If you aren't vegan, you're a hypocrite. Posted on July 5, 2022 by Anonymous If you aren't vegan, you're a hypocrite.
Theres no contradiction in using animals as food or emotional relief
>Carnivores got btfo.
>About to eat meat and cheese
i simply dont believe anything is worth keeping around but pale humans and wolf like dogs and i would absolutely eat a golden retriever
>too soft to eat another animal
if you dont feed your cats a vegan diet, you're a hypocrite
If you feed your cat a vegan diet, you're a criminal.
>wah my cat is le sick
think about the animals it would be eating
>you're a hypocrite.
Yes. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't understand why so many people get triggered by that word. Just accept it. It's not a bad thing. I'd rather be a hypocrite than a vegan.
Vegans only exist because their carnivorous society's prosperity.
You could be stuck in China as a sustenance farmer, and you would absolutely eat a fucking dog if that was your lot in life.
On the contrary, I only like omnivorous animals.
That would imply that I pretend to care about the well being of all animals.
I really don't.
All I care about is caring for my pets and maybe preserving the ecosystem as much as we can.
This is why I favor quality local meat to share with my dogs while the poor eats ground insects just like back in our ape days.
I want meat to be a luxury again.
>ITT: retards forgetting that animals eat crops
Animals eat the bits of crops that humans dont.
If no one ate animals the amount of crops needed to support the remaining humans would go up, not down, and there'd be nothing around to eat the shit bits humans dont want.
Silly ignorant child. They’d grind up the scraps and make us eat them. Probably use bugs for the binder. And remember: you WILL be happy
Inb4 some retard says we feed cows corn
Yes government subsidies make that cheaper than feeding them hay. It’s not the correct arrangement or a cow problem. It’s an americans eating too much beef and growing too much corn problem.
75% of global soya production is used for animal feed, so is 50% of US corn production
Because of subsidies and overproduction of meat. That doesnt mean stop eating meat, it means dont eat meat fed corn and onions and fuck communists and their subsidies.
>overproduction of meat
What are you even talking about anymore
reality. commercialized agriculture grows too much fucking meat so the amount of animals being grown for harvest exceeds the amount of normal feed we would use otherwise (things not suitable for humans, land not suitable for agriculture).
on average people eat 7-10x more meat than their bodies require.
>than their bodies require
Very talmudic phrasing. “Excessive” meat consumption is healthy for brain, muscle, and bone growth. The only way you can eat “too much” meat is if you’re taking in more calories than you burn, but that’s not unique to meat.
There is a point where your body stops processing it for nutrients and you just get fat (=estrogen production) and have greasy shits unless you down fiber pills. This is also the point where most people sit. It also heavily depends on which meat you're eating. You can consume far more fish than you can cow.
>eat 5000 calories in a day with no exercise
>”this is the fault of meat”
>The only way you can eat “too much” meat is if you’re taking in more calories than you burn
How idiotic, did you just drop out of school? The way you eat too much of something is if it gets you sick and excess of meat will ruin your liver and kidneys.
What a dumbass kek
I guess you never heard of mal de caribou, or rabbit starvation. It's when you eat too much meat and it can fucking kill you.
Here's an ancient account of Roman soldiers fucking dying because they ended up eating too much meat
>strange terror in the Roman camp. Their soldiers were sick from watching and want of sleep, and because of the unaccustomed food which the country afforded. They had no wine, no salt, no vinegar, no oil, but lived on wheat and barley, and quantities of venison and rabbits' flesh boiled without salt, which caused dysentery, from which many died.
And for the record, I do in fact eat meat, but I eat more plants than meat on any given day.
You don't stop eating meat just to avoid killing le cute innocent animals, you also do it to reduce water waste.
Waste is a non issue of scale. The real problem is too many humans. The earth can only really handle all the whites in europe before concessions are made - freedom, environmental destruction, etc. it’s time for man to admit that reproduction is not a right.
Sure but go tell that to the thirld world countries too. The poorer they are, the more they reproduce.
We have been able to solve that since at least the 1920
Of course we could just… not give them food.
Lul most livestock can live off natural rainfall and rivers. Crops use far more water. Plus, ever heard of the Water Cycle? Every drop you use ends up back in the Cycle and used again somewhere else.
>b-but muh draining Lake Mead!!!
It’s because California is siphoning off all the water west of the Rockies to keep their almonds and winegrapes alive in a bloody desert
What's the issue, I don't eat the animals I actually like.
>forgetting trillions of insects, birds, and small mammals are genocided yearly to protect crops
Stop being a weak gay afraid of death.
>it’s okay to kill animals if I don’t personally find them cute
Yeah it's okay since they are not valued
That's why it's okay to abort downies
>bees and crows have no value
>wait, why the hell are plants no longer pollinated?
>forgetting that farm animals consume crops
I'm vegetarian because I love food too much, I can't refrain from eating eggs and cheese.
you can love animals and eat them too. it's how i'm still on such good terms with your mother, OP.
No my morals when it comes to eating animals is pretty consistent.
>morally eating any animal is fine
>the things that make it not okay to eat some animals are purely practical
>for example i would not eat a cat because cats have not been farmed for their meat
>therefore there is very little meat on cats ontop of the fact unless the cat is mine i do not know what medicine they're on/what poison they've ingested
>and I don't want to eat my cat because the emotional toll isnt worth the very little meat
>This logic can be extended to dogs too.
Fuck you ARAs. My logic is tight and sound.
How many generations of selective breeding would you need to be comfortable with eating "domesticated" humans?
Idk. Enough to make them more animal-like than human like.
How many generations did your family go through to make you a mindless trend-follower? Your ancestors would be ashamed.
Enough to make it so I don't get fucking prion diseases. Cannibalism is more than just morally wrong.
Threads like these were unironically a big part of why I went vegan because the meat-eater cope is actually laughable and I was embarrassed to be on their side
Don't think I've ever heard a logically sound argument from that side
>Wauf made me vegan
Dangerously based and redpilled. Also checked.
There are microscopic animals in this glass of water. Therefore, a vegan who drinks it is a hypocrite. It seems that deontological veganism is impossible.
HuRr DuRr "you're trying to get fit but yesterday you chilled on sofa with chips instead of working out". Not being perfect != being a hypocrite, get a better dictionary.
Also animals incapable of thinking are not generally a concern for vegans (so single cellular "animals", mushrooms etc are ok).
by the same metric something for which consciousness has not been definitively proven suffers so too does a plant and a protozoa.
>Also animals incapable of thinking are not generally a concern for vegans
there's no compelling evidence that things without a brain can suffer
>If you aren't vegan, you're a hypocrite.
also, if you ARE vegan you're a hypocrite
you're a hypocrite either way.
virtually everyone is de facto a hypocrite, but being a hypocrite isn't tautologically the case
even then, some hypocrisies are more hypocritical than others
>some hypocrisies are more hypocritical than others
how do you even measure that?
the number of hypocritical behaviors?
the temporal distribution of hypocritical behaviors?
the extent to which the hypocritical behavior deviates from a stated value?
the extent to which the stated value has an emotional affect on you?
some combination of these or other criteria?
just curious how morons make judgements.
you can compare some forms of hypocrisy with each other, hence my original wording of "some"
I agree that in general "degree of hypocrisy" is undefined
>you can compare some forms of hypocrisy with each other,
one is in the case when it's clear that the object of the value judgment is numerical. that may still allow for disagreement, but if the value judgment encapsulates comparability of hypocrisy, it follows that instances are comparable (both sides agree to the sense)
When you were in your mothers womb, you basically ate her to grow, in a sense, then she fed you her milk when you were born. This is completely natural. But somehow eating chicken eggs and drinking milk is bad in your mind.
Serious response this time: it's a popular misconception that veganism is about diet (like vegetarianism). So feeding on your mom, mother's milk, big tiddy goth gf's milk, eating a roadkill straight from the street, killing a shitbull in self-defense and slurping it's brain, grilling family pet that died of old age for barbeque are all technically vegan. Not very appealing but vegan.
>it's a popular misconception that veganism is about diet
okay then what is it about?
Manufacturing a sense of superiority when you have absolutely nothing else going for you.
Like wearing a fedora, carrying a revolver, or studying archaic japanese swordplay instead of fencing.
Generally a philosophy or whatever, with a goal of not hurting other conscious beings. If I had my own farm I probably wouldn't care, but in reality factory farming relatively smart mammals (cows/pigs) is a pretty shitty industry.
Also it's consisten (literally this thread) - crying about muh dogeaters while eating other mammals is hypocrisy. But I'm unironically ok with other consistent worldviews like
And obviously utility wins so the real correct answer is
>And obviously utility wins
Do most vegans really think in terms of utility? Why not just call yourself a utilitarian then?
yeah, that too
>other conscious beings
That's the thing. Herbivores aren't conscious beings. An active divine spark AKA soul is the soul source of consciousness and it can only be ignited by consuming complex life.
Something must eat a body to gain a soul.
I don't think I've heard a logically sound argument for why ANYTHING except the arguer is conscious or capable of suffering from anyone who does not believe in some kind of a soul. Ever. It's not possible to prove unless you have a full understanding of how "real" consciousness arises in the brain.
basically they dont know or care what the truth is. all they know is that they feel bad when they imagine something with two eyes, a mouth, and expressions or vocalizations they can correctly or incorrectly ascribe emotions that may or may not exists to being "hurt".
that's all veganism is. projecting your humanity onto something. however it most likely lacks it, and you can't even prove other humans are human, you just assume they are because they are biologically and behaviorally so much like yourself.
>you just assume they are because they are biologically and behaviorally so much like yourself.
why is that a bad assumption?
>It's not possible to prove unless you have a full understanding of how "real" consciousness arises in the brain.
Do you have to prove it, or just be confident enough for it to factor into your considerations?
If I believe there's a 50% chance that you're conscious, I would still avoid trying to hurt you in case you are actually conscious. I don't need to be 100% sure.
Being more than 0% sure anything but another human is conscious is idiocy unless you believe in hindu spirituality as fact
okay but you said
>why ANYTHING except the arguer
are you going back on that now and saying you can be more than 0% sure that at least other humans are conscious?
just making sure before I continue
this is some next level schizo shit
schizo shit is just religion that doesn't have enough people agreeing with it tbh
they do not have to. that's an artifact of capitalism and government meddling. we are at a point where it is cheaper to buy corn and onions because the meat is still profitable, and there's not enough chaff and grass to fulfill massive consumer demand because of all the people who eat 1/3lb of beef for each meal.
I've had vegans rant at me for eating eggs from my own chickens. They're beloved pets who I care for across their whole life and really just keep because I like them, but somehow eating the eggs they make is immoral.
Veganism may have started as a philosophy but almost everyone now thinks it's Veg+ Extra Smug Edition.
You're going to regret getting attached to them once one of your "beloved pets" gets its neck snapped by a bird of prey, or the neighbor's dog, or the friendly local raccoon disembowels it, or literally any predatory animal nearby kills it, because you know literally anything will kill and eat a chicken.
I've had a few dozen chickens over 20 years, son. I'm no stranger to loss. I just don't let it harden me.
>like guns, tanks, airplane, shooter videogames
>isn't pro war in Ukraina
Always enjoy the mental gymnastics that these threads produce
>uhhh actually bro, there's a very deep and spiritual reason why i have to eat my chicken nuggies
there are many unironic schizos on this board
True, but I think most people who say that stuff aren't spiritual at all in any other aspect of life and just use it as a cope for why eating meat is ok
Imagine having complete dominon over a planet that is powered by destroying others and you go completely against this circle of life and just eat plants like the lowest level of animals on the planet meanwhile the most powerful eat meat. Meat is for the Gods. Veggies for the peasants. This earth WANTS you to eat meat and by rejecting her gifts you spit in the face if mother nature. Eating meat keeps me way cleaner and lean and full feeling than stuffing my face with plants covered in poison and getting hungry an hour later. Meat is the only thing left we have to eat that is clean. Reminder God cursed an entire family of vegans and praised to meat eaters. Fat Grill daddies who eat meat are closer to divinity the most powerful vegan.
I'm ok being a hypocrite then.
How so? I simply don't believe anything that doesn't eat meat (synapsid flesh) doesn't have a soul, and is therefore the moral equivalent to an object.
This includes "human" vegans. We should be allowed to eat free range, humanely harvested vegan.
the single most based thing i have read all week
I'm vegan except I eat cats. cats are delicious and since people let them outside you can just grab and eat them. it's free food.
Hows the CCP treating you, chang?
I eat prey animals. I associate with predator animals. Simple as.
>My favorite animals are purely carnivores
>But imma hypocrite for occasionally eating meat.
Also, vegans are the new Bible thumpers
I literally just don't value non human life morally
They look cool tho
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low effort troll thread
Cost-benefit analysis may say otherwise. Deontologists are hypocrites though.