>orca get up to 26 feet in length
>they travel up to 100 miles a day
>the biggest seaworld tank is 220 feet long
Why is Seaworld allowed?
>orca get up to 26 feet in length. >they travel up to 100 miles a day
>orca get up to 26 feet in length
aquariums and zoos are evil and should be abolished tbqh
>NOT THE HECKING ORCARINOS!!!! THEYRE SO INTELLIGENT!
>killer whales proceed to use intelligence to rape and torture and maim and kill for fun constantly
Watch the orcas kill a baby blue whale so they can eat the little half snack that is its tongue and then leave the mother try to resuscitate it. Mind you blue whales are critically endangered with 2% of their population remaining, and reproduce very slowly.
Meanwhile, orcas are fucking everywhere in adundance killing actually rare pelagic fish and marine mammals. Yet some pit mommy complex keeps them protected.
They were never endangered, so they were listed as "conservation dependent". So basically, we have to treat them like they are endangered even though they are not. This designation is incredibly rare and usually reasonable, applied to somes species with an extremely limited range, like one lake, but with a healthy population. Not a species as cosmopolitan as the fucking peregrine falcon.
When the killer whale numbers exploded and they found even more previously undiscovered populations, this BS no longer held water. So they said "well, maybe a sub variety of a sub variety of a sub species is endangered and we don't know!". So now they are treated as critically endangered whilst being designated as "data unavailable."
It's absolute insanity. What caused it? Free Willy? I'm going to guess that it was Sea World, which is hilariously ironic. Everyone loved that place, especially the killer whales. Shit, sea world is the one that popularized even the layman calling them "orcas" instead.
>NOT THE HECKING DIVERSIRINO
>2%!!! (and whose fault is that lmao)
meanwhile, here they are saving a young, scared and defenseless humpback juvenile
maybe stop trying to apply your sick, warmongering, slave-driving "world view" upon these people; unlike you, they aren't aware of hard sciences such as taxonomy or biology, and even if they were they'd likely be far more upset at the pollution and industrial overfishing in the oceans rather than the end of this or that particular type of baleen whale
it's not a question of saving a specific bloodline from extinction, but of sparing a fully sapient submarine people from horrible and meaningless suffering as captives for the sake amerifat-style "entertainment"
So, the answer is schizophrenia, got it.
Plus, the video is literally titled "unheard of!"
I can link you videos of big cats taking care of their prey like their own young if you want, and they aren't even morphology or genetically close like two species of whale are.
Those big cats just kind of hung around the prey though, they didn’t go out of their way to assist it
Smaller cats have nurtured their primary prey species to adulthood.
Inb4 domesticated. Okay, then obviously indoor/outdoor cats aren't an issue with native bird populations.
it's "unheard of" because whale watching involving transient orcas and humpbacks is hard enough as it is; seeing encounters between them is statistically rare, and even so we've seen them prey upon humpbacks, hang out peacefully with humpbacks, help humpbacks feed, and now we've seen them go out of their way to swim over and save one in trouble after the poor thing started panic-vocalizing
this is exactly your fucking problem, though; you think in terms of hard mechanical responses expected of some amazonian tree frog rather than the responses of a conscious human mind with its worldview shaped by eons of dwelling in the unforgiving ocean, and so i don't expect you to understand why a global ban on abducting the children of these people for sport is important
Anon, I see schizophrenic word salad I recommend meds, it's nothing deeper than that.
the only "arguments" you have to support your sick excuse for a world-view show you for the miserable piece of shit you are and so you predictably resort to empty whining instead
>implying putting an animal in abusive conditions has literally anything to do with the fact that it’s a predator in the wild
Blue whales are predators too, but they aren't maiming baby krill for fun, fuck stick.
so do humans, who cares? maybe don't treat em like shit, oh but that's too hard
just leave em in the ocean contrarian-kun
If you own any pets you're a filthy hypocrite.
Are you using pesticides around your home? They were there first. Let nature be, bigot. Stop using electricity, think of the animals.
he was too much of a COWARD to fuck an orca
How else would you have sex with an Orca? Swim outside in the ocean? Say 'please have sex with me' while nearly drowning in salt water?
That's what Sea World is for. Orcas held in captivity so you have an easy time to get in touch with one.
I've seen sea turtles in 500,000 litre tanks which just doesn't seem enough
how big is that in cubic feet/meters?
also yeah, seems pretty depressing for these animals to be locked up just so some fat fucks can gawk at them
Keep Orca fags locked up so the cooler animals can rule the seas 🙂
there are certain animals that have slipped through the cracks of animal welfare laws
pic related also often travels several miles searching for food, as shown by pythons fitted with gps trackers
Racks and their consequences have been a disaster for the herp hobby.
AND WE WERE SURFING
>nooo dont keep animal in smaller cage than they would in nature!
>it doesnt count if you interact with them for enrichment!
are the same who
>..noo my bunny has it good, i dont need a second one, i play with him!
>the cage is not to small, i let it run around 2 hours a day!
I don't keep indoor pets. I just feed the coyotes so they kill my neighbor's cats. And I interact with wild animals that are habituated to humans
these are no mere animals
these are sapient beings with brains far more complicated than ours
they live in close-knit families, cultivate traditions and communicate in what can only be described as a language of clicks and whistling
they display absurd levels of altruism sometimes extended even to what would usually be their prey and, unlike us needing centuries of study to finally figure out they're not dumb brutes, they can tell we're sapient just by looking at us and have thus never made prey of us despite our long history together; fishing tribes who met them in their canoes typically thought the benevolent giants were the spirits of their old chiefs and heroes, as attested by the surviving myths of widely scattered tribes
the orcas are submarine hunters unable to enter the stone age only for lack of hands, they do NOT belong in a fucking theme park to do tricks for you and any monster who thinks they do despite knowing how poorly they fare there and how kind they are deserves a gruesome death
>Brains more complicated than ours
Their limbic, auditory, and visual systems are but overall, no.
>They have never made prey of us
With witnesses. I honestly think they are smart enough to get away with it. They know how good humans are seeing what goes on underwater and have figured out which humans will be missed and which ones won't. They aren't knocking over refugee boats for fun.
>these ones have no families here, they will be assumed drowned.
>don't let a spec of blood surface. take them out to the deep before you feast.
>if you fail they will kill us all.
>They speak language
So do rats. Seriously.
this is the only part that truly matters when defining personhood, anon, and theirs has developed so far beyond ours that they even have an outgrowth of it which the human brain lacks entirely
>knocking over refugee boats for fun
social predators have an ingrained tendency to expend precious energy through idle play for the sake of bonding, and they are likely the single most prosocial species ever to have lived
seeing what frighteningly efficient hunters they are, "wasted" energy is also likely of near-zero consequence
that being said, there are disturbingly plentiful legends of extremely vicious whales, and myths such as the qallupilluit, a pale/sickly-green woman with long black hair (pic related) who would pop up from the underworld (the sea) and drag unwary children into the depths, are particularly chilling
perhaps the orcas, witnessing the carnage that was industrial whaling, took the message and added humans to their NOT-prey list; maybe they even took it as an act of divine retribution on our part?
on the other hand, fishing tribes of the northern pacific venerated the orca as ocean gods and even reincarnated chiefs; a strange thing to do if they weren't friendly back then, too
perhaps, then, all the horrible stories of whales were only ever products of human paranoia blaming the huge baleens for the work of storms out at sea and blaming the inquisitive orca for disappearances near coasts?
perhaps they really are simply wise enough to tell at a glance that we are people just like them? it'll be hard to know with any certainty until their language is cracked and we can ask them ourselves
as for the high-frequency "language" of rats, isn't that simple emotional signaling like a cat's meowing, purring and hissing? dolphins, and particularly the orcas, seem to have actual grammar at work which has truly revolutionary implications if true
The limbic system is the defining trait of the dumb animal. The frontal lobe is what makes you human. Mastering yourself is forcing your mind to operate entirely rationally and independent of the limbic system's whining. This is why orcas have existed longer than humans without accomplishing more than eating fish.
orcas have gotten stuck at the pre-lithic stage ONLY because their bodies are shaped like fish, binding them to the ocean, because they are already god-like superpredators in their world without the aid of tools and because their most sophisticated means of manipulating the world around them is a pair of bone-crushing jaws
the complexity of the limbic system is what determines compassion and self-awareness; if the brain has a "soul sector", this is it, and the orca limbic system dwarfs ours even when scaled for bodysize
souls were an evolutionary mistake
the most evolved social organism has no compassion whatsoever and makes decisions based entirely on efficiency and survival. orcas will never progress because they are overly concerned with each others feelings and vague bullshit like nature worship. their frontal lobes are small relative to the rest of their brain and they will never be rational actors.
some of the dumbest humans on earth can make sharper cost:benefit analyses than an orca without worrying about compassion. some of the smartest as well. that is why we are the dominant species and they are the endangered one.
what matter is dominance to an unfeeling ant?
if you lose your soul, you will be little more than part a stale natural phenomenon
we either hold different definitions of "animal" or different definitions of "soul"
>the most evolved social organism has no compassion whatsoever and makes decisions based entirely on efficiency and survival.
Ants show compassion and will rescue fellow wounded workers from their enemies.
no we don't t. zhang
No animals have a soul despite potentially having the capacity for it with high encephalization and prefrontal cortex analogs.
orcas have something supporting their empathy that we don't. they can see inside bodies. they can't de-orcaize things like humans can dehumanize things because they immediately see how similar all mammals are.
humans rely on human-like facial cues to trigger their sense of empathy instead and don't realize that what they killed was anything like them until they lop off its head and hang it up to bleed except for a select few species that are also social predators. we used to think whales were fish, but whales would never mistake humans for anything but fellow mammals.
indeed, our shared combination of mammalian traits and sapience is almost certainly what gave the orcas such a soft spot for us
add to that the fact that we are of the "above world" from which they draw life but cannot ever enter, and it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to imagine them seeing us as visitors from the afterlife
>tfw you'll never have your way with her disembodied foot after Tilikum spits it out
the only thing that "orca trainer" creature's foot is good for is burning
Why are they standing on the baby? The dude is as big if not bigger. There denting it
That's Malia, she is 15 now, her head is fine thankfully
i can guarantee you that after 15 years of living in a fish tank, her head's anything but fine
I don't think large intelligent mammals belong in aquariums. Retarded fish like sharks and shit are fine (if they don't need to roam hundreds of miles like great whites.)
Small seals and otters are fine if they get a large space and lots of human interaction.
>Retarded fish like sharks
Sharks are pretty clever, though, and their relatives, stingrays, even more so. Manta rays are IIRC amongst the smartest, if not the single smartest fish and capable of interacting with humans in an intelligent fashion ('Hey, that thing has manipulating flippers with oposable miniflippers! Let's ask it to remove THIS FUCKING HOOK FROM MY EYE!')
I have never understood why they don’t make ponds for them, pond hobbiest will make several acre ponds
Why can’t sea world just make a several acre salt pond?
How will they profit from ticket sales?
because their main concern is profit, not the well being of the animals or even staff
Who says they want to swim that far every day?
Humans were running like 40 km every day to hunt for food, now we are happy to stay on 40m2 and never go out
>now we are happy to stay on 40m2 and never go out
but we aren't really, and it isn't good for our mental or physical health
40m^2 is bigger relative to us than what they get
>typical seaworld tank is 86' x 51' or 4386 ft^2
>tilikum was about 15ft wide and 23 ft long
>you could fit a little less than 13 of him side by side in a rank
>a large human is around 2ft wide and 1ft in depth
>an equivalent size room for that human would be 25.42 ft^2
>even if you do a really fat human that is 3ft wide and 2ft in depth, that's still only 76 ft^2
could you live your entire life in a series of 5x5-9x9 rooms without going crazy?
Difference is you have entertainment
Imagine it’s like solitary confinement with a few other people
Imagine having to live in The Room
I heard they have a new setup where they live partially in an ocean bay that’s a natural stop on their migration pattern, coming to visit every year before swimming on their way.
Don't they have multiple connected tanks?
>killed someone in 1991
>killed someone in 1999
>killed someone in 2010
>every 10 years he got a taste for blood
was he the first Orca serial killer?
>I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me
I didn't think they kept them any more at all
Because orcas are bitches and we have full dominion over them. Inferior creatures have no rights.
your mom has no rights
now I imagine bob marley singing this with the melody of no woman no cry
maybe domesticate em first eh
Tickly Cum did nothing wrong.
>On February 20, 1991, Byrne was working a shift at Sealand of the Pacific when she slipped and fell into the whale pool.
>[Witnesses said] that Byrne screamed and panicked after realizing that one of the whales (later identified as Tilikum) was holding her foot and dragging her underwater.
>[The witness] claimed to have heard Byrne screaming "I don't want to die!" while her eyes went wide in the water.
>Rescue attempts were thwarted by the whales, who refused to let Byrne go even after she was believed to have fallen unconscious in the water.
Tillikum is responsible for 60% of all deaths from orcas (3 out of 5).
No orca has killed a human in the wild.
Tillikum also sired 75% of orcas born in captivity.
>no orca has killed a human in the wild
well tbf they probably would if we killed them
i mean i wouldn't blame em
they likely have a sense of being preyed upon
>if we killed them
we did, we killed the fuck out of them. orcas were mostly killed on sight for most of human history, the US navy admits to having purposely killed hundreds of them with guns and explosives. it's only relatively recently that killing them has been discouraged
I guess the navy wasnt always gay
killin cool animals is pretty gay
>we did, we killed the fuck out of them. orcas were mostly killed on sight for most of human history
No. The US Navy was told my fishermen in Iceland that Orcas were vicious monsters that attacked boats on sight, and back then people were obviously fucking retarded and oblivious.
In reality, the Icelandic fishermen hates Orcas for ripping up their nets.
Based Icelanders reprogramming the golems to do their bidding.
>the US navy admits to having purposely killed hundreds of them with guns and explosives
Source? This sounds hilarious
If he sired most of them then they share his genetic memories. Orcas will never forget.
that is why humanity must act quickly and set things as right as possible before our gregarious guardian angels become elusive ghosts at "best" and bloodthirsty avengers at worst
orca abduction are still a relatively new phenomenon, but it won't take long before they start catching on species-wide that we're systematically ripping their children from them
they aren't goolds dude
>The whale had, for example, gnawed on the man's penis until it fell off, appearing to have eaten the genitalia as it was never discovered in the water, and left numerous contusions and bruises on Dukes' corpse.
You missed the part where they found him that morning parading the dead body on his back.
>said byrne (first victim) died because they dont know how humans breathe and she was a fun plaything
>said dukes was a dirty bum harassing the animals and got what he fucking deserved
holy shit these people are the pitbull owners of sea mammals
>HE WAS TRYING TO NANNY THEM
they don't ever (ever) do it in the wild
captive, and especially captive-born orcas are stuck in what can only be described as hell once their staggering intellect is taken into account
Uh oh, looks like somebody was fucking the sea life.
The most interest part about this is how the Orca was just trying to drown her instead of ripping her to shreds.
I mean have you seen the Kasatka attack that was filmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv2_OX4Soeg
>I dont want to die!
Do people really say cliche things like this while dying? I get “save me!” “help me!” “im dying!” etc but seriously?
Next thing she probably said was “Im too young to die!”
When i get spooked i say very loudly “nooo” and some other dumb shit.
and i dont see whats weird about people screaming for help when they’re in danger. Honestly its kind of dumb to think that you’re gonna say something meaningful and poetic when you’re about to die a violent death
>he won't die a violent death just after calmly saying " 'tis a shame that being the tide this low I drown in a sea of darkness, oh cruel irony"
Didn't you see the clip of the guy who tried to rob that store being stabbed? As the guy was stabbing him he goes
>Ah shit bro he got me, I'm dead. I'm dead...
>Brancheau was killed following a Dine with Shamu show.
>The veteran trainer was rubbing Tilikum as part of a post-show routine when the orca grabbed her by her ponytail and pulled her into the water.
>Some witnesses reported seeing Tilikum grab Brancheau by the arm or shoulder.
>He reportedly scalped her then bit off her arm and swallowed it during the attack.
I see this brave Orca has adopted the traditions of the native American Chinook tribe from which it took its name.
>Surfing the little one
The duck is this bigger doing?
This is why wild orcas dont kill humans
It's a warning
they don't kill humans because they are based
putting an orca in an amusement park should be punished by firing squad
Based actually correct joke.
If you catch a feral alpha dog and beat the shit out of it and release it the pack won't fuck with you.
If take even a low ranking feral dog and trap him in a miserable situation long enough he will eventually snap and attack.
Shit, I used a flashlight to continually wake a fish that killed my favorite fish and he was banging against the glass at my face trying to kill me by the second night.
Because orcas can travel up to 100 miles in their tank just like the ocean
What's the problem?
>pacing back and forth 2400 times is the same as walking in a straight line
i thought they got shut down after one of em killed their feeder
Did these people get away with it?
I think the one on the left got eaten
>On February 20, 1991, at Sealand of the Pacific in Victoria, British Columbia, a young part-time trainer named Keltie Byrne fell into the tank. The large male orca Tilikum rushed over and grabbed her foot and pulled her into the water (according to eyewitness accounts in the movie Blackfish). Two smaller female orcas (Haida II, Nootka IV) were also in the tank. The trainer was dragged into the water and was pushed and thrown around the pool. All three animals barred her escape, continuously blocking her path and dragging her back into the center of the tank. It was several hours before Byrne's body could be recovered.
supposedly the females were bullying him (orcas are a matriarchial species) and that turned him into an incel
>orcas are a matriarchial species
imagine, orca femdom...
It's a great park but they should def get rid of the whales and dolphins.
The ones they have left are believed to not be able to survive in the wild.
No new orcas are being caught or bred.