balance that predation does provide better than any human intervention ever could...
No one really needs to suffer to live, bro. Just get your food from the grocery store like a normal person instead of killing it, kay?
FROM OUTER SPACE!
don’t deer and cows eat birds all the time?
I’ve seen videos of this exact thing
horses too, many herbivores will opportunistically eat limited amounts of meat (such as corpses and the young of small animals) and may even benefit from doing so
It's schizo veganism taken to its logical conclusion.
When did nuance on internet discourse die? Why is every single group of people held accountable for their most retarded members? Funny how skitzos call out every stupid person in their in group that says crazy things online as controlled opposition or false flags but when it's a group they don't like it's all one hundred percent true and honest gospel....
You're doing the same thing to online schizos, retard
schizos are genetic failures and don't deserve sympathy
Funny you say that, i think the same about homosexuals, state employees and non-whites. See you at the camps.
I'm not any of those things and still think schizos (btw schizophrenia is most common in american blacks) should get the rope
hylic psychopath naggercattle
Doing whatever you want for your own gain with no regard for others is as hylic as it gets, have fun staying trapped bitch boy
People thinking generalization is a legit way of thinking, and since It's appealing to make narratives, everyone and their mothers is doing It, and those that don't have interests just follow with It, also people using group names instead of very broad ones or just the name of the people involved, It's all about labels and boxes, I don't know when It'll die down a bit, scapegoats and strawmen were always a thing, over time It gets so beaten into you, you just believe It too, It took me time to free myself from that shit so I would know
>Why is every single group of people held accountable for their most retarded members?
Because association is entirely voluntary and self-policing is the responsibility of any and all groups.
I honestly believe PETA is some kind of psyop to make people rationalize unnecessary suffering. I'm not against eating meat or other animal products, I do so myself, but it should be as humane as possible. But PETA does so much retarded shit that when they come out with actual footage of chicks thrown in grinders or pigs being kicked in the head in factory farms, normies just go "lol good, gonna go eat some nuggets and bacon right now". People think empathizing with animals at all = dirty PETA vegan hippie
unfortunately PETA has done some bad things but they have also done many many good things. the blanket hate for PETA comes from propaganda. unfortunately any animal rights organization that gets enough traction will eventually be vilified when they are organized in opposition to extremely lucrative industries. on top of that PETA is confrontational and not afraid to double down and be loud instead of capitulating to bad faith actors.
it's interesting you use this word because PETA has been the subject of extensive astroturfing/propaganda by the center for consumer freedom, which gets a very large amount of funding from agriculture and factory farming interests. they are responsible for many of the extremely pervasive myths against PETA which are outright false, very misleading or overblown, like that they kill animals or kidnap pets or whatever.
Why aren't they just making food out of the male baby chicks?
They do, pet food.
Nice. Where's the problem then
I think the male chick disposal is a kind of filter in this topic of debate. While it looks and sounds horrible at a surface level, it really is no different in result than a standard slaughter of meat birds. The death is instant, probably even faster than that of the slaughtered adults, and is thus humane. And the chicks aren't wasted either, they are turned into food for something else.
So when people freak out about this and call it evil, they are either ignorant or blindly following emotions and should not be listened to.
there's nothing humane about killing an animal for no reason other than it's inconvenient. male chicks can provide meat but it's just not as much as females so they're killed. lets just be honest and admit the fact that these animals killed to save people a couple dollars on their poultry.
on top of this, the germans have a way of detecting the sex of eggs within days of fertilization, eliminating this practice alltogether, but it's marginally more expensive so again we can see that this isn't some "unavoidable consequence of farming" but simply something that is done to maximize profits.
the problem is that the people who defend this as okay almost always have an issue with dogs being killed in the same way at a puppy mill for example. they'll start with wild and arbitrary reasons as to why its different when in reality its the same thing.
you're right though it is a filter, people who don't see anything wrong with it shouldn't be listened to.
But they do overeuthanize animals and did kidnap pets, wether overblown or not this and their "willing to traumatize kids" approach alongside blatant offensive statements that give them no sympathy for that sweet shock factor, It's hard to root for them. I wish there were more known animal rights organizations that weren't as rotten as Peta. Simple as.
>I wish there were more known animal rights organizations that weren't as rotten as Peta.
Because online schizos are 100% right all the time.
>t. online schizo
You're a joke, OP, if you think those people have any influence in the real world.
thats what they used to say about trans activists back in 2006
Don't bring that shit into the debate, It's bound to derail everything because you know It will
>don't point out other instances of loud minorities with crazy views who broke into the mainstream
These things start on the fringes and then leak inwards towards the center. And because you refuse to entertain that possibility, you'll fail to stop them. What are you gonna say when some insane vegan compares lions to Hitler and calls you a nazi for wanting to preserve wolves?
Troons don't fundamentally threaten a major industry.
Also this, they benefit industries if anything by creating sales/communication opportunities and heated debates for their enemies to thrive on and get followers, funds or votes, nothing inherently negative for companies unlike radical vegans (unless we're talking pharma and cargo transports because damn you gonna need supplements and exotic veggie imports).
My fren, I've known trans people for decades before the media did the chimp out and the election years happened, they're not the problem. Stupid people will always exist, trying to silence their asses makes them martyrs in their group's eyes, you cannot kill a stupid idea once It's out in the wild.
>and then leak inwards
As I said recently on this thread, for the moment, predators are not endangered by schizo vegans but by the meat industry.
Unlike trannies they don't have big capital backing them and there is nothing to gain from it.
talmudic morality in action is what it is
And the lion shall eat grass like the ox.
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