If given the chance, would you have sex with and reproduce with a Neanderthal woman?
If given the chance, would you have sex with and reproduce with a Neanderthal woman?
If given the chance, would you have sex with and reproduce with a Neanderthal woman?
Only if I loved her.
Sex? Sure. Reproduce? Can't, infertile. Found out incidentally when I went to the doctor for something else last year.
Isn't it technically rape?
No. Fucking retards would eventually reason that having sex with someone that doesn't speak the same language as you is rape because they might not understand that in your culture you are not desirable and should not have sex because you listen to the wrong bands or some other stupid woman logic (instinct say control man's access to puss!). But they're wrong. What's next, can't fuck anyone under an arbitrary education level? Can't fuck people with certain political and religious beliefs?
it stops being rape when:
1: They are fully developed and their entire mind isn't about to undergo a radical change that will re-contextualize everything that happened to them thus far
2: they are smart enough to reason out a future consequence like "if i stretch my asshole to take dick, i might shit myself because my asshole is loose and saggy" or "i shouldn't go anywhere near that dick because it has warts and sores and those might be contagious".
Being human, even a somewhat dumb human, is enough to satisfy 1 and 2.
i once had a very white-left asian man tell me asian women exploited and basically raped men of other races because "all asians think THOSE women are ugly". top jej moment.
He's not off. Standards of attractiveness differ based on culture. Most are based on signs of health and wealth. There's a lot of ugly Asian women, since not everyone can afford plastic surgery or the long skin and hair care routines. They tend to not be as fat though. Desperate guys that feel rejected by those they find attractive in their own race, whether they just feel that way or have actually put in the work is another debate, can find "ugly" girls of other ethnicities to date. I went to a college with a lot of Chinese international students. The guys would never score with white women, and the women would get a loser white guy to boss around. Was interesting to see those dynamics play out over and over again.
Is it really rape?
Asians are used to everyone looking slightly feminine. Whites are the opposite. Is anyone being manipulated if a taller, more masculine asian woman the other asians call "ugly" fucks off to date people who are more like her?
Are whites who aren't up to warrior race standards really losers if they fit in more with subdued and neotenous asians? No, they're winners. The losers are the ones trying and failing until they end up with a trailer trash right wing crackhead chick thinking "at least i dated within my own race".
Nah I never said it was rape and won't defend that point. Though I can see why this frustrated asian guy acted the way he did.
If he has a problem with it he can go find some extra-feminine white chick with a low sex drive instead of the usual african-like norm for whites
No, they are still humans but are a different species of human. Denisovans are also human and Asians are related to them.
Is croods 2 any good. I remember being okay with the first.
NO
I've fucked american women before, yes.
>women descend from Arabs
I laugh every time
at first I thought it was a racist meme pic but garden gnomes, Dutch, and women all being closely related makes a lot of sense
I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the machine is immortal.
>Poles evolving from Toasters
>Lemurs evolving from the Vietnamese
>Orientals evolving from fucking lemurs
poles didn't evolve from toasters, toasters evolved from poles
But what did Germans evolve from?
No.
>never mind the weak brow ridge
>I'm proud to have you as my son in law
I'm pretty sure he'd say "OOOK ARGH FAARG BLARRRG" instead
>Father, this chud's making subspeciesist jokes
>Let's bounce
Neanderthals were able to speak and had complex believes. There’s abundant evidence that they participated in homo sapiens societies and coexisted.
So can abos
Neanderthals were better than blacks and abos, I have no doubt. ~~*Cro-Magnons*~~ used their tricknology to genocide the noble Neanderchads after they won every lifting competition
And what did AMHs use their brains for? TRICKS
everthing about neanderthal crainal morphology points towards a result that would match whatver humans would become if there was extrem positive selection towards masculine and autistic traits, whatever physical remains they left of their culture seems to point towards an extremely engineering and mathmatical path of creativity in their mindset, a species just as intelligent as humans but with an entirely different lean on their mindset, it's a shame we lost them, together we would have been limitless with our colourful intelligence and their intuition we would already be among the stars
Yeah, not a basketball family. My sons need those Neanderthal wrestling genes.
To my (limited) understanding, they were roughly around modern human intelligence (give or take a few IQ points), so sure.
Honest answer: Depends on how black it looks
When in the cave do as the cave people do. Who am i to pretend i am better than my ancestors
man, I'd fuck any women
as a disciple of VHEMT I'm ridiculously against humanoid reproduction
however if it's just the banging part I might consider it, but for fucks sake if the smell is off-putting as I think it is the deal's off
Why are you still alive hypocrite? Off yourself. You don't need to be hear to talk. Leave a stone tablet and fuck off.
>hairy
>stinky
>dumb
No.
Isn't that just a human woman who does not shave or shower?
The only reason I don't have sex with animals is because I can't impregnate them.
Sasquatch = Earlier Homo?
Would it be possible to clone them back to life using the dna found in their bones, or at least make a movie about it?
Hot
why does this exact thread exist on both Wauf and /co/? was one board not enough for you?
Wauf too
no
Our Neanderthal DNA came from somewhere.
Definitely not
damn our ancestors had no chill if they raped that out of existence
I guess even stone age homo sapiens women were grating and trying
When I was 12 I read a scifi (?) novel about a young female scientist who started working on this project where they reverse engineered a Homo Erectus. The catch was that any woman that came into his enclosure was immediately overtaken with lust and the primal need to breed.
I really don't know why it was in our school library but I am pretty sure that's what gave me my orc fetish/teratophilia.
I would become grug's third wife and bear his children proudly.
this sounds like thinly veiled erotica lol
Yeah it did! I really don't know why it was in a middle school library. But if I remember correctly there wasn't anything explicit aside from the nudity and references to earlier scientists having to be pulled out of the cage before breeding happened.
Arooga.
That whole post is really interesting. Do you have any literature on the subject?
There's also a 2019 movie Wilhelm about a cloned neanderthal dude.
That's pretty neat. Do you have red hair?
I did a lot of online searching and I am 99% convinced pic rel is it. Jane Reloaded. It's a german book though, don't think you'd find a translation.
I might reread it now that I found it.
https://www.science.org/content/article/how-neanderthals-lost-their-y-chromosome
On the missing Neanderthal Y chromosome.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1011553108
Neanderthal Patrilocal residence patterns (IE bride trading).
Awesome, thanks a lot.
>canadian being a slightly chubbier scandinavian
Stop.
Frighteningly human.
Glad someone found the papers of use.
m-muh names grug
the garden gnomes at 23 and me (inb4 pol, they are based out of tel aviv and i gave the mormons at ancestry my DNA too) say i have more neaderthal markers in than 91 percent of the population
damn i type and proof read like a caveman
please forgib
me am just want sapian haram
That's weird, since I thought most Europeans, Asians, etc. were more than 2% Neanderthal. So I would expect someone who was 'more Neanderthal' than 91% of people to have more than 2% Neanderthal ancestry. I doubt that they have enough Black customers to really skew it, but IDK.
Do you exhibit any stereotypical Neanderthal traits like a large braincase (long skull), heavy build, exceptional strength, prominent brow-ridge, or weak chin?
Prominent prow ridge yes. The brain case maybe. Strength relative to my size is also a yes
but I'm very lean and skinny with quite long arms I've had several mma fights and never been knocked out and always been able to take more damage than my opponents while not really loosing stamina which I do attribute to my genetics. But I'm 5'5 and like 130 ish pounds.
Anon can't into math.
What % of human population are Europeans that didn't mutt themselves?
Right around 9-10%
So yeah this just says anon is a yuropoor or their descent but written for retards as a big surprising factoid.
well now you gotta tell us what scifi story this was that you read. I'm curious
>mate with what is considered a 10/10 in my home country of Bongland
>get strongest son ever who may be the next ozzy osborne
Where is the downside?
How tf does Ozzy come in to this lol?
iirc, ozzy has some sort of genetic thing that makes him way more resistant to narcotics.
Not sure exactly what that has to do with ungas, but there's that.
Yes. Yes I would.
Ozzy was invited to participate in some new genetic research thing once, it was found he was directly related to a neanderthal and a survivor from Pompeii. He has a variant on one of his genes that enabled him to survive the amounts of alcohol and drugs that would have killed dozens of other people.
Thats rough, anon. You fry your boys with something or just got bad luck?
I'm more into sexy humanoid aliens.
Only Aryans
no. i will mate with a neanderthal woman but i will only have descendents with "pure" homo sapiens sapiens
>pure homo sapiens sapiens
>post neanderthal/wolf/homo cross
Here you go bro.
Is this what the "experts" postulate neanderthals mixed with in Europe?
Even if we assume that neanderthals were somehow really fucking dumb brutes, I don't see them doing that. Even racemixed dogs have hostile reactions to nogs. So either our ancestors did not look like that, or they were someone else entirely.
>Sapiens and Neanderthal split off 250,000 to 1 million years ago
>Neanderthal moves to the frozen north.
>Gains white skin and higher IQ than Sapiens.
>Sapiens lives in Africa so no need to change much.
>Some adventurous Sapiens move north. These are called Cromagnons.
>Over a period of hundreds of thousands of years, some Cromagnons mate with Neanderthal.
>The Cromanderthals that exhibit the most helpful traits of both get an edge over the competition and spread their genes much more.
>Negative traits are culled by nature.
>Eventually they travel more and become the ancestors of every non-african.
>tfw no neanderthal cave gf to go hunting and gathering with
I could get that experience by traveling to Australia.
if they looked like that with such appealing swedish-styled orange tan skin and beautiful green eyes, i would fuck and try my best to get her pregnant
abos have a bigger browridge than the modern average, but they're completely within the sapiens standards. abos are nowhere near as robust as neanderthals (or early sapiens too)
wew those abbos looked pretty good. the modern ones are ogres
why do abos look like black people, but are considered a different group entirely? this has always confused me
Because they're not related? They're more related to the dark skinned indians.
Abos descend from SEAs that crossed over by boat
Damn, abos are kinda sexy when they aren't obese as fuck
>Good morning sir
fuck, beat me to it
The problem is you assume they look human
I hope you don’t have a gay alien baby skull like on the left.
i ga chu senpai
the biggest challenge is getting their soft tissue right, especially the nose. we can assume the nose was big, but the shape is 100% guesswork
also some later neanderthal individuals were visibly more gracile than the earlier ones and were starting to develop a protruding chin
If they were still around they would be called another race.
>literally not even human
jesus christ
Really? Define what a human is.
There's only human in that pic
top left, homo sapiens
Okay, which one of you bastards let Diogenes in?
>implying were the humans and they're the 'other'
They're the original. We're the cheap, shitty copy.
They look a lot less humans than abos do.
Try to wrap you head around what that means for their intelligence.
>bigger brain cases
Odds are they would only see stupid to you because of the different education they received and you would appear witless, insensate, and weak in their eyes.
Oh, no. A chimp thinks I'm weak.
Of course you focus on that, rather than insensate and witless.
Those are ambiguous terms, but I don't think a primitive species would have better cognitive abilities in any sense.
>primitive species
Here’s your problem. Until the end of their time on earth, when the last holdouts (that hadn’t been absorbed into Eurasian Homo sapiens populations) were isolate and inbred dying populations, they were every bit as technologically developed as every other hominid. They had art, complex tools (including drills), Hispanices they added to their food for taste alone, and language. They had a less generalized ecological niche and a lower population, but (with the exception of the inbred last holdouts), there is no reason to consider them more primitive than your own ancestors from 80,000 years ago, and the principle difference between your ancestors and you is cultural complexity and what sort of knowledge is considered an important part of your basic education, not intelligence or physiology.
>le arts and crafts
Sorry, being on par with a 3 year old doesn't make you smart.
The other humans were also on the level of a 3 year old. As is anyone that doesn’t go to school.
Europeans weren’t even really civilized until an epoch of war, disease, and famine selected out the morons
Shout laughter at Ritalin powered rant
I think these inter-homo discussions bring out a primitive competitiveness in anons.
It's kind of funny and cute.
Now look at the skulls from the side.
Note the length
face length is equal
Just ake a look at the similarites in overall dimension and proportion, the later neanderthal had become very similar to humans, they were basically the same but with and extreme masculine form, like a human would be expected to look with less neoteny and effeminate hormones.
However their relative lack of mastoid process and relatively small increase in their orbital bone and teeth thickness points towards being a less violent species as far as interpersonal conflict is concerned, i've always been perplexed at humanities warlike tendencies and I think it's our relative lack of enviromental challenge led to us being more competetive amongst ourselves whereas neaderthals having historically lived in difficult climates would have led to a much more cooperative society with no tribal rivalry. It's a shame we were more successful than them but would they have ever developed the kind of technology we have without war, they may have become like an eternal stone age peaceful/ritualistic society with technology more like Mayans or Incas if they had been left to their own wills.
I doubt they were peaceful. Self control is a prefrontal cortex function. Which the study you're replying to says was smaller in them.
>people will always use this to go "see? le abbos and morons are subhuman!!!!!!!"
I find this shit immensely fascinating, we have an honest to god different subspecies of human living among us right fucking now, and everyone is too afraid of the social and political backlash of researching it, or even researching the actual evolutionary differences between all of the other races.
We could learn so much about our own history and where we used to fit in on an ecological level, but no, extremist gays need to ruin it for everyone, and now we just need to sit here and pretend we can never figure out our own "mysterious past".
>homo seasonus policus
>Tfw we'll never discover secret of the universe because of racist chimps
Are different dog breeds different species of dog because of their skulls?
Unironically yes. Humans had to transport them around the globe to force interbreeding, and sometimes assist the mating process.
No they're not, they can give birth to fertile offspring with no major health defects, that's the one constant in determining if a species is actually a different species in every definition of the word "species"
>Tigers and lions are the same species
A pitbull and a shiba inu are not the same species
Mating is barely physically possible
Being able to use artificial insemination to force hybridization will result in mentally ill animals that don't fit into either niche, an immediate case of outbreeding depression. They are neither fighting dogs, nor trustworthy working comapnions.
Ligers and Tigons have brith defects and their potential cubs have even worse birth defects. Also iirc all purebreds that interpreted just produce mutts, which are healthier than the "pure" breeds.
I'm not an expert either but every definition of species I've come across uses that as its parameter, I'm not familiar with ring species though so I may look it up later.
from what I know, that's sort of like the quick and easy definition of species that's generally true but in actuality classification of life is a lot more complicated with grey areas that make it impossible to apply that definition in all cases. More of a guideline than a rule for classification.
The science behind this isn't really always exact or consistent and it's mostly just human ideas imposed onto nature.
My opinion on the argument (humans/dogs being multiple different species/microspecies) is that it's not really black and white anyways. The scientific community that decides they're all one species could probably just as easily decide they aren't and it's not really important, it's just sort of a label. It doesn't make the differences between races/breeds go away or manifest new ones.
>The scientific community that decides they're all one species could probably just as easily decide they aren't and it's not really important, it's just sort of a label.
I agree and these types of reasoning are killing the sterile debates.
A black and a white are not the same species
Mating is barely physically possible.
Being able to use artificial insemination to force hybridization will result in mentally ill children that don't fit into either niche, an immediate case of outbreeding depression. They are neither beasts, nor trustworthy hardworkers.
I'm not a scientist or anything, but I'm pretty sure there are several different species (but same genus) capable of interbreeding without defects. Ring species is a phenomenon where this comes up. Say there are 5 species in the same genus and they can all interbreed except 1 and 5 can't with each other. Outside of that, they can all interbreed. At least that's my understanding of it. I might just be talking out of my ass
that's the exact same thing that happens in linguistics
determining the dividing line between languages can be really hard, so you end up with a thing called dialect continuum.
you have, say, 5 similar dialects, all ostensibly of the same language. dialect 1 and 2 are really similar, 1 and 3 are already pretty different, but by the time 1 and 5 come around all similarity is lost
I would say it is similar to colors. We humans make arbitrary categories for what is red, green or blue but those are entirely artificial separations to make it easier for us to study the world. Sure nobody will question that deep blue and green are different colors (or different shades of the same color if you consider blue and green as the same category) but where it stops being blue and starts being green is purely arbitrary. Same goes to species, what exist are a bunch of individuals each one with their unique dna, we group some of them as a species and others as a different species but in nature the boundaries are not that clear. A bunch of animals, plants, etc can breed with different species, some even with different genus, some are more tolerant to genetic oddities than others and sometimes new species form from hybrids.
the eternal struggle:
humans like categories, but the world is chaotic
this. it's why I both understand and hate the purity spiraling that occurs sometimes. it makes actual discussion on the topic impossible. no human being alive today is "pure". purebred H.sapiens doesn't exist anymore. even the nilotics in africa have trace amounts of introgression from other populations.
this is unironically the correct response. there's an entire line of "people" out there who's only evidence we have for existing at all is ancient genetic evidence and the fact we found them attractive enough to hump. I'd like to know everything about these people if possible.
anon really wants snu-snu
>they can give birth to fertile offspring with no major health defects, that's the one constant in determining if a species is actually a different species
debunked
some animals like birds can make hybrids with distant species
>they can give birth to fertile offspring with no major health defects
As do coyotes and wolves, yet none would say they are the same species.
>What is the pumapard (Puma concolor x Panthera pardus)
>What is the beefalo (Bison bison x Bos tauros/aurochs)
I know that feel. I don't have anything against any other races but I wish we could be ruthless with our research. The differences between humans are very interesting. We consider a bird with one different colored feather living in the same region as its relative that it can interbreed with a subspecies but people that look radically different and are native to opposite sides of the planet are apparently exactly the same for whatever reason.
come on, we all know who infected the scientific community with political "correctness" for their obscure objectives
Heckin poltard chuddies created racism awareness and now we can't research BLACK BVLLS...
we unironically should research them to learn more about the west african ghost hominid that only they're related to
if it's fertile i'd fuck it
Our ancestors probably fucked a pretty neanderthal girl like pic related
Is she looked like that and had a pleasant disposition then sure.
There is something kind of hot about the idea of a woman so simple and intellectually inferior to you that she is essentially a breeding pet.
Cave garden gnomes were smarter than you chud
>a woman so simple and intellectually inferior to you
There is no reason to believe that Neanderthals are intellectually inferior to Sapiens.
The ideal woman is one that has the mental capability to only clean themselves, survive, take care of children and prepare food.
The hot idea is that neanderthals were physically and mentally superior but the men were not as huge coomers as human men so we fucked all their women while they were building atlantis
>the men were not as huge coomers as human men so we fucked all their women
Actually genetic evidence says the opposite happened. It looks like all neanderthal genes in the human gene pool came from neanderthal males mating with human females.
just let me keep my fantasy of finding a 198 cm neanderthal woman with big breasts frozen in ice and making her my high powered executive wife
>198 cm neanderthal woman
Neanderthals were shorter than us
>eurotrash measurments
>domination fetish
Actually I'm Senegalese
>I'm Senegalese
certainly one raised in France or something who developed a trash fetish typical of euros
Seneg on dis nuts
That is an outdated assumption made due to the lack of Neanderthal Mitocondrial lines in modern humans. It has been found more recently that the Neanderthal Chromosome was entirely replaced by Homo sapiens Y chromosomes in every population of Neanderthals recent enough to leave behind intact chromosomal evidence.
Genetic transfer between Neanderthals and modern humans was not a one time or one directional thing, but Homo sapiens outnumbered Neanderthals significantly, which is why their gene lines make up less of our modern ancestry. Bride trading probably happened in both directions, but hybrids were probably leas fertile, just like outcrosses between distantly related human populations are leas fertile even in the modern era.
if she looked like that Eep fanart, obviously
look, I'd have sex with a hole in a wall, I'm not picky. Kids, no thanks
>Body desperately tells you to reproduce
>Lmao no kids
sex urge and wanting to have kids are completely seperate
nuh-uh
>Kids, no thanks
Well, at least you're aware that you're bloodline has been natural select'd.
You don't want kids or you don't want to fuck kids?
Sexo
Although I'm sure it wouldn't be much different than the ugliest shortstack girls I've sexed with.
I would have sex and reproduce with ya mudda.
Fpbp
Also yeah I would, cavemen don't have to pay cave child support.
So yes