My mother says that people who own caracal cats are bad people because they are wild animals who should be not kept in doors like domesticated cats.

My mother says that people who own caracal cats are bad people because they are wild animals who should be not kept in doors like domesticated cats. My question is: what separates a "wild animal" from a "domesticated animal" and why are caracals "wild" when I see alot of people with them as house cats?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cats are one of the least domesticated domestic species already, outdoor cats are basically wild animals.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s2ErGoOFs8I
    look at this damn animal
    it has no ability to communicate with humans, all it does is seethe at everything

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shorts
      Not clicking

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pumba is just owned by a moron who keeps him around for views and e-fame. He's just poorly trained and his owner overfeeds the creature to cope with the fact that Pumba doesn't listen to him.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what separates a "wild animal" from a "domesticated animal"
    The thousands of years of domestication and the human impact of the breeding of the species.
    >why are caracals "wild" when I see alot of people with them as house cats
    Because they lack the domestication aspect, they are merely tamed. It's not like a house cat that's been broken into human households since birth.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what separates a "wild animal" from a "domesticated animal"
      10 000 years of human companionship.

      Foxes took, like, 30 years lmao

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can solve this debate

    Cats: as similar to the original felis lybica as possible while still being fully domesticated
    Felis lapwarmer: lesser felines with mental or physical deficits
    House panther: Similar to cats with adults over 25lbs, extremely handsome, said to be the prince of pets
    House cheetah: what it says on the fricking tin, b***h. Will not eat housewolves, may eat dogs and honorary rodents.

    Honorary rodents: any adult canine under 20lbs, any adult feline under 6lbs

    Dogs: canines under 50lbs and/or no prey drive, typically harmless
    Housewolves: canines over 50lbs, functional hunting instincts, typically very good looking, somewhat risky but worth the companionship of a real animal. Similar to the house cheetah in practicality but will eat cats, if not familiar cats then strange ones. Will not harm house panthers, house cheetahs, dogs, or canine rodents.
    Shitbeasts: housewolves predisposed to unnaturally treating their peers (humans and other canids) like food and playthings, large dogs that are violent but incapable of self sufficiency, typically extremely ugly, easy to identify and avoid if you don’t believe the lies of women and merchants. Will harm everything without exception. Happy to die fighting a lion.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >House panther: Similar to cats with adults over 25lbs, extremely handsome, said to be the prince of pets
      If these were more common I would actually respect catgays

      Why haven't you bred your little morons to be big and smart yet? It's not like they're dangerous. When was the last time you heard of a maine coon fatally attacking someone? Never, 'cause cat ownership doesn't have the same culture of normalized abuse (beating, shocking, choking, yelling, smothering free will) that precipitates violent animals like you get from your average "dog daddy" and "maligator mom" types. Bigger cats would actually be good at pest control and would keep your lap even warmer.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >There is almost no difference between a domestic cat and its wild variant (unlike dogs).
    >domestic cat: smaller brain, smaller and weaker body, infantile proportions, lower levels of testosterone and stress hormones
    but does this matter? they all self domesticated because they are rapidly evolving animals.

    >be dog
    >rewild in 2 generations, exterminate all medium sized fauna in the indian subcontinent
    >indian wolves are back baby

    >be cat
    >rewild in 2 generations, exterminate all small fauna in australia
    >dogs already got rid of most of the bigger stuff
    >now they're eating you
    >and you're eating endangered parrots
    >the slippery slope of life

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      aggressive behaviour is selected against and eventually the domesticated animal comes to depend on humans for food, water , healthcare and even reproduction

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    A wild animal can be tamed so it lives comfortably with humans.
    Domestication is an epigenetic change where the species becomes a weird forever-immature-but-adult state and starts actively seeking/desiring humans and/or human places from birth.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what separates a "wild animal" from a "domesticated animal"
    10 000 years of human companionship.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    People are stupid and just burble whatever they feel. The smart ones get their sincerely held beliefs from ten minutes of googling and message boards.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry, you're one of the stupid ones.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cats are "domestic" in the sense humans have had them a long time. But really they aren't. They're just wild animals that were useful to humans and cute. And they enjoyed the benefits of being around humans and blended right in. There is almost no difference between a domestic cat and its wild variant (unlike dogs). Caracals are the same way basically. Just a lot fricking bigger and able to pack a bigger punch than a swat if it gets mad. That's the main thing. Yeah your cat may be wild, but if they swat or bite it's not a big deal. Whereas the caracal is gonna hit a lot harder. But more like a dog that is far more agile and better with swiping claws on top of a mouth with way sharper teeth. So she has a point even if the reasoning is a bit dodgy since domestic cats are just as wild as the rest are.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Except house cats actually like people unless they are mistreated/feral and even then rehabilitation is mostly successful, wild cats even when socialized from birth are often still aggressive and completely untrainable, often pissing everywhere even if spay/neutered

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dude no. Cats were purposefully domesticated. The ancestors of blacks locked them in temples and storehouses and any that didn’t enjoy that and frequent human contact were kicked out to starve.
      Cats are smaller bodied and smaller brained than pure wild cats. Unfortunately pure wild cats are going extinct.

      >cats are domesticated, they can't live in the wild anymore
      This is wrong. Cats still currently live in the wild and are so successful at it that they are one of the top invasive species on the planet. Cats are exceptionally well adapted for surviving in the wild.

      The only places cats survive in the wild dogs also do fine. It’s a joke. Everywhere else they need human aid.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay so you just don't know anything ahout cats then. Glad we established that. Especially when you disregard that most members of even just felis catus (the domestic lineage) live in the wild and are often the apex predators of said areas. Maybe brush up on some knowledge there, bud. Cats are just fine away from human contact. Just as feral dogs often are. Hence why they are considered major invasive species and not just failing miserably in the wild even without assistance.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This kind of moronic disinfo post is why we don’t like catredditors

          The only places cats are invasive 1: dogs are either invasive, naturalized due to ez mode environment, or brutally eradicated and 2: humans are constantly stocking the “wild” population
          That’s because they are domesticated animals and suck at surviving in the wild.

          And no, cats are not apex predators. They are prey, mesopredators. Like between coyotes and ferrets. Literally every medium to large carnivore eats them. My childhood golden retriever ate them. Owls eat them.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What disinfo? Just google shit about cats. Nothing I said is even speculative or controversial. It's a matter of FACT and so well known that as you can see, most cats aren't even in human homes, but in the wild. And breed so readily and are so abundant and successful that they are invasive species of the area and kill BILLIONS of birds and small mammals every year.

            Are you trolling or trying to save face? This is all pretty standard stuff. Cats fare very well in the wild on their own. This is indisputable fact given all the available data.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Literally everywhere you find cats, you find a steady supply of idiots letting them outside, typically in an environment that is so mild stray dogs are numerous without hyper-violent control methods.

              Cats are domesticated. This is a fact. They have smaller brains and smaller bodies. They are wild like huskies are wolves.
              They are not apex predators. Where you find them in an environment without a natural one, you find dogs eating them instead.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                the only place on earth cats truly went wild and self sustaining is australia where 35lb pet dogs did the exact same thing
                >wow cats are basically wild
                i guess the shiba inu is basically a japanese jackal

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody is talking about cats people let outside. Those are feral cats. As in cats born and bred away from human contact. Which contains 480 of like 700 million cats. So most cats literally live away from humans and have never even been raised in a human household. Maybe the majority of their species being literally feral and living in the wild is due to their success at doing so. What do you think we just have tons of people letting cats outside every day and that sustains their numbers? This is bordering on making me unable to suspend my disbelief. I know not everyone is a biologist, but you can look up "can cats survive in the wild" or anything similar and find tons of studies and data regarding this. So maybe you should be providing evidence for what you say. I don't think you will because you're unable to. Likely due to just being a troll.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And here is even more. So I'm gonna leave it there. I already clearly fed the troll too many times. So 4/10. Next time you need to be a little more subtle. This was a little too far.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Cats intiated domestication.
                So did fricking dogs. Not an accomplishment. Cat domestication postdated sheep so it's doubtless that humans employed what they had learned from purposefully domesticating livestock, just like they turned dogs from "large huskies" into mutants like hounds around the same time.

                >Nobody is talking about cats people let outside. Those are feral cats. As in cats born and bred away from human contact. Which contains 480 of like 700 million cats
                moron A lets intact tom out
                moron B lets intact b***h out
                Within one year you have 50+ intact, breeding cats, which multiply exponentially. Even if these fricks live in the middle of town they are counted as feral cats.

                Their survival rate is also pathetically low. Lifespans average 2-4 years. Even a site that spreads outright lies to try and support their cat worship will agree on this one.
                https://catsinaction.org/resources/feral-cat-faqs/
                >The lifespan of a feral cat is generally less than that of a house cat. The claim that feral cats only live about 2 years is only supported by studies of unsterilized cats living with no human support.

                THE LIFESPAN OF TRULY WILD CATS IS ELEVEN YEARS.
                https://www.catsforafrica.co.za/african-wildcat-felis-lybica/african-wildcat-life-cycle/

                The population does not continue to exist without a steady supply of new breeding adults from morons A and B. This is the case in literally every country except for subtropical shitholes that also have self sustaining dog populations.

                Dogs, you see, can survive in the wild wherever cats can survive. Are dogs merely wovles that chose us? Can they turn on us at any moment? Are we lucky they like us? Are dogs, in fact, wild animals?

                The fact that dogs are #2 next to cats in terms of extinctions caused, says that by your logic...
                YES. But no. That's moronic. They are not wild animals that are super smart and chose us.

                Stop worshiping a moronic domesticated animal. Fricking idiot.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                tbh people only say things like "most dogs cant survive in the wild" because most dogs are toy breeds. sphinx, persian, munchkin, and ragdoll cats can't survive in the wild either.

                literally any medium-large dog with a natural consitution, like any husky, german shepherd, pitbull, or herding dog, is capable of surviving in the wild and they frequently interbreed with coyotes and wolves

                most of these dogs are capable of clearing a 6 foot fence if motivated. most of these dogs will form packs and hunt and eat anything a wolf would.

                so yes dogs are just friendly wolves that choose to live with us and could leave at any time.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You dont know a god damned thing.

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