Dogs probably self-domesticated from eating scraps and us both scaring away other animals but I'm not really sure why we ever cared about cats despite how cool they are. I doubt most of them bothered to hunt vermin and were just cute fluffy companions.
thing not mentioned itt that helped a lot with the relationship is both are pretty generalist in what they eat and need and this there's a low floor for maintenance. dogs are mostly straight up scavengers. cats can seem somewhat picky and autistic to the naive eye but in the scheme of the general animal kingdom absolutely are not. helps a lot when the animal doesn't have some retarded maintenance hangup
domestic cats are actually prolific scavengers now. it comes with the reduced body and brain mass of being a domesticated animal honestly. they probably originated as partial scavengers, partial hunters who reaches equilibrium with fat, docile mice living in trash heaps. basically the same thing as a dog just more consistently pointy eared and a bit dumber.
I read a story once called A Parliament of Beasts and Birds about what happens to the animals after the apocalypse. In it, one of the ideas was that dog was the first animal that Adam named, as it was the first animal to walk up to him, and cat stayed hidden only approached Eve.
1: Seagull
2: Duck
3: Goose
4: Mosquito
5: Hornet
6: Dog
7: Leopard
8: Bear
9: Lion
Only after man sat down with his dog after a long day of being harassed and hunted did he find
10: "Couch attacking toes" Now just called cat.
For all the dogs of history who went lame and spent their remaining life sleeping on a pillow and barking at moors, there are millions more horses that had their brains pulverized for spraining an ankle.
Just have enough capital to buy dozens or hundreds of acres in the country. Have nice house, nice garage, nice barn, no neighbors sitting on top of your shithole apartment. Quiet. Two problems: Mice and coyotes.
name some other animals that >are capable of useful tasks >not really dangerous to humans >are very cheap and easy to care for >are about as adaptable as humans when it comes to climate and temperatures >are easy to breed >have good life spans
Baseless speculation on my part, but here goes: >dogs help hunt game and/or guard livestock, while cats keep vermin out your food stores >the utility they provide if kept alive vastly outweighs their (rather low) value as food >on the other hand, your other domesticated animals generally offer little if any worthwhile benefit to your survival beyond slaughtering them for food/materials >in short, cats and dogs are helpers and allies, whereas livestock are just walking garbage cans that convert unpalatable biomass into meat >much (if not the majority) of your grazing herds won't see the following year anyway as they would have to be culled as winter approaches*, whereas cats and dogs would be sticking around for years to come >in this context, it's far easier to form meaningful attachments to cats and dogs than to livestock animals
*to my understanding, pasture typically has far less grazing capacity during winter for various reasons, so would only be able to support a significantly smaller herd than in warmer months without importing significant extra nutrients in fodder (not entirely practical before three-field crop rotation)
I imagine horses/ponies might have historically enjoyed a similar situation, but it's a lot harder to justify keeping them "just because" when they're far larger, far more expensive, and require space that increasingly few people today seem to have.
They even have the Senate in their paws, these bastards. >The Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act of 2018 is a bipartisan bill outlawing the slaughter and trade of cats and dogs in the United States. It passed the House by voice vote on September 12, 2018.
Because these two are the ones who actually signed up to be human companions. >wolves started following cavemen around for food scraps and helped them out during hunting. >cats just kind of showed up, decided they liked living with humans, and made good PR by not being a degenerate vermin.
Unlike other domesticated animals which humans headhunted and recruited, cats and dogs actually showed up with a CV and did good enough to get hired.
C'mon, just do it like cats did. Don't wait for the human. Approach the human. Chat up the human. Go clubbing with the human. Obtain the headache of a lifetime with the human.
They rely too much on water, you'd need a small lake to keep one happy, now imagine seal owners only providing it with a kiddie pool...
It's for the best they aren't domesticated
Baseless speculation on my part, but here goes: >dogs help hunt game and/or guard livestock, while cats keep vermin out your food stores >the utility they provide if kept alive vastly outweighs their (rather low) value as food >on the other hand, your other domesticated animals generally offer little if any worthwhile benefit to your survival beyond slaughtering them for food/materials >in short, cats and dogs are helpers and allies, whereas livestock are just walking garbage cans that convert unpalatable biomass into meat >much (if not the majority) of your grazing herds won't see the following year anyway as they would have to be culled as winter approaches*, whereas cats and dogs would be sticking around for years to come >in this context, it's far easier to form meaningful attachments to cats and dogs than to livestock animals
*to my understanding, pasture typically has far less grazing capacity during winter for various reasons, so would only be able to support a significantly smaller herd than in warmer months without importing significant extra nutrients in fodder (not entirely practical before three-field crop rotation)
I imagine horses/ponies might have historically enjoyed a similar situation, but it's a lot harder to justify keeping them "just because" when they're far larger, far more expensive, and require space that increasingly few people today seem to have.
Plus, my own thoughts: No hooves. Hooves make a lot of noise and are uncomfy for cuddles. Myself, I love the idea of guardboars wearing kevlar. Pigs can be trained. Not as readily as a dog, but easier than a cat. The more I think about this, the sadder I get.
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seal bros... how come humans don't want us
We do, boo, we do. It's just, we from two different worlds, baby. Tell otter and beaver we love them, too.
I read a archaeology account about humans and wolves a while ago and always like it
>Find some old cave >No one had been in it for a long, long time >Sort of the same deal as the Lascaux caves >Archaeologists see child footprints in the dirt or whatever >Behind them are these massive wolf paw prints >Immediately assume that the wolf was stalking the child and likely killed them inside the cave >Continue inside cave >Cave gets wider >Notice now that the footprints and the paw prints are side by side rather than one following the other >Stay like that until it reaches the exit >Determine that the wolf wasn't stalking the child >The wolf was with the child as a protector >Estimate the prints to be 20,000-30,000 years old >Much older than the human-dog/wolf relationship was ever thought to have been
Cats do not hunt down mice at a rate sufficient to be a valuable asset, and that's sadly the only thing they can even sort of manage. If you are wise, you can use a cat properly, because the cat will *temporarily* scare off mice. The mice will return in about 4 weeks. that means you have 4 weeks to clean up the mouse shit, store your crap properly, and seal up shoddy storehouses. Cats are inept against rats. The cats hunting style is the source of its limited utility - it sits, it waits, and it pounces if it looks easy. It has very few neurons in that brain and it needs to conserve energy to get any use out of them.
The continued presence of the cat after that is not necessary. The mice will return in 4 weeks and exhibit more cautious behavior, so the cat will feed but the mice will still breed. Most cats aren't controlling any pests, they're eating random shit in the middle of the field that wasn't bothering anyone.
A dog, on the other hand, is an invaluable asset in pest control because they are highly driven hunters that will gladly kill in excess and pursue even difficult prey.
started following cavemen around for food scraps and helped them out during hunting.
Sounds more like lazy animals trying to get an easy kill and lost all hunting instincts and are now totally useless in the wild. Dogs are the fucking worst.
Dogs are actually pretty good at surviving in the wild and are known to join wolf packs. Most dogs and all cats, barring the ones in ecological wonderlands like australia, will die off if they don't have at least indirect human gibs, but cats generally suck at living without us, while some particularly strong dogs can say "fuck it" at any time and return to WVLF.
>Cats do not hunt down mice at a rate sufficient to be a valuable asset
and bloodletting didn't actually help sick people in any way either, but what mattered is that dumb farmers believed it
despite all those mice they were a persistent problem
Just have enough capital to buy dozens or hundreds of acres in the country. Have nice house, nice garage, nice barn, no neighbors sitting on top of your shithole apartment. Quiet. Two problems: Mice and coyotes.
>mice
the cats won't do anything. more sanitary practices will. >coyotes
on the other hand you could feed them the cats because the coyotes actually do get rid of mice
started following cavemen around for food scraps and helped them out during hunting.
Sounds more like lazy animals trying to get an easy kill and lost all hunting instincts and are now totally useless in the wild. Dogs are the fucking worst.
Dogs probably self-domesticated from eating scraps and us both scaring away other animals but I'm not really sure why we ever cared about cats despite how cool they are. I doubt most of them bothered to hunt vermin and were just cute fluffy companions.
>I doubt most of them bothered to hunt vermin
Why? Even to this day it's still their favorite hobby
Their ancestors were dumb enough to agree to be our slaves.
>10 years later
Fail.
In many countries we use punters and commas the other way around
thing not mentioned itt that helped a lot with the relationship is both are pretty generalist in what they eat and need and this there's a low floor for maintenance. dogs are mostly straight up scavengers. cats can seem somewhat picky and autistic to the naive eye but in the scheme of the general animal kingdom absolutely are not. helps a lot when the animal doesn't have some retarded maintenance hangup
domestic cats are actually prolific scavengers now. it comes with the reduced body and brain mass of being a domesticated animal honestly. they probably originated as partial scavengers, partial hunters who reaches equilibrium with fat, docile mice living in trash heaps. basically the same thing as a dog just more consistently pointy eared and a bit dumber.
I read a story once called A Parliament of Beasts and Birds about what happens to the animals after the apocalypse. In it, one of the ideas was that dog was the first animal that Adam named, as it was the first animal to walk up to him, and cat stayed hidden only approached Eve.
That's bullshit
The first animal named would be the seagull
1: Seagull
2: Duck
3: Goose
4: Mosquito
5: Hornet
6: Dog
7: Leopard
8: Bear
9: Lion
Only after man sat down with his dog after a long day of being harassed and hunted did he find
10: "Couch attacking toes" Now just called cat.
You forgot about someone OP? The only reason we don't live with you is because of size.
For all the dogs of history who went lame and spent their remaining life sleeping on a pillow and barking at moors, there are millions more horses that had their brains pulverized for spraining an ankle.
Literally everything is a pet now.
Because we do not deserve hyenas.
Cats are great even today if you have mice
just dont live in a poor shithole infested with rats
Just have enough capital to buy dozens or hundreds of acres in the country. Have nice house, nice garage, nice barn, no neighbors sitting on top of your shithole apartment. Quiet. Two problems: Mice and coyotes.
name some other animals that
>are capable of useful tasks
>not really dangerous to humans
>are very cheap and easy to care for
>are about as adaptable as humans when it comes to climate and temperatures
>are easy to breed
>have good life spans
Mustelids? Raccoons? Foxes?
they smell bad
Baseless speculation on my part, but here goes:
>dogs help hunt game and/or guard livestock, while cats keep vermin out your food stores
>the utility they provide if kept alive vastly outweighs their (rather low) value as food
>on the other hand, your other domesticated animals generally offer little if any worthwhile benefit to your survival beyond slaughtering them for food/materials
>in short, cats and dogs are helpers and allies, whereas livestock are just walking garbage cans that convert unpalatable biomass into meat
>much (if not the majority) of your grazing herds won't see the following year anyway as they would have to be culled as winter approaches*, whereas cats and dogs would be sticking around for years to come
>in this context, it's far easier to form meaningful attachments to cats and dogs than to livestock animals
*to my understanding, pasture typically has far less grazing capacity during winter for various reasons, so would only be able to support a significantly smaller herd than in warmer months without importing significant extra nutrients in fodder (not entirely practical before three-field crop rotation)
I imagine horses/ponies might have historically enjoyed a similar situation, but it's a lot harder to justify keeping them "just because" when they're far larger, far more expensive, and require space that increasingly few people today seem to have.
>Just the two of us.
Capybaras may join them soon.
They won, every other living thing is killed or eaten by humans but they get pampered
>bars your path
They even have the Senate in their paws, these bastards.
>The Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act of 2018 is a bipartisan bill outlawing the slaughter and trade of cats and dogs in the United States. It passed the House by voice vote on September 12, 2018.
>right place
>right temperament
>right time
Because these two are the ones who actually signed up to be human companions.
>wolves started following cavemen around for food scraps and helped them out during hunting.
>cats just kind of showed up, decided they liked living with humans, and made good PR by not being a degenerate vermin.
Unlike other domesticated animals which humans headhunted and recruited, cats and dogs actually showed up with a CV and did good enough to get hired.
seal bros... how come humans don't want us
too fat unironically
C'mon, just do it like cats did. Don't wait for the human. Approach the human. Chat up the human. Go clubbing with the human. Obtain the headache of a lifetime with the human.
>ywn do sambuca shots with your seal bro in studio 54
because they live in places humans dont? also too heavy
They rely too much on water, you'd need a small lake to keep one happy, now imagine seal owners only providing it with a kiddie pool...
It's for the best they aren't domesticated
too dependent on water, and too dirty.
you don't even want to know the kinds of nasty things you can catch from interacting with a seal.
Too fun to club
See: and
Plus, my own thoughts: No hooves. Hooves make a lot of noise and are uncomfy for cuddles. Myself, I love the idea of guardboars wearing kevlar. Pigs can be trained. Not as readily as a dog, but easier than a cat. The more I think about this, the sadder I get.
We do, boo, we do. It's just, we from two different worlds, baby. Tell otter and beaver we love them, too.
I read a archaeology account about humans and wolves a while ago and always like it
>Find some old cave
>No one had been in it for a long, long time
>Sort of the same deal as the Lascaux caves
>Archaeologists see child footprints in the dirt or whatever
>Behind them are these massive wolf paw prints
>Immediately assume that the wolf was stalking the child and likely killed them inside the cave
>Continue inside cave
>Cave gets wider
>Notice now that the footprints and the paw prints are side by side rather than one following the other
>Stay like that until it reaches the exit
>Determine that the wolf wasn't stalking the child
>The wolf was with the child as a protector
>Estimate the prints to be 20,000-30,000 years old
>Much older than the human-dog/wolf relationship was ever thought to have been
Cats were used to hunt down mice and other things that ate grain. For an average farmer cat was 10 times more valuable than a dog
Cats do not hunt down mice at a rate sufficient to be a valuable asset, and that's sadly the only thing they can even sort of manage. If you are wise, you can use a cat properly, because the cat will *temporarily* scare off mice. The mice will return in about 4 weeks. that means you have 4 weeks to clean up the mouse shit, store your crap properly, and seal up shoddy storehouses. Cats are inept against rats. The cats hunting style is the source of its limited utility - it sits, it waits, and it pounces if it looks easy. It has very few neurons in that brain and it needs to conserve energy to get any use out of them.
The continued presence of the cat after that is not necessary. The mice will return in 4 weeks and exhibit more cautious behavior, so the cat will feed but the mice will still breed. Most cats aren't controlling any pests, they're eating random shit in the middle of the field that wasn't bothering anyone.
A dog, on the other hand, is an invaluable asset in pest control because they are highly driven hunters that will gladly kill in excess and pursue even difficult prey.
Dogs are actually pretty good at surviving in the wild and are known to join wolf packs. Most dogs and all cats, barring the ones in ecological wonderlands like australia, will die off if they don't have at least indirect human gibs, but cats generally suck at living without us, while some particularly strong dogs can say "fuck it" at any time and return to WVLF.
>Cats do not hunt down mice at a rate sufficient to be a valuable asset
and bloodletting didn't actually help sick people in any way either, but what mattered is that dumb farmers believed it
>Cats do not hunt down mice at a rate sufficient to be a valuable asset
>Not knowing about based mouser Towser
despite all those mice they were a persistent problem
>mice
the cats won't do anything. more sanitary practices will.
>coyotes
on the other hand you could feed them the cats because the coyotes actually do get rid of mice
You do know that without cats it would be a lot worse, right? Mouse didn't evolved millions of strategies against cats because cats were inneficient.
started following cavemen around for food scraps and helped them out during hunting.
Sounds more like lazy animals trying to get an easy kill and lost all hunting instincts and are now totally useless in the wild. Dogs are the fucking worst.