Y’all need to settle down in this thread. Things are getting heated in here and ain’t nobody been posting sad dogs. If you’re gonna argue about diets least you could do the rest of us non-retards a favor and post some fucking pictures we can look at while we ignore your posts. Pic is my dog a couple hours before we put her down.
Dogs can eat a vegan diet if you recreate the nutritional balance they would get from a carnivorous diet. Doable with basic research, takes a lot of effort. The average person is WAY too irresponsible and stupid to do this generally, but 90% of pet owners already treat their pets like shit as it is.
pigs are as smart as dogs. i have known a border collie that passed the mirror test and could use mirrors to locate toys and people. but pigs are awful psychopaths by nature and dogs are more amicable. pigs may be smarter on average because there are few smart breeds and many dumb ones.
asking why you would eat one and spare the other is like asking why you'd expel the garden gnomes from london but not the scots. even if garden gnomes are smarter on average what good does that mere average that do us? the dumbest and smartest ones are equally detrimental to society.
basically, garden gnomes don't eat bacon because it's cannibalism
>THEY SHOULD BE BRUTALLY KILLING PIGS, AN ANIMAL WITH A FAR HIGHER FORM OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Enough of this soi-ence.
Pigs have fewer neurons in their cerebral cortex than a large dog and have never demonstrated cognitive feats in excess of a "brigher than average" (so not shitbull tier bred down into absolute retardation) dog. Like, ever. All science has observed is that the beagles they study don't look at shit or have any visual comprehension (from severe selective breeding) while pigs are more driven and visual. As someone with experience with both animals it goes like border collie > pig = husky = german shepherd > australian shepherd = rough collie = sheltie > other dogs > snails > any retriever or hound > any mastiff or shitbull-like dog.
Even if you were right rating the value of life by intelligence is absurd. I guess I can kill you because you're clearly a 112 IQ midwit and I'm a member of mensa.
Also, most importantly, pigs deserve it, and I think we should eat pitbulls too. Just not the good dogs.
You have to remember those pop sci articles hyperfocus on specific skills rather than the full set AKA the consciousness and will also say chimps are smarter than humans.
All animals deserve to not be abused. If someone wants to eat dog meat it's fine if they don't abuse the dog in any way and kill it humanely. People who say you can't kill a certain animal because they, personally, have had good experiences with it are incredibly tone deaf and retarded.
You don't understand the effect eating human-like animals has on empathy. Especially animals that were selectively bred to have the greatest possible effect on a normal sense of empathy.
Ask yourself if chinese and korean psychopathy is genetic or cultural, when the peaceful multigenerational rich in these countries do not eat so much dog, or human, while the working poor who eat the most dog commit crimes against humanity at a rate that makes new york look civilized
You are a typical westerner trying not to step on feelings or say anything is wrong. Worrying about "ethical consistency" and not doing what is right, right now. Dog meat is a cultural disease.
>Worrying about "ethical consistency" and not doing what is right, right now
western culture in one sentence. dont forget the baizou think the "slippery slope" is fallacy as it plays out in front of their eyes, while criticizng china "human rights abuse" that stopped it from happening.
china is not without fault. people support dog meat just because the west does not like it and it is chinese. but if china will use dogs like this, china should get rid of all dogs and never have them again.
Its because deep down inside westerners know pigs are the same as dogs and lie about pigs to cope. >they're dirty and stupid and...
Pigs are exactly as smart as dogs.
So they can't tell jackie chan to lay off the poodle while they are hedonistic bacon addicts that act more like egoists than anything else.
I don't a fuck if vegans don't want to eat animal product, my issue is when they get a carnivore pet and force your lifestyle on them, they're fucking animals and your moral values don't fucking apply to them
I give a fuck if vegans are stupid enough to equate pigs with dogs
The utility difference alone is glaringly obvious even if you don't believe any life has value. As an analogy: pig eaters are making modest gains on the stock market, dog eaters are steadily gambling away their money in the options market.
>WE'RE TELLING YOU WE THINK ALL LIFE IS HECKIN PRECIOUS CHUD
Ok but only human life is. t. chinese.
I know this is bait and I highly disagree with both situations but while animals like pigs are so wide spread and in such high demand it's alot harder to just suddenly jump in and change their mind, Dogs are only affected with this In like 3 little sections of the world so its theoretically easier to change.
But both make me so upset I want to cry And I just can't stand how fucked up life is. It's not humans that are evil its fucking everything that's evil.
The chimps that rip monkeys limb from limb while they're Alive, The lions that eat and disembowl live gazelle. The dolphins that rape fish to death and the birds that eat the brains of other live birds. The plants that suck the water and nutirents out of another. Life itself is just nothing but hurting the thing next to you to survive and its just not fair. But nothing you do is gonna fix it. It's always going to be like that. You can think killing yourself will make things better but the world will keep on going. People will be forced to starve, Pigs abused, Forests leveled, Bacteria massacred, Whatever. The best thing you can do is just try to help those around you. Adopt a rescued pig, Donate to a family in need. Help a bird with a broken wing. Just try to live as best you can.
cope, a deer just showed your ass up and your only response is >*snivel snivel* *snarf* uuuhhm sorry i downt have ay responsch *snarf snarf* *snivel* *tips glasses*
[...] >All animals lives have the same value
Impressively retarded assumption. Not everyone shares your fucktarded hindu-esque morals. If the chinks were eating shitbulls I wouldn't care at all. Any way you can exterminate those subcanines is better than doing nothing about them. However, those things in the cage appear to be good dogs, worth more alive than dead. It's a waste to breed them or allow them to breed if you don't need them alive because dogs consume more resources than they are, so if they are not a resource when alive it is a waste of food. Minimally fit behavior, if you will.
>BUT PIGS ARE AT LEAST AS SMART!
So? Intelligence doesn't determine value. Many prolific human-killers were quite intelligent, but we still executed them, because their intelligence was irrelevant when their nature was to be a detriment to the group. Pigs are totally useless in nearly every aspect, outdone by even cats. Their primary function is getting comically large eating food as low quality as literal sewage. More useful calories out than useful calories in, you know?
Feeding them corn then is disordered - minimally fit behavior. caused by socialists subsidizing certain agricultural sectors. But that's not an issue inherent to pigs, pigs are just along for the ride.
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this is the difference between lowly w*stoids and tier 1 city chinese. logic. there reason american portray vulcan from star trek as looking like chinese man.
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Little do you know, we actually turn unwanted dogs into food. For other animals. We also do the same to euthanized excess cats, horses, birds, diseased/dead livestock being disposed of, etc. If it's a shelter or the owner surrenders the body for disposal they are sent to rendering plants. This is what generic "meat meal"/"protein meal", "bone meal", with no species designation, is actually made of.
But we don't breed dogs or cats for that. Because carnivore meat is low quality, we know accepting them as a food source is a slippery slope leading to desensitization to mistreating humans because domestic carnivores are more human-like in practice than most other animals (we literally bred them to be), and a dog eats a pound of meat a day and turns into 15 pounds of meat a year later. People who accept eating dogs and cats are more likely to mistreat other humans. People who abhor the idea can be empathetic to a fault, if the fault is only in 4chanfag terms. I see hardcore racists as people more likely to eat dog for this reason.
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it was bait from the start and people bought into it anyway
I will eat pigs and I will eat dogs, meat is meat, seethe and cope
Little do you know, we actually turn unwanted dogs into food. For other animals. We also do the same to euthanized excess cats, horses, birds, diseased/dead livestock being disposed of, etc. If it's a shelter or the owner surrenders the body for disposal they are sent to rendering plants. This is what generic "meat meal"/"protein meal", "bone meal", with no species designation, is actually made of.
But we don't breed dogs or cats for that. Because carnivore meat is low quality, we know accepting them as a food source is a slippery slope leading to desensitization to mistreating humans because domestic carnivores are more human-like in practice than most other animals (we literally bred them to be), and a dog eats a pound of meat a day and turns into 15 pounds of meat a year later. People who accept eating dogs and cats are more likely to mistreat other humans. People who abhor the idea can be empathetic to a fault, if the fault is only in 4chanfag terms. I see hardcore racists as people more likely to eat dog for this reason.
You could call an insectivore a carnivore as well, technically, but they're not eating "animal" flesh in normal jargon, despite taxonomy. When I say carnivore I am using laymans terms, not biologists terms. Things that eat birds and mammals that are more complex and expensive to grow. They eat things that are also food to us, so they are consolidating a lot of readily available food into... less food. Most people do not think of fish and bugs as meat because they are so simple it's the value equivalent of a wiggly plant and the way they consolidate resources from lower trophic levels still saves us energy. A medium sized fish that eats much smaller fish is just like a cheap chicken that eats grubs, it's consolidating something that would be energy intensive to gather.
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I will eat pigs and I will eat dogs, meat is meat, seethe and cope
Meat is meat if you are a starving retard that is either extremely unlucky or too stupid to survive without extensive support. This is why there is a stigma associated with eating certain animals. For most of us, meat is the payoff of an investment. If you receive less value than you invest, it is not good meat, and you are stupid. In the long term you are throwing away food. This is why any country affected by the subsidized feed-meat complex is on the fast track to environmental and food stability implosion, and why socially advanced chinese are rapidly moving away from eating things like dogs and cats.
Low tier: All or nothing virtue morality - "life is life, either taking it is wrong or it isn't! consistency is the ultimate virtue, predictable monkey good! easy to deal with! everyone like predictable monkey!"
Virtue is the mark of the retard. If you haven't evolved past this you are a lower form of life incapable of logical action.
High tier: Selfish value judgements. The only true moral is "i want to be alive so therefore I will do things conducive to my survival". The question then is of efficiency. Throwing away food for pleasure or superstition is a bad idea.
i wonder what is the efficiency of pets? i suppose they're cheaper in the long run than lonely norps organizing and overthrowing the regime, creating hard times because they thought they knew what was best for them better than their objective superiors. we mostly feed our pets reprocessed waste that isn't considered human grade unless you want three different cancers by age 30, after all.
reproductive rate limiters + social over-organization inhibitors
they temper the primitive tribesman aspects of human nature
and exemplify how the west advances ahead of others
2 high quality, well educated children and a variety of pets to sate the mindless monke "must fuck must reprodooce" instinct > 8 welfare goblins
10 close friends, a dog, and a cat > a mob of loosely associated "compadres"
reproductive rate limiters + social over-organization inhibitors
they temper the primitive tribesman aspects of human nature
and exemplify how the west advances ahead of others
2 high quality, well educated children and a variety of pets to sate the mindless monke "must fuck must reprodooce" instinct > 8 welfare goblins
10 close friends, a dog, and a cat > a mob of loosely associated "compadres"
Your arguments are compelling. Eating ze bugs and living in pods is a valid way of stabilizing us while we figure out how to pivot out of the growth worship economic mindset. I don't think humanity will take this route though. I think we'll continue to turn food into less food and pump valuable resources into landfill at a cataclysmic scale until the wheels fall off and we finally decimate population and industry through all out war. Maybe the remainder will finally realize that global population control is the only real way to avoid such atrocities.
>Eating ze bugs and living in pods is a valid way of stabilizing us while we figure out how to pivot out of the growth worship economic mindset >We
Who is this "we" you speak of? Growth rates in places where (for brevity) "eat ze bugs" is being pushed - like Europe, Japan, South Korea, etc. - are leveling off or even falling below replacement with no signs that things are going to change any time soon; meanwhile the average fertility rate in SSA is something like 6 with places like SEAsia and Latin America not quite as high but still well into "problem" territory from the perspective of global sustainability.
Those places don't live in a vacuum. They depends on ever more markets for their crap, ever more slave labor in poorer and less scrupulous countries. Consider that sterile, stable bug eating and pod living would actually be a huge upgrade for billions of humans and you'll understand where the growth is coming from even when raw population numbers stabilize. A massive contributor to economic positivity in the last 20 years was the rise of quality of life in China, but the world cannot suffer an American style of life for even a billion of the 1.5 billion Chinese. So for a while, as they reach just a modest, barely out of poverty average lifestyle, there has been big talk about the "next China". Many eyes have been on Africa, which would be a wonderful mass slave market for a few more decades of the status quo. I doubt it would happen though. Too many social problems are in the way. We're grinding to a halt, the ponzi is breaking. All those Chinese who were promised continued growth are starting to feel regression, and they're pissed.
cringe emotional nonthinking westoid oversocialized on talking animal cartoons
[...] >All animals lives have the same value
Impressively retarded assumption. Not everyone shares your fucktarded hindu-esque morals. If the chinks were eating shitbulls I wouldn't care at all. Any way you can exterminate those subcanines is better than doing nothing about them. However, those things in the cage appear to be good dogs, worth more alive than dead. It's a waste to breed them or allow them to breed if you don't need them alive because dogs consume more resources than they are, so if they are not a resource when alive it is a waste of food. Minimally fit behavior, if you will.
>BUT PIGS ARE AT LEAST AS SMART!
So? Intelligence doesn't determine value. Many prolific human-killers were quite intelligent, but we still executed them, because their intelligence was irrelevant when their nature was to be a detriment to the group. Pigs are totally useless in nearly every aspect, outdone by even cats. Their primary function is getting comically large eating food as low quality as literal sewage. More useful calories out than useful calories in, you know?
Feeding them corn then is disordered - minimally fit behavior. caused by socialists subsidizing certain agricultural sectors. But that's not an issue inherent to pigs, pigs are just along for the ride.
based rational thinker
this is the difference between lowly w*stoids and tier 1 city chinese. logic. there reason american portray vulcan from star trek as looking like chinese man.
>All animals lives have the same value
Impressively retarded assumption. Not everyone shares your fucktarded hindu-esque morals. If the chinks were eating shitbulls I wouldn't care at all. Any way you can exterminate those subcanines is better than doing nothing about them. However, those things in the cage appear to be good dogs, worth more alive than dead. It's a waste to breed them or allow them to breed if you don't need them alive because dogs consume more resources than they are, so if they are not a resource when alive it is a waste of food. Minimally fit behavior, if you will.
>BUT PIGS ARE AT LEAST AS SMART!
So? Intelligence doesn't determine value. Many prolific human-killers were quite intelligent, but we still executed them, because their intelligence was irrelevant when their nature was to be a detriment to the group. Pigs are totally useless in nearly every aspect, outdone by even cats. Their primary function is getting comically large eating food as low quality as literal sewage. More useful calories out than useful calories in, you know?
Feeding them corn then is disordered - minimally fit behavior. caused by socialists subsidizing certain agricultural sectors. But that's not an issue inherent to pigs, pigs are just along for the ride.
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this is the difference between lowly w*stoids and tier 1 city chinese. logic. there reason american portray vulcan from star trek as looking like chinese man.
Animals are just... animals. This isn't edgy. It's how every single man, woman, and child has thought for the past 2 million years. Veganism is the edgy shit, you retard. >The world is evil, everyone is evil, you are all demons, animals are secretly the same as people.
Edgy. Yes. Everyone is evil. You're a free thinker and the only good person.
Animals are just animals. They have limited value. The value of animals varies. A cow will never be anything but a cow. It can pull a cart, or eat grass and be food. Oh, but it suffers! Does it? Did you ask it? Did the cow write a poem? Can you prove a cow has qualia or are you just guessing? What good is there in being good to the cow? What's accomplished? You're just a hungry gay chowing down on a massive plate of imported out of season greens and supplements who will start making concessions as soon as a bad year for the food supply hits.
Humans are humans. They have near limitless value and represent 1/4 to 1/2 of a lifetime invested...from multiple people, each. A human can be anything. And we can, provably, suffer. You can suffer. I can suffer. You know this because we have nearly identical brains and bodies. We can speak to each other and agree that we suffer. And even if i'm a robot, as a human I have limitless value and represent such a massive investment that there is no rational reason to terminate me - or you - unless it is absolutely essential to survival and either one of us makes it or neither of us do.
This isn't edgy, this is life. This is how every single fucking man, woman, and child thinks and has thought for the past 2 million years and deviances only occur where children are raised on talking animal cartoons and odd religions that yammer on about every bug being a reincarnated human who stepped on too many bugs.
the real value of veganism depends on other people being vegan, and being able to convince yourself you're better than non-vegans. >be nice to the cow or we won't like you
that's it really, it's based on shaming non-vegans and calling them bad and congratulating vegans and calling them good. they have no spiritual or material system like jains or top tier chinamen, it's based on a virtue contest.
so the biggest accomplishment of veganism is telling other people you're vegan.
once veganism progresses to not eating certain plants because of the bugs associated with them you'll see it get ridiculous.
[...] >All animals lives have the same value
Impressively retarded assumption. Not everyone shares your fucktarded hindu-esque morals. If the chinks were eating shitbulls I wouldn't care at all. Any way you can exterminate those subcanines is better than doing nothing about them. However, those things in the cage appear to be good dogs, worth more alive than dead. It's a waste to breed them or allow them to breed if you don't need them alive because dogs consume more resources than they are, so if they are not a resource when alive it is a waste of food. Minimally fit behavior, if you will.
>BUT PIGS ARE AT LEAST AS SMART!
So? Intelligence doesn't determine value. Many prolific human-killers were quite intelligent, but we still executed them, because their intelligence was irrelevant when their nature was to be a detriment to the group. Pigs are totally useless in nearly every aspect, outdone by even cats. Their primary function is getting comically large eating food as low quality as literal sewage. More useful calories out than useful calories in, you know?
Feeding them corn then is disordered - minimally fit behavior. caused by socialists subsidizing certain agricultural sectors. But that's not an issue inherent to pigs, pigs are just along for the ride.
>needlessly aggressive >chinks >subcanines
I think this sort of stuff is why you were called an edgelord although your views on the value of life are also incredibly callous and contribute to that as well
also >Oh, but it suffers! Does it? Did you ask it? >We can speak to each other and agree that we suffer.
these two statements kinda suggest a lack of empathy which may be contributing to your mindset
I eat meat btw
I have empathy for people. This applies roughly to sufficiently cute dogs because they look and act sort of like people. I consciously override that for dangerous ones because I have so much empathy for people that I will gladly take a million dog lives to save a retarded hobo. I don't have empathy for cows at all. Their eyes poke out sideways and all they do is pull carts and eat grass. They are not my people, and they are not useful to my people. My "empathy" for a cow is limited to empathy for a person who likes that particular cow.
>nooo you can't use that word for lachinx!
Casual racism between equally privileged races is called banter.
fair enough
that viewpoint comes across a lot better when you aren't being racist and calling people retarded >Casual racism between equally privileged races is called banter.
I have to assume you're american or fresh from 4chan because that really isn't what banter means
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I'm american, that's why I can call my black friends moron when the ladies aren't around.
Those are pretty much the same views on the value of life that nearly every person outside of the highly developed west holds, largely due to actually interacting with the animals they eat from an early age instead of idealized representations of them in media, seeing the good and the bad and knowing what they are really like. you know: man - invaluable, animals - price negotiable.
are you saying that people outside of the highly developed west have no empathy? maybe they just have a more accurate view on the value of life due to being more experienced with it.
>developed west with its ivory towers: >save EVERY pupper! they are all SENTIENT BEINGS and have a right to exist because they have FEELINGS! >no, destroy every dog, it's called consistency...peon. are dogs bad, or are dogs good? make up your mind.
>the rest of the world: >Spare the well behaved pet dogs, but kill every stray and aggressive animal. The risk to our community is too great. We can not risk a single child dying. These roaming and aggressive animals contribute nothing we need and much we don't. We've lost too many people already.
I guarantee you a lot of those illiterate poor chinese who eat dogs have absolutely nothing but bad experiences with them and part of it comes from hate. It's still a massive folly to eat them, when they're reaching the point of stealing pets for dog meat festivals, turning meat into less meat by dog farming, and have attached spiritual delusions to it. The higher class chinese who abide by it have those feelings come from a place of empathy and shame, because they don't want to be mean to other people, especially when it's a "western value" that their government is always railing against. But it is still folly, because it holds the whole of their people back. If the dogs are not to be used alive don't have dogs at all.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I literally said your viewpoint is fair when you present it in a less standoffish way >are you saying that people outside of the highly developed west have no empathy?
no, my thoughts about lack of empathy came from your statements about needing to be told that somebody or something is suffering while to a regular person that should be plainly apparent regardless >interacting with the animals they eat from an early age
I grew up on a farm but my personal opinion is that it's stupid to get all up in arms about somebody deciding to eat a species of animal you like
meat is meat and value is subjective, if people want to eat their dogs then that is fine by me, provided the animals aren't subjected to inhumane conditions before becoming food and aren't being stolen
much like how the meat I eat comes from farms and not factories >Yeah I'm american, that's why I can call my black friends moron when the ladies aren't around.
that is more akin to banter since you're directly interacting with the target of the joking casual racism
you're taking the piss with your mates which is exactly what banter should be, not randomly calling a third party "chinks" while talking to strangers
6 months ago
Anonymous
It shouldn't be plainly apparent that a dumb animal is suffering unless you'r convinced of an imaginary secret world. It's unprovable if it is.
It's less about liking dogs and more about the societal effects of eating dogs. >Massive waste of resources, low quality and contaminated meat (for this reason, the whole dog is rendered into meal and used for animal feed) >Direct confrontation of the reality of eating an inherently human-like animal counter-conditions people against feeling empathy for others. The dog/cat abuse to crime pipeline is a proven facet of human nature. Most livestock are selected for being neutral or easy to dislike and very inhuman. Dog eating cultures have to cope with borderline psychotic dog hate because they are so human-like.
Like pig eating cultures do. Because they are so human-like.
Whether or not the dogs actually suffer these remain true. Surely you could humanely farm voluntary humans for slaughter at a prime age if it's just suffering that matters right? That wouldn't affect peoples psyche or be a massive waste we don't need at all.
6 months ago
Anonymous
the amount of hate and myths directed at pigs shows it. you don't need to make things up about chickens to not care about what happens to a chicken, but people are desperate to portray pigs as the icon of sin even if they like basically similar animals like canines and felines.
all pigs are is less cooperative and much bigger. and the defenses are chinese dog meat tier >bacon is a food for MEN, eating it makes me MANLY >cry more! still eating it! seethe, (other ethnicity)! >pigs can attack people you know... maybe they deserve it....
coincidentally cultures that outright forbid eating pork also forbid eating dogs and cats.
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's generally pretty easy to tell if an animal is suffering, I don't understand what you mean by that >Massive waste of resources, low quality and contaminated meat (for this reason, the whole dog is rendered into meal and used for animal feed)
I agree it is incredibly impractical to eat dogs over any kind of herbivore >Most livestock are selected for being neutral or easy to dislike and very inhuman
I don't think that's true, we just eat what's easy to control, easy to feed and produces a lot of meat >Surely you could humanely farm voluntary humans for slaughter at a prime age if it's just suffering that matters right?
you could but it would be very inefficient, cause all sorts of moral dilemmas to arise and bring all the illnesses that come with cannibalism
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it's generally pretty easy to tell if an animal is suffering, I don't understand what you mean by that
You can't tell they're suffering because you can't tell they're self aware. It's just a distress call that evolved to get the rest to scatter. Kin selection. >I agree it is incredibly impractical to eat dogs over any kind of herbivore
It is, and psychologically damaging because of their inherently human nature which we have enhanced. >I don't think that's true, we just eat what's easy to control, easy to feed and produces a lot of meat
Largely. And then you have pigs, which don't really fill a niche you can't fill with (more efficient chickens), are really a lot like dogs and people, so need a lot of myths built around them about how they are dirty and evil, and are bordering on TCM tier bullshit as food. >you could but it would be very inefficient, cause all sorts of moral dilemmas to arise and bring all the illnesses that come with cannibalism
Which points out why eating human-like animals is bad for society as well. If you know what a dog is really like and have empathy you know that it triggers your sense of empathy and accepting it as mere food would damage your sense of empathy. Mind you these animals tend to be loaded with parasites. Like us.
Get to know a chicken or cow, it doesn't do much. They're very simple. You can often line them up and kill them in front of each other without much of a reaction. Get to know a pig, it's a dog, man.
Unfortunately Krim was a senior dog with pre-existing conditions (heart trouble and a couple tumors) and he did not outlive his family by very long, succumbing to heart failure after a couple weeks in treatment for his Russian missile related injuries.
is propaganda since the dog doesn’t understand the war, certainly, but Crim surviving the air strike that killed his family and dying about a month later is verifiable and not propaganda. And he’s certainly a very miserable looking dog.
I understand that the ongoing humiliation of Russia must be hard for schizophrenic losers who thought 'le based strongman' was actually going to defeat the imaginary overlords that prevent them from succeeding as men and this would make their lives better after some indeterminate intermediate step, but if God's going to strike down any nation, it's going to be the abortion and divorce capital of the world, where administrative male rape is a normal part of military and civil discipline and the state sponsored satanic mockery of the mother church is lead by a man who made billions of dollars with a liquor distribution monopoly and was trained in the priesthood by atheistic communist intelligence agents and not fellow priests in the true apostolic line of succession. Not their smaller, poorer, less degenerate neighbor that was invaded on false pretexts in order to prop up the fading prestige of the dying old gay who stole his way into the fortune he used to buy power.
Verification not required.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Don't forget bestiality is legal and common in russia, and they are so okay with it that not only do the russians operate animal brothels, but animal brothels in other countries like serbia and hungary are owned and operated by russians, not locals.
I believe god guided putins hand to make him fuck up and destroy his own country.
Dogs can eat a vegan diet if you recreate the nutritional balance they would get from a carnivorous diet. Doable with basic research, takes a lot of effort. The average person is WAY too irresponsible and stupid to do this generally, but 90% of pet owners already treat their pets like shit as it is.
You're also spamming supplements and consuming more mass, often exotic mass if you're not spamming supplements. Herbivores mostly eat.
Dogs, cats, and humans are all primarily carnivorous and have the gut/tooth adaptations to match (you probably weren't aware but humans have sharper molars than other apes), but only cats will keel over and die if they don't eat meat. Humans, and dogs, simply get dumber and slower, but may live longer. This leads a lot of retards to think dogs and humans don't need to eat animal flesh. Bugs are animal flesh btw. And more in line with vegan goals than this plant bullshit.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vegans-eat-insects_n_6153476
6 months ago
Anonymous
wow i had no idea russia was so based, hope putin nukes the rest of europe
because if there is one animal I would never fuck it would have to be the disgusting PIG! glory to mother russia
6 months ago
Anonymous
A ukranian drone dropped a grenade on this poster shortly thereafter.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ukraine can no longer use drones because it doesn’t have a power grid to charge them with lol
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Unfortunately Krim was a senior dog with pre-existing conditions (heart trouble and a couple tumors) and he did not outlive his family by very long, succumbing to heart failure after a couple weeks in treatment for his Russian missile related injuries.
He said OTHERS, not "any animal". You see, carnivores have souls, and can be called others. Calling a grass muncher others is like referring to the rocks and trees with "you guys".
Woah. That's so based me and my vegan shit ourselves simultaneously. Before my dog could eat our shit I growled ferociously(for a vegan) at him and ate it instead. Tasted like garlic, green bell peppers, and rotten tofu. If I'm being totally honest with you it wasn't too bad. May do it again in the near future.
>i like all animals so all animals have souls
Your reasoning >everything suffers because it does ok and causing suffering is bad because it is ok
Most vegans “reasoning” >you must consume higher order life to develop a soul by digesting their lower spirit stuff and using it to grow your own
My reasoning
>b-but what about HUMAN DIETARY CHOICES
This is why vegans are insufferable cunts. It's like the idea of a natural food web causes your B12-deficient brains to break down.
Are you a canine nutritionist? Why would you force a diet on a dog that is not in tune with what it naturally eats, i.e., meat? Pretty convenient you'd hurt a dog just to validate your own ethics.
I don't make the rules, anon. People aren't gonna stop eating meat or drinking milk, they aren't bad people for doing so either. The only thing we can do is put pressure on greedy law makers and factory farms to force them to stop using abusive measures in order to save a couple bucks.
That and once cultured meat and dairy products become available, buying shittons of it and driving the traditional animal agriculture industry out of business.
Owning a pet isn't vegan either because when you point out that you can do eggs/dairy without hurting animals they say NOOOO YOU'RE DENYING THEM THEIR DIGNITY BY KEEPING THEM ENSLAVED FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES THEY ALL BELONG IN NATURE!
Of course none of their nonsensical morals apply to humans or human suffering. They're just the midwit version of the retarded kid who says "durr i dont like people they're mean and stupid, i just like my kitty cat". They take that to the "ethical consistency" extreme because the midwit lives and dies for ethical consistency. it makes them seem smart, they sumrise, because smart people can keep their beliefs straight, and predictable people are surely good. Horseshoe theory holds true however. As the retard can't keep his beliefs straight, the genius doesn't see the point in keeping them straight even if he could. Morals are tools for social manipulation. Personally following them is mostly just for show, especially when they concern things that do not benefit you when your relationships with other humans are removed from the equation.
This is where the smartest of the vegans come in. No. They aren't consistent at all. They're just doing it for clout.
While this is absolute bullshit, its important to remember that outliers always exist.
People can live to over 100 while smoking daily, it doesn't mean smoking is a good idea and that for the average person it kills you far earlier than you normally would have died.
I cannot because it was a dog who was killed by some chink, who botched it horribly. You could see the absolute betrayal wash over them in their final moments, as their head was beaten while their nose poured blood. Seeing that broke something inside me which has never and I'm sure will never heal. Of course I couldn't post that here, and of course I didn't save the webm, nor would I ever look for it or subject someone else to it.
obviously not, based on the description. are you retarded? The first hit from the shovel was not botched and there is no emotion possible left in the dogs brain.
It was botched. Those strikes just cause extreme pain and shock because the sinuses are destroyed but the brain is intact. But hey, chinks. They probably intended that. More chi power or something.
It's a video of a chinese guy using his bare fist to crush a dog's skull. The dog isn't quite stunned on the first hit, but he doesn't suffer too badly overall.
I'd shoot that chick's bitchass in the kneecap, that's what I'd do. I'd incapacitate him, and then I'd beat him with a fucking pistol grip until his teeth fell out his head.
I've seen it too, and actually dropped my phone once the blood poured out, I couldn't watch any further.
I'd shoot that chick's bitchass in the kneecap, that's what I'd do. I'd incapacitate him, and then I'd beat him with a fucking pistol grip until his teeth fell out his head.
Yes. It is. The last person to slaughter a bunch of dogs dealt with the surviving dogs attacking him and running away. The last person to do homekills in NZ had the cows stare at the gun as he went down the line. And with pigs, well, they immediately start eating each other.
Dogs share a niche and basic social structure/mode of thought with man to the point that even wild wolves can be cooperative partners with us. Pigs are automatic, in the zone, and entirely self serving. Let me tell you, a pig sees an obstacle and removes it without a single thought. To them it is the same experience as kicking a rock out of their way. A dog notes an obstacle and questions if they should remove it or see what someone else does about it. They're very human despite being in the same range of consciousness.
We selected our livestock and pets based on who we could muster respect for and which ones we saw as genuinely lesser and worth more dead. In india, due to weird religious bullshit and cows being more useful as working animals, they don't eat the cows. Surprise. But in the west we've known them to be little more than animals that hardly even care about their own deaths and use "cattle" to refer to unthinking people that can be led off a cliff one by one.
>they immediately start eating each other
pitbulls do this too
we really should be eating pitbulls, and yet china eats more normal dogs
how do we get the chinese to believe pitbull meat tastes better?
To be fair to the cows we bred them to be that stupid and aurochs probably had a sense of mortality before going extinct, pitbulls would eat their dead, and golden retrievers definitely wouldn't fight for their lives. I've only seen a select few wolf like breeds, sheepdogs, and dingoes/street mutts show any signs of life. Most dogs especially toy breeds are worse than pigs and it's no fucking wonder 99% of dog owners on Wauf have huskies and german shepherds.
Pigs are smarter than dogs in the same way chimps are smarter than you. The idea of a "higher form of consciousness" between animals with similar brain development is absurd when the pig and dog just specialize into different cognitive skills. Pigs have superior spatial intelligence and intra-species cooperation while dogs have vastly superior social and verbal intelligence and a kind of fucked up socialization process that predisposes them to interspecies cooperation. Everything past that is temperament. But by dogs I mean actual dogs, not the mutt-ants typically studied: beagles and retriever breeds.
Some dog breeds are definitely fucking worthless. They have 0 personality besides being hungry.
i think in china they simply do not care about animal welfare in the slightest, so something like that would go unpunished even with video evidence, which is probably why they felt comfortable recording it in the first place.
Y’all need to settle down in this thread. Things are getting heated in here and ain’t nobody been posting sad dogs. If you’re gonna argue about diets least you could do the rest of us non-retards a favor and post some fucking pictures we can look at while we ignore your posts. Pic is my dog a couple hours before we put her down.
Dogs can eat a vegan diet if you recreate the nutritional balance they would get from a carnivorous diet. Doable with basic research, takes a lot of effort. The average person is WAY too irresponsible and stupid to do this generally, but 90% of pet owners already treat their pets like shit as it is.
I am very sad
I'm so confused at why she PUREED everything. Dogs are born to chew hard things, not eat mush like we do.
pigs are as smart as dogs. i have known a border collie that passed the mirror test and could use mirrors to locate toys and people. but pigs are awful psychopaths by nature and dogs are more amicable. pigs may be smarter on average because there are few smart breeds and many dumb ones.
asking why you would eat one and spare the other is like asking why you'd expel the garden gnomes from london but not the scots. even if garden gnomes are smarter on average what good does that mere average that do us? the dumbest and smartest ones are equally detrimental to society.
basically, garden gnomes don't eat bacon because it's cannibalism
vegans die
I hate vegans
NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN DOGGO NOT POTENTIALLY MISFEEDING THE FREAKING PUPPERINO
THEY SHOULD BE BRUTALLY KILLING PIGS, AN ANIMAL WITH A FAR HIGHER FORM OF CONSCIOUSNESS, INSTEAD LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE
>THEY SHOULD BE BRUTALLY KILLING PIGS, AN ANIMAL WITH A FAR HIGHER FORM OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Enough of this soi-ence.
Pigs have fewer neurons in their cerebral cortex than a large dog and have never demonstrated cognitive feats in excess of a "brigher than average" (so not shitbull tier bred down into absolute retardation) dog. Like, ever. All science has observed is that the beagles they study don't look at shit or have any visual comprehension (from severe selective breeding) while pigs are more driven and visual. As someone with experience with both animals it goes like border collie > pig = husky = german shepherd > australian shepherd = rough collie = sheltie > other dogs > snails > any retriever or hound > any mastiff or shitbull-like dog.
Even if you were right rating the value of life by intelligence is absurd. I guess I can kill you because you're clearly a 112 IQ midwit and I'm a member of mensa.
Also, most importantly, pigs deserve it, and I think we should eat pitbulls too. Just not the good dogs.
You have to remember those pop sci articles hyperfocus on specific skills rather than the full set AKA the consciousness and will also say chimps are smarter than humans.
>There is no difference between killing for food and killing your pet through incompetence
Vegans shouldn't be allowed to own living things
>Higher form of conciousness
Why do vegans always sound like fruity weirdos with crystal fetishes?
Fairness is a retarded concept, you should treat things differently depending on how much you like them
Must be a record for how long an animal cruelty image has stayed up.
All animals deserve to not be abused. If someone wants to eat dog meat it's fine if they don't abuse the dog in any way and kill it humanely. People who say you can't kill a certain animal because they, personally, have had good experiences with it are incredibly tone deaf and retarded.
For those who will inevitably twist my words, no, I do not mean someone's literal pet.
You don't understand the effect eating human-like animals has on empathy. Especially animals that were selectively bred to have the greatest possible effect on a normal sense of empathy.
Ask yourself if chinese and korean psychopathy is genetic or cultural, when the peaceful multigenerational rich in these countries do not eat so much dog, or human, while the working poor who eat the most dog commit crimes against humanity at a rate that makes new york look civilized
You are a typical westerner trying not to step on feelings or say anything is wrong. Worrying about "ethical consistency" and not doing what is right, right now. Dog meat is a cultural disease.
>Worrying about "ethical consistency" and not doing what is right, right now
western culture in one sentence. dont forget the baizou think the "slippery slope" is fallacy as it plays out in front of their eyes, while criticizng china "human rights abuse" that stopped it from happening.
china is not without fault. people support dog meat just because the west does not like it and it is chinese. but if china will use dogs like this, china should get rid of all dogs and never have them again.
Its because deep down inside westerners know pigs are the same as dogs and lie about pigs to cope.
>they're dirty and stupid and...
Pigs are exactly as smart as dogs.
So they can't tell jackie chan to lay off the poodle while they are hedonistic bacon addicts that act more like egoists than anything else.
Jesus fucking christ and vegans wonder why people hate them.
These people need to be fucking killed.
I don't give a fuck if people eat dogs either. I only care about animals I know personally.
>100 posts
>only 8 posts with sad dog(<10%!)
>one of them looks like a bear
I don't a fuck if vegans don't want to eat animal product, my issue is when they get a carnivore pet and force your lifestyle on them, they're fucking animals and your moral values don't fucking apply to them
I give a fuck if vegans are stupid enough to equate pigs with dogs
The utility difference alone is glaringly obvious even if you don't believe any life has value. As an analogy: pig eaters are making modest gains on the stock market, dog eaters are steadily gambling away their money in the options market.
>WE'RE TELLING YOU WE THINK ALL LIFE IS HECKIN PRECIOUS CHUD
Ok but only human life is. t. chinese.
veganism is a mindset based entirely on personal morality, they could not give less of a shit about how much someone makes based on certain meats
I know this is bait and I highly disagree with both situations but while animals like pigs are so wide spread and in such high demand it's alot harder to just suddenly jump in and change their mind, Dogs are only affected with this In like 3 little sections of the world so its theoretically easier to change.
But both make me so upset I want to cry And I just can't stand how fucked up life is. It's not humans that are evil its fucking everything that's evil.
The chimps that rip monkeys limb from limb while they're Alive, The lions that eat and disembowl live gazelle. The dolphins that rape fish to death and the birds that eat the brains of other live birds. The plants that suck the water and nutirents out of another. Life itself is just nothing but hurting the thing next to you to survive and its just not fair. But nothing you do is gonna fix it. It's always going to be like that. You can think killing yourself will make things better but the world will keep on going. People will be forced to starve, Pigs abused, Forests leveled, Bacteria massacred, Whatever. The best thing you can do is just try to help those around you. Adopt a rescued pig, Donate to a family in need. Help a bird with a broken wing. Just try to live as best you can.
>wolves get turned into prey
>they still like meat
>democratic breeds prey humans
>they are often complete vegans
>herbivores don't have soul-*ACK*
nothing can be proven to have a soul sorry
cope, a deer just showed your ass up and your only response is
>*snivel snivel* *snarf* uuuhhm sorry i downt have ay responsch *snarf snarf* *snivel* *tips glasses*
>NOOOO I'M LE RIGHT
>gets btfo
>ummm achkshually you can't prove anything sweaty. wubba lubba dub dub
embarrassing
dogs aren't good meat in the first place though.
people eat them out of necessity not because they're useful as livestock.
What's dog taste like?
like an animal that eats its own shit.
So... uh... bad?
Huskies don’t, so chinks prefer to eat those ones. They also believe they will absorb the ability to beat a pitbull in a dogfight.
I will eat pigs and I will eat dogs, meat is meat, seethe and cope
>sprouted tofu
bro, DAS MOLD
no animal synthetise cellulases to begin with
>basedjak
it was bait from the start and people bought into it anyway
huh? i typed onions not based
Little do you know, we actually turn unwanted dogs into food. For other animals. We also do the same to euthanized excess cats, horses, birds, diseased/dead livestock being disposed of, etc. If it's a shelter or the owner surrenders the body for disposal they are sent to rendering plants. This is what generic "meat meal"/"protein meal", "bone meal", with no species designation, is actually made of.
But we don't breed dogs or cats for that. Because carnivore meat is low quality, we know accepting them as a food source is a slippery slope leading to desensitization to mistreating humans because domestic carnivores are more human-like in practice than most other animals (we literally bred them to be), and a dog eats a pound of meat a day and turns into 15 pounds of meat a year later. People who accept eating dogs and cats are more likely to mistreat other humans. People who abhor the idea can be empathetic to a fault, if the fault is only in 4chanfag terms. I see hardcore racists as people more likely to eat dog for this reason.
>Because carnivore meat is low quality
dud most fishes eaten are fish eaters as well
You could call an insectivore a carnivore as well, technically, but they're not eating "animal" flesh in normal jargon, despite taxonomy. When I say carnivore I am using laymans terms, not biologists terms. Things that eat birds and mammals that are more complex and expensive to grow. They eat things that are also food to us, so they are consolidating a lot of readily available food into... less food. Most people do not think of fish and bugs as meat because they are so simple it's the value equivalent of a wiggly plant and the way they consolidate resources from lower trophic levels still saves us energy. A medium sized fish that eats much smaller fish is just like a cheap chicken that eats grubs, it's consolidating something that would be energy intensive to gather.
Meat is meat if you are a starving retard that is either extremely unlucky or too stupid to survive without extensive support. This is why there is a stigma associated with eating certain animals. For most of us, meat is the payoff of an investment. If you receive less value than you invest, it is not good meat, and you are stupid. In the long term you are throwing away food. This is why any country affected by the subsidized feed-meat complex is on the fast track to environmental and food stability implosion, and why socially advanced chinese are rapidly moving away from eating things like dogs and cats.
Low tier: All or nothing virtue morality - "life is life, either taking it is wrong or it isn't! consistency is the ultimate virtue, predictable monkey good! easy to deal with! everyone like predictable monkey!"
Virtue is the mark of the retard. If you haven't evolved past this you are a lower form of life incapable of logical action.
High tier: Selfish value judgements. The only true moral is "i want to be alive so therefore I will do things conducive to my survival". The question then is of efficiency. Throwing away food for pleasure or superstition is a bad idea.
dangerously based and WEF pilled
i wonder what is the efficiency of pets? i suppose they're cheaper in the long run than lonely norps organizing and overthrowing the regime, creating hard times because they thought they knew what was best for them better than their objective superiors. we mostly feed our pets reprocessed waste that isn't considered human grade unless you want three different cancers by age 30, after all.
reproductive rate limiters + social over-organization inhibitors
they temper the primitive tribesman aspects of human nature
and exemplify how the west advances ahead of others
2 high quality, well educated children and a variety of pets to sate the mindless monke "must fuck must reprodooce" instinct > 8 welfare goblins
10 close friends, a dog, and a cat > a mob of loosely associated "compadres"
>t.
I would also like to post a picture, thank you for including me
Your arguments are compelling. Eating ze bugs and living in pods is a valid way of stabilizing us while we figure out how to pivot out of the growth worship economic mindset. I don't think humanity will take this route though. I think we'll continue to turn food into less food and pump valuable resources into landfill at a cataclysmic scale until the wheels fall off and we finally decimate population and industry through all out war. Maybe the remainder will finally realize that global population control is the only real way to avoid such atrocities.
>Eating ze bugs and living in pods is a valid way of stabilizing us while we figure out how to pivot out of the growth worship economic mindset
>We
Who is this "we" you speak of? Growth rates in places where (for brevity) "eat ze bugs" is being pushed - like Europe, Japan, South Korea, etc. - are leveling off or even falling below replacement with no signs that things are going to change any time soon; meanwhile the average fertility rate in SSA is something like 6 with places like SEAsia and Latin America not quite as high but still well into "problem" territory from the perspective of global sustainability.
Those places don't live in a vacuum. They depends on ever more markets for their crap, ever more slave labor in poorer and less scrupulous countries. Consider that sterile, stable bug eating and pod living would actually be a huge upgrade for billions of humans and you'll understand where the growth is coming from even when raw population numbers stabilize. A massive contributor to economic positivity in the last 20 years was the rise of quality of life in China, but the world cannot suffer an American style of life for even a billion of the 1.5 billion Chinese. So for a while, as they reach just a modest, barely out of poverty average lifestyle, there has been big talk about the "next China". Many eyes have been on Africa, which would be a wonderful mass slave market for a few more decades of the status quo. I doubt it would happen though. Too many social problems are in the way. We're grinding to a halt, the ponzi is breaking. All those Chinese who were promised continued growth are starting to feel regression, and they're pissed.
cringe emotional nonthinking westoid oversocialized on talking animal cartoons
based rational thinker
this is the difference between lowly w*stoids and tier 1 city chinese. logic. there reason american portray vulcan from star trek as looking like chinese man.
>All animals lives have the same value
Impressively retarded assumption. Not everyone shares your fucktarded hindu-esque morals. If the chinks were eating shitbulls I wouldn't care at all. Any way you can exterminate those subcanines is better than doing nothing about them. However, those things in the cage appear to be good dogs, worth more alive than dead. It's a waste to breed them or allow them to breed if you don't need them alive because dogs consume more resources than they are, so if they are not a resource when alive it is a waste of food. Minimally fit behavior, if you will.
>BUT PIGS ARE AT LEAST AS SMART!
So? Intelligence doesn't determine value. Many prolific human-killers were quite intelligent, but we still executed them, because their intelligence was irrelevant when their nature was to be a detriment to the group. Pigs are totally useless in nearly every aspect, outdone by even cats. Their primary function is getting comically large eating food as low quality as literal sewage. More useful calories out than useful calories in, you know?
Feeding them corn then is disordered - minimally fit behavior. caused by socialists subsidizing certain agricultural sectors. But that's not an issue inherent to pigs, pigs are just along for the ride.
based samefag
>my entire personality is edgelord
Lame, I miss when this board wasn't just 4chan but furgay.
that's basically the whole website now
Animals are just... animals. This isn't edgy. It's how every single man, woman, and child has thought for the past 2 million years. Veganism is the edgy shit, you retard.
>The world is evil, everyone is evil, you are all demons, animals are secretly the same as people.
Edgy. Yes. Everyone is evil. You're a free thinker and the only good person.
Animals are just animals. They have limited value. The value of animals varies. A cow will never be anything but a cow. It can pull a cart, or eat grass and be food. Oh, but it suffers! Does it? Did you ask it? Did the cow write a poem? Can you prove a cow has qualia or are you just guessing? What good is there in being good to the cow? What's accomplished? You're just a hungry gay chowing down on a massive plate of imported out of season greens and supplements who will start making concessions as soon as a bad year for the food supply hits.
Humans are humans. They have near limitless value and represent 1/4 to 1/2 of a lifetime invested...from multiple people, each. A human can be anything. And we can, provably, suffer. You can suffer. I can suffer. You know this because we have nearly identical brains and bodies. We can speak to each other and agree that we suffer. And even if i'm a robot, as a human I have limitless value and represent such a massive investment that there is no rational reason to terminate me - or you - unless it is absolutely essential to survival and either one of us makes it or neither of us do.
This isn't edgy, this is life. This is how every single fucking man, woman, and child thinks and has thought for the past 2 million years and deviances only occur where children are raised on talking animal cartoons and odd religions that yammer on about every bug being a reincarnated human who stepped on too many bugs.
the real value of veganism depends on other people being vegan, and being able to convince yourself you're better than non-vegans.
>be nice to the cow or we won't like you
that's it really, it's based on shaming non-vegans and calling them bad and congratulating vegans and calling them good. they have no spiritual or material system like jains or top tier chinamen, it's based on a virtue contest.
so the biggest accomplishment of veganism is telling other people you're vegan.
once veganism progresses to not eating certain plants because of the bugs associated with them you'll see it get ridiculous.
>needlessly aggressive
>chinks
>subcanines
I think this sort of stuff is why you were called an edgelord although your views on the value of life are also incredibly callous and contribute to that as well
also
>Oh, but it suffers! Does it? Did you ask it?
>We can speak to each other and agree that we suffer.
these two statements kinda suggest a lack of empathy which may be contributing to your mindset
I eat meat btw
I have empathy for people. This applies roughly to sufficiently cute dogs because they look and act sort of like people. I consciously override that for dangerous ones because I have so much empathy for people that I will gladly take a million dog lives to save a retarded hobo. I don't have empathy for cows at all. Their eyes poke out sideways and all they do is pull carts and eat grass. They are not my people, and they are not useful to my people. My "empathy" for a cow is limited to empathy for a person who likes that particular cow.
>nooo you can't use that word for lachinx!
Casual racism between equally privileged races is called banter.
fair enough
that viewpoint comes across a lot better when you aren't being racist and calling people retarded
>Casual racism between equally privileged races is called banter.
I have to assume you're american or fresh from 4chan because that really isn't what banter means
Yeah I'm american, that's why I can call my black friends moron when the ladies aren't around.
Those are pretty much the same views on the value of life that nearly every person outside of the highly developed west holds, largely due to actually interacting with the animals they eat from an early age instead of idealized representations of them in media, seeing the good and the bad and knowing what they are really like. you know: man - invaluable, animals - price negotiable.
are you saying that people outside of the highly developed west have no empathy? maybe they just have a more accurate view on the value of life due to being more experienced with it.
>developed west with its ivory towers:
>save EVERY pupper! they are all SENTIENT BEINGS and have a right to exist because they have FEELINGS!
>no, destroy every dog, it's called consistency...peon. are dogs bad, or are dogs good? make up your mind.
>the rest of the world:
>Spare the well behaved pet dogs, but kill every stray and aggressive animal. The risk to our community is too great. We can not risk a single child dying. These roaming and aggressive animals contribute nothing we need and much we don't. We've lost too many people already.
I guarantee you a lot of those illiterate poor chinese who eat dogs have absolutely nothing but bad experiences with them and part of it comes from hate. It's still a massive folly to eat them, when they're reaching the point of stealing pets for dog meat festivals, turning meat into less meat by dog farming, and have attached spiritual delusions to it. The higher class chinese who abide by it have those feelings come from a place of empathy and shame, because they don't want to be mean to other people, especially when it's a "western value" that their government is always railing against. But it is still folly, because it holds the whole of their people back. If the dogs are not to be used alive don't have dogs at all.
I literally said your viewpoint is fair when you present it in a less standoffish way
>are you saying that people outside of the highly developed west have no empathy?
no, my thoughts about lack of empathy came from your statements about needing to be told that somebody or something is suffering while to a regular person that should be plainly apparent regardless
>interacting with the animals they eat from an early age
I grew up on a farm but my personal opinion is that it's stupid to get all up in arms about somebody deciding to eat a species of animal you like
meat is meat and value is subjective, if people want to eat their dogs then that is fine by me, provided the animals aren't subjected to inhumane conditions before becoming food and aren't being stolen
much like how the meat I eat comes from farms and not factories
>Yeah I'm american, that's why I can call my black friends moron when the ladies aren't around.
that is more akin to banter since you're directly interacting with the target of the joking casual racism
you're taking the piss with your mates which is exactly what banter should be, not randomly calling a third party "chinks" while talking to strangers
It shouldn't be plainly apparent that a dumb animal is suffering unless you'r convinced of an imaginary secret world. It's unprovable if it is.
It's less about liking dogs and more about the societal effects of eating dogs.
>Massive waste of resources, low quality and contaminated meat (for this reason, the whole dog is rendered into meal and used for animal feed)
>Direct confrontation of the reality of eating an inherently human-like animal counter-conditions people against feeling empathy for others. The dog/cat abuse to crime pipeline is a proven facet of human nature. Most livestock are selected for being neutral or easy to dislike and very inhuman. Dog eating cultures have to cope with borderline psychotic dog hate because they are so human-like.
Like pig eating cultures do. Because they are so human-like.
Whether or not the dogs actually suffer these remain true. Surely you could humanely farm voluntary humans for slaughter at a prime age if it's just suffering that matters right? That wouldn't affect peoples psyche or be a massive waste we don't need at all.
the amount of hate and myths directed at pigs shows it. you don't need to make things up about chickens to not care about what happens to a chicken, but people are desperate to portray pigs as the icon of sin even if they like basically similar animals like canines and felines.
all pigs are is less cooperative and much bigger. and the defenses are chinese dog meat tier
>bacon is a food for MEN, eating it makes me MANLY
>cry more! still eating it! seethe, (other ethnicity)!
>pigs can attack people you know... maybe they deserve it....
coincidentally cultures that outright forbid eating pork also forbid eating dogs and cats.
it's generally pretty easy to tell if an animal is suffering, I don't understand what you mean by that
>Massive waste of resources, low quality and contaminated meat (for this reason, the whole dog is rendered into meal and used for animal feed)
I agree it is incredibly impractical to eat dogs over any kind of herbivore
>Most livestock are selected for being neutral or easy to dislike and very inhuman
I don't think that's true, we just eat what's easy to control, easy to feed and produces a lot of meat
>Surely you could humanely farm voluntary humans for slaughter at a prime age if it's just suffering that matters right?
you could but it would be very inefficient, cause all sorts of moral dilemmas to arise and bring all the illnesses that come with cannibalism
>it's generally pretty easy to tell if an animal is suffering, I don't understand what you mean by that
You can't tell they're suffering because you can't tell they're self aware. It's just a distress call that evolved to get the rest to scatter. Kin selection.
>I agree it is incredibly impractical to eat dogs over any kind of herbivore
It is, and psychologically damaging because of their inherently human nature which we have enhanced.
>I don't think that's true, we just eat what's easy to control, easy to feed and produces a lot of meat
Largely. And then you have pigs, which don't really fill a niche you can't fill with (more efficient chickens), are really a lot like dogs and people, so need a lot of myths built around them about how they are dirty and evil, and are bordering on TCM tier bullshit as food.
>you could but it would be very inefficient, cause all sorts of moral dilemmas to arise and bring all the illnesses that come with cannibalism
Which points out why eating human-like animals is bad for society as well. If you know what a dog is really like and have empathy you know that it triggers your sense of empathy and accepting it as mere food would damage your sense of empathy. Mind you these animals tend to be loaded with parasites. Like us.
Get to know a chicken or cow, it doesn't do much. They're very simple. You can often line them up and kill them in front of each other without much of a reaction. Get to know a pig, it's a dog, man.
You overestimate the value of a human.
We’re vastly oversupplied on ourselves, and you’re worth basically nothing to me.
>human: humans are worthless!
>get killed by other humans
>Humans are humans. They have near limitless value
Wrong.
>there is no rational reason to terminate me
YOU have no value to me.
things people say before being thrown in a pit by the rest of the tribe
>the tribe
Lel delusional cope. There is no tribe. No else actually gives a fuck about you beyond your family.
Projection, retardation. Very important values to posters on Wauf.
I didnt ask for your life story as a minority, retard.
But by that logic we should be eating Wauf users!
looks more indifferent than anything
Unfortunately Krim was a senior dog with pre-existing conditions (heart trouble and a couple tumors) and he did not outlive his family by very long, succumbing to heart failure after a couple weeks in treatment for his Russian missile related injuries.
Fuck Russia, but pack the fucking propaganda up.
>Propaganda
The meme text in
is propaganda since the dog doesn’t understand the war, certainly, but Crim surviving the air strike that killed his family and dying about a month later is verifiable and not propaganda. And he’s certainly a very miserable looking dog.
shut the fuck up, retarded glowmoron
nobody cares about your fake banker wars for satan, God will fucking destroy you all
I understand that the ongoing humiliation of Russia must be hard for schizophrenic losers who thought 'le based strongman' was actually going to defeat the imaginary overlords that prevent them from succeeding as men and this would make their lives better after some indeterminate intermediate step, but if God's going to strike down any nation, it's going to be the abortion and divorce capital of the world, where administrative male rape is a normal part of military and civil discipline and the state sponsored satanic mockery of the mother church is lead by a man who made billions of dollars with a liquor distribution monopoly and was trained in the priesthood by atheistic communist intelligence agents and not fellow priests in the true apostolic line of succession. Not their smaller, poorer, less degenerate neighbor that was invaded on false pretexts in order to prop up the fading prestige of the dying old gay who stole his way into the fortune he used to buy power.
Verification not required.
Don't forget bestiality is legal and common in russia, and they are so okay with it that not only do the russians operate animal brothels, but animal brothels in other countries like serbia and hungary are owned and operated by russians, not locals.
I believe god guided putins hand to make him fuck up and destroy his own country.
You're also spamming supplements and consuming more mass, often exotic mass if you're not spamming supplements. Herbivores mostly eat.
Dogs, cats, and humans are all primarily carnivorous and have the gut/tooth adaptations to match (you probably weren't aware but humans have sharper molars than other apes), but only cats will keel over and die if they don't eat meat. Humans, and dogs, simply get dumber and slower, but may live longer. This leads a lot of retards to think dogs and humans don't need to eat animal flesh. Bugs are animal flesh btw. And more in line with vegan goals than this plant bullshit.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vegans-eat-insects_n_6153476
wow i had no idea russia was so based, hope putin nukes the rest of europe
because if there is one animal I would never fuck it would have to be the disgusting PIG! glory to mother russia
A ukranian drone dropped a grenade on this poster shortly thereafter.
Ukraine can no longer use drones because it doesn’t have a power grid to charge them with lol
Could you not?
This really makes me hate vegans. Anyone that forces their ideology and lifestyle onto others really
Like how carnists force animals to die in gass chambers and force calves to be taken from their mothers?
He said OTHERS, not "any animal". You see, carnivores have souls, and can be called others. Calling a grass muncher others is like referring to the rocks and trees with "you guys".
t. Carnist chad
Woah. That's so based me and my vegan shit ourselves simultaneously. Before my dog could eat our shit I growled ferociously(for a vegan) at him and ate it instead. Tasted like garlic, green bell peppers, and rotten tofu. If I'm being totally honest with you it wasn't too bad. May do it again in the near future.
>You see, [animals i like] have souls, and can be called others
major corpsemuncher cope
>i like all animals so all animals have souls
Your reasoning
>everything suffers because it does ok and causing suffering is bad because it is ok
Most vegans “reasoning”
>you must consume higher order life to develop a soul by digesting their lower spirit stuff and using it to grow your own
My reasoning
I respect and will not eat a carnivorous horse
So? They're animals without concept social structures.
>b-but what about HUMAN DIETARY CHOICES
This is why vegans are insufferable cunts. It's like the idea of a natural food web causes your B12-deficient brains to break down.
Plants and fish are sentient and fish even feel pain so why don't you eat metals?
Metals have higher IQ than a vegan
metal guys tend to be tall, but i have seen at least 1 that was a manlet
Not true. Fish do not feel pain. Plants, however, do.
I literally just cooked this steak while browsing Wauf, and I'll have another for dinner just to make up for (you) personally.
based steak enjoyer
cringe indoor shoe wearer
I cooked it outside in cast iron. I'm now wearing my steak-eating socks.
Cringe barefoot waste-transporters
Why do you wear shoes inside?
Just don't force a vegan diet on dogs because it severely hurts them. If you can't do that you shouldn't have pets.
Are you a canine nutritionist? You don't know if it does or not. You say it hurts dogs to validate your own ethics. You disgust me.
>canine nutritionist
It's me canine nutritionist, he is correct. Dog microbiology no very good on supplements and vegetables
Are you a canine nutritionist? Why would you force a diet on a dog that is not in tune with what it naturally eats, i.e., meat? Pretty convenient you'd hurt a dog just to validate your own ethics.
You can really taste the suffering!
>force calves to be taken from their mothers
Veal is delicious.
Unironically disgusting.
I don't make the rules, anon. People aren't gonna stop eating meat or drinking milk, they aren't bad people for doing so either. The only thing we can do is put pressure on greedy law makers and factory farms to force them to stop using abusive measures in order to save a couple bucks.
That and once cultured meat and dairy products become available, buying shittons of it and driving the traditional animal agriculture industry out of business.
I eat meat
My snakes eat meat
Snakes are sacred animals, are you saying I shouldn't be like snake?
You should be like snake.
I am here to help you cut off the remaining arm once you dismember what you can.
Mistreating animals by forcing them to eat plant-based against their will isn't vegan.
If honey isn't vegan, feeding a carni/omni pet a plant-based diet sure as fuck isn't vegan either.
Get a gerbil or a bunny if you must own a pet but can't bear to treat it right because muh ideology
Owning a pet isn't vegan either because when you point out that you can do eggs/dairy without hurting animals they say NOOOO YOU'RE DENYING THEM THEIR DIGNITY BY KEEPING THEM ENSLAVED FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES THEY ALL BELONG IN NATURE!
Of course none of their nonsensical morals apply to humans or human suffering. They're just the midwit version of the retarded kid who says "durr i dont like people they're mean and stupid, i just like my kitty cat". They take that to the "ethical consistency" extreme because the midwit lives and dies for ethical consistency. it makes them seem smart, they sumrise, because smart people can keep their beliefs straight, and predictable people are surely good. Horseshoe theory holds true however. As the retard can't keep his beliefs straight, the genius doesn't see the point in keeping them straight even if he could. Morals are tools for social manipulation. Personally following them is mostly just for show, especially when they concern things that do not benefit you when your relationships with other humans are removed from the equation.
This is where the smartest of the vegans come in. No. They aren't consistent at all. They're just doing it for clout.
Today I will remind them
This dog was documented escaping frequently and coming back smelling like fish
It was running away and eating meat.
While this is absolute bullshit, its important to remember that outliers always exist.
People can live to over 100 while smoking daily, it doesn't mean smoking is a good idea and that for the average person it kills you far earlier than you normally would have died.
>anon posts an unsourced image shit
>another anon posts another unsourced piece of shit
>another anon agrees with said piece of shit
pottery
Underground Azerbaijani pottery making forum
https://web.archive.org/web/20220805012722/https://v-dog.com/blogs/v-dog-blog/bramble-the-collies-secrets-to-living-to-age-25
lol
Wait, the world record is 25?
My cousins had a dog that made it to 26 or some insane number. Definitely higher than 25
>fanatic vegan activist insists her dog totally ate only vegan food which was the secret to the longevity
pffft
I cannot because it was a dog who was killed by some chink, who botched it horribly. You could see the absolute betrayal wash over them in their final moments, as their head was beaten while their nose poured blood. Seeing that broke something inside me which has never and I'm sure will never heal. Of course I couldn't post that here, and of course I didn't save the webm, nor would I ever look for it or subject someone else to it.
Anyway pic related is a close second.
I've seen it too, and actually dropped my phone once the blood poured out, I couldn't watch any further.
is this about shovel dog?
obviously not, based on the description. are you retarded? The first hit from the shovel was not botched and there is no emotion possible left in the dogs brain.
It was botched. Those strikes just cause extreme pain and shock because the sinuses are destroyed but the brain is intact. But hey, chinks. They probably intended that. More chi power or something.
When i shoot an animal in the brain the body freaks out and wiggles/jumps. A shovel to the skull nice and hard doesnt just destroy the sinuses.
It's a video of a chinese guy using his bare fist to crush a dog's skull. The dog isn't quite stunned on the first hit, but he doesn't suffer too badly overall.
I'd shoot that chick's bitchass in the kneecap, that's what I'd do. I'd incapacitate him, and then I'd beat him with a fucking pistol grip until his teeth fell out his head.
Chink*
A fellow retard?
what was the purpose of killing the dog?
Dark chi power make penis grow into big penis.
because they're fucking chinks, I think that webm/video is old af, I always wonder if there has been any repercussions to those gays.
Have you seen them slaughter dolphins and shit, they're bugs.
>But slaughtering pigs and cows is okay
Yes. It is. The last person to slaughter a bunch of dogs dealt with the surviving dogs attacking him and running away. The last person to do homekills in NZ had the cows stare at the gun as he went down the line. And with pigs, well, they immediately start eating each other.
Dogs share a niche and basic social structure/mode of thought with man to the point that even wild wolves can be cooperative partners with us. Pigs are automatic, in the zone, and entirely self serving. Let me tell you, a pig sees an obstacle and removes it without a single thought. To them it is the same experience as kicking a rock out of their way. A dog notes an obstacle and questions if they should remove it or see what someone else does about it. They're very human despite being in the same range of consciousness.
We selected our livestock and pets based on who we could muster respect for and which ones we saw as genuinely lesser and worth more dead. In india, due to weird religious bullshit and cows being more useful as working animals, they don't eat the cows. Surprise. But in the west we've known them to be little more than animals that hardly even care about their own deaths and use "cattle" to refer to unthinking people that can be led off a cliff one by one.
>they immediately start eating each other
pitbulls do this too
we really should be eating pitbulls, and yet china eats more normal dogs
how do we get the chinese to believe pitbull meat tastes better?
To be fair to the cows we bred them to be that stupid and aurochs probably had a sense of mortality before going extinct, pitbulls would eat their dead, and golden retrievers definitely wouldn't fight for their lives. I've only seen a select few wolf like breeds, sheepdogs, and dingoes/street mutts show any signs of life. Most dogs especially toy breeds are worse than pigs and it's no fucking wonder 99% of dog owners on Wauf have huskies and german shepherds.
Pigs are actually smarter than dogs.
Pigs are smarter than dogs in the same way chimps are smarter than you. The idea of a "higher form of consciousness" between animals with similar brain development is absurd when the pig and dog just specialize into different cognitive skills. Pigs have superior spatial intelligence and intra-species cooperation while dogs have vastly superior social and verbal intelligence and a kind of fucked up socialization process that predisposes them to interspecies cooperation. Everything past that is temperament. But by dogs I mean actual dogs, not the mutt-ants typically studied: beagles and retriever breeds.
Some dog breeds are definitely fucking worthless. They have 0 personality besides being hungry.
i think in china they simply do not care about animal welfare in the slightest, so something like that would go unpunished even with video evidence, which is probably why they felt comfortable recording it in the first place.
he got stcuk
2 much huney