BULL FUCKING SHIT. We literally have canine teeth and are OBLIGATED to eat meat otherwise we grow deficient and our bodies begin to wither away. Our earliest ancestors were more carnivorous than us with Homo Ergaster eating mostly large game. The Homo Sapien skull getting smaller is due to the fact we don't eat enough meat and evolution has basically said "don't eat meat then you will become a small brain herbivore" it fucking sickens me to see this and the degradation of our own species.
Have you seen the evolutionary tree? You’re closer to rabbits than canines. The sharp teeth are literally just relics of sexual selection in the past for long sharp teeth that extended past your jaw. Gorillas have bigger canines than you.
But enough about that. I’m not going to eat animal flesh because that would involve killing animals, something I’m not going to do and something that I’m not going to import Somalians in my country to do for me
>actually we are herbivo-
SHUT THE FUCK UP gay KITTEN KILLING WHORE
human teeth are evolved for cooking deer carcasses to share with our fox and wolf wives.
that's how Steve Jobs killed himself like a retard instead of listening to oncologists
Yeah I'll be sure to take diet advice from the animal protection agency.
No biases there... nope.
Imagine forcing a creature of the forest to live in that grimy dungeon and expecting it to breed
they gave it festive wallpaper, what else do you want?
No it isn't. That's how you get diabetes and colon cancer.
We have a lot of physical and physiological adaptations that could support a meat exclusive diet on humans, but teeth is not one of them and isn't true for all animals either.
Turns out adaptations for eating fruit and eating meat are pretty similar dentally. Guess which one humans are.
I don't know. You tell me.
Okay. I will tell you. Funny how you have to give the example of an arctic offshoot of a literally tropical animal to justify your madness. Did you know polar bears eat more meat than brown bears too? Wow!
>missing the point
Yeah. Guess how the descendants of ancient Filipinos, pajeets and chinamen crossed the Bering strait without getting scurvy. By eating the readily available fruits and vegetables that grow on the arctic, of course.
The juiciest fruit of them all
The one that eats meat. Biologically, requires meat to thrive. Your unnatural globalized economy and supplement products don't change a thing. Not practically, not ethically. I can grow chickens in an apartment.
>requires meat to thrive
This seems to be a popular line recently, but "thrive" is very vague here. Is there a specific health outcome you're talking about? Or nutrient missing from plant foods? You mention supplements, so I assume you know about the obvious candidate, b12. But I'm not aware of any good evidence that b12 supplementation is inferior to getting it from meat.
Thrive = optimum health, not staying alive. Fat neckbeards are alive but not thriving. Should we all be fat? Think, violent crime would go down if people were less physically fit!
B12 absorption from supplements is poor and every pseudo-spiritual new age nutjob/hypocritical jain/vegan/etc (same shit) should really consider eating an egg or something. There's less suffering and ecological destruction involved in eating an unfertilized egg than any other B12 source considering chickens can subsist off 0 animal matter and be kept as free ranging, quite happy pets. However you should also be trying to replace
Required for optimal muscle function and neural activity. Creatine supplements do nothing to normal people. Vegan retards notice an immediate improvement. Personally I just eat a bit of flesh automaton here and there. They're an efficient use of pasture land and food waste.
Sunlight alone isn't as potent as this and you can not rely on sunlight alone to have proepr vitamin D levels. Only mushrooms can offer a natural plant-based substitute and it's not as potent as this either.
Did a nutritionist figure out your diet? No? Then you're probably slightly iron deficient. Your body is set up to absorb heme more readily, and absorb iron from other foods best only if you consume heme, reducing the amount of plant food you have to burn through during droughts and other supply chain issues.
Only found in animal products. Your body does better with an excess, not the minimum amount it needs to survive and synthesizes on its own. Used in regenerating and maintaining neurons.
I don't see a single fucking reason not to eat meat, eggs, and dairy anyways. We are not producing them anywhere near efficiently and still coming up with a massive excess and the best sources are basically NPC animals that don't care if they die as long as it doesn't hurt.
just wait for a war on the mainland US to break out and vegans will remain vegan for a month tops
B12 is sourced from bacteria anon and if you count shipping and infrastructural costs it's the same as an egg. I get where you're coming from but any ideological vegan is going to rip you apart because they have fucktons of experience refuting arguments like yours all day every day.
Why are you on Wauf? I don't make any delusions about eating an intelligent creature, it's either them or me and I choose me.
>I just eat a bit of flesh automaton
Is this slang for penis?
It's a slang for filthy dumb grass muncher scum. Gott grill die kuhe.
>Why are you on Wauf
>They're going to rip me apart
They've only ever said THE SUPPLEMENTS WORK, JUST EAT LOTS OF X, YOU ARE MURDERING LE HECKIN SENTIENT BEINGS AND CAUSING LE SUFFERING like I believe the dubious arguments these pathetic meat-shells have souls when they were created to be eaten and the tastiest ones gladly submit to it.
I will keep a chicken in my backyard. It will eat my unwanted foodscraps. I will eat its eggs. I will eat it when it stops laying. And I will be happy.
oooooh okay, you're a schizo, got it seeya when the thread 404s bye
>You can't just have morals and unprovable beliefs that contradict my morals and unprovable beliefs
Only mammalian carnivores have souls. Everything else is a chinese room at best.
I will look down on you from the afterlife.
At least you admit you're coping.
>I will keep a chicken in my backyard
Focus on your homework for now.
Says the one coping with his disordered fee-fees from watching too many talking deer cartoons.
>actually i'm going to pretend this soulless automaton is self aware and truly suffers just like me
>that explains why i don't feel comfortable with it dying, not my prior socialization at all
What am I coping with? The irritating existence of fucking vegans and their non-stop accusations and moral posturing, that's what I'm coping with. I have PTSD from dealing with midwit self-styled liberals.
Your obsession with vegans as well as the fact that you need to trick yourself with myths about "flesh automatons" and "souls" suggests that consuming meat constitutes a serious moral struggle for you. I don't think you have what it takes to slaughter an animal.
Normal adults come to terms with the fact that farm animals are as alive and conscious as they are and move on.
You fantasize about having a chicken as if it's some distant goal and not something you can acquire in a day, suggesting that you're a kid that still lives with his parents. You still have a long way to go.
I never thought about it all. I have looked inside prey's eyes as I killed it, observed it for its entire lifespan, and never felt an ounce of guilt. And yet with higher animals my experience was the total opposite... including pigs.
And then the vegans came. Middling in intelligence, about as well spoken as a bush voter justifying the Iraq war, they forced me to question it. And so I said, man, you can't prove consciousness in either direction, so this is a spiritual issue or material bullshit where it's "all chemicals, man", and I don't see or feel any spirits in these things, and my chemicals are not flowing the way they do for what I perceive to be superior lifeforms. And I implore you to care and come to agree, because you are a threat to my food supply and what is the most sustainable and robust source of vital nutrients known to mankind.
>normal adults come to terms with the fact that farm animals are...
No, they don't think about it at all. They are funny borderline alien, cartoony things to them.
>You fantasize about having a chicken as if it's some distant goal and not something you can acquire in a day
I have been waiting for my permit from the city for seven months so I can have a rooster and up to 12 hens.
Not the guy you replied to but do you take issue with carnivorous mammals being hunted/eaten?
They have souls. I feel bad when things with souls die, whatever the murderer knows or doesn’t.
Would you extend that to it being ethically wrong? Assuming you aren't just defending yourself of course. If someone wants to go wolf hunting is he "behaving badly" as ethicists put it? Again, there's no threat to his livestock or safety, he just wants to kill a wolf.
The only moral truth is what I feel and think. The idea that morals and ethics come from anywhere else is absurd.
I feel so therefore it is. Also it’s funnier to claim on Wauf.
I would agree, I think morals are subjective. I'm just wondering if by your ethical standards, it would be unethical to go out of your way to kill a mammalian carnivore. Like some guy in the suburbs, who has ample access to herbivorous meat, decides to go innawoods and kill a wolf or bear or whatever.
Obviously, yes. That's like going out of your way to kill a person. Wolves are morally equivalent to people and we owe them as much citizenship as they're willing to take advantage of.
Fuck horses though.
The motto of everyone but some of them add extra steps
>I feel so because my dad beat the shit out of me so I feel a need to agree with him
>I feel so because I believe this specific storybook
>I feel so because I also feel that feeling this way will maximize the number of people that view me as good
Feeling is nothing more than having a thought with no solid basis (ie: every moral) so it's a sensible statement. Some of them are foolish enough to say they think but they really mean they think (because they think, because they...) because they feel.
That's a new one. I commend your consistency though. Animal rights but only for (mammal) carnivores.
HUMAN rights. Wolf lives matter. Also, this means vegans want to renounce their rights and merely get a chance at forgiveness since they're still biologically carnivores. If they insist they're herbivores no matter what, then you can eat them.
>implying carnivores aren't food too
Predator meat tends to be pretty skunky and nasty.
The higher off the trophic ladder you consume from the less palatable the meat tends to be.
I could eat you and you would be delicious. Doesn't mean I should. But why waste meat if I happen to shoot you?
His consistency is based upon his beliefs about animals which are completely subjective. He wants the animals he likes to be given more rights than others because he likes them.
it's like all morality, but self aware! :O
stirner's ghost taking the piss
>Wolves are morally equivalent to people and we owe them as much citizenship as they're willing to take advantage of.
If you are not symbiotically linked to my species you can fuck right off.
>I feel so therefore it is.
The motto of SJWs
That's fair. Why do only carnivorous mammals have souls?
Your cringy animal psychoanalysis completely undermines any potential argument you might have had.
I think it's just his weird coping mechanism
>Animals can be trained on food
The "Out of Africa" theory has been debunked multiple times. Native Americans never crossed any land bridge, they evolved from howler monkeys.
Your NPC kind are about to be wiped out and nothing gives me greater joy.
While I could somewhat agree on the out of Africa theory your whole humans evolved from diffrent primates is actually fucking retarded. Literally go read a fucking book about genetics.
>By eating the readily available fruits and vegetables that grow on the arctic, of course
And shell fishing.
the one that eats both and can also subsist on various grains and tubers if necessary.
varied diet is great for humans, and the ability to survive (even if not thrive) without much access to fruits or meats or grains/etc is a big part of why we became so successful. We're top tier opportunistic generalists.
Humans don't need sharp canines. We have tools.
Why is this so difficult for vegan morons to understand? Let me put it another way: "If humans were intended to eat grain, why do we need to use yeast as an intermediary to make it edible? We should just eat fruit, nuts, and roots." See how retarded this argument is?
So do gorillas and they eat plants only.
Gorillas have MUCH more developed canines than humans. Just wait til you hear about musk deer (which defy twitter, reddit and deviantart by lacking bulldog cheeks - the nerve!).
Those aretusks for fighting dummy.
>Reading anything peta says
Oh I see, you're a power bottom.
Amazing how well versed you "very strong masculine young white conservative men" all are in fag terminology.
How’d you know it was fag terminology smart guy? Sounds like you came for the other kind of butthurt.
I'm actually gay. What's your excuse?
My place or yours?
And here's the insufferably insecure vegan who has reached the point where his malnutrition is causing hallucinations and paranoid delusions. He seems to harp on one imaginary demographic a lot, probably the one that makes his butthole twitch in anticipation.
Eat an egg vegcel
ikr you can really tell he more he mentions very strong masculine young white conservative men the more frantic his typing becomes as he gets more and more aroused
>only applies to fresh meat
>We literally have canine teeth
what canine did they come from?
our canines are laughably tiny in comparison with even our frugivore relatives...
humans have also developed a relatively long digistive tract in order to digest *gasp* plants!!! AHHHHHHHHHH and this predisposition towards AHHHHHHHHHHHH PLAANTS probably led us to the a..a...a-agricultural revolution
Humans have the most reduced digestive tract of any primarily plant eating ape. Our proportions are closer to pigs, but we have a shorter gut and more reduced cecum (because we eat more meat) and omnivorous macaques. We also do not have any physical adaptations for digesting cellulose or display any behavioral adaptations like eating our own shit to further ferment our food because A MEAT HEAVY DIET COMPLETELY PRECLUDES THAT UNTIL YOU DEVELOP A STRONGER STOMACH AND FASTER TRANSIT THROUGH A SHORTER GUT! We are objectively omnivores that lean heavily towards being carnivores, as we have lost adaptations for eating plants in favor of ones for eating meat.
The agricultural revolution is marked in history by a worldwide downturn in human health by the way.
We do not have large canine teeth because we use our hands for killing prey, dismantling corpses, and crafting sexual displays. Only brainlets use the big scary teeth argument.
You are definitely a pig.
Oh no you called me an intelligent social omnivore. Unfortunately i eat less plant matter than a pig and am more like a monkey. Objectively.
Eat fish vegcel.
lol humans have a poor predisposition towards plants. only highly advanced agriculture can make a vegan even somewhat healthy.
eat a fucking egg or a fish. problem solved.
> anatomically herbivorous
What type of cope is this?
We make testosterone from cholesterol. Adult males require roughly 8mg of dietary cholesterol per kilogram of bodyweight to synthesise testosterone.
Sure, proto-humanity could have eaten at least a pound of nuts and seeds every day to get enough phytosterols to [inefficiently] synthesise testosterone (and consumed half our daily caloric requirement), or we could eat a single egg.
For women (and men in other functions) prolactin (the milk-production hormone) is synthesised from peptides. Peptides are found in cereals and beans, but a significantly greater concentration of peptides is resourced from lean meats and shellfish.
The fact that our hormonal system is built from the ground up to require a meat-based diet proves to me that humans are carnivores that can eat plants, not the other way round.
The 2+ million years of nearly every single fucking hominid eating enough meat to leave evidence of it in the fossil records should have been enough.
As well as humans being unable to efficiently digest the most common plant based foods (leaves and grasses) unlike every other herbivore including omnivorous great apes, because fruits and nuts are relatively uncommon foods.
As well as our closest genetic relatives chowing down on bugs, eggs, bush babies, and each other despite having leaves as an option.
And the animals with the most analogous digestive tract proportions going for meat whenever it's available.
Oh but we don't have pointy teeth in front for killing things with our mouths so we aren't carnivores. Nevermind that we actually have shearing teeth adapted for chewing meat in back. Or the ratlike scissors up front.
>Adult males require roughly 8mg of dietary cholesterol per kilogram of bodyweight to synthesise testosterone.
I require proofs.
Sounds like a defect in male biology. Good thing that can be corrected.
>The fact that our hormonal system is built from the ground up to require a meat-based diet proves to me that humans are carnivores that can eat plant
We are fully omnivore in the truest sense of the word.
Our feeding habits (small animals, fruit, root, fish) go all the way back to the fucking early hammer skulled mammals of the jurassic period. The only thing that changed is that we exchanged land insects for nuts
>humans are anatomically carnivores
Even if that were true, it doesn't really mean anything. This sort of thing happens in nature. Pandas are anatomically carnivores yet subsist primarily on plants.
In any case, there's nothing dubious about calling humans omnivores. Being an omnivore just means we can survive on a varied diet, which we can.
We are anatomically meat-reliant omnivores. Veganism is as unnatural as eating nothing but prime cuts of muscle tissue.
Our ancestors ate tripe, liver, and chyme because high quality plants simply aren't available often enough for our bodies requirements. We also ate a lot of fish and scavenged kills. We do not have killing teeth because our fangs are handheld, and we do not have great grinding teeth because those are also handheld, so peta can take their tooth comparisons and suck it.
The animal with the most human like digestive tract is a macaque that eats lizards and frogs.
Honestly, eating plants isn't working out well for Pandas. They have to eat massive amounts of bamboo a day just to survive, even then they're unable to digest it and get miniscule amounts of nutrition from it.
Due to this Panda have had to adapt a new lifestyle that involves being as lazy as fucking possible because otherwise they have no energy and die. They cannot even walk up fucking hills anymore. And to make it worse, the reason Panda are so notoriously bad at breeding is in part due to their plant based diet. They often don't even have the energy needed to fuck, and even if they do and manage to get pregnant (which happens less now because their body doesn't waste energy going into heat anymore) it often cannot support the pregnancy due to a shit diet.
The only reason Panda haven't gone extinct is because so much is spent trying to prevent it.
God Panda are a shit tier animal.
pandas would be fine if it weren't for humanity fucking up their environment... did you really think pandas would be specializing into a dead end?
>did you really think pandas would be specializing into a dead end?
That is in fact something that happens regularly and how a lot of species end up extinct.
Every species ends up extinct retard
>did you really think pandas would be specializing into a dead end?
Fucking lmao. Do you really think Pandas are somehow capable of planning their evolution? This sort of overspecialization is common, and why most species go extinct. They start out as generalists, find a niche, over specialize, then climate or disease things happen, oops primary resource is gone, extinct.
Pandas are literally just the herbivorous equivalent of a polar bear in terms of specialisation. Most bears eat primarily plants anyways
>The only reason Panda haven't gone extinct is because so much is spent trying to prevent it
What the fuck are you talking about?
Panda conservation is 100% stopping farmers from destroying the last strip of habitat they have left. Before chinks started destroying their forests pandas were an extremely successful species with a massive range.
Most Reddit extinction fetishist types don't know shit about ecology or evolutionary modes lmao
>w-what, you mean this bear heckin adapted to the single most common woody plant life in prehistoric east asia
>NOOOO THAT'S HECKIN WRONG AND EVOLUSHUNARILY BAD LIKE LE KOALAS REDDIT HECKIN TOLD ME THESE ANIMALS WERE DEAD ENDS
This is speciation in process. Why not just let it happen and let a new Homo herbivorus species develop? Just don't interbred with vegans and slowly they'll evolve different adaptions to herbivory.
>let vegans speciate
>stronger jaw muscles for processing more nutritious uncooked plant matter physically limit skull growth
>less steep forehead, more robust jaw
>jaw extends to accomodate larger grinding teeth, slicing teeth adapted for cutting up scavenged corpses and later cooked meat by the first humans reduce down to what is needed to strip leaves from a fork or start a cut in an orange peel
>result is a voice that is both nasally and deep at the same time
>feet shorten and broaden
>musuclature increases for operating manual agricultural tools (powered systems were too bad for the planet)
>hands become stronger and meatier, only retaining the dexterity needed to pick stuff off plants and later, climb trees. making and using fine tools becomes less important as agriculture and basic carpentry is done with larger, cruder instrument than the sharp points used for hunting and butchering meat
>cultural factors cause the evolution of a divided rectal pouch so the first few inches do not store feces and self lubricate when stimulated, as well as a naturally flexible anus, due to females refusing to mate with males who are not progressive enough
>also aids in passing large, firm stools from fibrous diet, selected for hardcore because those with more flexible and lubricated orifices spend less time shitting and wiping and more time eating, important for a nutrient-poor vegan diet
>homo gigantus gayus
Last few times human populations have speciated it hasn't gone well for us.
They kind of already segregate themselves don't they? Just allow it at this point.
>The agricultural revolution is marked in history by a worldwide downturn in human health by the way.
This is true of any increase in contemporary civilisation before the advent of modern medicine
>cities were invented, people got sick
>cows were domesticated, people got sick
>the wheel was invented, people got runover
>the spear was invented, people got speared
It don't mean much.
This, pandas were doing decently in their specialized niche before humans raped the environment they lived in and decimated their numbers.
The because matters and you know it
>people got sick… because humans are obligate carnivores and can not get all the nutrients they need from plants that occur locally and in season
>because even with an advanced global economy you will be popping supplements of questionable effectiveness because you like to imagine chickens are distraught over their periods going missing
Ironically the agricultural revolution only got good when our livestock stopped dying and we evolved lactase persistence not when we figured out how to import fancy highly perishable plants from mexico mid-winter. Vegans have never been rigorously vindicated, only people against processed and overcooked foods have.
We're already both. Yu body adapts in a few months to yeas if you switch around and as long as you don't go idiotic 100% in one direction it'll work out.
But you'll still have children of vegans who don't want to be vegan and children of non-vegans who become vegan.
Our reduced gut, sharper molars, and closest cousins also eating meat agree
Just don’t eat your fellow carnivores
>dont eat seafood, pig, chicken because my retarded beliefs say so
Accumulates heavy metals. I wouldn't eat any carnivorous fish. I'm not counting insectivores here at all, because bugs aren't really meat. Bugs are more like highly mobile plants.
Least nutritious, least flavorful, most diseased meat, livestock will actually eat you if they get the chance, as well as each other. Pork eating is a chink tier activity. People originally ate them in emergencies because they were hanging around subsisting entirely off turds.
Replace this with rabbit or goose. The only good food from a chicken is their unwanted periods. They make good pets for vegan fucks who have accepted they need animal protein to live.
Found the WEF shill
>Accumulates heavy metals.
Fuck yeah. m/
Based metal enjoyer
PETA is a joke organization that kills most of the animals they profess to help and solicits donations from dumbass celebrities who don't do proper research before throwing their money at them. Fuck em.
"Obligate omnivore" while technically accurate sounds like an oxymoron. The truth is both PETA and the typical young white male NPC that frequents this site are wrong. Humans are almost obligate herbivores. The amount of meat that even primitive societies eat is WAY more than humans are supposed to be eating. And no, your example of savages in Europe 30kya doesn't prove shit. Push and I'll post the video. Having said that, all herbivores either are foregut fermenters (ruminants), must consume their own shit (gorillas and rabbits do this) or eat accessory meat (pandas, monkeys, humans are also in this category). Horses appear to be unique in being hindgut fermenters that don't require anything else.
Too true, biologist friend.
Shut up and eat your snow crab
No I want to eat giant ground sloth