All I hear is how aggressive pitbulls are. Now either they're not talking about APBTs, my dog's weird for an APBT, or he's just not one. But everyone, even strangers, say he's a pitbull. So what's the deal, Wauf? Did I just get insanely lucky? Because my wife and both our roommates have been on the watch for any aggressive tells and, over the year and a half we've owned him, there simply isn't anything. The most aggressive he gets is he wants to play with other dogs and even that's tapered off after he saw some scuffles at the dog park last year. Hell, he even goes out of his way to not get dirty because he hates baths.
I didn't know what I had when we got him so I did googling and, apart from the usual bullshit, I got a lot of information that just does not square with the dog we've got. He's not dog aggressive, he's not people aggressive, he's not even cat aggressive. He's just... a chill-ass dog who wants to always be around one of us when we're home.
Its how you raise them, notice how most people that own killer pits are douchebags that raised them like shit
One more reply and my troll thread hits 200 and I will have, in my mind, trolled the Wauf.
>For you see, Wauf, I was merely pretending to be retarded!
>You're not so different, you and I
Exaggerating. Fucking with people requires a gentle touch. Mere lies don't get a thread to 200. These ARE worries and confusions I have and, to give credit where it's due, I have gleaned a lot of practical ideas from this thread. And then, two weeks later, the fucking thing was still going so I decided to poke. AND LO!
I am NOT retarded! I am insane! There is a difference, goddammit!
the only good advice you got was “keep that mutant away from everything you don’t want mauled unless it’s muzzled”
Oh don't be dismissive to fellow fags. I got a lot of good advice and tips. Sure that was the big takeaway but there's been a lot of good dribs and drabs too. I will say the most useless thing I got (in hordes of messages) is "you shouldn't have/I hate/all should be killed" because... I mean I got him. Job's done. Not getting rid of him. He helps my fibro pain, my wife loves him, even my roommates love him.
And when I get his sister, it'll be the dog that speaks to me. Same as he spoke to my wife (I admit fully I fucked up there. I should have been more selfish and found one that spoke to me. Story of my life. Too caring about others.) I don't know if anyone else gets that, when you're at the pound and you find those one or two (or more) dogs that just... speak to you. If it's a pittie (statistically speaking, it probably will be, sadly,) it's going through the same regiment of "you need to calm the fuck down NOW" as Chip went through.
You're just a zoophile that latched on to a man eater. Nutcase. I hope when it gets put down for harming a human being you realize you were wrong and spare yourself the tears.
Where do you get the idea I'm a zoophile? That's the funniest shit I've read all week.
Your irrational attachment to a dumb animal despite its instincts that make it way more likely to kill a human than any dog should be? 30 dead humans a year is not worth a dog that looks a specific way. You can just get another one. Most dogs aren't even sentient.
There's so much wrong with this post. I'll pick one thing in particular. I'm legally blind. I picked the calm dog. The other dogs were not calm. I did not want them. I wanted the calm dog. He happens to be a pitbull.
If he kills someone as stupid as you though, I think the overall IQ of the planet will rise a blip though. Most dogs aren't even sentient. Jesus Christ on a bicycle what a stupid statement.
Cool a golden retriever is much calmer and won’t randomly kill your niece right when you thought you had it all under control
And if I find one at the shelters when the time comes, I'll get one. My roommate loves goldies. Good thing nobody I know has or wants kids, eh? It may seem like I bought him on a whim but I actually do know what I'm doing when it comes to seeing into a dog's soul... ironically enough. If he was going to be aggressive, he would have been by now. And if he's hiding it deep enough to where I miss it when I've literally never been wrong about a dog's temperament in my almost 40 years alive, he'll deserve the slow death he gets for lying to me and hiding that aspect of himself.
Honestly, my prediction is he'll die past 15 of extremely old age having lived a chill and good life. I'd like to drag him to 20 much like I'm trying to drag myself to 120 but I'll be happy if he beats the spread.
This is you in the future
>I've had my dog (pit mix) since he was a puppy. He is socialized and I've been taking him to public places with me since he was a puppy without incident
>I don't know why my dog did this, there were no signs from him at all and the people petting him did everything right.
Obviously it's fucking reddit so the post got "locked due to outside interference" (read: NOOO DON'T SUGGEST THAT OUR HECKIN PITTERINOS ARE BAD)
Seriously, there's so many of these fucking incidents. Stop adopting these shithead dogs.
Pitbulls are less than 10% of the population (inb4 pitbullinfo's shelter intake bullshit that is the logical equivalent of extrapolating that blacks are 80% of the US population, which contradicts their "not a real pitbull" bullshit). And yet more than 50% of the dog bite fatalities.
Said bullshit website also says huskies are the dog that is most likely to bite and kill, while pitbulls are the safest and least aggressive breed.
Huskies, which really are a bit dangerous due to their extremely strong predatory instincts, are officially the most numerous dogs of an identifiable breed where I live. What that means is it's not really huskies, it's huskies, husky mixes, malamutes, malamute mixes, etc, and I see way more wolfdogs than I should. If I visit the dog park every day of the week I will see at least 3 different wolf hybrids. And yet I can not find a husky murder in the last 10 years in my state. Even with all the wolfdogs registered as "huskies". It's all pitbulls and german shepherds.
However, the UK seems to have at least one fatal husky attack a year. The entire US has less than one a year. I wonder what the fuck they're doing. Could it be... their dogs have different genetics!?!?!?
europe has legal wolfdog breeds. you can just go to a breeder and buy them. they're treated like a normal dog in most countries.
>while pitbulls are the safest and least aggressive breed
Was this website written by a pitbull? kek
its a technical fact. like saying mass shooters are normally model citizens, just a little quiet. pitbulls show less outward aggression than dogs with 0% fatality rates.
>he was such a nice boy, a little quiet but his grades were good! I don't know what happened...
Stop. Just stop. I have him. I've had him for a year. I'm not getting rid of him. Reading that thread, that dude's lucky he only got his face "nipped" and not "torn off his skull." That thread did reiterate something I've always done though, keeping people away from his fucking face and giving him a line to move through if he's uncomfortable. Glad I was smart on that front.
I didn't go out of my way to adopt a pitbull. I needed a fibro dog. They gave me Chip at the shelter and it turned out he was a pit.
Chip wants to say hi to every human. Over the last few months, he's been less interested in dogs though he will say hi to the ones he knows. Getting him to not rush at other dogs when he's on his walks has been a bitch and a half though he is getting better about it. It's at least easier to distract him. Apparently, that 2 mile is HIS route and THEY can all fuck off.
This mutt is going to kill something it has no right to
I hope someone shoots it when it inevitably escapes again
Fuck off with your shitbull you low iq tard
Wir mussen sie shitbull ausrotten!
2 very simple questions for pittie lovers:
1. What do you think the "pit" in pitbull stands for?
2. Why is it that herding dogs and pointing dogs are allowed to have a genetic predisposition towards those tasks, but biting and violence is suddenly NOT a genetic predisposition when it comes to PITbulls?
They're clearly not all agressive. Just a higher propensity which is cranked up to 11 when raised by shitty owners. Because of this propensity you should avoid them because it is like gambling only with the life of your child, wife, or even your own
Anyone have that mega link of pitbulls getting rekt collection? I thought I saved it but I didnt.
How dangerous are these guys? They have the same bloodsport history but i rarely see them mauling people.
They actually seem very nice.
Pitbulls are a self-fulfilling prophecy. They are no more inherently aggressive than any other dog species. What they are is extremely strong.
Let me explain. Dumbass buys a dog while they have a toddler. Toddler grabs dog's tail or something similar. Dog gets hurt and lashes out at toddler. The species of the dog is what decides the outcome here. If it is a golden retriever or a collie or something, the kid's gonna get hurt but he'll be fine. You can kick a collie and they'll go the fuck away. But if it's a pitbull, or a rotty or something that kind of strong? Kid's fucked. You ain't getting that dog off with a kick.
So naturally, this happens and the stronger dogs get tagged as more violent because they're more capable of violence. But it's the owner here that's the problem. Now because pitties and the like are known as violent dogs, violent assholes looking to mistreat and 'train' a violent dog buy one of these stronger species that is more 'violent'. This perpetuates the stereotype simply because of bad ownership and bad metrics.
The reality of the situation is that any dog breed can be a nice, good dog. Provided it is trained and treated with respect. Dogs are only a few steps away from four-legged furry killing machines that dominate the wilds of much of our planet. People tend to forget that. Doesn't matter the breed, they're all capable of violence. It's simply a matter of which ones are more capable.
And get out of here with that stupid 'of course you will say he is a nice dog' strawman shit. Every owner will always claim that because to claim absolutely anything else is to admit you're a shit owner and you shouldn't have a fucking dog.
Debunked because Mastiffs aren’t close to Bull-Type Terriers in death rates despite being stronger.
Mastiffs are a lot less common than pitbulls too.
Yeah sure just ignore the 200+ years of selectively breeding them for bloodsports and all the videos showing random pitbulls coming out of nowhere and attacking women and children, and all those news stories about pitbulls killing and eating their owners
They’re like wolfdogs but uglier and more dangerous
im just gonna assume this card is a blackout
I have an intense desire to murder every pitbull-looking dog I see, and I'm not even Chinese
Apparently, all you have to be is white on this board to want to murder all pitbull-looking dogs.
As a blind guy, what the fuck does that mean? What qualifies as "pitbull looking"?
Something about pitbulls murdering children makes me angry, can't explain really, it's really strange. Maybe you have the answer to ugly Hispanic gay
Yeah that doesn't answer my fucking question. A breed is a very specific thing. Something being x-looking is fucking retarded. Kind of like you, as a matter of fact. He is an APBT. I had him tested. I've shown the link. I am extremely careful about how he interacts with other dogs and people. I am a human. I make mistakes. But I have never made that kind of mistake. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if he attacks someone or something, I will kill him my-goddamn-self. But considering the odds and the fact that four of us (three who aren't disabled at all) are training him and watching him, I think he'll die of old age with nary a drop of blood on him that isn't his.
So explain. How does a dog "look like" a pitbull?
I'm going to stab your ugly abomination mutt in the head in front of you, you blind gay
I mean you're sure free to try and when I hear you coming, I'll straight up strangle your ass and get off because you're committing a hate crime against the disabled. But truth be told, I'd rather not have to kill a dipshit who's afraid of a 50 pound dog.
Keep making retarded bait threads, no one cares about your retarded mutt breed
Can't be that retarded if the motherfucker's still going after I forgot about it for 2 weeks.
have a nice day, yank
Up yours, EU cocksucker.
Being 100% honest (I OCRd it,) You can't define what a pitbull is, it's different breeds, I have a pit and I haven't seen any aggression, it's the owner not the dog, and I guess the dog is well behaved (even though I've treated every dog I've owned with extreme caution more often than not because I'm blind and fucking around with a dog is a bad idea even if you have eyes.)
So no, not a blackout. Blind people don't see in black anyway. There is only the emptiness of where sight ought to be. Fun fact, most "blind" people have light perception. Fully 100% no light perception blind people arjtxpne surprisingly rare.
no one cares that you're blind, die a sad miserable sightless death you disabled gay
>its not a real pitbull
Terrier-bully creatures with a propensity for aggression. Imagine anyone saying this for any other breed. Oh no it's not a real retriever it's a duck tolling...dog. Oh no it's not a husky it's just another extremely friendly small game hunting sled pulling breed how dare you assume that they are a small game hunting sled pulling breed. Oh no it's not a german shepherd it's a BELGIAN shepherd that just looks really similar and acts pretty much the same, if not worse.
>I haven't seen any
Many pit types were bred not to show outward signs of aggression until sufficiently triggered, ie: in a dogfight, so they would be safer to transport.
>i guess the dog is well behaved
They are highly submissive towards their owners and known for being well behaved, until fighting mode is engaged.
You've been told this again and again, and you can see pitshit owner after shitpit owner saying what you did regarding their dog that KILLED A HUMAN BEING 30 minutes ago. Keep a muzzle and a chain on it, and remember most of us on Wauf are armed and will ventilate off leash shitbulls with 0 hesitation to protect our DWs. We don't care. We don't see them as dogs.
>anon, that guy 2 miles out just unclipped his pitbull's leash. see him?
>2mph breeze southwest, target looks to be moving about 5kph
You know being blind explain at least how you post pictures of ugly breed dog and call them cure or pretty
i specifically want to murder pitbulls with baseball bats. Their huge muscular head is the main part i want to hit.
>hates pitbulls for being violent school shooter- type dogs
>makes violent school shooter-type post
gay anon was the true monster all along....
its ok man. shitbulls deserve it. the less of them the better. they should be an endangered and rare species.
Pitbulls aren't common where I live.
But recently saw one on the train station.
>white trash couple
>beer gut dude
>tattooed 45 kg woman
>ugly flabby face shitbull
>she holds the leash
>child sneezes in distance
>pittie throws head around
>shitbull jumps and pulls on leash
Tragedy in the making.
Why is my thread still alive? Well anyway, Chip's still not mauling babies or anything. Ever since he did a runner and we punished him, he hasn't done a runner again (because we don't let that leash leave our hand or his neck) and he's even started being receptive to our corrections to his excited barking when he sees other dogs on "his walking route." That territorial shit is going away toot-sweet, you can bet your ass.
He's the best kind of bait dog. He's a fuckin' troll. That's all he cares about, getting other dogs to chase him. Not interested in fighting, toys, or anything else. Just getting other dogs to chase him. And he's a dickhead about it too. I love it. It's hysterical. Nobody here has a small dog so the dogs he trolls could (try to) kick his ass. I am amused by simple things.
And if you have a problem with the fact that I let him troll dogs for fun, then tell me "no" when I ask you "is your dog friendly?" I never let him fuck with dogs unless there's an owner nearby and I've vetted it with them. And even then, I always ALWAYS slow-approach.
As every owner of these sub-canine abominations says when it mauls a family's pet aussie or maybe even their children for daring to exist...
He wuz a good dog
He wuz a nice dog
He wuz so wel ltrained
He woulda never done that
He woulda rolled over
He just wanted to play
He wasn't even a pitbull
Im a good doggo owner
Last owner probably abused him
Its how you raise them
Dis never happened befoa
He din du ruffin
Chip is sweet.
>too retarded to flip an image before posting
yeah, you probably shouldn't own dogs, or be allowed to breath on your own
That's not how it looked when I uploaded it. It auto-flips it on twatter too (I have to use twatter for my job.)
Currently fostering these two little guys. Calling them Johnny Cash and Jerry Lee. Not keeping them but they’re a lot of fun.
I hope it's OP will be be mauled by his dog and not somebody else
The average prey driven dog will not attack an animal that is holding fast or fighting back. Terriers will. This behavior is why they can slaughter adult rats and even badgers.
Pitfags actually equate that behavior with the gentle greyhound’s prey drive? Lmao
Also, pitbull are defended in the mainstream and even have official lobbyists and mascotism. Literally no one defends incels, even when they don't kill anyone.
APBTs are pit dogs, not man stoppers. They were bred to kill other dogs in a box and be easily handled by the people inside. You know, you won't like it when your doggy is going full slayer on that Grand Champ your pitbull starts mauling you as soon as you hold it's chest right? Most APBTs are bred like that although there are exceptions.
This said the gamedog isn't a human aggressive breed in most cases, except the Colby line which derived into the American Staffordshire Terrier, which sports good guard dog predisposition.
Another thang you should know, pitbulls don't show killing willingness until 2-3 years old. Remember that the pit bull doesn't show common dog aggression gestures but rather a very playful and eager stance, or pulling hard in like when average dogus sees squirrel.
Bull-Type Terriers (including Pits) are possible but not certain[<100%] to exhibit aggressive behaviors.
>comparing a sentient beast to an inanimate object
Wow you really got him there anon
All the memes and statistics aside why the fuck would you want one? Pibbles are ugly as shit go get a dog that actually somewhat resembles a dog.
He's not aggressive because he's waiting until you least expect it. All of a sudden a couple of years from now, he's gonna just snap and kill somebody(probably a toddler or an elderly person or a coalburner)
>*slaps your methmomma's ass*
Pitbull are "not aggressive"until one day they suddenly snap for no reason; or rather, the reason being their genes.
Putbulls are noggers. If I see a putbull looking dog at the park, I just leave. My golden retriever is too kind and stupid. A pitbull would easily attack her and her dumbass wouldn't defend herself at all. Sorry I just can't relax around your nogger dog and take the risk. I know for a fact pitbull owners don't train their dogs at all as well, most are generally neglected.
this isn't reddit mate, just say moron
>this isnt reddit
I got a 3 days ban by an absolute retard mod for calling shitbulls
morons in this same thread.
Face it, this pretty much is reddit now.
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
The vast majority of dogs will never attack a human. With a pitbull you still have a less than 1% chance that he will kill you, I would just rather get a breed where the chance is even closer to 0.
OP I will dump 15 rounds of liberty civil defense 9mm into your pitbull if it approaches my husko girl when you let it off leash at a park. Fair warning. The last shitbull owner ran screaming and leashed their dog to drag it home as soon as I got the GLOCK out… and it doesn’t sound like you’ll be that fast…
>brandished a firearm in a threatening manner
Public park with a leash law reminder sign. I had a narrowly averted self defense case, the pitbull owner didnt, so they never called the cops.
In some cases, it may be legal to shoot an off leash dog if it is posing an immediate threat to people or property.
Correct. And dangerous breed known to attack immediately poses more of a threat just by approaching people than a normal dog would.
Off leash aussie = i pets their head, check for a collar, and maybe take them home with me. If they’ve been abuse and are aggressive because of it what are they going to do, bruise me?
Off leash pibble = remove
If an off-leash pit bull does approach me, I am much more wary of it than I would be of an Aussie. This is because I know that pit bulls have been bred to be aggressive, and even if they haven't been abused, they may still attack. If a pit bull does attack me, I know that it could do a lot of damage, and even kill me, so I would be prepared to shoot it before it got too close.
I wish I lived in a red state, you can barely have a knife here, I’d carry a gutting knife it didn’t seem suHispanicious.
I live in yurop
Land of the free
Yeah after last night, he's only off-leash at fenced in dog parks and if you pull a gun on my dog at a dog park, I will straight up fucking strangle you to death with my bare hands.
I don't need a gun to kill pussies who're afraid off a dog.
>i'm surprised this blind retard is still fat.
273 as of this morning. Gout flare back in may fundamentally changed my diet. Walking miles a day now and I've lost 36 pounds so far.
>Oh he's just being inquisitive when he breaks a fucking lead in an effort to rush at a group of children.
Didn't say that. It scared the shit out of me and pissed me right off. Now he's on a trailer-grade line tied to our back fence and a pillar in our backyard and his new collar is leather and he hasn't been able to wriggle out of it since we got it for him. Do not try to twist my words to say I'm an irresponsible dog owner. I take everything I do extremely seriously and just because he hasn't been what I think is aggressive doesn't mean he hasn't been what I think is unacceptable (which is a much wider net and is exactly as bad as if he were aggressive in my books.)
My dog will be behaved. When he isn't, I show him the error of his ways.
>fat retard charges an armed man in rage over le heckin pupper
based natural selection participant
>Do not try to twist my words to say I'm an irresponsible dog owner
I don't need to twist anything.
>he's ALWAYS leashed
>Not muzzle safe
>That is bullshit. Everyone and every sentient thing has tells. I've always been able to read people and dogs extremely well
>Tenacious, yes. Aggressive, no.
>Let him off the leash
You're acting just like every other arrogant violent dog owner who deludes themselves and then ends up seriously injuring people or worse. What possible excuse do you have for not muzzling your animal and for ever letting your it off of a leash? None, the only reason you do it is because you're a feckless asshole who then has the temerity to turn around and defend themselves as a responsible dog owner.
Lucky for us he's american so his shibble could theoretically cause trouble around an armed person who would stop the attack immediately. That's a rare happening, however, because shibble owners are instinctive cowards who avoid anywhere that real men congregate and tend to lag behind women, children, and sois by about 30 or 50 feet (probably to take pictures tbh). I'm a muscular white man who appears clearly conservative with a large, wolfish german shepherd mix and pitbull owners cross the street or turn around when they see us coming. A pitbull could theoretically beat my dog in a fight. He's a smart but gentle soul who tries to avoid conflict if it's not to protect me. But, I don't think it's him they're worried about.
I hope your shitbull dies, and you too.
I hope OP steps on Lego or something. So fucking insufferable. The reason you don't think your dog is aggressive in any way is because you're incapable of taking a step back and observing it's behaviours without looking through the lens of your love for the creature. Oh he's just playing! Oh he's just being tenacious! Oh he's just being inquisitive when he breaks a fucking lead in an effort to rush at a group of children. Come on man. I hope this is a cleverly crafted troll and none of this shit is real.
he just can't take the L and admit he fucked up in adopting a pitbull. with the amount of mental gymnastics he's doing i'm surprised this blind retard is still fat.
the fact is that pitbulls were born and bred to kill. no way around it. They still exhibing and act on those urges with absolutely no outside infulence There's no way to tell if your pitbull will be fine or a ticking time bomb just waiting to snap.
This guy gets it
Bull-type terriers were originally bred to fight bulls and other dogs in a blood sport known as bull-baiting.
Bull-baiting is a blood sport in which bulls were tethered to a post and dogs were then set upon them. The dogs would bite the bull's nose and face, causing the animal considerable pain and distress.
Bull-type terriers were also used in dog fighting, another brutal blood sport in which dogs were pitted against each other in a fight to the death.
The natural adaptation to infiltrate kindergartens through holes and vents just to maul kids
What the fuck... that abomination needs to die asap.
This is bullshit, (kek) bull terriers only have "bull" in the name because in countries where bulls are revered (mexico running of the bulls) children would be given symbolic bull toys on their death beds and eventually they were replaced by dogs for sanitation reasons. Which is why they were originally considered nany dogs.
Bull-baiting is a hunting tradition in which a dog is also an alarm-baited by a bull. Bull-Type Terriers are bred for this purpose and are temperamentally suited for it. They are fearless and aggressive when pursing game and are known for their tenacity in catching prey.
Bull-type Terriers are one of the most aggressive dog breeds, and can be very dangerous if not properly socialized and trained. They are known to have a short temper and a propensity for fighting. Bull-type Terriers are also known to have a strong hunting instinct and can be very destructive if they are not properly supervised.
you mean these guys?
My roommate told me what the picture was. I used to confuse eggheads with pitbulls. Eggheads are, bar none, the most psychotically retarded dogs I've ever met. If the APBT "snaps," the egghead is its diametric opposite in that it's too stupid to not be in "snapped" mode. Those things look like the product of all the incest.
Speaking of sighted roommate, he got a picture.
>BREAKING: HEROIC PITBULL DRIVES ACROSS US IN RECORD TIME TO KILL TODDLER
That is one of the several Bull-Type Terriers.
are bull terriers bad pets like shitbulls?
Bull terriers are mentally retarded and completely psychotic. I've met a fair few in my years and every one of them without exception has been one of three things.
1. Dumb as a fucking brick
2. More dangerous and hair-trigger than a roided up gangbanger
3. Both 1 and 2.
But bull terriers are a specific breed. "Pitbulls" are not. My APBT isn't the same breed as an American bully. They look related. They are not. Now an APBT IS related to an AmStaff or a Staffordshire Terrier. AmStaffs are a little shorter in the leg and bulkier and Staffies are smaller overall.
Why not bull terriers? Their heads are literally shaped like eggs. Perfect for whalloping.
The reason Wauf hates "shitbulls" is because they're the ones in the news. In the 80s and 90s it was dobies and rotties. Now it's pitties. All because a certain low social class of people decide to own them and mistreat them. I can't see what the picture is. What breed is it?
Yeah, genetically, so no amount of love can fix them. In fact they were bred by street people from the start for the sole purpose of killing other dogs. All that changed was shelters started shilling them instead of killing them. Things like calling a pitbull a lab are very new.
Well no street people have touched my dog before I got him from the shelter. He hates VERY specific brown people. He's fine with black, he's fine with most brown. But that ONE color of brown, he does NOT like. Hats and covered faces are also on his shit list. Unless you're white or black. Then he's fine with you.
Apparently, he came from a Texas kill shelter.
kill shitbulls. kill their enablers. simple as.
>Because why the fuck not?
You just end up repeating yourself over and over again. You're also incredibly fucking stupid to keep insisting things like "WEELL AKSHUALLY THERE R ALWAYS SIGNS!!" When for one, you can't see them, blind fuck.
>But seriously, because I keep seeing all the bullshit and Chip's just not fuckin' like that. And you guys keep saying the same kind of shit and I'm just not seeing it in him. Mostly, though, I was bored. We arent talking about your dog specifically you insecure retard. We are talking about pitbulls in general. You were given dozens of bite sources before in the last thread but apparently still remain dense and retarded. What's even the point in engaging with you if you never bother challenging your beliefs? Clearly you have some chip in your shoulder and feel the need to keep whining at a brick wall with your dumb holier than thou attitude of how your 1 (one) dog means people should keep giving a consistent people mauler of a breed the same chance they'd give a labrador or golden retriever. I insist you are retarded because you also also managed to doxx yourself on Wauf of all places.
I said I'd tell you when he snapped and I will, by god. But it's not quite as exciting as all that.
>Walking miles to lose weight and tire him out.
>Third and final lap of the evening (2 miles per lap.)
>Past the park into the empty field.
>Let him off the leash far into this 30x120 field he's never once left when I've let him go. He'll run around, shit, piss, maybe get zoomies and we'll be on our way.
>Literally done this over 50 times in the last month.
>Stops where I drop the leash.
>Think he's going to zoomie like he's done a fair few times.
>Shoots off across the street behind a garage.
>Have to trespass to get him back.
>Drag him home. He goes normally. Swearing and angry at him the whole time.
And here I sit. No violence or anything. He just got it in his head to fuck off for some reason and then, after he investigated whatever it was, he came back like nothing was wrong. Bet your ass he's lost THAT little privilege for about 15-18 years.
Let it never be said that I'm not a man of my word. I didn't kick him. I didn't swat him. I didn't even scream at him. I spoke to him VERY sternly and, through the leash, made it VERY clear we were going home and he's in deep shit. For one thing, he's not going for laps with me tomorrow. He can stay home and whine his ass off.
>irresponsible dog owner violates leash laws
>dangerous breed runs towards homes and businesses
>manages to get it back before it finds a child or jumps a fence to maul someone's friendly family dog to death
>i swear to god he's a good boy he only escaped once to sniff flowers he din du ruffin
Fuck you gay
if that was my garage and i happened to be out with my dog, your shitbull chip would have ended ended up suisse fromage
It's probably because you're a white guy who's taking good care of him.
Unlike my fucking moron of a neighbor. He's got like 10 of them in his back yard in garbage enclosures.
A looot of deadly pitbull bites on toddlers and other dogs are 100% white people
>he was such a nice dog
>he was well trained
>he would have never done this
>he must have been provoked
>your dog was poorly socialized and shouldn't have grumbled within 10 feet of him
>your toddler needs to learn that you never look a dog in the eye and never touch their face
>my dog when another dog growls savagely: *leaves*
>my dog when toddlers look them in the eye and touch their face: *flops over and wags tail for belly rubs*
I'd need to see a stat on that shit. The one white person I knew who owned one was a mud shark that used to smack him around with a radio antennae. She left him with a house sitter, and said house sitter was picking it up off the floor, and the dog jumped on him and mauled his face.
No shit these fucking retards are going to say "he was such a nice dog, well trained!" What the fuck else are they going to say? "Oh, yeah, I'm a piece of shit and was kicking that little bastard around until I got what was coming to me. Ain't I a stinker?"
Your not wrong usually white w*man who rescue dogs from neighbors like this anon has
Zero training, zero interaction, yea no shit the dog goes haywire.
The OP’s replies in this thread show that they lack critical thinking skills. They have not thought carefully about their decision to own a bull-type terrier mutt and do not seem to understand the responsibilities that come with owning this type of dog.
You make it sound like I went to the shelter and said "I want a pitbull." I got what they had that spoke to me and I am adapting to the dog I have instead of drowning it, shooting it or fucking it like you guys (and /b/ respectively) would have me do.
Retards at the shelter dumped a dog no one with a brain wanted on you because you lack a brain and they wanted to make room without sending it to an instakill peta shelter.
Because why the fuck not? But seriously, because I keep seeing all the bullshit and Chip's just not fuckin' like that. And you guys keep saying the same kind of shit and I'm just not seeing it in him. Mostly, though, I was bored.
Like I've said elsewhere, the goal is to get the fuck away from people. We're stuck in this duplex for another few years though so, until we move, I am supremely cautious with him.
Tenacious, yes. Aggressive, no. And I can attest to how goddamn tough he is, especially in the neck. He broke a collar because he wanted the kids on the far side to pet him (we've since gotten a stronger collar and a stronger means of keeping him in check, $200 of a runner we attach to the back fence and our back porch post.)
See, that's what I was thinking too. Same ex-roommate bought me a DNA test too and it says I'm 86% German and other shit like that when my mom's genealogy traced us back to Scotland (and she kept her receipts too.) Even if he is a full-ass APBT, I'm just not seeing this aggression. Not even when he's in extreme situations. Like he's been in a scuffle or two at the dog park. One of which, the other dog was a screaming asshole. He asserted himself and backed the fuck off and got out of there. Specifically, he wanted to go home both times. He likes our chill-ass life we give him I guess.
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a naturally aggressive breed, and even if an individual dog may not show much aggression, it is still in their nature to be aggressive.
You can't judge a dog's aggression level based on a few scuffles at the dog park. Just because the other dog was a 'screaming asshole' doesn't mean that your dog didn't show aggression. He may have been trying to assert himself and get out of there because he was feeling threatened. Just because he doesn't fight back in every situation doesn't mean he's not aggressive.
The APBT does NOT generally signal aggression "honestly", it's basically a "feature" of the breed.
Just checked his DNA test. With any Bull-Type Terrier its possible but not certain that they will exhibit aggressive behaviors based on their genetics alone. Good luck man.
Only one (1) single dog has ever had its genome sequenced. It was a boxer.
The human genome project took a decade to complete and cost $3 BILLION. And 10% of the human genome was not mapped and there are no plans to sequence it (please read their own web page for an explanation as to why).
And they only sequenced the genes. It did not explain what those genes do. It was completed in 2003 and they're still figuring out what those genes actually control.
Real life isn't Hollywood.
First of all, the human genome project did not cost $3 billion - the entire project cost around $2.7 billion. Secondly, the 10% of the human genome that was not mapped is made up of repetitive sequences that are not essential for understanding the function of genes. And finally, the human genome project was completed in 2003, but researchers are still working to understand the function of genes - this is an ongoing process.
>we don't know what any of these genes do
>were not going to sequence this 10% because they're repetitive and don't do anything.
There are no "spare parts" in the human genome like a fucking table from Ikea.
That 10% wasn't tested because those are the non-shared genes between races.
Repeating sequences are actually really fucking important. For instant, repeats in a gene associated with testosterone receptors modulated how well they work.
>First of all, the human genome project did not cost $3 billion - the entire project cost around $2.7 billion.
OP in shambles. Entire post btfo.
Well I guess stallman needed a better excuse to stay away from kids
>30 million pitbulls in the U.S.
>4.7 million dog attacks yearly in the U.S.
>60% are putbulls.
So that means every year 10% of pitbulls attack something.
It's not the same 10% every year.
So if your pitbull lives 10 years then statistically there's a 100% chance it will attack a person or other dog.
That's just mathematical statistics.
Of course every pitbull doesn't bite someone in their lifespan (life expectancy is 8-15 years, so apparently some were relying on those last 2 years they never saw).
Carry, at bare minimum, a knife with you every time you take him out. Take him out muzzled as well. Anything else is gross negligence. It's close to impossible to tell what is inquisitive behaviour and what is aggressive behaviour in a pit.
That's the thing with shitbulls, they don't have tells, they just snap.
That is bullshit. Everyone and every sentient thing has tells. I've always been able to read people and dogs extremely well and he's got a few tells for a few different things and if this dog I've spent literally every single day with (minus two last year,) I will have my hands on the leash and I will shut him down.
If the breed seriously didn't have a tell, they'd be killed or bred out. Also, that'd be a physiological miracle. Speaking of breed, APBTs and bullies are completely different breeds. I didn't believe it at first but wouldn't you know it, it's true. APBTs, Staffies, and AmStaffs are the same breed more or less but bullies are the outlier breed. Or at least that's the information I've found.
I love this picture. This is not two minutes after a neighbor dog accidentally nicked Chip's ear. He's waiting for my wife to come home. I trolled her with said picture. She was... ill-amused.
>That is bullshit. Everyone and every sentient thing has tells. I've always been able to read people and dogs extremely well
>1 week later
>I-I dunno what happened, he was such a cute lol pebble your child must have scared him
You're in for a rude awakening and it'll be well deserved
>This is not two minutes after a neighbor dog accidentally nicked Chip's ear
I bet your sweet little puppers dindu nuffin.
Well he didn't attack back if that's what you mean. He understood it was an accident. Honestly, they kept playing. Like a rambunctious puppy is wont to do.
I wouldn't say snap. They just haven't experienced violence yet. If you ever see them maul something look at their body language during and after they are having the time of their life and it's so stimulating it's hard for them to stop mid attack. This isn't like a straw breaking a camels back or just random it's always been there it's always been armed it just hasn't encountered the right circumstances to be set off.
not reading that
thats too bad because it's all factual. pitbulls are insidiously dangerous and should be kept muzzled around people and other dogs no matter how nice you think your dog is.
despite being bred for dogfighting, pitbulls show few to no outward signs of aggression which makes them technically less aggressive than a border collie in temperament testing. however, because of their tendency towards rapid onset fear aggression and a serious bite, pitbulls killed over 300 children in a 15 year period (despite being <7% of the dog population), while border collies only seriously injured two.
despite being so little of the dog population pitbulls represent over half of the shelter intake
>HE'S A NICE DOG, BUT....
>despite being so little of the dog population pitbulls represent over half of the shelter intake
Look, I just wanted a dog to help with my fibro pain (and he's actually done a lot in that regard. Apparently hugging the doggie is a good drip-feed of dopamine,) and both the dogs that were at the shelter were pitbulls (and all the other shelters I've looked at to get him a sister has shown your metrics. Half-to-more were pitbulls.
Also, I thought of another example. Chip will straight up run and hide next to me whenever my one roommate loses his shit at a game (screaming and hitting his desk.) If Chip didn't show fear, why would he bolt to my side, shaking and demanding hugs. We FINALLY got him to stop whining after month 6. I doubt we'll ever get my roommate to calm the fuck down about getting stunlocked in whatever game he's playing.
Also, Chip had the screaming shits from nerves after we kicked out the roommate who tried to foist this little hellion on us (and she taught him how to discipline puppies by ripping him up until he put his foot down by, at the park, straight up silver-bulleting her right in the ribs. He got a full sprint start to do it too. Little fucker planned his revenge. It was hysterical.)
Pitbulls show fear. They don't show the aggression from it until it's too late. Need I remind you what every pitbull owner says after the attack?
>He was a nice dog
>he would never do that
>he was so well trained
>he was a sweetheart who would lick you to death
>he was a scaredy cat who never growled or barked at anyone
Bla bla bla
Know what your dog was bred for. Not every backyard bred mutt will have the right temperament for the breed so it's possible it won't, but you're playing with peoples lives and the lives of other dogs for the sake of having pride in a dog that likely isn't half as sentient as its wolf ancestors anymore. Maybe have pride in what your dog really is, because at least then you'll acknowledge the ever-present danger.
It's the owner, not the breed, because the human is the one responsible for making sure the dog is on a leash and wearing a muzzle. Otherwise a pitbull can be a useful dog for hog hunting.
Just because I think he's atypical of the breed... or NOT the breed, doesn't mean I'm not going to still play it safe. Not muzzle safe but definitely leashed and double-fisted safe.
>in whatever game he's playing.
Not an expert but probably bloodborne/souls games
I know which games he plays. I just didn't want to list them all. Stunlocking is what makes him fist his desk though. He LOATHES having control taken from him.
Actually they rescued him from one of those in Texas and they gave us the paperwork to prove it. And it was extremely obvious he had gotten trained when he got up here. By a woman. If he had balls, he'd hump every woman he sees in thanks. As is, they're the ones we had the hardest time training him to not jump on. If I weren't married, that dog would've gotten me dates a dozen times over by now.
You're an idiot if you think that a dog's worth is based on its ability to hump women. Obviously, you have no concept of what it means to be a responsible pet owner, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
That little bro next to chip looks scared as hell
>he's standing right behind me isn't he?
cute dogs tho, good luck with your fibro pain
That puppy was the dumbest pain in the ass dog I've ever dealt with. We had to re-home her and I thank merciful Christ she found an equally stupid family with a big-ass backyard to take her in. She's much happier there. I'm asking her new owners for some pics and stories. It's been a year since we got rid of her (and the irresponsible fat cunt of a roommate who tried to foist her on us.) Time does fly.
From the guy who owns her.
"Her* and story's ?? I got many, lol she is a terrorist that's it but a beautiful soul she is VERY protective of our boys and my wife she don't like anyone around them unless she knows them she hates the mailman with a passion and hates the Amazon guys also like most dogs but she goes above and beyond to let them know how she feels about them coming on her property. She is hard as hell to train she is still learning some things I think she won't ever get but it's ok she is well behaved and she bullshits with the other dogs in the neighborhood all the time we got dogs like two houses down and a couple houses behind us across the alley and they all bark at each other I don't know if they're trying to claim the turf or just talking but either way it's funny they all take turns barking at each other"
>despite being <7% of the dog population
Pitbulls are a weird kind of aggressive.
First off, there is something many retards call aggression
that is literally, neurologically, and biologically not aggression except from a vegan standpoint where we "murder" cows. Pitbulls and many other breeds have prey drive, which is most closely related to play behavior, focused on small, weak, fearful, squeaky animals. Many pitbulls have had their predatory instincts modified by selective breeding so they discriminate less and can even attack grown human children for this reason. The correct targets are cats, rabbits, etc. The breed best known for this behavior is the greyhound.
Second, the kind of aggression a game pitbull has is on a hair trigger and they do not come in swinging. They have an incel school shooter temperament. These are very submissive, biddable, nice-guy dogs at first. It's when they feel afraid or threatened that they are extremely likely to bite, and they do so without showing overt warning signs and they skip all the defensive/warning bites. They pretty much only have one bite and it's really effective and killing other dogs. They clamp down, shake, and don't let go unless the flesh comes off the victim or the pitbull dies. Maybe you'll read your dogs diary a week after he kills 20 preschoolers and realize he was planning it all along because he was afraid of the UN forcing him to drink corn syrup. This is why people say "he was a nice dog, i dont know what happened, he just snapped". When most dogs are fearful or threatened, they bark, then growl, then snarl, then snap, and then there's a warning bite the first time, but it takes a lot of bullshit to get a dog to the point where they bite to kill. This is why pitbulls destroy everything else in dogfights.
>pitbulls are sandy hook shooters
this so much this
Yeah but he's shown those other signs before. Like before he knew we were keeping him and was fearful of us. There are other examples over the year but that was the longest sustained fear period. He doesn't bottle his shit up like a school shooter. Part of that is his personality but part of it is we're a bunch of pussies when it comes to spoiling him and we encourage him to let it out. Like he barks out the upstairs window, we investigate, we congratulate him on alerting us, and then we scooch him off to do something else. We don't spoil him fat or anything but if I were a dog, I'd be over the moon at the love I got from us.
As for the prey drive, he's definitely got that and we veered it into toys and the like. If we're on a hike or something, he'll still occasionally shoot off after squirrels or rabbits but he knows what he's supposed to be chasing and playing with.
I know what you're talking about with the school shooter vibe. We got rid of a dog a long time ago because it had that "close to the chest" vibe (my parents were fostering kids and that mindset was not good to have in the house so we found a cousin who lived by herself and there were no incidents. Dog died of old age.) Chip just doesn't have that. Considering he came from a Texas kill shelter (or so we were told,) and has chain scars on him, you'd think he would but he doesn't. Like I said, I did my fuckin' research because I didn't want exactly what you said to happen. I'm a cripple from birth for god's sake. Last thing I want is for my 50 pounds of muscle dog to either kill me or drag me to a dead child.
Funnily enough, regarding the school shooter vibe, he doesn't play with them. He actively avoids those dogs at the parks. His favorite breeds are goldies and Germans (well, shepherds of all kinds but we get Germans up here the most frequently.)
>Avoids dogs at parks
Red flag. I recognize this behavior from a dog aggressive husky that had been attacked multiple times.
>I swear to god he's not bottled up or fearful
No matter how confident you think you can keep a dog with his instincts there will always be one situation where it doesn't work. Animals are unpredictable to us and you need to admit that what they were bred for will be what they do. A dog that is great with some people can be dangerous in other situations. Hence leash laws and shit. Responsible greyhound owners normally muzzle their dogs in public just in case instead of relying on training, even though their dogs are also very well trained, because with their strong hunting instincts they could be triggered into killing a smaller dog they saw in the distance on a dimly lit day, and also because they give chase at such high speeds that they are likely to injure themselves coming to a stop. Despite the potential danger greyhound deaths are extremely rare and separated by years and years. Shouldn't you follow their lead, with a breed that has a 300+ kill count to its name, mostly because of people like the kind you're turning into?
>i know my dog
>he's a fucking sweetheart
>he knows what he's doing
>he's well trained
>he's just not that kind of dog
>poodles are more aggressive and scary
>poor widdle ol me trained them right
>he would never do that
correct attitude: he's an animal. animals have little to no introspection and poor self control. i acknowledge that the past 200 years of selective breeding that went into this dog were focused on honing directionless aggression into dogfighting ability, and that because my dog was bred to kill other peoples pets, i should make sure that he can not bite others in the case his instincts prove to be stronger than the training.
He avoids SOME dogs at parks. Not most. Not even half. And before he saw a few scuffles, he bugged ALL the dogs. Even the assholes.
> because my dog was bred to kill other peoples pets, i should make sure that he can not bite others in the case his instincts prove to be stronger than the training.
The only times he's not on a leash is when he's with four adults or when he's at the kind of dog park where he's the small dog 90% of the time. I am a cripple, like I said, but I'm a tank and, as much as I joke about him dragging me around, he doesn't drag me anymore now that I've got a bead on how he pulls and the warning signs beforehand. Generally it's "new person. Must love on" or "new dog. must play with." It's all about leverage.
We've got an asshole neighbor who hates us and I'm not giving that Karen an excuse to call the pound on our dog so he's ALWAYS leashed and, after he broke a nylon collar (he wanted to get petted by the neighbor kids,) we use hardier collars/leashes.
I'm not saying it's been smooth sailing but now, after a year and a half, he doesn't rush and the neighbor kids don't rush and scream for him. They ASK if they can pet him and they pet him nicely or they never get within eyeshot of him again. (incidentally, I fucking hate those goddamn kids. I wish they'd leave us alone but modern parenting being what it is... All I can do is control myself and my dog. Get it over with quick and get him the fuck going on our 2 mile laps.)
I'm gonna repeat this once more
Animals are unpredictable due to their poor self control and one slightly different situation can trigger their instincts at which point their tiny mind is no longer in control of their body. Your dog was bred to kill and no matter how nice they seem, they could have those instincts.
You are playing with the lives of chidlren and other dogs. They make muzzles that let dogs open and close their mouths fully, eat, and drink while making it impossible for them to kill anything.
The only difference between a dangerous pitbull and a safe pitbull is the device keeping their teeth away from other shit. Their "kill mode" behavior is nigh unpredictable if discouraged and only predictable (and everpresent) if brought out. Put a muzzle on it.
>Your dog was bred to kill
Weren't all dogs bred to kill though? Survival and shit?
>They make muzzles that let dogs open and close their mouths fully, eat, and drink while making it impossible for them to kill anything.
Link? I wouldn't mind a muzzle like that.
>werent all dogs bred to kill
yeah, like, rabbits, not larger animals.
Most basket muzzles are more open in the bottom so the dog can drink and accept treats.
Basket muzzle. Cheers! Gives me something to buy. Like I said, just because I think he behaves strangely for an APBT doesn't mean I'm not taking precautions.
Now bullies I can see being killer dogs. Without fail, every adult bully we've interacted with has either played dumb, is dumb, or plays close to the vest with their emotions. Really guarded... or REALLY stupid. I hate that Chip gets lumped in with them because he's seriously the smartest dog we've ever had... if you offer him food. And he's smarter than even that because I know that he knows commands he flatly won't do even for chicken.
One thing's for sure, I don't care how killer he might be one day, he's not going to be put in a position where it might come out. His life is very routine-based because that's how I live naturally and I love the little fucker enough to not take risks when it comes to even the potential for an "incident."
But that's not an APBT thing. That's a dog thing. I don't care what breed he could have been. The general rules of caution and routine aren't going to change.
Bull-type terriers are different from rabbit hunters or bird hunters in a few different ways. For one, they are bred specifically for bull fighting, which means that they are typically more aggressive and tenacious than other types of dogs. They also have a very thick neck and head, which helps them better withstand the bull's attacks.
Despite the name, bull type terriers were never used in bull baiting and in fact were a direct result of the practice being banned. A "real" bulldog would have been a lot larger. The actual APBT is long seperated genetically from "actual" bulldogs with huge amounts of terrier admixture. It's a PIT dog, not a bulldog (not to imply that bulldogs are known to shy away from a fight)
Despite what some people believe, Bull-Type Terriers were actually used in bull baiting. These dogs were smaller and more nimble than actual bulldogs, which made them better suited for this activity. Bull-Type Terriers have long been genetically seperated from actual bulldogs, and as a result, they are much different dogs.
>he wanted to get petted by the neighbors kids
>He avoids other dogs
>Well no akcually he avoids SOME other dogs
>He doesn't show aggression
>Based anon says not showing signs of irritation is actually worse
>Well akchually he does show SOME of that behavior
Stop changing what you claim each time you are thrown objectively good arguments in your face, you filthy fucking weasel. We can tell you made this post to suck yourself off and prove to le Wauf that pitbulls aren't dangerous because "i have a pitbull (akchually i don't know what he is but everyone says he is a pitbull teehee) but he isn't dangerous see". I hope your retard dog snaps and bites your leg off, or some other dog kills it before it can ever harm children/smaller dogs you irresponsible piece of shit cunt.
if that is your dog it looks a hell of alot like mine, and im pretty sure shes a dogo argentino. look them up, because the characteristics match mines behavior. i was also confused as to why she didnt act more pibble like. i mean it takes a LOT to piss her off. even if you do she will just lightly bite you. my last dog was a black lab who i trained to get pissed on command by associating messing with her with a particular sound. she would chase me around tables it was funneh.
but my dogo just never gets mad. i have not pissed her off once. and i have tried. but she makes a good speed training partner because of it. i should take video of it since i have learned to be as fast as her, but you could not even see it. dbz level.
He's too small to be a DA. He's only 50 pounds and he's not tall enough. My roommate's a huge fan of Crowder and he's got a DA that's damn near the spitting image of Chip too but, according to the embark thing we had done, he's not only an APBT, he's ONLY APBT. Plus he's way more outgoing than a DA. Even though he doesn't play with many dogs anymore, he greets all of them at the parks.
Of late, he's taken to sitting/laying in the sun. Beats him wanting to go for walks in this fucking heat. This was his most recent demand to go outside (I have shaky hands and a godawful tablet so apologies for the quality.
Looks like an American Bulldog (scott type)/American bulldog mix. Petey from Little rascals is an example. People often misttook him for a pitbull.
It's basically a pitbull in common parlance
if you consider that people identify every bulldog type and some mastiff types as pitbulls, sure, it seems like the attack counts are inflated. but then consider this same duck-test identification system is applied to other dogs.
Brown wolfdog? German shepherd. Silver wolfdog? Husky. Inuit dog? Husky. White husky? Samoyed. White german shepherd? Husky. Reverse mask german shepherd? Husky. Solid brown/black husky? German shepherd.
Longer haired labrador? Golden retriever. Shorter coated golden retriever? Lab. Curly coated lab? Poodle. Particularly ugly male lab? Well actually that one's a pitbull.
Rhodesian ridgeback? Pitbull. No, bulldog. Viszla? Rhodesian ridgeback. Actually both those dogs are labs. nevermind.
i'm not 100% sure labs, pitbulls, belgian mals, or huskies really exist as well defined, standard-meeting, pedigreed breeds in the US anymore unless you go to pro show breeders. most people just mix them with sufficiently similar dogs to get the desired result so everyone will be confused from trying to pin a single breed name on a bunch of more general purpose mutts that aren't trying for a highly specific and consistent aesthetic. when a breed is common enough or actually used for work, everything the kennel clubs fought for vanishes fast.
Like I said in the OP. I'm not saying it's definitive. In fact, it probably isn't. But it's all we've got to go on. The shelter said he's a terrier/pit mix. I don't know how I'd even get a proper breed out of him beyond that embark thing (which I am so glad my ex-roommate bought for me so I didn't have to spend my own money.)
If he does go crazy, I'll post the story here. More likely, when he dies of old age having had exactly zero school shooter outbursts, I will also post that here too.
I'm not saying my dog's not like the other pitbulls. I haven't met another pure APBT to test him with. I've met bullies. I've met English Bulldogs mixed with bullies. Met two tonight as a matter of fact (DUUUUMB but lovable.) What I'm saying is he's not like what I've read and heard APBTs are supposed to be. He's not aggressive to anything bigger than a rabbit or squirrel and we've redirected that to rabbit and squirrel toys. He's CERTAINLY not as active as an APBT is supposed to be. Even as a puppy he was subdued. He doesn't play anything close to the vest anymore now that he knows he's stuck with us, a bunch of hearts on our sleeves assholes.
I honestly don't think I've got an APBT because he just isn't gelling with what I've heard. For one thing, he's WAY smarter than he should be.
Here's some video my wife's taken over the year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K67WenEElw&list=PLm2EwWJQPvCFQMNY2AnDpvQ09KDUcTMs-
I mean, nobody is saying pitbulls can't be friendly dogs. my cousin has a pitbull and when I'm forced to attend family gatherings at this place I keep my distance from the pit but at least he seems gentle. the thing is that when a pit snaps (and they probably will) it won't be just some superficial bite that you wash with water and it's fine, like with most other dogs. pitbulls have wide mouths, strong jaws, and high tolerance to pain, and they will only let go once they rip whatever they were biting off, or they're killed. pitbulls in their day to day lives act like any other dog, the same way a serial killer also has a job, comes home to his kids, goes out with his friends etc. a large chunk of pitbull attacks happens with people's own dog, with pitbulls that were raised by loving families, eventually snapping.
of course, there is a possibility your pit and many others will never snap in their life and will die by natural causes without ever wreaking havoc. but just because some people have stepped on landmines that didn't go off, doesn't mean that all landmines are safe, and most importantly, that you should be bringing your landmine places so unsuspecting people can step on them.
at least, keep your pit inside your home so if it snaps, it only affects you. if you bring your pit outdoors, then I hope you have enough money to pay for some kids medical bills when their face is disfigured by your dog.
I carry a gun and replaced my buck 110 with an assisted opening dagger specifically because of pitbull owners. Saw one off leash today being trailed by a tall, scrawny black guy who would probably be torn in half if he got tangled in a leash with that thing. My dog was tense and was starting to growl a pittle due to witnessing pitbulls fighting before and i was afraid that would trigger the velvet murderhippo into attacking her while the owner screamed “YOUR PUSSY DOG STARTED IT BY GIVING A BETTER DOG SHIT TALK RESPECT MUH ALPHA PUPPER”. Thankfully it got into a fence-fight with another dog so i could get the fuck off that street without it giving chase. God knows i’d have to shoot more than just the dog.
exception=/=rule. im sure he a gud boi. just let us know when he degloves your face. and dont pull this
>durrrrr is a pitbull a *insert specific breed of original bull baiting dog*
>pit bulls dont heckin exist bigots!
we all know what the fuck a pit bull is, youre not muddying any waters here. waste of a thread now fuck off
I'm not trying to muddy any fuckin' waters here. I'm trying to see either if my gud boi IS an APBT like the site said or, if he is, why he hasn't been any of the trouble I was told I'd be in for.
And I already said I would tell Wauf one way or another. Either I shoot him myself after he murders a child or a doctor shoots him up because he's too old and in too much pain... or he dies in his sleep.
You're talking about 10-15 years of "is today the day he snaps and kills a child? Idk, let's go to the dog park!"
I don't associate with children if I can help it. Realistically, we're moving in about 5 years once the housing market stabilizes so we'll have a house/property with a fenced backyard so at the very least, if he does attack per
he'll only attack one of us.
>if he is, why he hasn't been any of the trouble I was told I'd be in for.
Personally, I've never accepted breed=temperament. There's some behavior that I would call genetic (pointing, for example), but I think most of personality is developed.
The issue is one of physiology.
The difference between a really chill or a really aggressive Chihuahua or Bassett Hound is very rarely a matter of life and death.
I would make an analogy of driving. Some dogs are like driving at 20 mph, and some are like driving at 100 mph. The breed of dog (speed) is not an indicator of temperament ( good driving).
Ignoring reaction time, a car at 20 can be just as likely to not drive safe or have an accident.
But IF an accident happens, the car at 100 mph will be much more damaging than one at 20 mph.
Why would you accept those very specific behaviors as genetically promoted but not temperment? Let go of your own biases for a moment - the domestic dog exists primarily from us manipulating genetics to decide temperment because every unhinged mutt got put down. Also Pitfags love whining about Chihuahuas but those runts get aggressive out of pure terror. They are small and like any cornered animal facing something 100x its mass, they feel the need to overcompensate out of insecurity. Not because they were bred to ignore the thrashings of a large animal and bite on during a game of bull baiting.
>Why would you accept those very specific behaviors as genetically promoted but not temperment?
Because they track with genetics while temperament does not.
Not it isn't.
I very specifically said the difference in specimen that is relevant.
Learn to read.
There is no scientific evidence to support the claim that "very specific behaviors track with genetics while temperament does not." The idea that temperament is not influenced by genetics is contradicted by a large body of research showing that temperament is, in fact, heritable. For example, a study of over 5,000 twins found that temperament traits such as activity level, fearfulness, and sociability are under significant genetic influence. Therefore, it is inaccurate and misleading to say that temperament does not track with genetics.
>The idea that temperament is not influenced by genetics
Strawman. Never said that.
>There is no scientific evidence to support the claim that "very specific behaviors track with genetics while temperament does not
The evidence is that some breeds are known to spontaneously exhibit very specific behaviors that other breeds dont, while temperament is varied and uncorrelated to breed.
>a study of over 5,000 twins
We are talking about dogs.
It is very dishonest to go to a study of humans.
But if you wish, the studies of human temperament make it very clear that from the beginning they define temperament as biological in nature, and differentiate it from the non-biological, termed character. Thus it becomes perfectly inevitable that what is called temperament - separated from anything non-biological - would be determined to be biological.
It is dishonest to claim that temperament is not influenced by genetics when there is a great deal of scientific evidence to support this claim. Temperament is a complex trait that is influenced by many different genes, and the environment in which a dog is raised can also play a role in shaping temperament. However, there is no doubt that genetics plays a significant role in temperament, and there are many examples of very specific behaviors that are linked to specific breeds of dogs. For example, herding dogs are known to spontaneously exhibit herding behavior, while other breeds of dogs do not. This is just one example of how genetics can influence temperament.
The heritability of aggressive behavior is a well accepted and proven fact. Even in humans.
>Personally, I've never accepted breed=temperament.
>There's some behavior that I would call genetic.
>but not this one.
>because it's not a favorable trait.
>only good traits are genetic- bad traits are only from how people raise them.
You're part of the reason the world is turning to shit. Oblivious to reality and the belief that all specimens of a given species are equal.
yes you are gay. you clearly have a pit bull under the colloquial definition. by asking if he is one specific breed or the other, you are obfuscating that point. of course not literally every pitbull is going to be a ravenous monster just like every retriever wont make a good hunting dog. youd have to be a total retard to think
>if x then 100% y
but also the point is you will not know when these things are going to snap. zero warning of it
>zero warning of it
That's physiologically and psychologically impossible. There are always, without exception, patterns in behavior and physiology. We may not be able to speak dog or anything gay like that but NOTHING happens for no reason.
You might think that the dog is fine because he hasn't shown any violent tendencies in the past, but you can't predict when a dog will suddenly snap. Just because the dog has been good in the past does not mean that he won't attack in the future. It's important to be cautious with any animal that has the potential to be dangerous.
Well said. Your words are wasted on deaf ears, however. The pit owner won't listen to any reason, not even after getting mauled.
>Second, the kind of aggression a game pitbull has is on a hair trigger and they do not come in swinging. They have an incel school shooter temperament. These are very submissive, biddable, nice-guy dogs at first. It's when they feel afraid or threatened that they are extremely likely to bite, and they do so without showing overt warning signs and they skip all the defensive/warning bites.
I've owned Pitbull breeds (mostly the APBT) and they all have this behaviour.
My uncle owns a Pitty who's an absolute people person (to his family) but the second he hears a knock on the door or a cat climb a fence or even a kid running down the road he's fucking beserk, he will kill anything at any time, he wasn't raised to be friendly with people, he was raised to protect his family. So without the socialisation he's scared of strangers and obviously will fuck them up if they come near him.
Any dog with a prey drive should be banned for that reason. It's simply too neurotic. Even Jack Russels, while very smart dogs, are neurotic for that reason. Neurotic dogs with a strong prey drive can NEVER be 100% socialized. A GOOD dog is a socialized dog. Even if a dog isn't TRAINED well and can't "sit" or "roll over," as long as he is SOCIALIZED he will make a good trustworthy and non-aggressive pet that you don't have to worry about.
Way to out yourself for being unable to train or manage any dog that requires a more competent owner than the standard entry level lab.
That's the whole point! The average person doesn't train their dog at all, let alone have the ability to train a working breed. You really think the average NPC should have access to Pitbulls for example?
Yes. A dictatorship is the answer to the democratic problem. Let me guess... you voted for Cuckservatives?
I think the average NPC should have access to PREY DRIVEN dogs not necessarily HUMAN AGGRESSIVE ones. A dog that kills small animals is no different from a pet cat. You might like the cats they kill but people also like the rats and birds a cat kills. It's no different. People have a right to pest control on their property.
Fuck even dog aggressive dogs are alright. Do you know why? Because dog-dog interaction is not socially mandated. Dogs can be transported in cages and leash laws exist. Only dog-human interactions are fully mandated. A dog can not exist without interacting with strange humans at some point, even if kept chained and confined to your property. Ergo only stranger-aggressive guard dogs like bulldogs, modern malinois, GSD, rottweilers that can go from guod buoye reddit pupper to "the only good stranger is a dead stranger" fast are worth regulating, because that's the equivalent to having an automatic minigun turret running on some shoddy AI bolted to your ceiling, while a prey driven dog is more like being allowed to have a .22 rifle to shoot varmints and setting out rat poison.
That's not true though. Cats are not the same as prey driven terriers for example. Plenty of cats don't get neurotic and kill small animals just because. That's something stray cats do or cats that are left outdoors during developemental stages. My indoor cats do not attack things and kill them. There is a reason that most dog attacks are from prey drive dogs like terriers. These dogs are bred to be absolutely high strung. Ever been around Jack Russell terriers? Yeah... regardless, cats are acting upon natural instinct, prey drive dogs were bred to be unnatural killing machines with mental issues. I would never keep those breeds around small children, even though they can be trained to be good pets by experienced people. People being able to own working breeds and not using them for what they were intended for just harms the dog gene pool and breed anyways.
Terriers are both aggressive and predatory. Regular prey drive as in a greyhound is compatible with a pet and mirrors the hunting’s instinct of a good ratting cat, but dogs are intelligent active hunters so pursuit, rather than stealth, is their mode of operation. Cats do not instinctively chase anything that can see them coming because they’re easily fooled and usually lose the prey if it hodes, while dogs will find it if it tries to hide and find a way to get it out. Ultimately it sounds like you’re either confused or just mad that dogs are allowed to dispose of outdoor cats aka vermin.
Purely prey driven dogs, ie: sight hounds, are THE safest breeds around people.
what's the mental illness of a hunting dog? I bet you will say omg le cute doggo pupper to a goofy retriever even despite if you put a duck on it's face it will go "mentally ill" as you say. also I didn't say the cats had prey drive, I said when any average dog sees a stray cat is the same reaction a Pitbull has when sees another dog.
Pitbulls don't have prey drive towards people in most cases. And if there's a case it has, it won't eat anyone either because the owner isn't neither in the city nor retarded like most pibble moms and other people on average, down the level of big chungus redditors of stupidity and ignorance.
Pitbulls don't really have prey drive at all and don't need it for their job. Prey drive is a pit mommy psyop to equate pit bulls with greyhounds and huskies that, at the worst, and rarely, might bite at a writhing, screeching newborn in a tragic situation created by sheer owner (furbaby pet parent) incompetence. Many, many otherwise aggressive pitbulls will totally lack it but they can also incidentally have it due to ratting terrier ancestry or being bred as hog dogs. But, their primary job in dogfighting involves 0 prey drive. Their options are fear aggression and dominance aggression. Some hoodrat lines will be territorial.
Why? Cats are vermin. Rabbits are vermin. Rats are vermin. Foxes are vermin. Prey driven dogs kill vermin. How is that a problem? Even stray dogs are vermin, so dog aggressive breeds are entirely justified.
Banning them would be like banning guns. Their danger to the innocent originates entirely in human choices and entitlement.
You have a pet rat? That's nice. Don't release it and give me a rat problem. I am entitled to owning an animal that kills vermin so long as I do not set it out on your property to kill your private stock of "pet" vermin. Wanting them banned because say, my borzoi will murder any cats that intrude on my yard, is like wanting guns banned because I can shoot you for breaking into my house.
>you're not well socialized i was just trying to get my kids christmas presents
All dogs are vermin by your logic. Just because someone "owns" a dog makes it vermin? That's not very good logic. 75% of dogs I come across are untrained and misbehave. I love dogs, cats, and other animals... but the reality is that the average person is so fucking irresponsible, it would just be better(for the animals too) if they weren't allowed to just "own" them at will. Do you know how many people just discard their pets when they don't feel like taking care of them anymore, or when they have to move, ect?...
>All dogs are vermin
Massive leap of logic.
A dog is vermin when it is a destructive stray that is not wanted on public property and is entering private property without the consent of the owner. Much like a cat or a rat. I do not want your cat clawing and digging shit. I do not want your dog chewing shit. I do not want your rat chewing its way into my house. Ergo I have a right to own an animal that attacks these things, so long as it is safe for people to be around it.
This is how cats can be puts but vermin. And wild animals that are part of nature in the woods are vermin when they're in the alley or nesting in your attic.
Prey driven dogs are in fact fucking fine and the most prey driven breeds on earth also have the lowest bite and fatality rates
Wrong. Small terrier breeds actually have the highest bite occurence worldwide... but since they don't often fatally wound people, it goes underreported. I work with dogs for a living, and I cannot tell you how many people have Westies, yorkies, you name it... that bite them regularly. they get a pass because they're small. I would argue that anyone who gets a terrier as a non-working dog is a retard anyways. It shows how little they know about dog breeds and instead pick based on looks.
Again terriers are way more than just prey driven. They are legitimately aggressive beyond what a natural hunter would be to increase their kill rate and get them to continue attacking even when the prey is dangerous and fighting back rather than scared.
For example the average cat killing dog will first provoke a reaction. They do not attack until the cat runs to minimize their own risk. This is pure prey drive. A terrier will just kill it even if the cat bluffs or attacks.
Cat-killing dogs get a bullet. A good dog is one that doesn't go apeshit when it sees another animal. Unsocialized dogs are a nuisance to the world. No different than the Coyotes people love to kill.
Then bird killing cats get the bullet. Or perhaps, tins of tuna and tylenol. I see it no differently.
If my dog dies to some catfucker no cat will live anywhere i can hide and check baits ever again.
Oh wait, that’s all cats isn’t it? Say, are you a vegan? Is your cat also a vegan? If not you are in shaky ethical ground.
cat killing dog = removes nuisance animal from private property
how is that a nuisance? your cat shouldn’t be in someone elses fenced yard. that act of trespass is a nuisance.
>They do not attack until the cat runs
Funny enough cats have adapted to this mostly, if a cat is scared of something they won't even turn away from it until it is almost right on top of them or turns away. Most dog on cat violence videos usually show dogs attacking cats from frozen squatting positions actually.
Inadvertently tigers normally won't attack animals unless they aren't being seen, which is why some villagers wear masks with eyes on the back of their heads to reduce the risk of being attacked.
>by your logic.
Go back to plebbit
I stopped seeing reddit everywhere when I got off that site anon you should try it too
>According to your logic.
>Government should make owning dogs illegal.
Plebbitor communist detected.
pitbull owners are vermin
we should breed dogs to attack stray pitbull owners tbh
maybe really big, muscular wolf-collie mixes that instinctively hunt down the scent of retardation but are smart enough to be totally safe otherwise
This. My flatmate had a young red nose that seemed chill as fuck. One day he was walking past and patted him while he was asleep, it startled the dog and he latched onto his arm and shook just like you described. He pried him off by grabbing around his nose and upper canines and ended up getting a heap of stitches. Pretty cool to watch happen. I get the dog was startled but it went from 0-100 in a split second and it was lucky that it bit a 120kg islander rather than a small kid.
they should print this post in dog training books
Saving this, generally w good explanation on generic behaviour, perhaps soemthing like this could be put into (shit) serial killer type minds as well for lacking a lot of warning instincts
One of my relatives has an akita but I feel like the aggression it gives off is more telling since it will bark first. Beautiful and protective dog though.
>pitbulls are based incels who don't want to drink corn syrup
wtf I want a pitbull now.
Your dog looks like my 7 months old pup, just he has one black ear.
Also, cute dog.